Is that a reaction on me? Because I wrote: "But that is even more an argument in my opinion that they don't act shady."

Yes. But that is even more an argument in my opinion that they don't act shady. Most likely they are not allowed to trade at all.

I highly doubt that. Because the logic is not true. Many whales have too much trust in exchanges. Think back: MtGox - who would have trusted that exchange with much money? Many! Same with Bitfinex and it's the same with Poloniex.

There are > 100k accounts on Poloniex, most likely about 150k or something like that. And let's say 50 guys on Polo are very rich - and some of them are stupid. And we've seen big walls also in Ethereum and Factom.

Plus: If Polo would play shady games with a total lack of subtlety they could come into trouble with the SEC. And in my opinion Poloniex is where it is because they are professionals.

There is a thread on the Maidsafe-Forum about that:
https://safenetforum.org/t/former-maidsafe-engineer-outlines-what-appear-to-be-several-serious-issues-with-the-platform/10960/35

Any quote you could share?



No. Sometimes they call it Token or software license or cryptocurrency. Whitepaper:

"Once the system is set up, including issuance of Factoids (i.e., the cryptocurrency of Factom) (...)" 

Whitepaper:

The MainNet is expected to be online in the 4th quarter of 2016.
https://github.com/AntShares/AntShares/wiki/Whitepaper-1.1

And somewhere I believe I have read: End of October or early November.

But don't remember where I did read it.

It's not.

An they gave informations about the refund-option:


"Refund Policy

We do have a refund policy should an over-funding scenario comes up due to the unlimited ICO funding target.

When the ICO terminates on Sept. 7th, 2016(Beijing Time), ICO participants could have the option of continuing or quitting based on the general conditions of the funds raised.

If a participant wishes to continue, he/she will not be required to do any extra operations; if he/she wishes to quit, a refund application should be submitted on www.antshares.org/ico anytime before the formal release of the Antshares Mainnet.

When a refund takes place, 100% of the bitcoins invested by the participant shall be refunded to the bitcoin address designated by the participant in his/her refund application.

The refund option will become unavailable upon the formal release of Antshares software, which is under development. The release date of the software is not determined yet but will not be within 7 days after the ICO termination, leaving adequate period of time for the participants’ deliberation.

All the bitcoins due in the refund process will be sent 30 days after the formal release of the software all together. The refund policy does not support a partial refund and is not revocable once applied.

Valid ICO amount and its allocations will be announced within several days after the formal release of our software.

Should a special occasion occur during the ICO, say, malicious refund leading to a 2/3 refund ratio, Antshares team reserve the right to proclaim invalidity of this ICO and refund all bitcoins raised."
https://www.antshares.org/Blog/Details/21

Whatever you smell must be near to you ;-)

Thing is: If you want to say that this is a scam you should underline that with arguments.

Maybe you need a shower?

You are such a sad clown. Like your previous accusations and lies about me this is also a mix-up of your inability to distinguish between your personal mental problems and what it should be about in this thread. But let's treat it as if you would say something legit:

"insults from a newbie account. That's another one of Tempus alt accounts."

Let's take a look at the dates registered:

myriadforce
Date Registered: March 01, 2014

tempus
Date Registered: August 07, 2014

Azael
Date Registered: May 08, 2016


- Who is the newbie, you newbie?
- And if myriadforce is "another one" of my accounts, why was he registered even before myself?
- And "another one of Tempus alt accounts."? You already tried to spread the lie I would be a Factom-sockpuppet but you did not say I would use more accounts if I'm right. Who else is me?



"irrational cheerleaders"


That's funny. Yes, I write 99% positive about Factom. Because it's a great project. But it's not cheerleading.


But you:

"Will EmerCoin pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?" --> In the EmerCoin-Thread

"Will Dash pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?" --> In the Dash-Thread

"Will Monero pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?" --> In the Monero-Thread

"Will Expanse pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?" --> In the Expanse-Thread

"Will Rise pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?" --> In the Rise-Thread

"Will Lisk pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?" --> In the Lisk-Thread

"Will Sia pitch to Anchor into Factom blockchain after they do Ethereum?"  --> In the SIA-Thread


And you spam your Factom-cheerleading around even more. The last posts of you after the above - both Factom-cheerleading in threads of other projects.

Take a look at your own posts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=838066;sa=showPosts;start=0


You believe that is rational?
You believe that is not cheerleading?



Conclusion:

1. You are the newbie and most likely it's not your first account.
2. You act irrational.
3. You are the cheerleader here.


So, please don't bore others and me with your bullshit.
 

Don't fool yourself:

IQ and the Wealth of Nations
Reviewed by K Richardson
http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v92/n4/full/6800418a.html#aff1

You should be old enough to understand that there is a difference between Customers and Speculators. Even Investors are no Customers. And Factom doesn't seem to have a problem on Customer-side. Or do you know a project that is better on that side?




The protocol is not the part of Factom-INC. The non-profit-part of Factom is responsible for the protocol. And what they do is to deliver the technological base and they do that open source, free to use for everybody. And they've never given exact dates. And even if, it would be still true that it is better to do it as perfect as it can be than to rush things out.

But yes, I know you believe more in something like TheDAO, because it was delivered in time. It's dead now, but let's say that is the right way to do things in your world.


They do care about Factoid-Holders. They absolutely know that ICO-buyers and also those of us (like you and me) who bought on the exchange will make huge profit without any work if they work their ass off to deliver a great project and get partnerships. And that is exactly what they do and that is what the price reflects. If you would have bought more Factoids instead of buying into Ethereum - would that have been better or worse? Take a look to the Chart.

I really don't understand how it's possible to bitch around, to spread lies and still to believe to be right, when there is also a lot of proof that your own decisions were bad and your claims wrong.


I've never said that your questions about M2 are irrelevant. What I've said is that it's totally irrational to spread around that supporters who disagree with you are paid Shills of Factom. If I would make a list of all the bullshit you've spread in this thread - it would be long.

And your whiney behaivour about M2 - do whatever you want. At least it's a point, because it is late. But if you would be informed you also would know what they say themselves about it. Under the line you have no point. But of course, as long as you don't spread lies and bullshit the best you can do is to continue to cry about a delay.

My advice is: In the meanwhile you could try to find a project that rushes things out. Shouldn't be a problem because nearly all do that and nearly all are doomed. A lot of opportunities for ignorant gamblers to burn their money.

See, this is the point:

"But this does not mean I n going to become a groupie and not point out obvious deficiencies only cause of you or somebody else would like to see this thread look really, really pink. "

You have exactly two points:

1. Complaining about the M2 delay.
2. Complaining about a lack of marketing

And that goes on and on and on.

About 1) They say that they tread their software as financial software. They want it bulletproof and that is the only way to do it right to avoid bullshit like we've seen in one of your favorite projects - Ethereum

About 2) They've often explained that they won't do marketing for the market and that is also the best they can do, because it would hurt their reputation not to focus on the real target-market --> getting customers in. And everybody can see how good they are.

In fact you have zero points and that becomes obvious whenever I or somebody else tries to discuss that deeper with you. And that is why you make up total bullshit with your accusations about "X is from Factom" and "Y is from Factom" and so on.

And that you don't have much money in Factom shouldn't be a reason to act like a troll.

Fact is: You said it's a brand new account but it is older than Factom.
Fact it: You can speculate through all possible scenarios but you can't know what's true

Maybe try it with valid arguments instead of using stupid accusations like "from Factom" and so on. I mean, I know out of own experience how wrong you can be there. And it's very ironic that you are always complaining about Factom, demanding them to do marketing and so on, while you spread lies about Factom and supporters of Factom.

It's not a big problem because I doubt that anybody will believe you. But the way you're writing here is deconstructive. You applause when the price goes up but it just needs to settle a little bit, and even when it's on a high level, you start again with your complains and demanding behaviour and because of a lack of arguments you reply to criticism on you with your shady theories. Every time you accuse somebody to be a Factom-shill you also accuse Factom to act that way.

That is irrational behaviour.

Maybe you shouldn't just look how many posts, but on "Date registered" - and that account: Date Registered:   March 01, 2014, 11:38:35 PM


That you are unable to focus on relevant informations is the reason for your weird conclusions. Maybe keep that in mind to avoid embarrassing situations after your accusations.  

Theoretically the price can be wherever the market wants to set it and even inflation wouldn't hurt. I mean, it's totally common for Crypto-projects that there is inflation and no consumption while in Factom there will be consumption (already is) of Factoids. Ethereum is highly inflationary and even after the halving Bitcoin is as well.

The main-factor will be the demand of Entry Credits. And besides an increasing attention that already happens and will continue, the market will react on all signs for a high demand in the future. And there are already some indications for that. More between the line, but still... David Johnston said in the interview that potential customers ask if Factom could handle a billion entries per day. And his intention was to explain Factom. I doubt that his intention was to hype the market, otherwise he would use a megaphone. But why should they (potential Customers) ask that?

He also mentioned that the smart city deal will start to roll out in 2017. I didn't expect that so soon. And what will the market do with those kind of informations when/if it becomes more obvious that it could be about those high numbers in the future? The market will react. That is safe to say if we won't see any setbacks. And will we see setbacks? I doubt that. D.J. also said that they treat the software as financial software. They test it until it's bullet-proof while M2 already seems to be finished.

Plus: What everybody knows who follows Factom since some months is, that they never announce announcements. They just write an article on their blog and tweet it. With other words: They keep on dropping potential bombs. And what I believe is: It's just a matter of time that there will be something that it will have massive impact on the market that it won't even be possible to ignore it.

It may seem overoptimistic but that is what I expect and not without reasons. And I don't think much about inflation because I don't believe that the price will tend to the equilibrium-price for years. There will be inflation. It's not realistic to believe that the price will ever go that low that there will be more burning than creation of Factoids. Somewhere in the future it could find some stability. But that would mean that Factom would be established. And that would mean that Factom would be that successful that we can't even imagine it now. Because even if there should be a time without more good news - no new partnerships for months - those who will use Factom until then will use it more and more because most of all of those businesses have to handle increasing amounts of data.

Of course, that's only a scenario if Factom should be successful. Thing is: I personally have never seen any sign to have doubts about it. Whenever I do research about a project I try to find reasons not to invest. And usually I find a ton of it and don't touch it. In Factom I only see how good they are in removing all barriers that could avoid success. I've never seen that before in such a perfect way.

Whoever it is would be stupid to just dump it and hurt the price. Those who hold a lot of any currency have no interest in damaging the price but the opposite. If it should be somebody with money, and it obviously needs some money to collect that much, it could even be a good sign - maybe he will help on the marketing-side.

What you guys have to understand is that Factom just needs to move on how they did and do and all what you want will come. To believe it would be smart to make marketing for the Factoid-market is in fact the total opposite. We are not their target!

We all know that Factom is unique on the business-side. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know of any other project that talks to banks and governments and institutions. Now imagine customers and potential customers of Factom would see the team hyping the Factoid-market. Would that be good for their reputation? Would that really be helpful? Of course, the price would skyrocket for some days, but: Pump and dump.


Before all: That would hurt Factoms reputation. That would damage the long-term-potential. We are not their target! But we are in the very privileged position to benefit from the work they do. And it's hilarious when amateurs believe it's smart to give professionals advices like that. As if it would be a lack of ability that they don't make marketing for Crypto-Gamblers. It is a clear sign of professionalism and credibility.

And just by the way: Attention is increasing. It's visible on all platforms and also in this thread. And it will continue to increase. Like I've said before: This is a catapult. So enjoy it. They do it all right.

They also have a japanese Twitter-Account: https://twitter.com/factom_jp?

But no, I'm not aware that japan was a big focus until now. But maybe that will change.

Oh, that's nice. Coincheck is a Bitcoin-exchange and wallet-provider if I'm right. The only other currency as far as I know is Ethereum:

Japanese Bitcoin Exchange Coincheck Enables Ether Trading
http://www.econotimes.com/Japanese-Bitcoin-Exchange-Coincheck-Enables-Ether-Trading-178704


So, it's a nice step into Japan for Factom when they add Factoids.


Edit: Just found this: https://coincheck.com/en/contents/coincheck-factom-exchange

Edit 2: Tweet from coincheck: https://twitter.com/coincheck_en/status/769099967143239680