The methods by which the (fairly paltry) numbers for covid-19 mortality are coming into focus already, but here is a pretty good condensation and also somewhat fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJIkgF1ENCo |
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Here's a half-way intelligent conversation with yet another scientist who makes the point that I've been trying to make. Anyone (including Fauci) who says anything substantive about so-called 'covid-19' is pulling your leg because pretty much the most basic number is almost completely missing. That would be the denominator in the mortality equation: deaths/infections=mortality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0We can go back and forth on whether a person with stage four heavily metastasized cancer who had a maybe a trace of SARS-cov-2 rna in his body was a 'covid-19 fatality' or not, but it's pretty unimportant at the kinds of ratios we're probably looking at once we get the overall infection rate. That a usable infection rate number remain AWOL in the beginning of the 2nd quarter speaks volumes about what is really going on here. At least it does to me. |
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... The highly esteemed doctors and scientists that are increasingly vocal calling bull on the pandemic....I'm just asking if you know their names. I'm honestly not interested in what any media outlet has to say about the situation. I look for the the most reputable scientists and doctors that have dedicated at least a few decades to infectious diseases and listen to them. Someone produced a legible write-up on some of these doctors and scientists. Enjoy: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/ |
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The daily graphs of the 8 countries worst hit by Covid-19 as of today ordered by total number of confirmed cases. The fact that the y-axis scale (number of new infections) hasn't required changing on over half of the graphs is heartening. We've got this.
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Somehow I doubt that everyone shares your feeling on that. Fear not, douche-bags, you can probably string out your '2nd wave' fearmongering for just about as long as the Q-tards have all those 'sealed indictments.' I have no doubt about everyone sharing my feelings but I don't understand your second sentence. My grasp of the English language is not as good as I thought. The millions of deaths that some 'models' have shown and that some (most) people have confidently predicted are desirable in order to assist some social engineering goals. The people who look forward to achieving these goals are going to be disappointed when this thing acts like any old run-of-the-mill coronavirus in terms of it's effects on the population. Thus, these people with be not heartened in the slightest at your graphs. As a defensive strategy against what your charts are showing, these people (douche-bags) have been for a while trying to fortify two positions: - The low deaths are because the lockdowns have worked. (One of the problems here is that in places where lockdowns were limited or non-existant (Sweden, Japan, etc) the problems have been if anything less severe. The laughable explanation floated for Sweden is that Swedes 'social distance' by nature.) - There will be a '2nd wave'. (This is needed to justify forced vaccination and ID tagging for all people on the planet. One of the goals of this thing.) The Trump dead-enders have been strung along by a psy-op group known as Q for YEARS under the hope that Trump is playing '4-D Chess', and is going to round up the 'deep state' and has a bunch of 'sealed indictments' with which he is going to do this. It's pitiful and embarrassing. My joke is that these covid-19 fraudsters could probably pull the same trick. |
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The daily graphs of the 8 countries worst hit by Covid-19 as of today ordered by total number of confirmed cases. The fact that the y-axis scale (number of new infections) hasn't required changing on over half of the graphs is heartening. We've got this.
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Somehow I doubt that everyone shares your feeling on that. Fear not, douche-bags, you can probably string out your '2nd wave' fearmongering for just about as long as the Q-tards have all those 'sealed indictments.' |
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Get into checking WHO out. Not all their members agree that Coronavirus should be called a pandemic. There is a lot of evidence that CV is mostly fear and hype.
Really? Someone still thinks it's just hype and fake news? You guys should take it seriously... I wonder what they think that it takes to call an outbreak as pandemic. We have faced 50.000 deaths worldwide in such a short period of time and we are still counting. We are more than a quarter of the way through 2020. Lots of the 50k you mention died WITH coronavirus and OF things like highly metastasized stage 4 cancer, but by policy some countries (U.S., Italy) will count them as a 'covid-19 death'. Even then around 60M people die per year so around 15,000,000 will have died. 50,000/15,000,000 = 1/300 = 0.003 = 0.3% That's pretty easily within the range that could be buried under a complete hoax. It's certainly not a problem worth destroying the global economy over since such a destruction will lead to far more deaths than this. The thing which makes the most sense to me is that it was time to 'pull' the economy itself and this was just an excuse and smoke-screen. Apart from that, we do not have the cure or the vaccine to this virus so it is still rampant and will be in the near future as well.
Coronavirus is around all year every year. It sweeps back and forth around the world as the common cold then goes away when a population has developed a relatively modest amount of natural herd immunity.(*) Always has. We've never had a vaccine for coronavirus deployed yet, although attempts to develop one have been attempted and ended in disaster. Why do you think that this coronavirus will remain rampant until a 'cure or vaccine?' Who told you that, and did they give you a justification? --- (*) 65-70%. Initially the immunologists assumed that 70% should be good enough for vaccines because it made sense based on observations of naturally occurring infections. It wasn't. Nor was 80%. Nor 90%. Nor is the current 95% given various outbreaks of various infections in 'highly vaccinated populations.' Nobody has a very good explanation for this very inconvenient conundrum...or wishes to talk about it because it is embarrassing and interferes with other plans and the marketing spiel. |
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This one was awesome. Well worth sharing, and I have a couple of times. I've seen this guy before, and have been impressed by his work. I should put him on my list of to-visits. |
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In the case of a lab created bug being released it is more likely that there would be a snowball effect. These things have been being developed for decades so it is fair to guess that there are thousands cataloged by feature set and stored up by a bunch of different nations and NGO's. Once one is finally used 'in anger', it seems very likely to me that there would be a conflagration.
Anyone with half a brain knows the full range of possible sources. Of course you want to discuss the small subgroup of possibilities that is in line with your conspirators inclinations. I see two possible sources: - natural - man-made Got more? 'natural' is fairly well understood, excepting the corner-case environmental considerations with the 5G and what-not. 'man-made' is classified so much less is known about what might be in the various freezers scattered around the world. |
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I'm not saying that there isn't a COVID-19 test, but I would not be surprised if they many places are just testing for coronavirus.
For the reasons mentioned above, testing generally for any coronavirus would be pretty useless because there are many coronaviruses that humans commonly get which cause few to no symptoms and aren't any big risk. I mean, if you're going to scam people might as well just throw the swab out and totally make up a fake result. from: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262588/UK-coronavirus-news-boris-johnson-covid-19-testing-kits-death-infection-rates-latestThe government has been stung by criticism over its slow response to testing people for the virus and currently lags far behind other countries, such as the US and South Korea. To bridge the gap, Number 10 has ordered thousands of kits from private enterprises, including from a Luxembourg company, Eurofins. On Monday, Eurofins sent an email to government laboratories, warning that a key component known as “probes and primers” had been contaminated with the coronavirus, according to the Daily Telegraph. Doesn't say whether the coronavirus was SARS-cov-2, or whether it is on the swab they stick up your nose until it practically touches the brainstem or not (which, obviously, may produce some health risks.) Doubt it would be on the swab, but I also doubt that the contamination contributes to testing accuracy. In the way I define 'accuracy' at least. I couldn't help but notice that it doesn't seem like the 'doctor' who circulated the fun little drawing was exactly encouraging people to rush out and get a test. Just sayin. As a matter of fact, it seems like every effort in the world is made to NOT understand the background infection rate in the United States, or any other country in the world. I've bitched about that on other threads. It bothers me because I'm kind of n science geek and systems analyst, and I have an idea of what kind of data is necessary to make what kinds of scientific and policy inferences. The denominator in the mortality equation being one such desirable numeric. |
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I know people who are sick with sars-cov-2 and whom have had family members die.
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But if you're so confident that this is all outright fake, I'm willing to make an enormous bet with you... care to suggest some terms?
I'm tempted because of your record betting on the cypherdoc thing. Don't remember the precise details, but it didn't seem like it worked out well for you. At the very least I'm sorry for the people who gained confidence from your bet on the guy. I don't happen to believe that this 'covid-19' thing is an "outright fake", but I am perfectly satisfied that there is a hell of a lot of fakery going on around it. Another problem is there is absolutely no way to get anything remotely resembling a trustworthy number because of the above. There is not even agreement within the medical community about what a 'covid-19 death' actually is. Another problem is that there are a ton of people who are so convinced that the world NEEDS mandatory vaccinations and unique identification and tracking for every global citizen that a little bit of fraud in order to achieve this necessary-for-humanity goal is acceptable. I find it interesting that everyone here so far 'has a friend' who's has family who died. Yet another problem is that no matter what we've seen so far, it is in my mind more than likely that we'll see worse released in the future in order to achieve a variety of social engineering goals now that the peeps are on the stampede. I'm with Anthony Fauci when his audience is other doctors rather than Joe Public: If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)...
I'm with a lot of other people when asking whether the real goal was to destroy the economy and this was a handy excuse to do so. So-called "creative destruction" which is so hip with the cool kids these days. Lastly, although I don't scan commits any more I assume you are still working on Bitcoin. If so, I don't want to distract you to much because we're going to need that solution big time I fear. |
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If a vaccine is developed and tested before that happens, we can have mandatory vaccinations in each country to eradicate this disease globally.
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No need for mandatory vaccinations. Natural herd immunity for these kinds of things tends to run around 60-75%. Far more people than that would love to get their vaccines and protect themselves from this deadly scourge that has killed almost twice as many people as get killed by lighting. If you want the vaccine nobody on the so-called 'anti-vax' side is going to stand in your way. And it is super easy to avoid getting hit with any of their research so you should be able to get your jab with perfect confidence. The fundamental difference between the pro-vaxxers and the so-called anti-vaxxers is that the pro-vaxxers are trying to force the other to do something they don't want to do. The anti-vaxxers are fine with their opposite just making the choices which are right for them...although it pains us to see pro-vaxxer kids get damaged and makes us concerned for our country when one out of every two people is totally fucked up, on meds, or whatever due to the vaccines. Pains us in the pocket-book also since we are healthy enough to hold down a job so our taxes go to pay for all of the people who are to sick to work. Of course you also have pro-vaxxers like Dr. Oz who supports vaccines for other people's kids while his kids go vax-free. Bill Gates too by some accounts. |
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In a practical sense it really doesn't matter one bit if the bug came from a lab or a market or whatever.
It matters a lot to me because in the lab case we can expect it to happen again and again whenever it is "politically useful" (to quote the neocons from their PNAC document.) And such things have a ton of uses politically. It's probably reasonable to expect something this to happen every ten or twenty years. Of course, in some areas of Asia wearing face masks is not new. Depends. An especially nasty naturally occurring seasonal virus would just as they always have. Of course if there are additional mutagens in the environment (GMO technology, 5G on bandwidths, etc) the rate of mutation would likely increase, but that would not necessarily imply that the most dangerous ones would be the ones which 'take' and go around the globe. In the case of a lab created bug being released it is more likely that there would be a snowball effect. These things have been being developed for decades so it is fair to guess that there are thousands cataloged by feature set and stored up by a bunch of different nations and NGO's. Once one is finally used 'in anger', it seems very likely to me that there would be a conflagration. |
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A biological attack is a likely opening salvo of an open kinetic war.
What evidence do you have that this was a "biological attack"? I've not seen anything which really even attempts to substantiate that claim based on any valid scientific analysis, or any leaked documents, or any other generally acceptable methods of analysis. In fact the basic logic of a particular 'event' falls quite flat a lot of times. What I have seen are a lot of very blatant attempts at blunt force warmongering propaganda. It's times like these when a person or group's true colors come out. As a consequence it is a great time to separate the wheat from the chaff (or 'tares') in alt-media land. As I've been saying since the start of this thing, keep your eyes open for a third country to start a mutually devastating war between the U.S. and China so that they can take advantage of the vacuum it creates. And a biological attack from a 3rd party has the potential to instigate that doesn't it? If they can convince people of the false-flag, sure, and that has proven to be a fairly trivial achievement. Certain groups sort of specialize in doing such things. So happens that same have a fair bit of pull in both mainstream media circles and social media platforms. --- If someone owes you a lot of money, you can hire a collection service and pay them a fee. The United States people owe the Federal Reserve basically every person, place, and thing in the country to this private entity after 100 years of borrowing debt-based money at interest. The Fed is probably largely an off-shore entity, but they are protected by banking secrecy laws (hence the 'audit the fed' thing) so nobody really knows. I suspect that China will act as the collection service and will get a cut over and above what they are already owed. I suspect that Zionists have been effectively in charge of the U.S.'s political arms for long enough to have seen compromised butter-bars promoted up through Major General so I don't anticipate much 'defense' from our military. I suspect that for a similar reason China could win a war almost without firing a shot if that was the will of our Zionist controllers...who have moved their financial capital to China already over the past several decades and are teaching their kids Mandarin (mostly to control their new hosts.) I suspect that the so-called 'left wing' will not only not resist but will welcome the Chinese with open arms to 'save us from Trump' or whatever. That trial balloon has been floated in such states as California for some time, and the controlled media cannot stop gushing about how the Chinese society is so great that they can build a hospital in two days. What 99.9% of the goyim don't know (because they don't get brainwashed in yeshivas) is that they themselves are just about to go crazy and do another holocaust on the Chosen People. Thus, it is morally acceptable for the 'victims' to strike them first out of 'self defense.' |
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A biological attack is a likely opening salvo of an open kinetic war.
What evidence do you have that this was a "biological attack"? I've not seen anything which really even attempts to substantiate that claim based on any valid scientific analysis, or any leaked documents, or any other generally acceptable methods of analysis. In fact the basic logic of a particular 'event' falls quite flat a lot of times. What I have seen are a lot of very blatant attempts at blunt force warmongering propaganda. It's times like these when a person or group's true colors come out. As a consequence it is a great time to separate the wheat from the chaff (or 'tares') in alt-media land. As I've been saying since the start of this thing, keep your eyes open for a third country to start a mutually devastating war between the U.S. and China so that they can take advantage of the vacuum it creates. |
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I read a book on the 1918 flu a couple years ago, so I know pretty much exactly what all these docs and everyone else are worried about.
What did your book say about the vaccine research by the Rockefeller Foundation on military bases and re-using the same cattle and/or horses for the development of different microbes? What did your book say about the declining number of test subjects logged while performing this aformentioned research? What did your book say about digging up bodies out of the permafrost in the 1950's and not being able to find a virus at all, but finding one hell of a bacterial pneumonia? My family of NPR-ish liberals 'knows' a lot about the 1918 flu, and they seem to 'know' pretty much the same things you do. It's a resonable conjecture that you all were reading from the same stable of books. Seems that there were more than several 'different' books on the subject and they were all marketed fairly effectively no to long ago. In a practical sense it really doesn't matter one bit if the bug came from a lab or a market or whatever.
It matters a lot to me because in the lab case we can expect it to happen again and again whenever it is "politically useful" (to quote the neocons from their PNAC document.) And such things have a ton of uses politically. |
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Medical people are coming out of the woodwork, so to speak, all over the world where there is freedom to speak, and showing us that the pandemic is false panic propagated by people who want us to believe a lie.
No they are not. I know people this pandemic has killed. I have a relative who works with the patients who are sick from it. Pics, or it didn't happen!.... Actually, there's an aspect of this matter that I would like to mention to you. It's the take on your various conspiratorial perspectives. (A) Oh, but they could have died of something else... (B) Oh, but the powers that be are inflaming the crisis beyond any reason (C)Oh, but the low number of people in hospitals... (D) whatever else you've mentioned that I may have not paid attention to... Namely, that these things for most half way intelligent people are not "False" but are "also true." None of them are contradictory to the basic reality of a major pandemic. None of them I disagree with. All of them I disagree with if alleged to be "all that there is." Of course this is a complex and multi-faceted issue with a bunch of people and entities trying to do a bunch of things. Many people probably make the mistake of assuming that everything has a central point of planning. The mistake probably comes from fiction where in order to tell a story it needs to be simplified in order to be coherent. In reality most things tend to be, or rapidly become, fairly chaotic. None-the-less one can see the shadows of a finite number of major interests through the mist, and if looking for them based on past encounters they can be quite recognizable. At least you are not pushing quack cures.
I don't write most of them off either. It's just that unless I have studied something and put some thought into it, I don't have a lot to say about it. At least that is what I try to do. Since it is hard to find an intelligent argument against certain ideas, let me do that here. One hypothesis which is gaining strength in my mind is that SARS-cov-2 is nothing more than a run-of-the-mill seasonal coronavirus which just happened to come along when various powers decided that the time was right pull a hoax. The trouble with this is that there seem to be all kinds of 'old drugs' and other 'cures' which seem to be proving effective against it. The 'common cold' has been around forever and there is much money, fame, etc from finding ways to deal with it. Much research into it as well I'm sure. Given that, it seems unlikely to me that SARS-cov-2 is totally 'natural'. I don't think that the so called 'crushed glass lung' observations on CT scans would be a new thing in pulmonary science if there were not some new things going on. |
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Medical people are coming out of the woodwork, so to speak, all over the world where there is freedom to speak, and showing us that the pandemic is false panic propagated by people who want us to believe a lie.
No they are not. I know people this pandemic has killed. I have a relative who works with the patients who are sick from it. Pics, or it didn't happen! The funny thing is that I would believe your story about all the dead people you used to know and all the patients your relatives have seen from exactly one person on this forum. That would be you. Considering the deaths are about 60k and the world population is about 7.5B, the odds of a random individual being killed are roughly 10 times higher than getting hit by lightning. 60,000/7,500,000,000 is 0.000008. You have a very unusual set of friends and family so it would seem. A special tribe perhaps? --- By the way, the 60k reported deaths worldwide from 'covid-19' include people who had stage 4 cancer and multiple organ failure but since they had the coronavirus in their system they were reported as 'covid-19' death. About 82% (87%?) of the reported deaths in Italy were similar, and the U.S. reports the same way. Small wonder that the U.S. is 'mirroring' the Italian numbers where a country like Germany which, presumably, reports things in a less politically convenient way is running something like a 0.1% mortality rate just like one would expect for any medium flu or seasonal coronavirus. |
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