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2501  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Running a 16 Pins S5 blade in a 18 Pins controller? on: October 25, 2015, 07:34:53 PM
I remember reading it as well.. Looking at the pinout from the Back side of the board Pin 1 is the square pad on the Right. I am pretty certain the the additional pins are at the LH end.

Will check again later, but must go out now....




Ok here you go. I have put together a picture and edited the text above to match.  Smiley

Top is the 18 Pin, below it is the 16 Pin. The additional pins are on the left, the rest are marked the same on both. What they do I do not know? May be somthing to do with the additional "reset button" we gained on the 18 Pin controller?


Rich

Thank you very much for redoing the work. I'll bookmark this one as reference if someone in the future ask the same question again. Smiley

I'll perhaps receive the blade and the cables in the following week. I'll take pics of me taking a cable to the saw and post if it works.
2502  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH on: October 25, 2015, 06:01:01 AM
Sounds like they may be releasing it to compete with the Avalon6 that is suppose to come in at 3.5 Th and $310/Th.  Specs can be found here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon6

3.65@1100w at the wall?

I'll take the S7's 4.86@1185w measured at my wall

At 310$/TH yeah, thats not great. Need some sort of incentive to go for them instead of sticking with Bitmain at the moment. The format seem more interesting than the S7 but Its definitively not worth the step up from S5 to Avalon6 at that price.
2503  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This Might Sounds Strange: Bitcoin Violates the Principle of Money Fungibility on: October 25, 2015, 05:36:19 AM
I don't know....I may be out of line, but it seems like the question of fungibility with bitcoin could provide some possible solutions to some of its problems.  How many people have been scammed and had no recourse for which to get retribution?  Would a scammer be less likely to scam if he knew his scammed coin would be blacklisted?  Very interesting conversation, indeed.

There is no central authority, so the only way to make this happen is if its accepted by consensus. Seeing how hard it is to get consensus even on important things, and how abusable a blacklist being enforced could be in the wrong hand...

It simply will not happen.
2504  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Running a 16 Pins S5 blade in a 18 Pins controller? on: October 25, 2015, 01:02:35 AM
So i asked previously in the S5 thread but received no replies. I am wondering i anyone knows the answer to this?;

Quote
So, i'm wondering, is the 16 pins pinout otherwise the same as the 18 pins. In short i'm wondering about running a 16pins blade into a 18pins controller safely. I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that it was done, can't find it now, so i'm wondering on how to do it safely.

Anyone knows?

Any information would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Smiley

I seem to recall a post saying it works. As to finding it I think it is on the big s-5 thread.

Hmm, thats a lot of posts to sift through. I'm pretty sure it work too but i'd guess you still need to respect the pinout. Not sure if its the first 16 pins or the last 18 pins or which one is even considered Pin1.

I may give it a try if no one has the answer over the weekend.
2505  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Unconfirmed transaction on: October 25, 2015, 01:01:01 AM
Calculating transaction size each time you want to send one can be tedious, setting fees in the wallet settings could lead you to spending more than needed.

If you're not sure about what to do, I think it's worth mentioning that there are some easy to use wallets that will automatically handle fees for you. Coinbase for example, whilst not the most "respectful" wallet when it comes to freedom, doesn't even require you to pay any transaction fees at all. The downside is that your account might get closed if you do "illegal transactions" so avoid using it if you're concerned about your privacy and your transactions are of questionable legality.  

I use Mycelium wallet and set the miner fee to normal or High priority.
The transaction was from someone else. I lend some coins and expecting that I will get it sooner because I really need at the moment(that's why I lend). Now I just want to know until when do I have to wait for it to be confirmed. Will it take days or something? Sad

40 minutes to infinity, that's what the math says. Personal experience I have tells me it could take up to a few hours. If you're unlucky it'll take more. If the sender has bitcoin core installed and synced he could reverse the transaction while it's still unconfirmed. That's gonna take extra effort though. Here's a guide anyway

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231309.0

Thats a very low fee. I did one with similar fee and it took 1 week to confirm. The transactions being cancelled and returned in 48hours... i never seen that happen. But yeah this is probably going to take a while.
2506  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New to Bitcoin, Having Issue with Wallet on: October 24, 2015, 09:47:51 PM
I'm using the EasyCoin wallet. Whenever I click send I am brought to the "sendbtc.php" page and nothing happens. Am I doing something wrong? How do I fix this?

You are going to go get a real wallet;

Go here = https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

Stick to those. Thank me later. Smiley
2507  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This Might Sounds Strange: Bitcoin Violates the Principle of Money Fungibility on: October 24, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
Do you see anyone having problem buying or accepting the Bitcoins sold by the FBI? No. Do you see exchanges using some sort of blacklist database considering BTC as bad? No.

Do you see some sort of centralized authority that track and detect all BTC used in criminal activity? No. And wait, its not even possible to detect/enforce, since bitcoin does not have a centralized authority.

So unless you have actionable example of your super project that isint even possible in the first place (Its effectively impossible to detect which BTC has been used for anything you mentioned or not, its impossible to enforce, etc) then we can safely say that we're at no risk.

There just is no way for a company to dedicate billions of USD trying to track and tag every single transaction ongoing when there's not even a way to consistently connect the BTC to a crime or even an identity.

TLDR; Its fungibility, even though its not even relevant with BTC, is assured because there is not way to say whether the BTC was obtained legally or illegally. Especially when you take into account how easily it is to mix BTC.

Bitcoins sold by the US gov would drop off any such blacklist and be considered clean again.

http://www.blacklistedbitcoins.com/
Fair enough, individual bitcoins or satoshis cannot be blacklisted, but addresses can. I also doubt the cost of creating such blacklisting services would be anywhere near millions of dollars, never mind billions. So it's not true fungibility problems, but it creates perceived fungibility problems.

I think the only solution to this issue is private, untraceable transactions by default. Transparent transactions should be optional somehow, maybe on a side chain.


The problem is that, if the coins are *actually* dirty, they will certainly be moved and sent through loop. Split and spent, mixed. Its not just blacklisting an address, its keeping tracks of where they were, are and going.

Let say i have 10k of BTC that was at one point dirty, there is no way to know if i'm the second holder, third, fourth, etc.

I send them to an exchange and we already know there is no problem doing this. At which point, did i just make all the exchange's coin dirty? No.

Because there is no way to know who sent in and who receive out, you would have to black list all the coins which is not going to happen, at which point you're forced to accept all the coins.

So yes you would need some super spy agency like NSA that ignore country boundaries and forcefully keep tract exactly how BTC transaction are internally (in the exchange) handle to "keep" track.

Its not something you can do by looking at the blockchain.
2508  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This Might Sounds Strange: Bitcoin Violates the Principle of Money Fungibility on: October 24, 2015, 06:22:12 PM
I'm reposting this here as I believe it is relevant:


I love bitcoin and what it was created to be. But in light of the ability for regulatory authorities to ban or blacklist specific coins that have a certain address history association personally I see bitcoin as losing its fungibility in that respect.

Sure "Bitcoin is not the problem" is one way of looking at it, but other side of the argument is that "why not just fix that issue by disallowing transactions to be tracked by default and just have privacy features on by default?"

We know the answer: Too much opposition to changing the core protocol allow that to happen.

So the argument has those two sides...

SIDE A: Bitcoin is broken via fungibility because one can discriminate some coins to be accepted vs others based on block chain analysis.

SIDE B: Bitcoin is not broken and the financial system and businesses who choose to discriminate certain coins from being spent/exchanged in 3rd party businesses are broken (and the problem).

Two sides and probably both right in their own respect.

Although the arguments and sides exist it doesn't change the fact that businesses/govt/individuals can discriminate from accepting certain coins based on block chain analysis of their respective histories.

We have to remember that bitcoin does exist in this current world no matter how much we disagree with TPTB or the broken legacy monetary system. As long as that type of system exists there will be some issues concerning discriminating against accepting certain coins from certain addresses.

THOUGHT SCENARIO EXERCISE DEALING WITH COIN DISCRIMINATION
This thought experiment is to merely be just that an experiment and is not intended to give people ideas on what to do or not do in certain scenarios

You are an average joe looking to trade cash for bitcoins or some object like (gold coin) for bitcoins. Assuming you know each of the possible scenarios are true below.

BOB has bitcoins he wants to trade/exchange with you.

Which scenarios below would you consider not trading with BOB and discriminating against accepting his BTC for payment or trade?

Which scenarios would you trade with BOB and not discriminate against doing a trade?


BOB wants to trade you his BTC is the same person who just:

A. Robbed an old lady of her BTC by ransacking her house then beating the crap out of her.

B. Sold Kiddie porn for BTC

C. Ordered and executed a terrorist attack on a city killing a few hundred people and was paid in BTC to do so

D. Evading taxes with BTC

E. Was paid in BTC for prositution

F. Sold illegal drugs for BTC


Now if you really think about it, people can and will discriminate if they know or suspect something has happened with those BTC.

Would you accept BTC for trade or payment knowing that one of those things happened?

Which ones would you discriminated against more than others?

This brings in different shades of discrimination. As not every person would necessarily pick all of them to discriminate against. Some might even pick all of them to discriminated against. Some possibly would not care.


Then the problem would not be "That money is bad" but it would be you not wanting you to deal with criminals, which is up to the law enforcement to catch. Or the individual to care.

Do you see anyone having problem buying or accepting the Bitcoins sold by the FBI? No. Do you see exchanges using some sort of blacklist database considering BTC as bad? No.

Do you see some sort of centralized authority that track and detect all BTC used in criminal activity? No. And wait, its not even possible to detect/enforce, since bitcoin does not have a centralized authority.

So unless you have actionable example of your super project that isint even possible in the first place (Its effectively impossible to detect which BTC has been used for anything you mentioned or not, its impossible to enforce, etc) then we can safely say that we're at no risk.

There just is no way for a company to dedicate billions of USD trying to track and tag every single transaction ongoing when there's not even a way to consistently connect the BTC to a crime or even an identity.

TLDR; Its fungibility, even though its not even relevant with BTC, is assured because there is not way to say whether the BTC was obtained legally or illegally. Especially when you take into account how easily it is to mix BTC.
2509  Economy / Speculation / Re: In your opinion, what price point is "Da moon"? on: October 24, 2015, 06:01:09 PM
Considering the market cap of the internet is roughly 30624.3B, I would say if we reach 1% of that, it's 306B equating to  14.5k per coin @ 21 million coins.


Considering if infrastructure and scalability keep being developed, and the network remains decentralized, I think it's very possible.


Well I don't necessarily believe that the network is really "decentralized" today... it once was back during early adoption, but now with the high costs of setting up proper mining hardware/cooling and how much memory it takes on your computer to have the latest "full node" running on your computer; centralization of the network is happening every day. 

Especially since a couples of pools have more than half the total network's hashrate. Everyone flock to the biggest pools instead of segmenting the hashrate properly. Bitcoin would be better off if we could split the hashrate into many pools of 5-10PH/s.
2510  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Avalon 6 Vs Antminer S7, which one you will choose? on: October 24, 2015, 05:56:57 PM

Well full speed seem to be for 38C intake.

Unless you run it in a sauna

 I must live in a sauna in the summertime - 38C is only about 94F and we see higher temps than that routinely here about every summer, and often with high humidity.

 I'm really looking forward to the MUCH drier climate in Central Washington when I get to do my planned move....


We hit 40C+ here regularly during summer, with humidex, but the machines is only affected by the actual temperature, so even though it was nearly 50c with humidex inside my apartment, the machines were still running fine although at full blast with the fans.

So there should not be many places in the north where its all that hot for a major part of the year.
2511  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS - Antminers, Block Erupter Cubes, BFLs and BTCGarden blades on: October 24, 2015, 05:47:22 PM
Yikes. Crazy price on the S2.

I bought one locally for $100 with the PSU included.

My price is crazy?  No, the price you paid was CRAZY low. Good catch I have to say!

Going by what I see them advertised for and then selling on Craigslist and on Ebay, at an ASKING price of $200 an S2, I'm right in the average price range. But ALSO, my price is an ASKING price.... a purchaser can negotiate.

However, I'm not so certain that I want to sell them or recycle them though. I had a mad scientist moment last night and farted around with some clockrates, voltages, components and whatnot... at one point I had an S2 running at roughly 0.6W / GHs for an hour, stable. Obviously the hashrate was lower than 1TH but it was more efficient than in the factory configuration and using the coinwarz calculator, if I had a power supply that could handle continuous use (I have a lab supply that I adjusted lower than 12vdc), I would be able to pull a profit again with these using my home electricity. I had to abruptly stop the testing because I was starting to smell my power supply cooking.

Now, if you rent an office or storage unit for $100 - $200 that has electricity included in the rent, ( That what I was doing with these S2's, they just came home after my lease expired ), you automatically pull a profit. At my asking price, with no modifications, stock 200Mhz config, running 4 of the S2's, ROI for the purchaser is less than 6 months. Try to lock in a 1yr or 2r lease and there you go...

That is probably what these S2's are good for now ... find the free energy and you have your beer money for the month.

BUT, if I can get consistent better efficiency with the changes that I'm making, I think I'll keep them and make a "How to" article ....  How to say The S2 .... IT'S ALIVE!

Maybe that was the case one month ago, but now for 200$ you can almost start picking up S5's so it doesn't really matter what kind of scenario you play out and tell others they can ROI in 6 months.

You can buy S3's and ROI them in 3 months and they will last longer since they have better efficiency.

To top it off, your S2's does not even come with a PSU.
2512  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Need help identifying a bitcoin miner on: October 24, 2015, 03:16:56 AM
I got a bitcoin miner and i dont really know what i have.so please if anyone knows what this is .let me know

Look like a very old block erupter blade setup. What does it do? 200gh at 600+ watts? Thats is one old antiquity.
2513  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Network mining on: October 24, 2015, 01:38:57 AM
I just posted this in the main bitcoin forum. I have no interest in the other alt currencies as I do not trust them yet. I have been told that with given the size of my network, I should be able to equal the dedicated hardware, though with more computers. I would just like to give it a shot. If you're just going to tell me it's nit worth it, please don't bother. As I stated, I would like advice on the questions I asked previously.  Thank you.

I don't think you understand. You can't. It would take 100 000 top gen CPU to mine at the same speed as a low GH-range ASIC that itself doesn't earn anything. We're talking in Peta or Tera hash here, while you want to bring Kilo hash that will be summed up to somewhere between High Mega and Low GH range. My 140GH miner earn me a quarter per day.

Easiest way to go through with this plan would be to change the PXE boot image the network boot from, then changing it back to what it need to be and trigger a global restart.

You can have a scheduler start and stop the miner.
2514  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Application to monitor a large number of ant's on: October 24, 2015, 12:19:19 AM
Hi,


Since www.minerlink.com is vaporware, can anyone recommend a good tool to manage ant's? If I have to compile from source I am good, so any suggestions?

I would like something that will allow me to change settings across s5's and s7's with the ability to change pools or frequencies.

Any suggestions are appreciated and thanks in advance!


Ufo

Personally, i use MMM. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596178.0

Later on i found out about Cryptolance's software, after i had direct dealing with him;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569924.0

When i'm done with MMM, i will probably check out Cryptolance's next.
2515  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Network mining on: October 24, 2015, 12:15:35 AM
I own a small business with a decent size network, about 45 terminals. I am looking to make some extra profit by using the network to mine bitcoins during non-office hours. I would like a way to install the software to the server and have it "push" it to each of the terminals, as this seems to be the fastest way to do it, instead of manually installing on each terminal. So, I have several questions that I would like help with, if anyone can:

1. How can I load the mining software into the server and have it push it to the terminals, then link it all for mining?
2. How do I set it up on a timer so it starts around 6:30 pm, and ends around 7:00 am, each day?
3. If pushing to workstatons is not possible, how do I just setup the network servers to do the mining?

If anyone can help me with these questions, I would appreciate it. I would even be willing to tip some of the proceeds once I get it running and the company makes a bit of extra money. Thank you for your time.

You can't mine Bitcoin this way. This is probably another thread belonging to the Alt coin section. Since its what happened with the previous identical threads from today.
2516  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS - Antminers, Block Erupter Cubes, BFLs and BTCGarden blades on: October 24, 2015, 12:14:43 AM
Well, I couldn't get the pictures to display with the message, but I included the links to the pictures

Right click the actual image on dropbox and click copy url link, for example this work;

Code:
[img]https://photos-5.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAm9lEhmJfE_FARcza7KJrYB2NYG32CiNeDRGRxGoqAUQ/12/80802020/jpeg/32x32/1/1445644800/0/2/ant2.jpg/COThwyYgASACIAMgBSAHKAI/m1WfAfxGr_LrltgJ0dym7tJgWKlrfKpsWG5YRDu3GFE?size_mode=5[/img]

Ok, I did that with the first image and it still does not work.... hmmmmm


You might have to left click it first to go through the zoom resolution. Here is the direct url for the first image, you can use it if you have issues obtaining it;

https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/2/AAATIfb0_nLBPQARFhr4eiVGGDjCUUyk_aYcQXUirf7Nnw/12/80802020/jpeg/32x32/1/1445652000/0/2/ant1.jpg/COThwyYgASACIAMgBSAHKAI/JVvEzguGh6_Q9Abe5qS1UA_OEPMrJP1oNRWLn3j0FhQ?size_mode=5
2517  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BM1384 Pod Miner plus trade-in/recycling - an interest and feasibility poll on: October 23, 2015, 11:09:14 PM
I think I finally have the pod PCB finished. It's going to need to be verified (this thing is easily the most complex PCB I've ever laid out) and it looks like I need to draw up a BM1384 test board with a QFN socket and also verify Novak's newest project PCB before sending out for prototypes. If we put 'em all on one order we save on shipping, you understand.

In any case, it's almost sandwich time and whatnot so it won't get done today but it might get done tomorrow.

The pod PCB is 10x15cm and has both 3- and 4-wire fan headers, each with its own PWM implemented so you can use pretty much any kind of computer fan ever made. Also tach signals are hooked up so it should report fan speed. The onboard micro will be able to measure and modify on-the-fly your VRM voltage, and it can measure the output current. Power comes in from a barrel jack and a 6-pin PCIe, and we've got both USB-B and USB-mini jacks. All in all, it should be pretty flexible. Heck, I may go ahead and add LGA775 holes for the heck of it.

Is there or is it possible to have some sort of fan or temperature protection? For instance the stick does not have a temp sensor so if its clocked high and has a fan, no problem. If it does not, its going to melt.

Not too bad on a USB stick but the pod start being a bit more pricy and worth protecting, imo.

Really with giving us so much possibility on how fast to push them, I think it's kinda up to customer not to melt it.  We will be given a certain spec and we will buy our own coolers.  If you push it to a point it melts.. you went to far.

Most I think will watch pretty close and be able handle knowing if you OC to far you can damage gear.   When you give people so much versatility on speed it's kinda up to them not to push it to hard I think.   As likely there will be a big difference of CPU coolers people choose to use, some much better then others.

I understand what you are saying, but its possible for the fan to fail and stop. At which point it does not really matter how far you pushed it, even just running at "standard" speed, the chips would probably overheat.

I don't mean to implement a idiot proof protection, just if the fan suddenly go dead, turn off the miner, or something. It could be done software side fairly easily, i believe. In that case asking Novak(?) might be the better idea?
2518  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How I Make $5,234Month With Bitcoin - No Trading & Mining on: October 23, 2015, 10:50:34 PM
Don't be idiots, it won't be legitimate, especially without trading or mining because that's mostly how you make Bitcoin as of now unless you have a popular product to sell. I think the majority of the time the people who make these scam videos are making money precisely off people who pay them to tell them how to do it. Then of course they'll fuck off and disappear when they get the amount they want.

Of course not. Or kinda can be. But its typically something like. "Give me 200$ so i can teach you how to get others to give you 200$ to teach them to get 200$ from others." Its just teaching others how to teach others to rip off the next in line.

Share some resemble with a pyramid scheme.
2519  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: How are people getting Mh/s or even Gh/s on: October 23, 2015, 10:48:46 PM
Heyy there

I am wondering how people are getting sooooo many hashes, i dont understand how one can get GH/s when i get 750kh/s with a 980ti
which of course is nothing against AMD competition, but still , its a really really modern and fast GPU.
And many are saying they get 100Mh/s with a decent CPU, i got an excellent monster cpu that is cooled like a water loving shark beast

I use litecoin mining, and the scrypt mining algo , so that might be why the hash rates are so low, but as far as i know scrypt isnt thaaaat hard at the moment, BitCoin is much harder as people say.

So whats the magic behind big hash rates  ? Special gear ? Diffrent setups ? 10 GPU's ?

Also the second question is how are people getting sooo high hashrates , like 100Mh/s with day to day hardware


Thats because GPU and CPU is absolutely improper hardware to mine Bitcoin. You need dedicated ASIC that will return thousands of times more hashrate for less power.

You can read more about it here;
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ASIC
2520  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BM1384 Pod Miner plus trade-in/recycling - an interest and feasibility poll on: October 23, 2015, 10:38:40 PM
I think I finally have the pod PCB finished. It's going to need to be verified (this thing is easily the most complex PCB I've ever laid out) and it looks like I need to draw up a BM1384 test board with a QFN socket and also verify Novak's newest project PCB before sending out for prototypes. If we put 'em all on one order we save on shipping, you understand.

In any case, it's almost sandwich time and whatnot so it won't get done today but it might get done tomorrow.

The pod PCB is 10x15cm and has both 3- and 4-wire fan headers, each with its own PWM implemented so you can use pretty much any kind of computer fan ever made. Also tach signals are hooked up so it should report fan speed. The onboard micro will be able to measure and modify on-the-fly your VRM voltage, and it can measure the output current. Power comes in from a barrel jack and a 6-pin PCIe, and we've got both USB-B and USB-mini jacks. All in all, it should be pretty flexible. Heck, I may go ahead and add LGA775 holes for the heck of it.

Is there or is it possible to have some sort of fan or temperature protection? For instance the stick does not have a temp sensor so if its clocked high and has a fan, no problem. If it does not, its going to melt.

Not too bad on a USB stick but the pod start being a bit more pricy and worth protecting, imo.
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