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2341  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 11, 2017, 12:43:52 AM

Also, for all those people that vouch for anarchy but do have Bitcoins.... Do you really think you would be able to keep hodling them when someone went to beat you to death until you gave your private keys to them... because they have the "means" and "freedom" to take it from you?

Someone stole 85 bitcoins from me, I let the localbitcoins community know what/who to watch out for. The only response the police gave me was seizing all of my computers/cell phones/money and investigating me for money laundering.

After over a year they finally returned everything to me (everything useless because I already had to replace everything plus who knows what they added to all of my devices).


My thought on preventing such a thing from happening is some sort of "reputation coin" where everyone has a reputation that can be looked up and anyone who has dealt with that person can report on them (like yelp/ebay). Anyone who is a fraud or violent will be punished by society due to nobody wanting to deal with them and taking precautions when they're around.
2342  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2017, 06:07:45 PM
this shit amuses me, who the fuck is actually believing in bitcoin as a technology?
who seriously would adopt bitcoin as a currency with all that forks?
you all just want more of the precious fiat money  Roll Eyes

time to buy ETH/LTC/ZEC...

I believe in it in the same way I believe in air.

I use bitcoin all the time for real world purposes. There is nothing to not believe.
2343  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 09, 2017, 02:47:57 PM
So I gave my nieces and nephews some bitcoins a few years ago and they have the addresses.

But it looks like they'll miss out on the Bcash giveaway. Should I chance withdrawing their Bcash and add the funds to their current address or not risk it?
2344  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 06, 2017, 02:06:27 AM
Jimbo

ABP

NoScript

I have not seen an online ad in like 4 years man, do yourself a favor.

Jimbo: and I would add Ghostery.  https://www.ghostery.com/  Whitelist your favorite places, carry on.

Just use the Brave browser. That is all built in to the browser.
2345  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 05, 2017, 01:59:59 AM
What i have learn about Lightning network is their ability to increase transaction capacity as close as Visa's transaction capacity which could cater as large as 47,000 transactions per second. We need to have a centralized data center or servers same as what Visa did that can handle transaction at a lightning speed but it defeat the purpose of decentralization but it attracts major I.T. companies to invest this kind of solution for an off-chain lightning network and that is not want the majority to happen.

It could centralize if everyone uses one service. LN will be centralized in the same way that MtGox was the only Bitcoin exchange for several years. And then it wasn't.
2346  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 03, 2017, 04:54:06 AM
All governments extort their citizens.

Well, all governments with income taxes.
2347  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 01, 2017, 02:31:38 AM
Guys, is hodl a paradox? When are we supposed to enjoy our riches? I've never had riches before. Should I be living in a richly place now? I've never lived in a richly place before.

I just don't know.

Some time back, I bought my wife an Instant Pot (fancy pressure cooker) with Bitcoin at a 25% discount via Amazon/Purse.io. Told her by using Bitcoin (which was already way up for me), it was the cheapest Instant Pot money could buy.  Grin  Cool

Then Bitcoin quintupled.

Now she looks at the Instant Pot and says, "Most expensive fucking Instant Pot money could buy." Tongue  Roll Eyes  And sits there scheming over all the things she could have bought HODLing instead.

So yes. HODL is a paradox. Yes indeed.

Nevermind I bought all the dips on the way up. Nevermind I can retire early now. That fucking Instant Pot will always be my HODL reminder.

"Yes honey, it's a lovely house, but we could have bought a fucking castle, you idiot!"

If you paid with dollars then that would be 25% less dollars you would have to buy bitcoins.

You also perpetuate that bitcoin is only used for buying pot.
2348  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 30, 2017, 11:01:18 AM
this hodl philosophy will really hurt bitcoin one day. this could end in some kind of deflation spiral, nobody uses bitcoin to buy stuff because stuff will be much cheaper tomorrow.

to solve this hodl problem we need a new kind of service. A combination of payment and exchange service. with this service it should be possible to pay for something in bitcoin and also instantly exchange the same amount of fiat back to bitcoin - payhodl.com!

Trust me, when most of your wealth is tied up in bitcoins, you will spend them.

The flaw is thinking that people that get it will be holding very much fiat to spend. Maybe enough for a restaurant or groceries for the week but the big things like travel, large purchases, etc. are done with bitcoins.
2349  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2017, 02:38:27 PM
I have seen it before but there was some news this week about inter-blockchain transactions without a central exchange. What was that called? I'd like to dive into how that works.
2350  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 29, 2017, 02:24:39 AM
Gold and silver is money for people that want this world to be like Dungeons and Dragons.
2351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 27, 2017, 04:57:57 AM
Classic price movement: mania up to $4800, panic-sell drop to $3000, then price
settling in around $3900.  The go-no-where price of the last week is actually
really good for the coin... boring trade that's in equilibrium may not be good for
speculators or traders, but it's good for BTC.

Stability has always fueled the Bitcoin rocket.
2352  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would there be a way to put a lock time on all successive transactions? on: September 27, 2017, 12:16:03 AM
Just looking at creating a colored coin that would represent equity shares in a company. One way to comply with SEC regulations is if shares of a company can only be sold after 1 year. And any sale of that share beyond that also needs to be held a year.
Since you're looking broader than just Bitcoin: Byteball offers regulated assets:
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Regulated assets
Regulated institutions can issue assets that are compatible with KYC/AML requirements. Every transfer of such asset is to be cosigned by the issuer, and if there is anything that contradicts the regulations, the issuer won't cosign.
You can probably set up a bot to handle sales-requests (but I can't tell you how exactly).

No, you can't do that with Bitcoin. Once the funds are spent, they have nothing to do with their past transactions anymore. When you make a transaction, you can specify whatever the rules of unlocking those funds you want, as long as you can unlock them.

If it is possible in your implementation, you can simply specify that all the transactions have to use nLockTime with a month of delay, otherwise those coins are effectively burned, or uncolored.

That makes sense. They have value due to some external definition not by having value itself.

Either way, this is likely not the road we would take but it needs to be checked off the list. The SEC sucks balls.
2353  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Would there be a way to put a lock time on all successive transactions? on: September 25, 2017, 01:23:00 AM
e.g.
1.  2 bitcoins to address 1XYZ which is locked for 1 month
2. then after that month, whomever controls 1XYZ sends to two different addresses,  1ZYX and 1WXY which should also be locked for another month no matter who has the private keys to 1ZYX and 1WXY?
3. Then  1ZYX and 1WXY send elsewhere and those transactions are locked for a month worth of blocks?
4. Does this continue infinitely or does it stop after some number of transactions?
etc

I don't believe that you could encumber future transactions that all originate from a single root as bitcoin is now under the scenario above.  Perhaps you could do so with some type of payment channel, but if you can give an example of what you are trying to accomplish, perhaps that would help determine a method to do so.

Just looking at creating a colored coin that would represent equity shares in a company. One way to comply with SEC regulations is if shares of a company can only be sold after 1 year. And any sale of that share beyond that also needs to be held a year. We are looking at all SEC options which all have varying degrees of limitations in place. I was just vetting whether or not the 1 year delay route was possible via Bitcoin. It might be possible with ETH but I'll let our ETH guys look into that.
2354  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Would there be a way to put a lock time on all successive transactions? on: September 24, 2017, 08:39:42 AM
I know that you can already set a lock time which allows you to set the future block for which a transaction has to wait until to be confirmed, but would there be a way to specify locking any transaction after that by a set amount of blocks?

Like I send 2 bitcoins to address 1XYZ which is locked for 1 month (a certain amount of blocks). Then once 1XYZ has access to the funds they send to two different addresses, 1ZYX and 1WXY but they both have the same delay of 1 month. And those transactions also have a delay and so on and so on...


I ask this as I am trying to figure out a programatic way of conforming to some certain SEC regulations for something. We are still flushing some things out but I just want to know if this path is possible.
2355  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 24, 2017, 04:32:15 AM
Cryptosteel is nice in that you can "encrypt" the private key via some simple operation, e.g. change capitalization; shift alphabets, e.g. A to D, E to H, Z to C; or only to a few alphanumeric in the sequence based on something only you would know, e.g. grandma's birthday.  The point is not to make the code unbreakable, but to buy you enough time so that once you get back to safety and have access to your paper wallet backup, you can tx away the hoard. 

But the main problem is that losing Crytosteel to thugs would be even more dangerous than losing Trezor/Ledger Nano S.  Since if the thugs have Electrum available, they can sweep the key right away and find out that something has been done to the key.  Then it is going to be hard to talk one's way out of the mess. 

True. But I don't see moving from country to country as bringing bitcoins with you. Bitcoins are just an account. It would be like bringing your bank account password across the border.
2356  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 24, 2017, 03:50:56 AM
So way back in 2013, I devised a little unscientific theory as a way to measure the growth of Bitcoin and thus it's supported price floor.

I didn't have an accurate way to measure the exact number of participants and accounts across the world, so I just used Coinbase as a reference.

I surmised that for each 5X multiple in number of accounts, the price would be supported at around a 10X from the last price floor.

In 2015, Coinbase had around 2M accounts, and the price floor was found ~$250/btc.

Now they have approximately 10M accounts, and the price floor probably sits around $2500/btc (a rough guess).

So to extrapolate, in order to reach a support of $25k/btc, Coinbase would need to hit around 50M accounts.

Can we do it in the next 2-3 years?  I think it's possible. In 4-5 years I think it's a lock.

Seems legit.

Personally I think we will move toward that $2500 in the next 6 months or so (maybe dipping below that due to paranoia/FUD) but work its way up toward those new huge numbers. The price did dip below $200/BTC but it was brief. I usually don't tell my friends to buy bitcoins but when the price was $225 I got on Facebook and said "buy now, trust me". I think maybe 1 or 2 people listened.
Right now, even though I believe the price could go down over the course of the next year I just tell people that ask me...do you want to double your money by 2020? If so, buy bitcoins. But don't just buy to double your money, learn how to use it and spend it, save money on Amazon, don't pay exchange fees when you travel to another country, etc.
2357  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 24, 2017, 03:27:32 AM
The main thing that I worried about Trezor or Ledger Nano S is that custom officials around the world are going to wise up and start looking for them.  Because they do have rather distinct look from your regular USBs.  

Pretty much every countries in the world has currency amount restriction and reporting requirement at airport.  If countries start to include Bitcoin into amount that you have to declare, having even 1 BTC in your hardware wallet could easily exceed those limit one day!  Since most limit are around USD or EUR 10K max.  BTC could easily reach USD or EUR 10K if it wants to.  

I travel a lot and move to different countries at times with all of my belongings (a carry-on and backpack).

I chose to use cryptosteel as my cold storage. I have several of them to split my coins up. Before moving to a new country the last time I went country hopping for a vacation before going to my new job. There was no way I was going to check in my cryptosteel and I was worried about anyone tampering with my cryptosteel so I wrapped them all into one block with a metallic tape.

Of course this set off the security scan as I went through Dubai. I spent about 10 minutes with the security guard trying to show him that they were harmless plates of metal (finally unwrapping one of them). It didn't help that I have a full chemical suit with gas mask but that's another story.

When I passed through Vietnam I made sure to have a picture of the cryptosteel on my phone and told the guy it was for my bitcoins. He just said "oh, bitcoins! cool" and let me go. I checked my bag when I passed through Thailand and was paranoid the whole time. I have a backup (somewhere in the world) and I have manipulated the private keys in such a way that even if someone was looking at them they would not have my private keys. But I still did not want to lose it. Relying on my backups would mean a lot of flights long flights.
2358  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 23, 2017, 10:19:33 AM

Looks like you are talking a bunch of bullshit.  If your goal is to be right, then you just make up a bunch of shit, and then try to suggest that you are speaking some kind of truth.

Get a fucking grip..  We are in a bitcoin bull market.  You understand that? 

Look kid, I have 10+ years of tradin experience, made good money over the years.

I know the market, and this is going down.

By the way it already went down and it will probably continue to go down despite your irrational exuberance, and the countless shills on this thread trying to talk it up. It doesn't work.

I can always tell which way those with "a lot of trading experience" believe the price of bitcoin will go.

They have all of that experience, they are so great with the market that they failed to see the potential value of Bitcoin and how it would jump to thousands of dollars each.

Even now they don't get it and all of their "experience" still tells them it is worthless, so obviously the price will go to zero. So they can get back to their stocks and bonds.
2359  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 23, 2017, 12:37:38 AM
I probably would not be hanging out with you guys, here in these threads, if I were to have anything approaching 2k in coins...

I'm not sure what you mean by that ?

I'm sure there at least a few folks with at least 2k coins posting in this thread...

Even retired living on a catamaran in Tahiti I would check in on this thread. I find that between all of the arguments and general banter there is a good sense of what is going on in the Bitcoin world here from many different perspectives. Especially with regard to large price movements. It may not be the most accurate but it beats searching the Internet trying to see if people are reacting to one single thing or what is going on.

The rest of the forum is shit due to signature campaigns. Reddit is comparable as the shitty threads can be downvoted. I tried following #bitcoin on twitter and it's just filled with ads.
2360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin on: September 23, 2017, 12:31:31 AM
Name coin I can not understand some of the specific application, the technology will solve any difficulties?

Go check out one of the bitcoin exchanges that the US government doesn't like:

https://btc-e.com
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