Allowing them to advertise here is a much worse things to do than having no scams threads in the Hardware section, but you have a valid point even if the BTC isn't well past redemption. BTC will live no matter how many Inaba tards there will be out there.

And people expected him to design an ASIC chip.


Don't come back here ken. Scammer!

Thank you for doing business scamming here. Please move to the jail that you deserve and don't ever come back.

Please show me proof for the FUD about Bitmain.

I thought this thread is about the SP-Tech company and its miners, not about ROI and not about the case for the customers. Each vendor's thread should be about the vendor and the products, not about financial speculations.


This has been discussed so many times already. As stated before I think there is a small misconception about the bitcoin ROI. Buying and holding 9 bitcoins raises the question of when you exchange them back to fiat or what are you doing with them while mining gives you more options.The way I see it it this:

- Exchange rate doesn't move for 6-12 months:
         - Buying and holding makes 0 profit;
         - Mining will show a profit because there is less incentive to deploy new hashpower
- Exchange rate goes up (fast or slow):
         - Buying and holding will show a profit, but uncertain because of the moment of exchanging. Will you exchange at 1000$, 1200$, 1500$ and so on. If you exchange 3 bitcoin at 1000$ and next month you have a 1200$ rate then you lost some profit there, while mining tends to smooth a bit this;
         - Mining will always show a profit if exchange rate goes up. I realize that it will be smaller than buying and holding if the exchange rate will go up fast, but since nobody doesn't know the future I prefer the conservative way instead of the lotto way.

There you have it. Out of 4 possibilities only 3 will show a profit and 2 out of 3 are from mining. It's everyone's choice how he plans his financing. All ROI discussions sums up to the above for me and I feel that it's a very over discussed general subject. Comparing competition offers in terms of pricing and performance is one thing, but the ROI discussions tend to be more a matter of personal preference and speculation than a neutral thing like pure hardware performance.

You had your answer. Maybe stop trolling repeating yourself?

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LOST CONTACT WITH BITCOIND for 3.1 minutes! Check that it isn't frozen or dead!

Maybe https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656170.0 ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.0

Check Bargraphic's latest post and be sure to report them to the authorities especially here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation

Good luck with your refund. Ken is nowhere to be found so you are alone. Try their thread in Securities forum.

Why do you send money to someone without a real and solid proof of a working miner?

But what's keeping AM from mining? They have the chips, they have the immersion cooling setup, they got everything, but there is no mining.

I may be cluesless, but you are the one in a managing position that was frustrated by his or the others incompetence while you were swapping microscope components by hand. Also the continuous delays from BFL show how good are the people that run this scammy business. Of course there are some other reasons like mining with customers hardware or selling it to someone else, but the technical and the managing skills are clearly lacking in this company.

Thank you!

Thank you. As I said the bet was made by a rushed person, not by lawyers. I am sure that he wasn't even aware that the title is part of the agreement. What matters is that the scope of the bet was is BFL will ship units before 1st April. They clearly haven't shipped anything before or on 1st April. They didn't ship anything the whole April and May month. That's what matters. Luke-Jr says that the bet should be a Win for BFL because they clearly shipped so many units before 1st April.

Edit: Unfortunately the bet was made so horribly wrong because it only asks for a hashing proof. Not having the unit in hand. Worst bet ever! But thank you Luke-Jr for helping scammers from BFL to get a draw on that bet by posting the required pictures 30 minutes before the deadline. We really need more people like you!

Ok. I won't search and you won't either. I remember that bet was for BFL delivering units before 1st April. No matter how you or me interpret the terms of the bet, the purpose was the same. No matter happened with your unit the facts remain and those are that the next unit and even your unit left BFL 3 months later. This whole discussion on the terms of the bet is pointless for me. The bet wasn't made by lawyers or by someone who can state some neutral terms. Bet was made by a normal person and he put what he thought to be decent terms for it (unfortunately very vague and arguable like in our case). Trying to twist the bet statements is a waste of time since BFL really failed to deliver units before 1st April.

Even if they have physically delivered the unit to you it was still a twist because next units went out of the door 3 months later. I realize that in a court that would stand as a win, but in real life you get shit on your door and some human parts stuck in your holes for such gimmicks.

Carry on!

I am interested in facts. Facts which you are evading to tell and you put me to search for them. If you say that the bet should have been a Win for BFL then you must know the terms for the bet. Putting me to search for them is a waste of time. If you don't know the terms for the bet then you just talked without nothing to back it up, but I am sure it's not your case.

Please tell us why should the bet be a Win for BFL! Only because there was a shipping label which was never actually used for a long period of time?

I will contribute with 1 BTC if you bring Sam Cole to justice! Just do it! Contact a lawyer first then go to the police!

Thank you for being evasive. So you state that the bet should be a Win for BFL, but you don't want to back up the statement with anything. I won't bother searching for it (maybe k9quaint will do it), but anyone can create a shipping label anytime and can use it at a later time (like in your case) so that can't be your reason, as for actually having the unit that is off too since you claimed to have it in BFL's warehouse.

So that's it everyone. Luke-Jr thinks that the bet should be a Win for BFL because they created a shipping label and they plugged his unit from their warehouse! This is his definition of having the unit.

I can't find the original terms of the bet, but please enlighten me why it should have been a Win for BFL.


Not English native, but having something that hasn't been delivered yet is weird for me.


So you claim that you received a shipping label, but the unit was hashing in BFL's warehouse? When exactly did you received your shipping label and when did your unit stopped hashing so that it could be sent to you?

So since the unit wasn't actually delivered to you then it's fair to say that the bet should have ended as a Lose for BFL and the one that made the Draw decision was wrong. Also your statement from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163261.msg1713137#msg1713137 is just a lie because you didn't had the unit at the time of the post. BFL had your unit, not you.


There was no shipping label at the time of the post if the unit was in BFL's warehouse. Lie again. Or there was a shipping label ready sitting right next to the unit in the warehouse. No shipping occurred before or on 1st April.

There goes your credibility in this whole story since you covered up for BFL.


I agree.