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2181  Economy / Speculation / Re: A Much More Fun Downtrend on: July 15, 2013, 11:52:53 PM

This is not surprising, given that USD withdrawals are not permitted at this time. Who would deposit or bid up MtGox USD in the current environment?

wondering: Where you ve got this absolute false information from?
No, it's true. There's been a 0.5BTC bounty for a recent USD withdrawal from gox. Nobody has claimed it yet Cheesy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251895.0;all

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
2182  Economy / Economics / Re: Winkelvoss ETP could become THE pricing mechanism for BTC on: July 15, 2013, 11:52:01 PM
I guess when you have Winklevoss money you can pay a PR firm to come here with some sock puppet accounts and try to promote this bullshit.

Seriously, I hear that you're opposed to it, but as I already posted in the other thread where you described the very idea as "stupid" and negating the whole point of owning Bitcoins in the first place, wouldn't you consider it possible -- likely, even -- that different people might want exposure to Bitcoins for different reasons than yourself?


Yeah, you act like it would be hard for them to buy bitcoins. If they want to buy them, they can just PM me.

I wouldn't recommend posting your pic btw, you look like an asshole.

Yea, go pm some guy on the forums... that's how real business gets done Roll Eyes

I wouldn't recommend opening your mouth btw, you sound like an asshole.
2183  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 15, 2013, 11:16:49 PM
Let's be friends. PM me or something.

You're not as important as you think.  You are just another noisemaker.... just what these forums need Roll Eyes
2184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Liquidity problem on: July 15, 2013, 11:09:31 PM

Still, there is a lot going on in the bitcoin economy besides fiat exchange, and if someone is bothered by the dreamers maybe they should quit hanging out in the forum dedicated to dreaming about the future.

Are you kidding? There is plenty of information on this forum about development of very interesting technologies. We are now in speculation subforum, that is why all  talking is about silly dreams. Smiley


That's my point.  Speculation is dedicated to dreaming, so why come here and complain about dreamers?
2185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 15, 2013, 11:03:17 PM

Then I can't help you.
2186  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 0.25 BTC Bounty - Show me a Mt Gox USD Withdrawal :) on: July 15, 2013, 10:59:42 PM

There is a big difference between the technical requirements of sending funds and the regulatory requirements of sending funds.  Yes the first part is easy, but it is not the hard part.


I agree.

Do you think the KYC measures are what's causing the delay? I'd have guessed that those are mostly front-end requirements (I know when I opened my account I had to submit passport and other verification docs).

Or could it be the record-keeping requirements? My opinion is that record-keeping is electronic and automatic, so probably not the problem.

What about AML reporting requirements? You could argue that it takes time to "establish and implement policies and procedures that can be reasonably expected to detect and cause the reporting of suspicious transactions". But on the flip side, this is a road that many have already traveled down, and a playbook for MSB's is readily available. Here's an example:

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/materials/en/prevention_guide.html


I'm curious to know your opinion as to which parts of the regulatory requirements would cause such an extraordinary delay?

They just switched banks because their old bank was not comfortable with the levels of traffic.  Banks move slowly, especially when dealing with companies that have had regulatory actions against them (USG seized MtGox's Dwolla linked account).  The new bank will not allow them to ramp up their volume until they are absolutely sure all the t's are crossed and all the i's are dotted.

Yes, that does make sense. I'm left wondering why they wouldn't just state that instead of saying they have a backlog and are working to clear it. Anecdotally, it doesn't appear that they are working the queue at all. Has anyone seen a single confirmed withdrawal? Even from outside the bitcointalk.org community?

Time will tell I suppose.

They did:
https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130620.html
https://mtgox.com/press_release_20130704.html

Specifically:
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Over the past weeks Mt. Gox has experienced rising volumes of deposits and withdrawals from established and upcoming markets interested in Bitcoin. This increased volume has made it difficult for our bank to process the transactions smoothly and within a timely manner, which has created unnecessary delays for our global customers. This is especially so for those in the United States who are requesting wire transfer withdrawals from their accounts.

and:
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Mt. Gox has now formed relationships with several new banking partners both in Japan and around the world, and we are still in the process of finalizing even more. This means that we will have increased stability and ability to transmit withdrawals going forward.


But why would people look for information on mtgox.com's front page when it is easier to spread rumors on this forum?
2187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 15, 2013, 10:56:24 PM
For me too, thanks.

Please explain. Truth hurts or what? I am puzzled  Smiley

I think he's asking for drugs.

Care to explain?

It looks pretty self explanatory to me:

LOL, you should pass some of that shit you are smoking Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

+420

For me too, thanks.
2188  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hubs for Block Erupter USB AsicMiner on: July 15, 2013, 10:54:09 PM
The two things you really want to know:

Is it limited to 5A out or does it add an extra .5A it takes from the downstream? If not, 10 erupters will be dicey.

Is it monolithic or chained? If it's chained, many of the ports won't work on an rPi.


If it is USB 3.0, the 5A will likely be @ 12 V, so it will have plenty of watts for the 10 erupters.  10 port Anker hubs use 4A@12V and run 10 erupters fine.
2189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 15, 2013, 10:51:48 PM
For me too, thanks.

Please explain. Truth hurts or what? I am puzzled  Smiley

I think he's asking for drugs.
2190  Economy / Economics / Re: Winkelvoss ETP could become THE pricing mechanism for BTC on: July 15, 2013, 10:48:51 PM
@NewLiberty

I believe in such a scenario, the ETF would cease to be THE pricing mechanism.  People will buy on the spot market as they become undervalued, decoupling the ETF rate from the "physical" rate.  Unlike gold or any other asset, the barrier to actually move the bitcoins is relatively small.
2191  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why is there no massive directory of everything for sale on the internet? on: July 15, 2013, 10:28:11 PM
Why is there no "mother of all websites" for retailed goods?  It seems like it would be a fairly simple thing to do.  Retailers batch-submit the goods they have for sale to a given website.  The website tracks price, qty in stock, what the item is, and useful specifications, matching up items as appropriate via UPC barcodes or whatever other unique identifiers they might have.

I suppose what I am picturing is sort of like Google Shopping, but with categorized items (enabling browsing by category) that are retailer-pushed rather than bot-scraped.  Sort of like the eBay of retailing.  eBay + Google Shopping, then, but without multiple listings per item.  Amazon sort of has the right idea, but everything goes through them, so if a vendor isn't set up to sell through Amazon, you don't see their goods.

As a consumer, I would love to have such a website with comprehensive, up-to-date information on who to buy from and what the best prices are.  Why hasn't a project like this been undertaken?

How will you motivate the retailers to push their data?  Sure, you could argue it would bring them traffic, but that only applies to the retailer with the best price.
2192  Economy / Speculation / Re: Liquidity problem on: July 15, 2013, 10:06:32 PM

Bitcoin has uses besides trading Roll Eyes

Yes, I know. But this is more in theory than in practise.

So you admit your theory doesn't apply here in reality?

My theory?? Bitcoin business on every corner in the world is not my theory. I do not see any businesses around me. But I see a lot of dreamers who think that they can live just selling forever rising in price bitcoins.



I too see a lot of dreamers who think everyone will be paying for their Amazon goodies in Bitcoin. Which is most likely a misapplication without some sort of intermediary layer.

Rather, Bitcoin will more likely evolve into a sort of SWIFT system for cryptos. Yeah, there will be those with some bitchange swapping it for e-books and VPN serivce, but that will essentially be a backwater of the crypto economy. 

I also see this as a likely future, and it fits with my statement that Bitcoin has other uses besides exchanging for fiat.  Still, there is a lot going on in the bitcoin economy besides fiat exchange, and if someone is bothered by the dreamers maybe they should quit hanging out in the forum dedicated to dreaming about the future.
2193  Economy / Speculation / Re: A Much More Fun Downtrend on: July 15, 2013, 10:02:13 PM

This is not surprising, given that USD withdrawals are not permitted at this time. Who would deposit or bid up MtGox USD in the current environment?

Withdrawals are permitted.  They are just delayed due to the outage and the resulting queue.  It may take a while for them to get caught up.
2194  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: 0.25 BTC Bounty - Show me a Mt Gox USD Withdrawal :) on: July 15, 2013, 09:46:10 PM

There is a big difference between the technical requirements of sending funds and the regulatory requirements of sending funds.  Yes the first part is easy, but it is not the hard part.


I agree.

Do you think the KYC measures are what's causing the delay? I'd have guessed that those are mostly front-end requirements (I know when I opened my account I had to submit passport and other verification docs).

Or could it be the record-keeping requirements? My opinion is that record-keeping is electronic and automatic, so probably not the problem.

What about AML reporting requirements? You could argue that it takes time to "establish and implement policies and procedures that can be reasonably expected to detect and cause the reporting of suspicious transactions". But on the flip side, this is a road that many have already traveled down, and a playbook for MSB's is readily available. Here's an example:

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/materials/en/prevention_guide.html


I'm curious to know your opinion as to which parts of the regulatory requirements would cause such an extraordinary delay?

They just switched banks because their old bank was not comfortable with the levels of traffic.  Banks move slowly, especially when dealing with companies that have had regulatory actions against them (USG seized MtGox's Dwolla linked account).  The new bank will not allow them to ramp up their volume until they are absolutely sure all the t's are crossed and all the i's are dotted.
2195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Liquidity problem on: July 15, 2013, 08:53:52 PM

Bitcoin has uses besides trading Roll Eyes

Yes, I know. But this is more in theory than in practise.

So you admit your theory doesn't apply here in reality?

My theory?? Bitcoin business on every corner in the world is not my theory. I do not see any businesses around me. But I see a lot of dreamers who think that they can live just selling forever rising in price bitcoins.



I misunderstood you, so you misunderstood me.  I now see you are saying the uses are more theoretical than practical.  Now that you have made yourself clear all I can say is this: Maybe you spend too much time on the speculation subforum.
2196  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: July 15, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Oh really?  Because anytime I have EVER heard of Bitcoin being presented to newcomers is "low transactions fees!", "virtually nothing compared to paypal", etc, etc..

When I was introduced to bitcoin, the pitch didn't even mention fees.  When I pitch bitcoin, I only talk about fees when asked.

That's you.  You think of the transaction fees go way up Bitcoin is going to still be as attractive?  You've lost your mind.  Transaction fees play a HUGE role.

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Anyway, it seems you are claiming that Bitcoin has no value other than lower fees and will die without them.  Can you explain why decentralized control, potential privacy, and censorship resistance are not worth anything?


Okay now you're just talking nonsense.  I never said those other points are not worth anything.


You said it would die with higher fees.  In my opinion, those other features make bitcoin transactions worth MORE than fiat transactions.


Right, because the miners are more important than the people actually using the currency.   Roll Eyes

Which orifice did you pull that from?  I certainly didn't say it.

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Come on, man.  You know as well as I do that that's not true.. nobody is going to want to use Bitcoin as a currency if they pay the same fees as banking, and ESPECIALLY if those fees are the same or more than Paypal. 

Except in the 30+ countries in the world that PayPal isn't allowed to service because of the overreach of the US Gov.
2197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Liquidity problem on: July 15, 2013, 08:45:31 PM

Bitcoin has uses besides trading Roll Eyes

Yes, I know. But this is more in theory than in practise.

So you admit your theory doesn't apply here in reality?
2198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Liquidity problem on: July 15, 2013, 08:36:37 PM

Its probably not going to reach 1T market cap in 3 years. However do you really think that every single person in the developed world invests aprx. $414 into XOM? Of course not. Don't even get me started on gold. Let me explain to you how things work. Rather than every single person investing $1k, a few rich guys invest 1000 times what the 'average' person would have to. Then, if you're lucky, they'll use use that 1000 times investment they just made as collateral to borrow money to invest another 1000 times more than what the 'average' person would have to. Then there's the whole idea that the market cap is partially 'missing' because it is being held by either wallets with either an unknown private key, or people that aren't spending/selling bitcoins at any given time.

It does not matter if few rich guys invest a lot or many poor guys invest little. It is true that many bitcoins were not in circulation since they were mined. But this does not change anything. If you bought btc last year and sold today at 10x price, this is just because guys who lost their opportunity last year give you their money. They do this because they think that next year some fools will give them 10x more. And this is not going to continue for long. The amount of fools who are ready to bring money into system saturates quickly.


Bitcoin has uses besides trading Roll Eyes
2199  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: July 15, 2013, 08:34:31 PM
Oh really?  Because anytime I have EVER heard of Bitcoin being presented to newcomers is "low transactions fees!", "virtually nothing compared to paypal", etc, etc..

When I was introduced to bitcoin, the pitch didn't even mention fees.  When I pitch bitcoin, I only talk about fees when asked.

That's you.  You think of the transaction fees go way up Bitcoin is going to still be as attractive?  You've lost your mind.  Transaction fees play a HUGE role.

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Anyway, it seems you are claiming that Bitcoin has no value other than lower fees and will die without them.  Can you explain why decentralized control, potential privacy, and censorship resistance are not worth anything?


Okay now you're just talking nonsense.  I never said those other points are not worth anything.

You said it would die with higher fees.  In my opinion, those other features make bitcoin transactions worth MORE than fiat transactions.
2200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: July 15, 2013, 08:33:06 PM
I just wish it would slip down to 90 for me to rebuy and never care about btc/usd again. I didn't care for longtime and did quite well, then I visited this crap of a thread  Grin

You and everyone else who sold when everyone was high on bear farts a week ago.
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