A fair distribution using registration method on this forum with minimum rank of member and above will eliminate abuse. I will not suggest off the forum other methods or open distribution where anyone can participate using em-mail or social media account. This forum's ranking system can be helpful for fair and transparent distribution.
Very convenient method for someone who is a Sr. Member, but it's just a coincidence right?  Merit of 1006 plus with 11273 posts and above only. Better to a have a concentrated selection of real crypto enthusiasts on board rather than a bunch of spamming shill accounts  So, only active members of this forum can be considered real crypto enthusiasts? Very nice definition. What you want is to create a new elite of financial power from the "merit" you get from this forum. Cryptos are supposed to free people from bank and government power, not to create a new source of concentrated wealth. Nano's faucet shoud be used as one good exemple of fair distribution, it even helped poor people, like Venezuela's folks who were starting due to a communist government. I was trying to be funny. Sorry it didn't work on this occasion. I will keep honing my skills in this area. So are we getting going with this project or whats happening. |
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Send it via bitbay locked to a certain date
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how are ppl getting on with the latest bee client?
I have at last got bee 2 fully synced up now want to sync the latest client up but seems stuck on
Sun Feb 11
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who would be selling cbx right now given the news?
strange financial decisions people make.
How many projects at 3m cap have 2 x crypto devs with real skills other than copy and paste, 2 x long term leaders and soon to be direct USD exchange.
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A fair distribution using registration method on this forum with minimum rank of member and above will eliminate abuse. I will not suggest off the forum other methods or open distribution where anyone can participate using em-mail or social media account. This forum's ranking system can be helpful for fair and transparent distribution.
Very convenient method for someone who is a Sr. Member, but it's just a coincidence right? Merit of 1006 plus with 11273 posts and above only. Better to a have a concentrated selection of real crypto enthusiasts on board rather than a bunch of spamming shill accounts |
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is this project still alive? this is the biggest bull trap of the entire 2017.
Very alive and one of the best crypto designs out there. Silly distributional model held it back that is all. That and imbecile noobs thinking that unit price is important and not looking at total MC Whilst many inferior designs rigged it so they can collude huge caps... tonych thought it best to make it so that many holding the most were running other projects. In the end expect this to turn out a top 10 project and stay there. |
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talks of forking this are completely ridiculous. I have been one of tony's harshest critics since the start but that kind of talk is just a bit crazy and also very ungrateful. As if there are even more than a handful of developers that can attempt to fill tonych's shoes? where will you magically get another tony ch to take over or fix if future issues arise. Let's keep up pressure to get Tony to listen more to the community but let's remain slightly sensible here. Talks of take over dev teams and such are fantasy.
Tony's main problem is he is a genius coder and designer but is also probably an idealist like a lot of super smart people who don;t really give a shit about profits and money. Think about it people this smart are generally very wealthy already.
Now we just need to make Tony understand that this entire game is right now governed by speculation and the real truth is 99% of people are here to get rich. Sure a few will come and say we dont care about profits we are idealists and believers too. These people are talking bullshit. Whilst tonyCH seeks adoption but where is iota's adoption, where is xrbs adoption.... adoption at this point in crypto is not that important. Appealing to investors and speculators is important right now. Once you get them on board and a huge CAP is there you will get 100X more attention anyway and if the tech backs up the hype your adoption will naturally come next without begging or paying people to adopt it.
I said at the start willingly letting other ico managers take the lions share of tokens was quite crazy. Tony didn't seem to think it mattered for some reason or other.
Tony then realised giving it out over and over again to btc owners was a bad idea so gradually shut them out.
Tony did NOT realise that a LOT of people invested in byteball on the basis not only of it being great tech but also because of the full moon drops. Cancelling those was a terrible mistake since it then destroyed the trust of many investors.
I do have faith that byteball will be a top 10 project even now. However this mess with the distribution needs to end and end fast.
If a burn is not possible I think a huge air drop to all byteball holders (excluding wallets known to be ico managers and exchanges) by huge I mean 30% in one big airdrop. Tony keeps 10% to do what he likes with and we move on from here.
Also a more distributed network needs to be worked out asap.
Then let us as a community move on from worrying about the distribution and get on with pushing forward to get byteball out there.
The problem with tony also is that he thinks he can just ignore the posts he does not feel like discussing and just cherry pick posts to reply to. This again looks bad. You need to be consistent and install trust. Many super smart people are very dynamic and it can appear they are super changeable and unreliable when really they are just adjusting to what they think best in the current situation. However if you want to make these changes you need really to discuss and convince the community or at least some of them. People here are very use to being part of a decentralised community driven decision process. It seems strange to have huge changes thrust on to them with no discussion and then when they complain no answer or even recognition of their concerns.
You have to remember though with this project a LOT of the huge whales have no interest in seeing byteball beat their own projects so since they have such control of the price because they got gifted such huge amounts of the minting that they can beat us down at will. It will take many cycles to take away their power.
Byteball is still way undervalued i think but the question is how to get it to fair value. For a start we need to bring more serious investors for long term holds. I think fully distributing and getting a more decentralised network will be a good start.
This thread is mostly full of arguing about the distribution and the unit size. We need this thread full of positive discussion about how to push byteball forward and demonstrate how good it is next to other projects.
TonyCH is a great designer and coder but just needs to spend a bit more time listening to the community and to give a few more reasons for his decisions and make the entire thing feel more of a community effort (although really he is the project)
I feel we are all being a bit harsh on him but it is frustration at these last min changes that are making us seem ungrateful for this great piece of work.
I think tony does what he really thinks is best for the project but I think sometimes he is wrong and sometimes he needs to discuss these changes with the community and explain he reasons fully. I mean after all if he is way smarter than most of us (which is highly likely) maybe we are the ones not fully comprehending the benefits of such changes. All the same we need to be made to understand so we all have more faith in the project going forward. Install more faith and trust and you will install a lof of long term holders that will suck up supply and hold it. That is exactly what you want whilst you work on driving demand too.
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more excellent news from bitbay and sys
both advancing as always far ahead of the crowd.
shift - well yes let's have the proposal to analyse it according to the criteria set forth in the OP ... We are always on the look out for new REAL projects here with REAL proven dev teams and a REAL use case
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cashing out of bitcoin ..... lol
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Now that the new distribution methods are ready and proven, and we've added even more methods than originally planned, the March airdrop is cancelled. November airdrop was the last one that paid to holders in proportion to their balances. This is the list of the current distribution methods (in no particular order) that we'll continue to use and improve: 1. Cashback. 2. Verification rewards and referral rewards to those who verify their real name. It is true that the referral system didn't work quite well for new users who have no Bytes yet, and we are going to introduce a new scheme which will allow to refer new users without sending them any Bytes. 3. Giveaways, such as those that Rafael does to his youtube subscribers. 4. Mass sending of textcoins to subscribers of our partners. We have done two so far https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1heT6TUSpTJgRW-FUM0LbcoVjXZRCb3PbXQQLmzvNRvM/edit#gid=323859176 and will work on improving conversion in the future campaigns. IMO this is very bad news. None of these methods are "proven" as you say, and they are all far more opaque than distributing to addresses with balances that can be checked on the networks. How many dollar-equivalents have been spent in the cashback program so far? What's there been like 50 people send their passport to Juobi or whatever now? Youtube crypto scam videos? Really? There are still 40% of coins to distribute, and now they are basically completely able to be distributed by shady backroom deals or not at all. There is no way to validate distribution beyond this point. So long and thanks for all the fish. Of course this is a terrible idea. Tony does not seem to realise promising things then not doing them is a great way to destroy any trust in the project. Best thing to bring some real investors here is burn the rest of the tokens I do actually believe tony is distributing as claimed but even so it will take forever and meantime real savvy investors wont touch this project whilst 40 % are in the hands of one person who does not listen to the community at all and does what he wants when he wants. burn the coins and stop begging and paying people to use it. Still cant put any of my own real funds into a project where the captain gives most of it away to other ico managers willingly ... certainly not whilst that person has another 40% to commit financial suicide with. Burn it all so I know this is the limit of the damage that can be done on a whim with no community consult. set up a poll on here so we can vote on what to do this has gone of for far too long now. We'll buy in if this happens. As you can see, people from outside are watching closely. The last thing we need are 'investors' and 'people from outside' who only want to 'invest' to make a quick buck. They don''t bring anything constructive to the project. On the contrary, they'll pump the price to lure little investors in, only to dump on them and walk away with more fiat, leaving the project with a lot of bagholders and a tarnished reputation. Let's not make the same mistake soooo many other coins have made. Don't get played by the players. LOL that's how 99.99% of btc investors are thinking sadly. Does not matter though because whilst this gets pumped to a top 10 position like where it should be anyway the extra attention it gets will far out weigh any people trying to pump and dump. If the design is as good as we believe it will stick at a top position and more people will adopt it over time. paying people and begging people to use it makes it look pathetic. Get it burned now or watching it flounder around for years. |
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Now that the new distribution methods are ready and proven, and we've added even more methods than originally planned, the March airdrop is cancelled. November airdrop was the last one that paid to holders in proportion to their balances. This is the list of the current distribution methods (in no particular order) that we'll continue to use and improve: 1. Cashback. 2. Verification rewards and referral rewards to those who verify their real name. It is true that the referral system didn't work quite well for new users who have no Bytes yet, and we are going to introduce a new scheme which will allow to refer new users without sending them any Bytes. 3. Giveaways, such as those that Rafael does to his youtube subscribers. 4. Mass sending of textcoins to subscribers of our partners. We have done two so far https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1heT6TUSpTJgRW-FUM0LbcoVjXZRCb3PbXQQLmzvNRvM/edit#gid=323859176 and will work on improving conversion in the future campaigns. IMO this is very bad news. None of these methods are "proven" as you say, and they are all far more opaque than distributing to addresses with balances that can be checked on the networks. How many dollar-equivalents have been spent in the cashback program so far? What's there been like 50 people send their passport to Juobi or whatever now? Youtube crypto scam videos? Really? There are still 40% of coins to distribute, and now they are basically completely able to be distributed by shady backroom deals or not at all. There is no way to validate distribution beyond this point. So long and thanks for all the fish. Of course this is a terrible idea. Tony does not seem to realise promising things then not doing them is a great way to destroy any trust in the project. Best thing to bring some real investors here is burn the rest of the tokens I do actually believe tony is distributing as claimed but even so it will take forever and meantime real savvy investors wont touch this project whilst 40 % are in the hands of one person who does not listen to the community at all and does what he wants when he wants. burn the coins and stop begging and paying people to use it. Still cant put any of my own real funds into a project where the captain gives most of it away to other ico managers willingly ... certainly not whilst that person has another 40% to commit financial suicide with. Burn it all so I know this is the limit of the damage that can be done on a whim with no community consult. set up a poll on here so we can vote on what to do this has gone of for far too long now. |
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I am not sure, did you swap those for beev2 in believe that swap was 2015-2016?
No [/quote] In this case it could now be impossible to switch |
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bitbay
blocknet
byteball
sys
komodo
of course just find the real dev teams to find the real projects and possible next big things.
no point going on the dreams and talk white papers most of these bullshit icos put out
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Syscoin ( SYS has working product, best team and all characteristics of the most popular coins ).
sys is a good project and certainly a worthy listing in the op |
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I think Crypto Hunt Game looks like a fun addition to Cryptoland. https://www.cryptohuntgame.com/It will be a pokemon hunter type of game - Augmented reality - run around and find treasures and win their crypto coins by finding stuff around where you are in real life. If it gets anywhere NEAR the traction Pokemon hunter or whatever that game last year was called, then this could be a good one to get in to. Their game comes out in a demo version in 5 days. Yes looks fun... however there have been others like this. It's actually a nice way of distributing tokens. I'm sure they will generate a use case from it but we need to wait and see how well it all goes and if it will be worth while before thinking of analysing it deep for Real project next big thing criteria. I'm sure it will be a fun game for cryptohunters though |
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I am done with bitbay
The market value has now seriously start to decline, but who really believes bitbay will be a major Company like ebay, alibaba etc?
Good luck!
the entire market has corrected hard. i think it can be better than both of those actually i don't dare use alibaba as it is but if it had dde then i would consider it for sure Bitbay is not good as capturing the latest fads and using them to gain popularity... we miss every fad as it comes and goes. I mean many that put these fads on their road maps remove them when they later lose popularity anyway. Latest fad is dag, hashgraphs, exotic sharding methods anything that is a bit different from btc. If we announced something like this the market would go crazy for bitbay. When btc is given a few work arounds to stop it getting jammed up and reduce fees ie LN then all the fuss about moving past blockchain to " other" methods will die down again or perhaps it will not. We simply need more comparison threads that are kept on the front page of the main board highlighting bitbay and how much functionality you get for your buck.. most other projects have no answer to this question that is our strong point. It is a bargain project nobody can really compare. The main board is a total and utter dream marketing zone. This is super targeted noob central looking for new projects bay should be on there full time in their face. I started a real projects thread and put bay on the top. But nobody except a couple of people bothered keeping discussion going on it. It brought attention to 8 real players out of thousands but still the bay community hides up on slack hoping for people to find it by total miracle. We have apparently an entire marketing team yet not one keeps this thread on the first few pages or helps with bumping threads on the main board. I have no idea where they are marketing and who too. There are whales with millions upon millions of bitbay - use some of those to employ people to put effort into marketing bitbay else your millions will never be worth 10% of what they should be if the project was given some real attention here. We need to build a team of people with a real skillset and good at what they do. If they need to be incentivised then that is what needs to be done. Hashgraph is not even provably secure, is it even open source?! People will continue to make projects with tech babble and all that will really matter in the end is the performance and security of the system. Bitcoin rose to popularity because it's secure. I would rather be a niche than part of a fad. There is some ideas you have that are good. We should have anon functions and I think the higher incentive to frozen coins is good and maybe even to improve the security of POS things might gravitate towards a more distributed system with servers. On that note you are not correct about the other things mentioned. Our big holders DO give millions of BitBay to help pay new people. We have several devs who work on things now. How do you think we ended up having the mobile wallet and the web wallet? I helped direct the security and general design so it's secure however they coded it. Also we have many people now working on the marketing end and Shorn has come on full time. Nobody hides on Slack. It's a great platform for live chat and questions and especially support requests. Actually the guys have moved a lot of the support to our forums on the site so that way things are easy to search and reference. This is a good thing and we have noticed that people actually use it! I try to personally check the forums on bitcointalk. A lot of devs don't do that. And also there ARE investors besides you who comment here and they deserve some credit. Although you should know I have the highest respect for you and thank you for keeping the conversations stimulating. Also some of our big investors do comment here like munti and craig. On that note I will comment to the guys to remember to comment here. They do link weekly updates here on bitcointalk and they do occasionally discuss new recruits. As for the guy who commented "I'm done with Bay". Unless he is hoping to rebuy then why would he come by and advertise his alleged decision?! Investors come and go, if they didn't we wouldn't have the millions we do in volume. What does it accomplish to come by and say that? We are making a product, we now release things almost once or twice a month! I think what is really needed is a big thank you to the team for actually delivering physical, usable updates. 1. as a developer I don't think you will find one post on this board from me making one criticism about you. YOu will however find a lot of praise. I base the entire reason for supporting bitbay on the developer. 2. Fads are another way of saying what the people believe they want and need at the time. They pump all their investment into projects even mentioning these new latest and greatest ideas. As to dag, hashgraphs, hash matrix, bla bla all this new greater than blockchain designs ... who even knows if their benefits out weight their weaknesses as yet. However for a time anything mentioning these just got injections of 100's of millions. As you say these will probably die out again over time ready for the next fad to sweep in. Meantime xrb iota all in the billions whilst bay stuck at 70m. I see burst now added some dag to their dimaxion road map. You can be sure when people catch on to that it will start to pump. Sure some fads are not going to be possible to incorp into the design but any that are we should latch on to those and put them in the road map at once. It is simply a free boost in investment and community support. 3. I still think we should have conducted an ico when i said about it when other coins were doing the same thing... taking good projects and re stocking them with development funding and attention like lisk , komodo etc. Bay is just as good as those projects and we would have a development pot of millions of USD and a bigger community. Even particl tried it but they did it to late to have a big effect like the others who did it earlier. Also the way they did it kind of did as much damage to their community as good. 4. Good to hear the super whales are helping new development for me the development is pretty much fine but the marketing is dreadful still. I see it as only common sense that if the project offers more for the buck than any other project yet is still crushed down nearly out of the top 200 now then the marketing is not only weak it is dreadful. If we can prove this is the best project out there for the money then people will flock in to it. Munti did help bump the real projects thread and so did one or 2 others. Are we saying that the entire community is only 3 or 4 people? What are the other 1600 on slack doing apart from chatting on there? Let's bring even 50 of them to constantly post and bump bitbay threads that demonstrate clearly bitbay is the project to invest in at this time and you will see a dramatic increase in bay interest from the entire board. I start to actually believe 80% of this board are fake members or even worse. I mean if you post a thread challenging the entire board to ID real projects with just a few criteria to meet and you get nothing ? I mean literally no other projects were added except like 2 or 3 other than the first ones I listed myself after 9000 views? So out side of the top 10 there are only 8 real projects as defined by the criteria in the OP? Well if that is true (and the top 10 is riddled with manipulated scams anyway) then why is bay community not pushing that thread to stay on page 1 full time? I mean if even just a large slice of all new investment was directed to those (and bay is the top listed project) bay would be way way way more popular than it is now. I do not see how the bitbay marketing team has not realised that the main board on this forum is just like pure gold and totally free? all it takes is a bit of effort. As to all these other posters that are promoting bay on this board can you direct me to their posts? I would like to perhaps collaborate with these people to get a solid thread going for bitbay and keep it active full time. I mean I am scanning this board for hours most days and I have missed these other posts it seems. There was one good comparison thread between sys and bay and that was good and got us some attention. However i consider such a thread to usually sadly decend into a war between the 2 projects even though we try to keep it factual and civil. Both of those are good projects so turning it to a battle is not always the best way forward . I think highlighting bay in amongst other good projects is by far the best way demonstrating all meet the criteria of having good dev teams that have already produced software that delivers. If you try and highlight bay alone that is just a spam really all real projects must be included and bay has nothing to fear from being in such company i think bay is still very strong up against even the other real projects here. 5. those people saying they are done with bay of course are just frustrated and us long term holders from the original ico (not sure how many original holders are still active) have seen the project constantly updating and going forward and realise the time scale needed to actually code out working software and features compared to marketing these features in a future road map that will never happen. Sadly most new investors do not realise that whitepapers and roadmaps are not the same as designing and coding it out and what you can SAY your project will have can take YEARS to design and code out. That is something that needs pushing in their face 24/7 on the main board. We not only need to highlight bitbay has working functioning software. We need to highlight that many many projects way above us do NOT have and are NOT anywhere near to having functioning designs and even IF they do ever have them these designs are not even battle tested and proven to have any real benefits over what we already have. If people on this board were more educated in their selection of projects you would see most investment going to bitbay and a handful of other projects. It's true you never criticize me and I'm honored! And honestly I completely appreciate all the great convos you create here. As for fads, absolutely. When I find one that I really love and have the time to add it we can. For example, I like the idea of sidechains. I like the idea of zero knowledge proof. There is tons of good protocols worth adding if time allows. I base what I add on security and scalability and priority. If I chased fads though then I wouldn't have been able to improve the software and core features. So I guess pick yer poison... yarrr.  ICO's are extremely time consuming to plan and market. I would rather make the peg and then go do it. But actually I really understand where you are coming from. Having the funding is a game changer. But tell me, do you truly think these ICOs aren't faking their volume?!? I doubt they raise a billion dollars or hundred million. Look at Qtum. We KNOW they didn't raise what they said they did and we know that they faked volume because we know Patrick Dai very well. With that said... yes it's another perspective and perhaps a very successful one. Raise money and then deliver. If we had the funding before we could have been far beyond anything else under any brand name. With that said, we are much better funded now than before so I'm happy with what we did. I see your point about fake profiles... unfortunately I think many boards experience that. Bumping threads is great it's on my bounty list to help push all of our social media. I think we are better staffed than before, there was a lot on 4chan and other boards. I agree marketing is nowhere near where it should be but there is a couple new SEO guys. I am a bit upset we didn't do Facebook marketing while we had the chance and I actually begged the team. So lets put it this way. On some things I'm very happy and others I wish we did better. But the net result is, we did better than before. Heck, I can personally get involved in marketing when the peg is done. Even just a little public speaking should crush it! Good point. And you know if humans were able to distinguish between journalism and truth (by actually seeing if the alleged product is real) then our world wouldn't suffer half the problems it does! It's going to take time for people to realize that Bitcoin started grass roots as well and as do many other innovators in the space. Man I remember 4 years ago Darkcoin was a premine and I bought my coins for 300 dollars and I mined a few coins a day on my laptop solo!! How things change so fast. We have come a long way. And we can go further. I do agree with you and our marketing team knows this and they are working hard getting everything in place. I'm sure you can appreciate our Twitter boost, our new site, our new artwork even for little touches like announcements and mailers. A lot of great little marketing touches are starting to happen. Just the other day Munti was telling the team to make sure to do a more concentrated effort to promote our releases. I thought our Christmas surprise was great. Oh and on that note this is to the community... the poker site side project is being worked on by the dev, he is just dealing with personal family stuff and should be right back to finish it. We were at the point where we should be testing it actually. So please stay posted for that. Thanks, to the entire community. A new template is coming at the end of the month. I think a countdown was just posted on Reddit. I agree with all of your points for sure. You are of course just one person and have to make judgement calls how you allot your time. I am sure you make the correct decisions on that too. I think expecting you to waste time on helping with marketing is a waste of your talents in other areas. Theret are far more marketeers than there are super level conceptual designers and coders so we just need to put what marketeers we have to good use and gather more of them. The main board here is an unexploited gold mine. Of course bitbay is crazy undervalued we just need to put this gem under more noses before they get other junk pushed in their face and their btc is sucked away. Ico's are fake 100% however i do think some are more realistic than others I view lisk and komodo as more genuine ones that did raise that actual amount and were open ended and well advertised. These ones are okay and I do think their relaunch through icos did their projects a world of good compared to where they were before. But sure most of these other ico are insider collusion scams but they sadly work great at generating huge fake caps and give them 10000x the marketing power and free advertising through coin market crap. That site is the most dangerous site for new investors out there. They should make far more efforts to weed out fake colluding scam projects. Anyway onward an upward for bit bay. I would love to see some other bitbay fans help keep the thread bumped highlighting the real projects. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2479595.0Sure there are a handful of others some getting even more votes than bitbay on there but really bitbay to me is still the best deal of all of those even so keeping that thread on the first page not only gives noob investors a chance to weed out 8 good projects from 1000's but also if they dig deeper into that list they will locate bay and its tiny cap and see that actually although all of these are worth some investment from here bay is even more worthy of a chunk of btc than any other project out there. |
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I lost 300 BTC by sellling my nem stake for next to nothing ......... never worry about it. The next train will be along shortly
That's just one of many such errors you will make in crypto ... and still you can go from a couple of hundred dollars to millions
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china = becoming a non event in crypto
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I am done with bitbay
The market value has now seriously start to decline, but who really believes bitbay will be a major Company like ebay, alibaba etc?
Good luck!
the entire market has corrected hard. i think it can be better than both of those actually i don't dare use alibaba as it is but if it had dde then i would consider it for sure Bitbay is not good as capturing the latest fads and using them to gain popularity... we miss every fad as it comes and goes. I mean many that put these fads on their road maps remove them when they later lose popularity anyway. Latest fad is dag, hashgraphs, exotic sharding methods anything that is a bit different from btc. If we announced something like this the market would go crazy for bitbay. When btc is given a few work arounds to stop it getting jammed up and reduce fees ie LN then all the fuss about moving past blockchain to " other" methods will die down again or perhaps it will not. We simply need more comparison threads that are kept on the front page of the main board highlighting bitbay and how much functionality you get for your buck.. most other projects have no answer to this question that is our strong point. It is a bargain project nobody can really compare. The main board is a total and utter dream marketing zone. This is super targeted noob central looking for new projects bay should be on there full time in their face. I started a real projects thread and put bay on the top. But nobody except a couple of people bothered keeping discussion going on it. It brought attention to 8 real players out of thousands but still the bay community hides up on slack hoping for people to find it by total miracle. We have apparently an entire marketing team yet not one keeps this thread on the first few pages or helps with bumping threads on the main board. I have no idea where they are marketing and who too. There are whales with millions upon millions of bitbay - use some of those to employ people to put effort into marketing bitbay else your millions will never be worth 10% of what they should be if the project was given some real attention here. We need to build a team of people with a real skillset and good at what they do. If they need to be incentivised then that is what needs to be done. Hashgraph is not even provably secure, is it even open source?! People will continue to make projects with tech babble and all that will really matter in the end is the performance and security of the system. Bitcoin rose to popularity because it's secure. I would rather be a niche than part of a fad. There is some ideas you have that are good. We should have anon functions and I think the higher incentive to frozen coins is good and maybe even to improve the security of POS things might gravitate towards a more distributed system with servers. On that note you are not correct about the other things mentioned. Our big holders DO give millions of BitBay to help pay new people. We have several devs who work on things now. How do you think we ended up having the mobile wallet and the web wallet? I helped direct the security and general design so it's secure however they coded it. Also we have many people now working on the marketing end and Shorn has come on full time. Nobody hides on Slack. It's a great platform for live chat and questions and especially support requests. Actually the guys have moved a lot of the support to our forums on the site so that way things are easy to search and reference. This is a good thing and we have noticed that people actually use it! I try to personally check the forums on bitcointalk. A lot of devs don't do that. And also there ARE investors besides you who comment here and they deserve some credit. Although you should know I have the highest respect for you and thank you for keeping the conversations stimulating. Also some of our big investors do comment here like munti and craig. On that note I will comment to the guys to remember to comment here. They do link weekly updates here on bitcointalk and they do occasionally discuss new recruits. As for the guy who commented "I'm done with Bay". Unless he is hoping to rebuy then why would he come by and advertise his alleged decision?! Investors come and go, if they didn't we wouldn't have the millions we do in volume. What does it accomplish to come by and say that? We are making a product, we now release things almost once or twice a month! I think what is really needed is a big thank you to the team for actually delivering physical, usable updates. 1. as a developer I don't think you will find one post on this board from me making one criticism about you. YOu will however find a lot of praise. I base the entire reason for supporting bitbay on the developer. 2. Fads are another way of saying what the people believe they want and need at the time. They pump all their investment into projects even mentioning these new latest and greatest ideas. As to dag, hashgraphs, hash matrix, bla bla all this new greater than blockchain designs ... who even knows if their benefits out weight their weaknesses as yet. However for a time anything mentioning these just got injections of 100's of millions. As you say these will probably die out again over time ready for the next fad to sweep in. Meantime xrb iota all in the billions whilst bay stuck at 70m. I see burst now added some dag to their dimaxion road map. You can be sure when people catch on to that it will start to pump. Sure some fads are not going to be possible to incorp into the design but any that are we should latch on to those and put them in the road map at once. It is simply a free boost in investment and community support. 3. I still think we should have conducted an ico when i said about it when other coins were doing the same thing... taking good projects and re stocking them with development funding and attention like lisk , komodo etc. Bay is just as good as those projects and we would have a development pot of millions of USD and a bigger community. Even particl tried it but they did it to late to have a big effect like the others who did it earlier. Also the way they did it kind of did as much damage to their community as good. 4. Good to hear the super whales are helping new development for me the development is pretty much fine but the marketing is dreadful still. I see it as only common sense that if the project offers more for the buck than any other project yet is still crushed down nearly out of the top 200 now then the marketing is not only weak it is dreadful. If we can prove this is the best project out there for the money then people will flock in to it. Munti did help bump the real projects thread and so did one or 2 others. Are we saying that the entire community is only 3 or 4 people? What are the other 1600 on slack doing apart from chatting on there? Let's bring even 50 of them to constantly post and bump bitbay threads that demonstrate clearly bitbay is the project to invest in at this time and you will see a dramatic increase in bay interest from the entire board. I start to actually believe 80% of this board are fake members or even worse. I mean if you post a thread challenging the entire board to ID real projects with just a few criteria to meet and you get nothing ? I mean literally no other projects were added except like 2 or 3 other than the first ones I listed myself after 9000 views? So out side of the top 10 there are only 8 real projects as defined by the criteria in the OP? Well if that is true (and the top 10 is riddled with manipulated scams anyway) then why is bay community not pushing that thread to stay on page 1 full time? I mean if even just a large slice of all new investment was directed to those (and bay is the top listed project) bay would be way way way more popular than it is now. I do not see how the bitbay marketing team has not realised that the main board on this forum is just like pure gold and totally free? all it takes is a bit of effort. As to all these other posters that are promoting bay on this board can you direct me to their posts? I would like to perhaps collaborate with these people to get a solid thread going for bitbay and keep it active full time. I mean I am scanning this board for hours most days and I have missed these other posts it seems. There was one good comparison thread between sys and bay and that was good and got us some attention. However i consider such a thread to usually sadly decend into a war between the 2 projects even though we try to keep it factual and civil. Both of those are good projects so turning it to a battle is not always the best way forward . I think highlighting bay in amongst other good projects is by far the best way demonstrating all meet the criteria of having good dev teams that have already produced software that delivers. If you try and highlight bay alone that is just a spam really all real projects must be included and bay has nothing to fear from being in such company i think bay is still very strong up against even the other real projects here. 5. those people saying they are done with bay of course are just frustrated and us long term holders from the original ico (not sure how many original holders are still active) have seen the project constantly updating and going forward and realise the time scale needed to actually code out working software and features compared to marketing these features in a future road map that will never happen. Sadly most new investors do not realise that whitepapers and roadmaps are not the same as designing and coding it out and what you can SAY your project will have can take YEARS to design and code out. That is something that needs pushing in their face 24/7 on the main board. We not only need to highlight bitbay has working functioning software. We need to highlight that many many projects way above us do NOT have and are NOT anywhere near to having functioning designs and even IF they do ever have them these designs are not even battle tested and proven to have any real benefits over what we already have. If people on this board were more educated in their selection of projects you would see most investment going to bitbay and a handful of other projects. |
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