I feel sorry for you guys. The ones that are still stuck here. Sure, the price might gain another 20% over time. But don't hope for moon. Moon is too far out for this project.
This topic was filled with complete idiots during the ICO. Guys like ''Iambitcoin5'' and other fucknuts who hop from one ICO to the other and are now hyping up WAVE instead.
This coin has been hyped, it's shit, you never hear from the actual developers. Barely any public appearances. Meanwhile volume is drying up to the level of other shitcoins.
Just sell already. Sit on a portfolio of ETH + bitcoin. Ignore everything else if you want what's best for you.
Date Registered: March 03, 2016, 08:59:54 PM Posts: 79 All posts in this thread, alls posts silly FUD-attempts. Not very hard to come to correct conclusions about your paltry intentions. ;-) |
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This article: https://steemit.com/lisk/@dan/why-lisk-is-inferior-to-ethereum...was very attacking against Lisk but was changed fundamentally in the last 24 hours. The topic has changed to "Steem as a Smart Contract Platform" (before it was: "Why Lisk is inferior to Ethereum"), there is no single word left about Ethereum and the attacks against Lisk were mitigated. What is left is PR for Steem but nothing special. Anybody any idea why it was changed that extreme? Holy shit he changed half the article... Exactly. It's a totally different article now, with another focus. And I really would like to know why. Maybe he found out to be wrong with his criticism against Lisk. Maybe his account was hacked and the Hacker changed the article. Maybe he was paid to change it or some kind of pressure, maybe it's kind of a PR-Stunt: To generate attention in the Lisk-spotlight with the intention to hype Steem. But... no scenario I can imagine really makes sense. |
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This article: https://steemit.com/lisk/@dan/why-lisk-is-inferior-to-ethereum...was very attacking against Lisk but was changed fundamentally in the last 24 hours. The topic has changed to "Steem as a Smart Contract Platform" (before it was: "Why Lisk is inferior to Ethereum"), there is no single word left about Ethereum and the attacks against Lisk were mitigated. What is left is PR for Steem but nothing special. Anybody any idea why it was changed that extreme? |
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Looks like lisk still not increase in yobit.. i am still waiting for increase of this altcoin but looks like theres no hope for lisk right now.. more promises turn to nothing..
Sadly... Even the dumpers aren't interested anymore in hyping this alt... And another Newbie-Account trying to spread FUD. Just btw: That is always a good sign! ;-) P.S.: The volume is still in the thousands, so it may be a little bit weird to say there is no interest. |
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The webwallet sucks, the blockchain sucks and can't handle the number of transactions, the official nodes are not efficient at all, this is a total mess and it's reflected in the price.
Lisk is awesome. Just wait until the price skyrockets. It will also sucks, for those who dumped  Give me a good reason why the price should increase drastically at the current stage. Because of a press conference? Good one. Don't get me wrong, i have some LISK too but this is like walking on quicksand. 6. Expectation of the market: People compare it to Ethereum. I'm not sure if that is very smart because it is different, but regarding the market-situation it may be more true than false. And many missed to buy Ethereum at low prices after launch and they don't want to make this mistake again. That's why I believe we will see a similar price-dynamic but faster. Conclusion: Lisk is in a very early stage but it has a lot of potential and that means that there is also a lot of room and potential for the price. To be honest: My strategy was to buy into the ICO to sell very soon after launch. Initially I just figured that they are good in marketing. But I really like how they've managed the problems regarding development and how they communicated it. That's why I didn't sell because I believe there is much much more price-potential. Good analysis. The main problem is that LISK is fundamentally flawed. It cannot be taken seriously or used for serious application. Perhaps this is by design? It would require a complete re-coding by experts to make it sound enough to be beneficial to big business. Otherwise it can remain what it is, a fun small time application for the masses without serious consequences should it break. Call it a 2016 DODGE coin now with fun applications for the masses. As such it is at best a USD0.50 coin tops. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with catering to the masses in a light weight fun way which is what LISK does and will do. As detailed below to re-write of the code for serious applications seems too daunting at this late stage. Comparison to Ethereum has always been ludicrous. There is a reason the language was invented in their case to operate on the blockchain. LISK is its own thing and has its followers and community just like DODGE, it will come out with fun apps for them, games and other neato javascript things, just how javascript in the early days did the same on the web. It won't and cannot do something like this for sure: http://www.coindesk.com/microsoft-identity-platform-multiple-blockchains/We are talking serious matters like banking, identity, country voting etc. LISK has its place in this new era and can do well in it with what it is and what it does. reference point to inherent flaw in LISK: https://steemit.com/lisk/@dan/why-lisk-is-inferior-to-ethereum1. The points which are made in the blog-post (which I already know) are most likely true but it doesn't describe fundamentally flaws. And to speak about a "late stage" is kind of hilarious. 2. While the blog-post mentions some points that really need to be addressed, it's also obvious that it comes from a competitor and is in fact PR for Steem while using Lisks spotlight. 3. It's kind of revealing to use a brand-new account with a 14-post-history of bashing Lisk. ;-) |
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The webwallet sucks, the blockchain sucks and can't handle the number of transactions, the official nodes are not efficient at all, this is a total mess and it's reflected in the price.
Lisk is awesome. Just wait until the price skyrockets. It will also sucks, for those who dumped Give me a good reason why the price should increase drastically at the current stage. Because of a press conference? Good one. Don't get me wrong, i have some LISK too but this is like walking on quicksand. I also don't believe that the Berlin-conference will have impact on the price. But I know of a lot of reasons why I believe that Lisk is a good buy at the current price-stage and why I expect it to rise over the next days and weeks: 1. Volume: I've never seen such a huge volume without Margin Trading. Since Launch one week ago, the volume (of just Poloniex) exceeds the total supply. What that means is that there is a lot of distribution and a many or even all of those who bought into the ICO do sell right after with some profit are already out. Constant high volume establishes new prices and stable price floors. Just that is normally enough for a rising price. 2. I see absolutely no reason why Poloniex shouldn't enable Margin Trading. If they do it and Lisk is in a good position regarding it's price, people won't bet against it. More likely it will go up. Everybody can take a look at the last pump in Factom in early march. There was no reason except enabled Margin Trading. And the Factom-pump was from a already high price. 3. Team-Strategy: The Lisk-team is very smart when it comes to marketing actions. They do it all very strategic and that is something I often missed in other projects. Very often it's just about a good timing, but many teams don't care much about it. I'm pretty sure that the Lisk-team has some good news in the pocket. 4. Development: Very often teams have to work on the basic stuff and very often ppl don't have enough knowledge to understand what it is about, why it is important etc. That's the same in Lisk but what I really like: They are very good in explaining why it's important, why it gives more value to Lisk etc. I say that because: All the weaknesses that are normal in a new project can be turned into good news, into the (correct) impression of fast progress. That is also something I expect... that there will be a lot of progress-news regarding development. 5. Funding: The team is well funded and we can expect that they will use those funds for hiring more Dev's and also for marketing. 6. Expectation of the market: People compare it to Ethereum. I'm not sure if that is very smart because it is different, but regarding the market-situation it may be more true than false. And many missed to buy Ethereum at low prices after launch and they don't want to make this mistake again. That's why I believe we will see a similar price-dynamic but faster. If we talk about the price it's about attention. And while I don't say that Lisk is already the best project out there, it's at least one of the best managed projects. They know how to get attention and how to keep attention on a high level. And that's really needed, not just because of the price which is more a side-effect. It's needed to get the right people in, Developer for App's etc. The Lisk-team has understood that. Plus: What's also great is the financial incentive to get involved in Lisk. At the moment we can see that regarding the delegates. But in future I hope to see that also when it comes to Dapp-Development etc. Conclusion: Lisk is in a very early stage but it has a lot of potential and that means that there is also a lot of room and potential for the price. To be honest: My strategy was to buy into the ICO to sell very soon after launch. Initially I just figured that they are good in marketing. But I really like how they've managed the problems regarding development and how they communicated it. That's why I didn't sell because I believe there is much much more price-potential. |
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Better not touch this one. It's done... +1 A strong argument could be made either way. Devil's advocate would point out 1) The coin was made by a public figure with a track record. More precise might be: This coin is one of hundreds of simple clones and it was sold from a guy with a shady past. Neucoin was never something to bring more value to Jango. Jango was a marketing-strategy to get attention and lead ppl into the impression that it would be enough to add value to a totally flawed project. The results show: That's not enough. Of course. He made a lot of Bitcoins out of the ICO and sold useless dust to those who were too unexperienced and naive. And while the Bitcoins rise in price, Neucoin goes down more with every month at very low volume. It would need a x30 pump just to reach ICO-level again. But there is the monster inflation - plus billions of premine. 4) Sell orders on Bittrex within a short distance of the current bid are massive, roughly 6m up to 191 which is roughly 50% of what is at Bittrex. Is somebody dumping? Or are they squeezing coins out of nervous people? We don't know yet. Volume today was 16btc, far beyond what depth was, and 5.5 btc remain on the buy side. So either a lot of buyers stepped in, or the sellers are inflating the volume. They don't need to squeeze coins out of nervous people. They make millions of useless coins every day out of staking rewards. And THAT (the economical design) is the biggest error of the whole project and it's impossible to get it solved. The general design is also enough proof for a total lack of competence. 5) It would be very appealing to the person behind the project to see the coin successful, and it would not take much. In business terms it would be a lot cheaper than abandoning it. It wouldn't take much? It's impossible. I agree that they most likely would want to see it succeed instead of just abandoning it like little Scammer. But they already know that they've made such big mistakes right from the start that there is absolutely no way to get it somewhere that would make sense for anybody. The problem is: Even if the tech would be better and the economical design wouldn't be such a bad joke and the team would be competent... would it have a chance? I don't believe that. There would be still zero innovation. Neucoin is nothing more like all other little clone-coins. The difference is just: Neucoin made an ICO and promoted it with "big" names. Nothing more. At the same time there are projects that are really innovative, and even if they shouldn't be successful, they are part of the collective progress and evolution of innovation. They would have value even if they should fail somewhere in future. Neucoin is nothing but a money grave for all who invested in it. And that was predicted from many users in this thread over a year ago. |
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If BTC increases, then all ALTs will suffer and LISK is not an exception
If Bitcoin should already hype, Alt's will benefit with a little delay, especially the Top ones. If you take a look at the Litecoin-Chart End of 2013 - it was an explosion. I expect the same for Lisk. Litecoin exploded only cause it was like 99.99% the same as bitcoin. Lisk and ethereum is different from bitcoin, and their purpose differ from bitcoin. The same happened with Peercoin and Dogecoin etc. The reason is not if something is similar or different to Bitcoin. If there is a pump there will be a dump, so people begin to sell. They could sell Bitcoin for fiat but a lot of Bitcoin go into Alts. Plus: A Bitcoin-hype is the best marketing for Crypto in general, it attracts more people and more money. That's why it's good for the whole market. And Lisk, as one of the serious projects with an innovative approach, will also benefit. This year it was kinda opposite. When BTC went up, the alts went down. However, if enough money will pour into BTC, the alts may start rising too. It's normal that Alt's first go down when Bitcoin goes up. That's why I've said Alt's will benefit with a little delay. |
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If BTC increases, then all ALTs will suffer and LISK is not an exception
If Bitcoin should already hype, Alt's will benefit with a little delay, especially the Top ones. If you take a look at the Litecoin-Chart End of 2013 - it was an explosion. I expect the same for Lisk. Litecoin exploded only cause it was like 99.99% the same as bitcoin. Lisk and ethereum is different from bitcoin, and their purpose differ from bitcoin. The same happened with Peercoin and Dogecoin etc. The reason is not if something is similar or different to Bitcoin. If there is a pump there will be a dump, so people begin to sell. They could sell Bitcoin for fiat but a lot of Bitcoin go into Alts. Plus: A Bitcoin-hype is the best marketing for Crypto in general, it attracts more people and more money. That's why it's good for the whole market. And Lisk, as one of the serious projects with an innovative approach, will also benefit. |
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If BTC increases, then all ALTs will suffer and LISK is not an exception
If Bitcoin should already hype, Alt's will benefit with a little delay, especially the Top ones. If you take a look at the Litecoin-Chart End of 2013 - it was an explosion. I expect the same for Lisk. |
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I really don't like this. It seems strange, the bitcoin movement upwards. Seems so unnatural and like some bitcoin communities are trying to pump it before the halving as much as possible.
Something that goes up so unnaturally comes down much harder, in my experience.
Glad to see Lisk doing great during it though.
Nothing strange, just have to take a look who's pumping BTC: Chinese (look at chinese exchanges spread). Chinese don't care if the chart looks good, or if there's good news or environment for the pump. When they want to pump, they simply do it like a beasts. Chinese know well that the best way to attract new capital is to make big and noisy moves, something that we seem not to understand... There is a reason for the pump: Currency War Resumes - China Devalues Yuan To 5-Year Lows
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/currency-war-resumes-china-devalues-yuan-5-year-lowsBut: At this point there is a lot of resistance in the chart. I believe Bitcoin-price will fall back (but in general, the next months) I think it will go up) To add this: If Bitcoin falls back, and I believe that will happen, Lisk will benefit most of it. The ETH-chart looks very scary but Lisk wants up. Only reason that it's not on the run already is Bitcoin, but Lisk is doing really good against it. |
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I really don't like this. It seems strange, the bitcoin movement upwards. Seems so unnatural and like some bitcoin communities are trying to pump it before the halving as much as possible.
Something that goes up so unnaturally comes down much harder, in my experience.
Glad to see Lisk doing great during it though.
Nothing strange, just have to take a look who's pumping BTC: Chinese (look at chinese exchanges spread). Chinese don't care if the chart looks good, or if there's good news or environment for the pump. When they want to pump, they simply do it like a beasts. Chinese know well that the best way to attract new capital is to make big and noisy moves, something that we seem not to understand... There is a reason for the pump: Currency War Resumes - China Devalues Yuan To 5-Year Lows
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/currency-war-resumes-china-devalues-yuan-5-year-lowsBut: At this point there is a lot of resistance in the chart. I believe Bitcoin-price will fall back (but in general, the next months) I think it will go up) |
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Where to buy some?
Do you know how to go to Coinmarketcap.com and find out which exchanges sell a coin? Have you read any posts on this thread? Your first step should be to research and find out if the coin is still viable. The original dev is apparently a known character, and supposedly integrated the coin into Jango.com. If you are going to invest more than a tiny bit you should verify that the coin still works on that website. If it does then the dev may have stepped back to drop the price and buy it up. If it doesn't work on that site then be careful. Most people seem to think at this point that it is a scam. I agree for my mistake for not reading the full thread. I'm totally new to buying and trading new coins to make profit. So I will get used to it in some time Better not touch this one. It's done... |
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Flash Crash...  |
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Are we again moving to the low of the day? buying opportunities again. Love this movements. But remember, keep a few aside that you don't trade as one day it will be $10  I will buy more tomorrow cause there will most likely be cheap Lisk for sale after the bounty distribution They should not release this so soon... they should at least wait a few weeks before doing that... but indeed if they release the bounty distribution then it will give some pressure on the price and that won't be good as some people will lose some trust here. I agree The first bounty distribution is worth about 150 BTC. That won't do any harm at all. 150 BTC is almost 10% of the buy support on Poloniex, i would say, that will hurt a lot. In fact buy support just dropped below 1700 BTC now.... Putting those 150 BTC on the market will crash the price. PS: Believe me, i'm more experienced then you on that topic Last Price 0.00064198 A 150 BTC dump wouldn't even bring us to 0.0006. 1. Not everyone will dump immediately, or even at all. 2. That's hardly a "crash". Yes but that small crash might turn in to a bigger crash. When the price starts to go down not only the 150 BTC from bounty distribution will be the problem. Panic selling might happen by other people when they see the price go down. and that is my point... Remember ICO price was around 18k sats.... those people didn't sold at least not all of them, but when people that invested a few BTCs and see the price dropping and dropping then they will sell as there are always other opportunities available and they don't want to take any risks. 1. Lisk management should monitor the market. The buy support is not big enough 1700 BTC compared to 9000 BTC of ETH 2. Lisk management should monitor volume of the market. Volume dropped on Poloniex from 32k to 14k BTC 3. Lisk management should monitor the head and shoulder behaviour of their coin. We are getting lower highs, currently we are not hitting higher lows (only positive point at the moment). If Lisk doesn't move above the breaking point of 85,000sats then it will have a hard time to get higher in the near term, adding those coins on the market will create worse market condition. But as i said... it is not my coin... but with over 20 years of experiences in analysing real stock markets and over 3 year in altcoin world, i believe i know what i'm talking about. With that much experience you shouldn't forget the Main-Reason for the price-drop (of nearly all Alt's): Bitcoin. From $470 to $520 in a few days. |
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Auf den Ruinen von Crypti, welches Ende Januar vor dem Aus stand, mit einer Marktkapitalisierung von unter 1 Million und einer kaum noch vorhandenen Community, formte er innerhalb weniger Wochen Lisk. Meine Frage nun, was ist mit den Investoren oder Crypti Holdern ?! Bleiben die nun auf ihren alten Cryptis sitzen und die Karavane der Entwickler zieht mit deren Kapital weiter oder werden wenigstens die alten Crypti in Lisk getauscht ?!
Es war möglich während des ICO's Crypti in Lisk umzutauschen. Ich weiß nicht mehr zu welchem Kurs, da ich keine Crypti hatte. Aber grundlegend ist Crypti damit Geschichte. Das Lisk-Team hält jetzt so viel, dass Crypti keinen großen Sinn mehr macht. |
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Great article from Brian Deery: Never loose your child’s birth certificate
Readers have asked us: how we can secure private data publicly on a blockchain and also keep it private? Specifically, how would Factom “never lose your child’s birth certificate?” It would be foolish to publish private data, such as a birth certificate, on a blockchain where the whole world can read it. However, if you only publish a hash of the data, it does not prevent the loss of data, it only gives a reference point to see if it changed. This is a great question and core to the ideas around data management on the blockchain. When we talk about all the wonderful things that can now be done with a blockchain, it takes a little thinking outside the box. As Henry Ford said, “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” Blockchains can change the way we do things, not what we do. Our claim would be confusing if you thought of birth certificates from the perspective of the 20th century; sheets of paper issued by a certificate authority, like a government. What probably comes to mind is a mere hash of a digital certificate on the blockchain. “If I delete my copy, how is the hash going to retrieve my document?” As many of you know, hashes are one way, you cannot derive the original content from a hash. Conversely, things like a birth certificate should not be published on a blockchain because then anyone could read them. So how does one create a record that can never be lost? (...) https://www.factom.com/never-loose-your-childs-birth-certificate/ |
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