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2321  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do NOT declare that you have ever owned bitcoins on: April 27, 2013, 05:27:39 PM
Do no fear your government.  Your government should be pissing their pants with the thought of you.

Maybe should, but they surely don't.

Means it's time for a revolution Grin  They really don't fear us anymore.  We need to remind them why they should.
2322  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to create physical Bitcoin? on: April 27, 2013, 05:26:55 PM
See how Casascius coins work.
2323  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do NOT declare that you have ever owned bitcoins on: April 27, 2013, 05:22:27 PM
Do no fear your government.  Your government should be pissing their pants with the thought of you.
2324  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
Next question: Who forces you to pay the damages to landowners?

There is likely always someone who don't care about pollution, specially if you have access to international markets...

Private security businesses and arbitrators (which take the place of police and the justice system.)  This video can explain it quite well.

Edit:  Whups, goofed up on the URL Grin
2325  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever on: April 27, 2013, 04:05:17 PM
The comments.  Cheesy  Faith in humanity permanently restored.
2326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I do a geeky podcast with a friend, finally talked him into a Bitcoin episode on: April 27, 2013, 07:28:05 AM
I know they are not interested, that's the whole point.

The initial argument was that we shouldn't bash on them because they don't have a choice.

They DO have a choice AND they have the resources to defend it.

Sure, I don't see why not.  If they wanted to shoot themselves in the foot by taking on U.S. copyright, or shell out all the cash to staff the workers required to respond to copyright infringement claims in a timely manner, or attempt to improve their automatic recognition of songs, they could do that.  It's just, Google isn't charging for any of their services, and YouTube's included in that.  They could do anything to improve their current status so as to not piss off their users.  But whatever they do, it will cost them, and that's not something any business wants to do if they can avoid it.

The point I'd like to make is this: if people didn't have a stick up their ass about copyright, Google wouldn't have to worry about it to begin with.  They would be dishing out the cash to put up with someone else's rules.  Should the proponents of copyright not pay Google to enforce the rules they're pushing on them?  If we were to agree that those who want this rule should be the ones who pay for it to happen, then we can also agree that Google's inability to provide a quality auto-song checker is a direct result of copyright advocates wanting their cake and eating it, too.  They want the rule enforced, but don't want to pay for it to be correctly enforced.

Thus, it's not Google's fault that they're providing a shit copyright checker; they didn't have to provide one at all.  If anything, copyright holders should be getting in contact with copyright violators directly, instead of yelling at Google to solve their problems.  Google is merely providing a service and should not be held accountable whatsoever for what another individual does, and yet they are, which leads to the problem we're facing now.
2327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I do a geeky podcast with a friend, finally talked him into a Bitcoin episode on: April 27, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
Taking down content when a copyright holder complains is what they *have to do* - auto-scanning the audio of all submitted content and comparing it to a massive library of known copyrighted materials with such poor sensitivity that they mistake a DnB remix of a song for the original... that's something they choose to do.

The alternative would be a huge amount of staff, in various languages, to review every single copyright complaint thoroughly to ensure all videos are in proper accordance with local copyright law.  This would be great for creating jobs, but, frankly, this would be extremely expensive.

On another note, I personally completely reject copyright and release all of my creative work under a very loose creative commons license or public domain.  So there's always copyright supporters (in this case, the music industry) to direct general annoyance toward Tongue

So Google doesn't have to, it simply chooses to comply in order to have the path of least resistance.

Imagine if Google was in Sweden. I'm pretty sure they would have an army of lawyers ready to eat up any legal threats from the US.

No, Google doesn't have to, just like I don't have to pay taxes.  It's all a mind game, really.  If Google wanted, they could join me and my rag-tag gang of liberty lovers and go all out on America's oppressive regime Grin  So far, they don't seem all together interested, outside of a dislike of SOPA and CISPA (I could be wrong about CISPA...)  Anyway, we all know what happens down this road, and it's never fun.  It can make life Hell, actually--more than it already is, anyhow.
2328  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I do a geeky podcast with a friend, finally talked him into a Bitcoin episode on: April 27, 2013, 05:59:39 AM
YouTube is only doing that because it has to.

Does it?
Shouldn't be that hard for Google to move some of its servers in another jurisdiction...
Or even to create another corporation, if needed.

America's got more presence than you could imagine.  For example: TPB.  Doing fine in Sweden.  Sweden gets its arm twisted by America and its western cohorts.  Suddenly Sweden doesn't like TPB anymore.  The creator's doing unlawful jail time, too.  Since Google likes money, and doesn't like getting on the wrong side of the law, they're going to want to do as America wants.

Otherwise, they wouldn't care.  They have no incentive to uphold someone else's rule at their own expense, outside of legal trouble; arm twisting.  They do not make money by screwing with their users.
2329  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Taxation [discussion] on: April 27, 2013, 05:54:23 AM
Then great, go ahead!
A lot of the current states are not doing the best job, I can agree.
But as far as I can see there was never a single successful state using your ideals before. The internet (and also Bitcoin) gives new possibilties, but you will have to proof your concepts, if you ever want to win people's trust to your ideas.

Discrediting and blaming the current system is easy, doing it better is very very difficult.

That's just it; we couldn't if we wanted to.  There's no place on this planet in which the state does not creep.  The only place I can think of currently is Somalia, but I predict, if they improve enough, and enough people leave to go live there, they'll get tossed around by some country's government or another and a state will be installed against people's will, until they tire themselves out and finally accept whichever country decides to take over.

That's why we need people to understand why the alternative is better.  To change the status quo, we need people.  No individual can begin a society.  Not a hundred people.  Not a thousand people.  It takes a large effort, and to uproot the state, you need a huge amount of people, a nation's worth, all on the same page, all educated to a point where the state is unnecessary.  As long as state proponents outweigh state opponents, there's not a lot of choice in the matter.  That's the point.  That's the state.  There's no choice in the matter.
2330  Other / Off-topic / Re: [WTS] My soul, 21BTC. on: April 27, 2013, 05:41:20 AM
Don't get scammed, folks.

How can you prove OP still has their soul?  I can name plenty of people (mostly politicians) who no longer have one.

Soul double spent ?  Grin

Devil's been burned on these deals more than you could guess Tongue
2331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I do a geeky podcast with a friend, finally talked him into a Bitcoin episode on: April 27, 2013, 04:36:35 AM
YouTube is getting better by the day, guys…

YouTube is only doing that because it has to.  You can thank dinosaur government and entertainment industry lobbying for that Grin
2332  Other / Off-topic / Re: [WTS] My soul, 21BTC. on: April 27, 2013, 04:33:46 AM
Don't get scammed, folks.

How can you prove OP still has their soul?  I can name plenty of people (mostly politicians) who no longer have one.
2333  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 27, 2013, 04:30:12 AM
I would like to see our community develop tools whereby individuals could voluntarily fund projects that have been traditionally thought of as being under the purview of the state.

Coming soon.

We have the technology.

Let's say Joe, Bill, and Sarah decide they want Road X to be repaired.  They go to a website (something similar to kickstarter) in which they post the job they want done, and set down a little bit of cash to entice prospective contractors.  More people who drive on Road X notice it needs repair and see the listing, and "back" the project to get the job done.  Meanwhile, more businesses have noticed people are chipping in to get Road X repaired, and are auctioning with each other to get the job (example: company X will do the job for $500, then company Y says they'll do it for $450, on and on until nobody wants to bid lower.)  Once enough "backers" pitch in the amount of money that the lowest bidding company agreed to do the job for, the project is funded and Road X gets repaired by the winning company, paid by the people who wanted the road to be fixed.

So it's like a two-way kickstarter; citizens add money to a pool, and businesses fight over who gets the work.  This can be applied to any non-emergency service government provides.

Emergency services is where it gets even more creative; here's one method to handle security.
2334  Other / Politics & Society / CISPA on: April 26, 2013, 10:32:35 PM
Quote from: Fight for the Future http://www.cispaisback.org/



CNET has obtained 1,000 pages of government documents that reveal the Obama administration secretly authorized a backdoor for warrantless online wiretapping.

Would you rather not hand over your Facebook password to your boss? Congress apparently doesn’t care.

Maybe you’ve heard that a lot of companies were paying big lobbying dollars to pass CISPA, but did you know it was THIS much?

And speaking of money, guess who’s wife has a $10 billion contract riding on CISPA’s passage?


America's war against the American citizen.
2335  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 26, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
Guess I have confused you with someone else, my bad.
The discussion is tiring me out atm. I think I will take a break.

That's okay man, and I know how you feel.  These debates can wear you out he he Cheesy
2336  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US Bitcoin Folks: Ask Your Congressperson to Advocate for Bitcoin on: April 26, 2013, 06:47:04 PM
I offered future Nevada governor VanDerBeek some Bitcoin to support his campaign.  I've yet to hear from him back tho, but it seems right up his alley.
2337  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 26, 2013, 06:45:52 PM
P.s., I have no idea what night-watch-state is, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like.
Brief aside: The night-watchman state is the Minarchist's ideal state: Limits itself to monopoly on defense and justice.

Ahh gotcha, thanks Grin  Doesn't sound preferable, to be honest.  It would be like a monotheistic religion cutting back to only having a little bit of God.  At some point in time, that little bit of God will become a whole lot of God, and then it's back to square one.
2338  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No Taxation...Donation! on: April 26, 2013, 06:40:43 PM
Hah, I was trying to make a remark. Because I think some kind of force is okay, while you think every force is wrong.
But enforcing your idea upon me is already a force. -> so the hypocrisy would be at you.
but not really important, just some blathering, ignore this one.

But seriously:
Feel free to build up a night-watch-state like you want somewhere.
I doubt it's gonna work, but it seems like there are a lot of Bitcoiners who do (because well the decantrilzed money is one of your things)
So there should be quite a lot of people who are rich now or gonna be rich and could buy a small state together (at least if Bitcoin is successful).

I did say please, didn't it?  I'm asking you to see it my way; I'm not using force.  If I were using force, I'd be at your house, banging on your door, threatening you to open and accept my ideologies as God-given truth or I'd burn your house down with you inside of it.

I believe this is our disconnect; you're still shaky on what "the use of force" is and is not.  It's the difference between voluntarism (e.g., you coming to this site was voluntary, whatever you decided to have for lunch was voluntary, doing a little jig on your dining room table was probably voluntary), and coercion.  In other words, stateless (voluntary) and state (coercion; force; involuntary.)

P.s., I have no idea what night-watch-state is, but it doesn't sound like something I'd like.
2339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PayPal president interested in bitcoin on: April 26, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
When I closed my PayPal account, I basically told them I was ditching for Bitcoin instead (along with a slew of other insults for various reasons, revolving around PayPal favoring scammers and ID thieves over me.)

Glad to see he listened Grin
2340  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Buying through credit card on: April 26, 2013, 06:31:41 PM
As John said.  Those are your two options.  Because credit cards can be charged back, and Bitcoin can't, it's a gamble to sell Bitcoin for CC/PayPal.
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