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221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 29, 2016, 01:02:25 AM
Hi Bitpop! Long time!

Guys you need a marketing re-brand. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Eithereum classic". You guys arent "Ethereum classic". You are just Ethereum. They are the ones who hard forked. NOT YOU. Please stop calling yourself Ethereum classic and instead refer to this project as just Ethereum.

There is a problem with this you say? How will people know which Ethereum you are talking about. Simple. The guys on the fork should hence forth be referred to as "Neo-Ethereum".

Please. Spread the word. The guys who are actually Ethereum, real Ethereum, shouldn't be referring to themselves as "Ethereum classic". Do not let your opposition control language especially when you guys have the intellectual and moral high ground.

No body is in charge of ethereum classic, we have no leader.  We are all supporters.  The devs are employed by the ethereum classic supporters.  
If you think ethereum classic needs a marketing re-brand you will have to join, fundraise and create a campaign and try get people to come on board with your idea,  there is no pleading to some higher entity here, we just don't have one.  

We have decentralized governance model.  If you want to bring about change in this coin, feel fee, join our slack and make a go of it.  You will be made welcome.  However: no one has control, even some of our Devs are anonymous,  they code and get paid in crypto.  
We could have anyone working for us, Eth Devs?  Dao hacker?  Satoshi himself?  We will never know!  Do we need to know if the code is checked and rechecked by different people?  So in someways we are like Bitcoin  Wink

The supporters own the coin.  Talk to them about re-brand
222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 11:41:07 PM
Did thief get the 3.2 ETC ?

did he move the money ?

Your 2 days early  Wink
223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 01:37:50 PM
The switch to PoS is due to the fact that PoW is unsustainable - those miners who have made massive investment in GPUs to-date are experiencing rapid diminishing returns with these DAG sizes - 'they may' swtich to ETC just to get a little more life out of their rigs, but there is no sense in them continuing to load up on hardware for ETH. ETC, if it has a future (which I doubt - it should not), will face the same need.

Those serious folks who wish to use the technology are not going to go with a bunch of opportunistic malcontents, they will follow those that created the tech in the first place. There is very little chance that ETC will overtake ETH in its current state/price/etc, and def not in the future, as the most capable developers will be working on ETH, and it will be there where the real advancements are made.

ETC is a short-term novelty that some have made a decent profit pumping and trading, but its end is nigh.

This is true as you cannot make money mining eth with a network of 5TH/s on the current PoW GPU algo unless the price rises.
This is to push people into PoS.  It is diffucult to scale up and is now as big as it can get.

PoS however allows you to scale further but is less secure because of the smaller number of validators and makes the system more centeralised.

The more i see the more i think a hybrid is the only way forward, moreover PoW is leading to some of the new breakthrough algos like PoC which gets past some of the energy and scaling problems of pure PoW.  Just imagine if any peice of kit with memory could mine, phones, ipad, laptop, desktop, server.  PoC can also be used as cloud storage space for smart phone dapps.
Everyone in the world could mine and stake a percentage of their coin and not just people who live in developed countries and have access to banking.

Yes the people who started it know best, thats why we like Charles, he is a good supporter Wink

Moreover:  Anyone can join Etc and develop.   Maybe some of Eth devs are Etc dev already as some of our devs are anonymous.  Maybe we have the Dao hacker, maybe we have Satoshi.  We will never know.  Devs are employed and paid by Etc Community and Ect Community is all of us that hold, mine or run nodes.   Wink
224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 12:46:27 PM

"LeChuckDE”  has now opened his pool to the public. Smiley etc.coinpool.biz  

LeChuckDE is a very important miner to Ethereum Classic.  
He was with us back at the start when we were only 350MH/s.
User “seanz123” had just launched his “51% attack on Ethereum Classic” form the https://forum.ethereum.org forum.
LeChuckDE, myself and a few others tried to reason with the attackers and when that failed, we spread the word and got support.
Shortly after that, the "attack pool" had an attack of its own and was ddos so hard, miners left in droves.  
(I wonder who wiped them out?)   Wink

Anyhow his pool has quality ddos protection, IDS System and Banning-System

Dual-Server HA Enviroment Failover-Standby

each Server Hardware Stats:
2 x Intel XEON @ 4 GH/z, 8 Cores, 16 Cores total
32 GB Ram ECC
256 GB Raid 1 SSD
2 TB SAS Raid 5 15K HDD
2 x GBit Ethernet Connection to Internet (Failover-Teaming)
1 x 10 GBit Fiberchannel for Datasync between Clusternodes

Pool was founded since the start and has found 115 Blocks
has 3 Stratum-nodes for ranges 1 - 99, 100 - 350 and 351 - 4500 MH/s, last both are Nicehash-Compatible

"LeChuckDE” deserves our support, His pool is here  etc.coinpool.biz  

Ethereum Classic owes a great deal to this miner and it is good to have him on board.
Please support his pool!

225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 12:45:11 PM
Chart looks good for etc, maybe in two days this will start react

I do hope so.... soon!

@ShooterXD Your english is getting better now you support etc.  I am happy when people are learning  Smiley
226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 12:44:13 PM
I just got a message from "ocminer" who runs  https://etc.suprnova.cc/

"I am on vacation but of course the etc pool is running fine, still has all sorts of ddos protection and I get notified by sms  and mail as soon as any problems arise."

So all good with suprnova  Smiley  Enjoy your rest "ocminer", you deserve it!

227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 10:48:29 AM
Ξpool

http://epool.io
50% Fees donated to ETC Development Fund


Thank You for your support.
228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 28, 2016, 10:32:45 AM
Maybe you should have stayed in XMR  Wink

But you can only make on XMR if it gets pumped and you have cash to invest.

It can be mined (CryptoNight) but it is the 24th in the list of most profitable coin to mine. https://www.whattomine.com/
so no good to miners.

Also, Feathercoin and GroestlCoin are far more profitable by far.  Poloniex does not list Feathercoin and is about to delist GroestlCoin.

I think Poloniex plan to survive on hype / FUD and gambling, while the PoW coins will be traded for their true value on https://bittrex.com/

So not such a bad thing if Polo delist ETC in my eyes.

https://poloniex.com/ = casino economy

https://bittrex.com/ = free market economy

Also:

PoW = scientifically proven (ecologically / empirically verified )

PoS = Experimental

If a coin price is not backed by mining, it's price is staked only by it's investors
so it ends up a bet between the long term investor and the short term one.
Polo makes it's money on the volatility of coins so the shortterm investor love them.
Here's the down side, like all casinos, the house always wins.
229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 07:30:03 PM
"New" kind of 51% attack that might explain some of the ddos stuff we have seen really heavy this week.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/krypton-recovers-from-new-type-51-network-attack-stephanie-kent?published=t

http://bitcoinist.net/attack-krypton-dry-run-ethereum/
230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: August 27, 2016, 07:12:25 PM
I mean....I know that the difficulty going up means more ppl are mining, means better decentralization, etc.  But FUCK! Mining profits keep getting smaller and smaller!  Angry Cry

It just mean the mining will be concentrated into cheap electricity places like China. It happened to the btc mining.

No, I doubt that's the main cause.  POS is coming soon, at least, too soon to invest a giant mining operation into Eth.  More likely, it's a combination of difficulty bomb (by design), and more rigs being brought online/switched to Eth mining.
Difficulty bomb won't affect difficulty for at least 5 months.

Interesting.

From what I've read on other Threads - most of the difficulty rise comes from new mining hardware, improvements in GPU mining techniques and new people coming into crypto-mining because of ETH.

Someone could research and post figures on wallet-qt growth rate over the last 4 weeks!

If  ETC FAIL, the miners on classic may want to hash on the ETH chain to make some coin.  This means ETH Network hashrate could suddenly rise by 13%  also increasing ETH difficulty by about the same. And vice-versa!

At moment: some threads are awash with people asking questions about how to set up 480's and 470's for mining Ethereum!

Some people are saying that 480's are sold out in there countries.

Everyone wants a machine that prints money.  The problem for miners is that the more popular mining becomes, the less profitable it is to mine.  It's a bit like oil or gold or coal.  No one has solved this problem yet.  

Oil is too cheap for miners but too expensive for consumers.

It is too costly to set up an oil drilling operation but very cheap to start crypto mining  Wink
231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: August 27, 2016, 06:46:18 PM
I mean....I know that the difficulty going up means more ppl are mining, means better decentralization, etc.  But FUCK! Mining profits keep getting smaller and smaller!  Angry Cry

It just mean the mining will be concentrated into cheap electricity places like China. It happened to the btc mining.

No, I doubt that's the main cause.  POS is coming soon, at least, too soon to invest a giant mining operation into Eth.  More likely, it's a combination of difficulty bomb (by design), and more rigs being brought online/switched to Eth mining.
Difficulty bomb won't affect difficulty for at least 5 months.

Interesting.

From what I've read on other Threads - most of the difficulty rise comes from new mining hardware, improvements in GPU mining techniques and new people coming into crypto-mining because of ETH.

Someone could research and post figures on wallet-qt growth rate over the last 4 weeks!

If  ETC FAIL, the miners on classic may want to hash on the ETH chain to make some coin.  This means ETH Network hashrate could suddenly rise by 13%  also increasing ETH difficulty by about the same. And vice-versa!

Therefore it is more profitable for the two chains to compete
232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 05:58:14 PM
in the other thread they say the diff bomb is a gosip and not a fact.

does anyone know where to find it in the code ?
and if there is a link or
was it a joke by the ethereum foundation ?

or are the ETH people now misleading concerned ETH  miners ?


Remove lines 305-309
https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/blob/master/core/block_validator.go#L303


See post by @whatisgravity
https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/issues/11

EF put it there to make mining unprofitable by Christmas and force/incentivise miners to stop hashing and go to Proof of Stake

233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 05:47:41 PM
I think the similarities on the 51% attack conversation and what has just happened may be a dry run.  

Yes i do.  Looking at the  krypton attack
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/krypton-recovers-from-new-type-51-network-attack-stephanie-kent?published=t

It has the same M.O. as the 51% attack on Classic developed by @work and @seanz123.  
https://news.bitcoin.com/ethereum-attack-classic/
(I know of these people as i used to post regularly on https://forum.ethereum.org)  
It is not beyond their coding capability if they are working together.
"@seanz123" is in Ukraine and has access to servers and knows how to build pools.
"@work" is in the US and can code well enough to understand how this can be achieved.

This was the code used on the 51% attack on Classic https://github.com/blckeagls/go-ethereum

I think krypton was a practice run.

These two people have form.  They have plotted before.  The original post has been taken down.
https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/8759/51-etc-attack-pool-mining-eth-until-hashrate-exceeds-etcs
However, the video below and the above news.bitcoin.com article show most of it.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIF8c81fJ4&feature=youtu.be  (from 11 min)

This is very interesting, I wonder if we have anyone in Venezuela?  This might be an opportunity for ETC.  On another note, do we have anyone in Venezuela?  This might be an opportunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83UqYwwhnDY start at 10:15 for the news story

Yes i have been following Venezuela for a long tome now.  My heart goes out to them but they need a working monetary system with a stable price NOW!  They cannot wait until early October.  Also, we would be testing our tech on their survival, Which is unethical in my view.   We don't have phone wallets tested yet and that is the tool they really need. Moreover, we need to stay focused on securing the ETC network, Now!  
234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 11:03:51 AM
"New" kind of 51% attack that might explain some of the ddos stuff we have seen really heavy this week.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/krypton-recovers-from-new-type-51-network-attack-stephanie-kent?published=t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnIF8c81fJ4&feature=youtu.be


Notice the method used!  go from about 11min

https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/8759/51-etc-attack-pool-mining-eth-until-hashrate-exceeds-etcs  has been removed
235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 07:33:23 AM
So where are these donations going? Nobody has asked the important questions around here...starting to look shady as hell, wtf?

Good question!  Join our slack team tylerderden, if only to oversee the spending of our donations?  https://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com  
PM me if you have probs joining!

Plenty room for more.   Wink   I'm sure you have valid opinions we want to hear tylerderden.  Wink

DEV CHAT!

Feedback for your perusal  http://cointunnel.com/fetch/discussion-group.pdf

the above download is a transcript of a Dev discussion group on our progress.  I will post more as I get them.
Well done for your selfless service to the community

Yes thank you

Last Shout-out,  

Quote:

Follow the progress of the 12 person Dev Team & The Bomb Disposal Squad here: https://trello.com/etcdev
DEVCHAT Download http://cointunnel.com/fetch/discussion-group.pdf
We have 100+ volunteer coders https://github.com/ethereumproject/volunteer/tree/master/Key    
994 on slack https://ethereumclassic.slack.com/messages/development/
And World support from many miners like Chandler Guo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgz7k5iTGkI
Keiser Report on RT tv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpmctYSF1-w&feature=youtu.be&t=1071

end quote

One more just joined. so now 995.  Can tylerderden and any others of our supporters help make it 1000?



Also: Another big thank you to ΞPool http://www.epool.io for their 1000ETC Donation
  
https://etcchain.com/tx/0xc6f73f14c1621f6bf26464cc12bb407f17b12405afc10616ca8c2339dfad4eed

DEVCHAT Download http://cointunnel.com/fetch/discussion-group.pdf
This shows the community where the coins are being spent.

So... it looks like Phone Wallets could be here quicker than we think.  But we spend the time to make and test them well.  No rushing them to market.
236  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 05:22:30 AM
So where are these donations going? Nobody has asked the important questions around here...starting to look shady as hell, wtf?

Good question!  Join our slack team tylerderden, if only to oversee the spending of our donations?  https://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com  
PM me if you have probs joining!

Plenty room for more.   Wink   I'm sure you have valid opinions we want to hear tylerderden.  Wink

DEV CHAT!

Feedback for your perusal  http://cointunnel.com/fetch/discussion-group.pdf

the above download is a transcript of a Dev discussion group on our progress.  I will post more as I get them.
237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 04:49:17 AM

ETC DAO White Hat widthdraw contract nearly complete at MyEtherWallet

https://twitter.com/myetherwallet/status/769379827577032704

WTF is going on?

238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 04:24:58 AM

Proof of Light?  (PoL)

Blockchain grid to let neighbours trade solar power in Australia

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2101667-blockchain-grid-to-let-neighbours-trade-solar-power-in-australia/
239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 03:53:49 AM
"New" kind of 51% attack that might explain some of the ddos stuff we have seen really heavy this week.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/krypton-recovers-from-new-type-51-network-attack-stephanie-kent?published=t

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/krypton-recovers-from-new-type-51-network-attack-stephanie-kent?published=t

Quote  

"The attackers managed to steal around 21,465 KR from Bittrex by double spending on the network. The attackers did this by sending KR to Bittrex, sold them for bitcoin and then rolled back the blockchain to reverse the transaction. Supernova mining pool and Krypton stats servers were also DDoS attacked to give the malicious miners an edge over the network.

The miners rented extra hashing power from Nicehash and used 4miners pool to conduct the attack. KR deposits and withdrawals are frozen on Bittrex and Yobit, pending confirmation that all work arounds have been successfully implemented.

LOW HASHING ETHEREUM BASED COINS AT RISK

This attack may be a “dry run” intended as proof of concept before targeting other Ethereum based blockchains. Shift, another Ethereum type coin, was also targeted by a similar 51% attack last week.

Ethereum based blockchains are being targeted predominantly because they’re easy to fork and manipulate offline, while being used in conjunction with DDoS attacks.

It is suspected that the attackers may be using these lower cap coins as a testnet before targeting Ethereum Classic. This attack may be more difficult to scale up because of ETC’s larger aggregated hashing power.
"

end quote!

Also, we have a good 1/3 of our hashrate as Solo miners.  However we still need to support our pools



Note to new miners!  

Look here when choosing a pool http://etherx.com/pools/ and give some thought to decentralisation

This is why i get apprehensive of new pools that approach me asking to go on the regular shout out!
240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts on: August 27, 2016, 03:42:34 AM
So where are these donations going? Nobody has asked the important questions around here...starting to look shady as hell, wtf?

Good question!  Join our slack team tylerderden, if only to oversee the spending of our donations?  https://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com  
PM me if you have probs joining!

Plenty room for more.   Wink   I'm sure you have valid opinions we want to hear tylerderden.  Wink
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