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1281  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bear Market is officially...off? on: November 08, 2013, 10:45:00 PM
Welp, looks like I was wrong about how low we'd get.  I certainly didn't expect it to bubble up again this soon.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.



Indeed.  Bears are cowering.  Where are all the coins?
1282  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 08, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
So you want a bullish wavecount?

I present the most bullish count i find plausable:



What has always bothered me is that the rise from 0.x -> 32 was so much more profound than the rise from 32 to 266. I don't think they are on the same degree. In log space the 266 peak doesn't even reach up to the long term trend line extended from the 32 peak. That is not normal.

So i created a wave count which makes the 266 peak a subdivision on the road to 3.

This means we are on the 3rd gear (like masterluc suggests), but on a lower degree.

If this is actually the case, the upside and rise from here will be _enormous_.

Is there any evidence to back this up?

This is the orderbook for mt gox at the moment:


There are 20 million dollars in bids. There are ~8000 coins for sale. Wow. Never in the history of bitcoin have there been so many dollars chasing so few coins. Never before have there been such a huge discrepancy between buyers and sellers. The price went from 32 to 266 when there was a comparable amount of dollars chasing 150.000-200.000 coins. The current situation is much more profound. This is the case for all other traded currencies as well. There are extremely few coins for sale at these prices.

Dividing the bids on the asks (20.000.000 / 8000) would give an average price of 2500 per coin. That is more in the correct range comparable to the 0.x -> 32 rise. (I know this is a simplification, but it is just a thought exercise)

Does this fit with the current mood / sentiment?
Its always difficult to gauge but to me it "feels" like everybody is just waiting for the bubble to pop. The media is in frenzy that its a bubble, its almost given that this will end badly very shorty. Every analyst i see in MSM say its a bubble. (remember, this is just my impression, i might be wrong). When everybody say its a bubble, its not. The point you should be very afraid of is when nobody say its a bubble - that is the point where it is actually a bubble. Also (again this is my personal impression) bitcoiners are worried that it is a bubble right now. There is a polite avoidance of the subject, because its a uncomfortable subject to say the least. Talks about bubble is met with aggression. Prices rise on a wall of worry. To sum up i don't see the all engulfing euphoria you would expect at a peak yet, the mood is much more reserved and calm.

Little bit tipsy here from my cough medicine, but i would say this looks very positive for bitcoin in the short term. Would be surprised to see a "devestating" pullback now (lets hope i didn't just jinx it Smiley


Interesting.  My current favorit count is slightly less bullish in that 266 was the complete wave 3 and we are on the verge of completing wave 3 of 5.  Your count is clearly much more bullsih in the long term, but either way buy the fuck out of any sizable correction in the short term.
1283  Economy / Speculation / Re: Too late to buy? on: November 08, 2013, 10:12:56 PM
When you trade, on any exchange, you trade virtual fiat and virtual coins.
With virtual fiat you can buy the lows, and then sell on highs, with virtual coins you can't.

But with coins you can sell on highs, then buy the lows.  With fiat you can't.
1284  Economy / Speculation / Re: inputs.io hack effect on: November 08, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
I was expecting a price fall immediately after the news, instead its still going up even after the news. Is this because Chinese are too smart to use online wallets ?

What is inputs.io and why should I care?
1285  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: November 08, 2013, 06:39:58 AM
Anything planned for quintuple digits? (+10,000%)

a party?

actually, i should have one once we hit gold parity. Wink

The Parity Party.  has a ring to it.


Parity Party. I like it. +1.

made a poll "when parity" early this year. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137014.0

Damn, I was feeling bearish in January.

me too, I settled on 4-6 years back then


7-10 here
1286  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: November 08, 2013, 06:36:33 AM
Anything planned for quintuple digits? (+10,000%)

a party?

actually, i should have one once we hit gold parity. Wink

The Parity Party.  has a ring to it.


Parity Party. I like it. +1.

made a poll "when parity" early this year. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137014.0

Damn, I was feeling bearish in January.
1287  Economy / Speculation / Re: ALL HAIL LORD WICK! on: November 08, 2013, 05:51:07 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_star_(candlestick_pattern)
1288  Economy / Speculation / Re: All time high on Gox! Achieved on: November 08, 2013, 05:49:49 AM
$325.11. Sweet.

So, are there any bears left? When the last bear turns bull - that's the time to run, am I wrong? LOL

Although that said, I'm a long term bull... even short term I am pretty bullish. This "bubble" feels a bit different IMO.

Even the leveraged USD on bitfinex has gone down.  Leveraged bulls have sold about half a million $ worth of coins in the past day still there aren't enough BTC to go around.
1289  Economy / Speculation / Re: So who sold < $230? on: November 08, 2013, 03:48:09 AM
And I sold a lot at $40.

~.~

I will never forgive myself.

I hold over a hundred at $3.  That shit was triple what it was just a few weeks before Tongue.
1290  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How big is bitfinex? on: November 07, 2013, 06:51:22 AM
was bitcoinica peer to peer lending?

Sort of.... they used customer funds to do the lending and gave you a small amount of interest on any balance that wasn't used for margin.  But they didn't have a lending order book like bitfinex.  Rates were set by an algorithm.
1291  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2013, 06:43:33 AM
At what point do the gox fiat holders freak out at the diminishing bitcoin orderbook and just panic buy to get out? Time to put some gas on this fire.
Bitstamp is even worse in terms of BTC available for purchase.

If the increasing prices don't lure some more coins onto the orderbook soon it's going to get very interesting.

Don't worry, BTCs will come in, miners have to pay their bills after all.

That's only a trickle compared to average daily volume.

Gox is down to 15k BTC for sale.
1292  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2013, 06:40:06 AM
So, probably a stupid question to ask to all the bulls, but do you think there's a chance we see 300 today? Should I rebuy back at a loss?

Can you find a time (excluding the current run up which is still playing out) when we passed a previous all time high and didn't at least double?
1293  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2013, 06:36:00 AM
I'm starting to freak out a little bit... Take a look at the asks in all markets, a few K's until 300, then NOTHING.
This means that if we break 300 and NO new BIG whales appear there is no support at the top, we could repeat what happened in april, more than doubling in one day (from 300) and then...

$1.6 million to $300/BTC on gox
$0.8 million to $300/BTC on stamp
1294  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2013, 05:37:25 AM
party like it's page 1999!
1295  Economy / Speculation / Re: 20 articles on 'Bitcoin is broken', researchers warn' doesn;t move price? why? on: November 07, 2013, 02:46:07 AM
If you're anything like me, you read the article, read core dev's response, read the coding community's response, read the non-coding community's response to the coding community's response, looked at the market's response, determined that the authors of the paper were pretty much full of shit, and went on about your merry business.

yup
1296  Economy / Speculation / Re: The all new indicator: Correction/Run-up Radial Angle Predictor [CRRAP] on: November 07, 2013, 01:49:56 AM
You sum it up nicely with that last sentence, but to play along, this is an intriguing method.  I have a feeling that time will prove the gradient line needs to be a curve of some sort.  Of what type, we can't really guess until we have more than 2 data points.  But, I suppose we could speculate.
1297  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 06, 2013, 09:54:35 PM
Woot, gox, stamp parity.

Finally!

This means the market perception of Gox's failure likelihood has now reduced from 5-10% down to 0%, right?  Grin

No it means, Gox and stamp have an equal likelihood to fail.
1298  Economy / Speculation / Re: Did this forum turn uberbullish? on: November 06, 2013, 03:58:24 AM
Forum has always been full of turbobulls.

They just got quiet for a while.

We had to let the bears throw their tantrums so they could get it out of their systems.... and so we could have cheap bitcoins.
1299  Economy / Speculation / Re: Inflection point: Bitcoin Comes Under Senate Scrutiny (USA) on: November 06, 2013, 03:31:30 AM
Seems like paypal and western union dying already and they want to buy the senators to aid their greed with legislation.
I'd give my left nut for the end of paypal.
Hrm.

Their business practices kind of suck, but... well, they're the only way some people have to receive cash long-distance. I have art friends who get their grocery money from commissions, and they get paid by PayPal because it's easy for them to turn into cash in a shop. My brother doesn't have a bank account, so when he needs some dough fast to meet the rent, Western Union's really the only shop in town. These are not technical people. Sure, I could browbeat them to download Bitcoin and send them some sweet BTCs, but how are they going to quickly and painlessly turn that around into money they can use in their day-to-day purchases? That's still the missing bit. And it's because PayPal and WU have built an answer that they can get away with all the other balderdash.

I'm seriously looking forward to the day that you can walk into any given check-casher and get the local national currency for your bitcoins. It'll be a whole new world.

I can't wait until a money transmitter licensed in the US sets up a bitcoin ATM network.  I would start in my state if I could afford the $300k surety bond, but I would need bitcoin to be way higher first.
1300  Economy / Speculation / Re: Videoblog & Technical Analysis for Bitcoin on: November 06, 2013, 03:16:11 AM
You seem to of missed this one sucks because for some reason I traded off what you were saying this time instead of my plan. Amateur mistake cost big.

Always stick to the plan.
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