Well, I couldn't get the pictures to display with the message, but I included the links to the pictures
Right click the actual image on dropbox and click copy url link, for example this work; [img]https://photos-5.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAm9lEhmJfE_FARcza7KJrYB2NYG32CiNeDRGRxGoqAUQ/12/80802020/jpeg/32x32/1/1445644800/0/2/ant2.jpg/COThwyYgASACIAMgBSAHKAI/m1WfAfxGr_LrltgJ0dym7tJgWKlrfKpsWG5YRDu3GFE?size_mode=5[/img] |
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70db is dissapointing . when i get one i will see if i can tweak it.
i am willing to try 3000gh rather then 3600 my hope would be to get better hash per watt.
if i get it do 800 watts and 55db i would be happy with it.
Same here definitely going to see if the back side (where the pci cables plug in) silver mounts allow screws, if so push and pull with quiet fans and lowered to keep it cool and quiet. Well full speed seem to be for 38C intake. Unless you run it in a sauna, you should be able to lower the fan speed considerably. Here in winter i can feed it 0~10C intake so i'm actually pretty excited about this. |
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I would not pay more than $300 all-up for a SP20 at this time, and would be hesitant at more than $250.
Even that would depend on my geting moved VERY soon to a very cheap electric-rate location (which isn't happening as soon as I hoped).
I wish you would use actual pricing instead of " I would not pay more than". Look at ebay lots of sales but it is going to be mid to high 300's to 400 as a general idea. Miner's do not sell for what we wish they would sale. They have a cetain value. If you did the " I would not pay more than" at your prices you would have no miners. As it happens, I haven't bought any miners for a while - as I see ZERO chance of anything current achieving RoI before the halfing and pretty much NOTHING current except perhaps the S7 for a short while will be profitable at all after tha halfing, per my current projections. If actual pricing is higher than I am willing to pay to achieve a REASONABLE CHANCE OF ROI, that just means most of the market isn't doing projections of RoI based on what I class as reasonable projections, or possibly some folks have a TON better electric rates than I have - or the most likely cause, inertia leading to failure to adjust pricing to what is really fair by current standards. There is nothing new about "market pricing" being higher than reasonable. or price adjustments being slow to respond to external changes, or a market going with "optimism for the future" instead of paying attention to current conditions. Try watching the Dow Jones over the last 5 years - crazy high levels of stock price increases while the economy as a whole is barely recovering from the Great Recession and most corporations are NOT actually doing all that much better overall. Mining right now is lower profit than it pretty much has ever been, BTC pricing has been edging up lately but NOT enough to match recent difficulty increases - and the only reason diff increases haven't been higher for the last month I suspect to be the shipping delays BitMain has been having on the already-sold S7s. Your opinion may vary. Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate. etc. With your current pricing in mind I don't think your purchasing will change in the near future. I don't see miners fitting in your ROI very often with current prices on rigs. I think we have greatly different way's to obtain what value of miners. I like market vs should be priced. If it was should be I would have a bunch more S7's. But they did not meet my ROI for largscale so I did not go crazy. So I guess we look at most of it different but have a little common ground. The price IS good. I think people tend to compare it to the MtGox bubble, not understanding that the value was artificially inflated by displaying fake transactions. As such overall, this is a great time to mine, where i live, the cost of running a S5 is about 20%~26% of its revenue. As such, SP20 at 300$ if it can be run at full speed would be a GREAT deal, without doubt. The difficulty does not seem to be jumping high and the price is slowly trickling up. The SP20 has also great volt control, so its possible to gain greater efficiency fairly easily, prolonging its lifetime. |
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Edit: The user contacted me, he apparently changed his mind. He refunded the difference.Related Bitcoinware user; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=228103The story in short; on Date 09/28/2015( source here) i placed an order for a P3 Kill A Watt (30$). I ordered extra stuff to get the free xpress shipping since i needed this urgently. Without contacting me, they instead sent me a cheaper Rosewill RHSP-13001 (18$) and proceed to tell me its fine, Rosewill is top quality, etc etc. (See e-mail transcript later) Then for 1 months with lengthy delay before reply, we wush wash around a resolution, in the end i ask them to just refund me the difference between the P3 and the cheap unit, and they flat out refuse, instead offer me a 10% discount that is already available easily and offer to sell me a S3 for 170CAD which is about $130USD. So their resolution to scamming me is ripping me off more. Genius.Today i had a live chat discussion on their website. Transcript; -Hello, this is about #1513 where you sent me the wrong item, the resolution is taking forever +Hello, how may I assist you? -You sent me the wrong item on purpose because your 30$ P3 wattmetter is out of stock, you sent me a rosewill that you and i can get for 18$ shipped, refund the 12$ difference please +Hi, sorry for the issue. You can return the unused, unopened item for the refund. +If you want the $12 store credit, we can do that also. +Please see the reply to your emails. thanks -You already or whoever replied already told me to just use it, and i did -You still made a mistake and charged me for it -Send the difference here 14wp2VAFJPMMJgvAG58SVg51t9cDWy6PrJ +Sorry, once the item used, it can not be returned. +We offer you a store credit as a courtesy, and discount for next order. best regards, -I don't want it return, i want you to cover the difference from the items At this point the "operator" no longer replies (beside generic thank you, bitcoinware blala), but i mention something about not being worth my time and just posting this on Bitcointalk to warn other users.Screenshots; Full screen showing their page and the chat box; https://i.imgur.com/b4AeLcs.pngFull conversation; https://i.imgur.com/vX5j00X.pngI am going to add a pastebin link of all the emails exchanges but just this conversation show that he knowledge their mistake and refuse to compensate. From the start,i had to open and use the unit because it was urgent, and knowing that it seem they dicked around and made me wait hoping i would just give up. In the end they did not even want to cover the difference. But he get what he wanted, i give up getting the difference back. My lawyer told me that even though it would be possible to send him a legal notice, the amount is so minimal that its not really worth the time and she is right. But hopefully this might save a few people some trouble.To the best of my abilities, a transcript of discussion with Bitcoinware "support"; Click here~The best part is obviously when they try to sell me a S3 as compensation for twice its value.
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BUYER BEWARE: Please use extreme caution when attempting to engage in an exchange with this person. They are known to sell units which have been highly used to mine previously. They may be known by any of the following aliases: -BitcoinWare -Canada's Crypto-Mining Source -Morgan Rozender -blazingoat -Blazingoat Productions As of March 10th 2015, I have an ongoing dispute which this person or entity. They have sold me units which were (2) SP20 Jacksons that were advertised as new by when received they were clearly previously used to mine for a long period of time. I have been and still am persistently asking that they kindly refund my money and take the used units back. They have stated that they are not open to my request, and they will not take or return my phone calls. Getting their phone number was not very easy to begin with. They say that all they can do is file an insurance claim with the shipping courier and replace one of the units which they say was damaged during shipping. They wish to file this claim despite the fact that the boxes arrived in flawless condition. They also have claimed that the units they sold me were not used, that they were only tested for a few hours at the most to make sure they are in working order before shipment, and otherwise in brand new condition. From the pictures I have provided it is very clear that the units were used at high load for weeks, if not months. For pictures and the public record of my case please refer to the following link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985885BitcoinWare, I still have the units in the condition which you have sent them to me and I would still simply like a refund for them and for you to take them back. Again: BE EXTREMEY CARFUL IF YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT PURCHASING FROM THIS PERSON OR COMPANY. They are NOT outright honest about their products. Warning, Bitcoinware has started blatantly scamming their customers, so posting here in a old thread warrant warning anyone that may come up with this store through this thread. The comment from the above user seem rather legitimate now, especially since the OP has never logged in since. Maybe its time we warn others that if they deal with this company, they might very well end up getting scammed, on top of being ripped off. I am uploading all proofs now, that will be displayed for anyone to who wish to know what may happen if they deal with Bitcoinware.net I will link to the scam accusation thread shortly. Spend safely. |
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Yes, by being VAT-free it means that no extra taxes are incurred for purchases using bitcoin.
I didn't read it that way. "Exempt from VAT" means you don't need to pay VAT when you buy bitcoin from a shop or an exchange. It does not mean you do not need to pay VAT on a good/service and settle payment with bitcoin. It really just mean Bitcoin exchanges won't be taxed, effectively making obtaining BTC a horrible deal because of the taxed markup. Definitively a good step for Bitcoin as a whole, but its nothing as fancy as "tax-free" bitcoin earning. |
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I don't understand. Which applications? All of the Bitcoin software you can download from official Web sites. You can check them for viruses on www.virustotal.com. Use virustotal and use only developers/officials apps websites. Never 3rd party ones. Is this Virustotal is a reliable source for detecting any virus on the downloading applications? I have not heard about their services. But I guess it would be more useful when we mistakenly download applications from the wrong sites. i prefer hitmanpro and especially, malwarebyte which is a beast, for now it worked always perfectly virustotal is full of false positive, unless you have all result in red or at least the majority Thats how Virustotal works, its most likely just false positive until many agree it is a virus and they detect the same thing, instead of generic code bullcrap. It lets you run it by quantity to verify if its false positive or not. For whats of running on your own computer, Malwarebyte is definitively a beast. Avira if you really need anti virus and annoying webprotection and ZoneAlarm for two-way firewall. |
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sorry guys, on avalon6S, my major design goal is to lower the cost and keep it stable & reliable at the same time. look, most of your attention is price, price, price. how can i waste any more cents on user expreiences?  ng Only some few ones shout price price price. Look, there are 3 pages following mentioned "price " dozens of times. So I'm right.  The picture you got is a prototype. Final product will be natural steel color, not painted. About noise, I just did a short test in my lab. It's ~70db @ 1M, full fan speed (~3800rpm), include a noisy server PSU. Air in-take temp is ~ 30C, board temp is ~ 72C. Will significantly lower the noise by lower the fan rpm, but the ambient temperature should be low. In this design, I leave the fan out of the case, in order to change the fan fast. This is a very important feature for large facilities. About price and delivery plan, I will not announce business information here. But I think there will no long wait.Thanks for the update! That is great to hear not long. A lot of us are excited to hear more about it. Happy to see you reading the forum  . And there will be fan speed control! Thats just great, it might be the next miner i will start picking up if its easier to chew down that forking over 2k for a S7. Sound like it will be possible to make it run pretty quiet, though it will not be as quiet as the 4.1 I hope we'll be able to fit 2 fans on it too. |
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I would consider that we have gotten to the moon with the price of $50,000 per coin. Also general sentiment in this case scenario should be that everybody are talking about Bitcoin and using it, I mean the masses.
This would be to the moon for me!
A market cap of 1 Trillion, well, that would be nice but thats simply impossible. Maybe we'll get there in our lifetime but, at this point its just wishful thinking. |
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Hi, newbiez, pros, advanced I need coin. Can do whatever you need. Internet, forums, whatever things. Please sir, write me or PM. Waiting for work Try make a thread in market place explaining your skills you might get some work. If you're going to tell him that, it could be a good idea to point him the right place to post that, or this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0The Services board. Might be possible if OP accept Escrow, otherwise good luck. |
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Hey. Well the thing is i won't be buying bitcoins from circle. I already have bitcoins. Will be transferring bitcoin from my wallet to circle then transfer it to my bank of america. There is no fee to go from circle to bank of america correct?
Like i said, i'm From Canada. And that means i never heard of "Bank of America" over here. I very much doubt its free, since the service in the first place cost money, but who knows, maybe someone else is paying the bill. But its sure as hell not free when i did it, even though they say its a free service. The conversion rate was horrible. If Bank of America is exempt, that would be cool but i see no mention of it after looking through their pages. |
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It actually is pretty good right now. Those of us who made profit at 230... a bump like 270 even is a nice little bump for us. So the trick is being able to handle low priced mining times.
And the good news is all of the BTC you mined and did not use to pay electricity for example has today's value so your holdings can go up a decent amount as far as USD in just a few weeks.
So you are saying that you turn your mining equipment to half capacity when price is low, and full capacity when price is high? Thats a good strategy. Or, mine always for maximum capacity, but only dump the coins at high price? This is riskier. The problem is that difficulty is going up, electricity cost going up, and you need new mining equipment that doesnt ROI for months, to keep up the capacity. It is though, but doable. Better always mine full speed, you might end up losing more from not mining than from mining more efficiently. Of course its understandable if you need to pay electricity bill from your BTC earning, but if thats the case, your electricity rate is probably too high to be mining anyways. At least thats how i see it for home miners. The problem with this is that some miners under clock nicely. I have normal electricity nothing special. And I do pay for electricity so if under clocking brings me more money, I do it. For example my Avalon 4.1, SP20's are all running under clock as they do it very well and I can run at most efficient electricity. Running full speed sounds nice but unless free electricity for most it will not work. You would have a huge headroom before you need to overclock when you're paying 0.04$/kWh. I can understand that people that pay 0.1$/kWh+ already need to start undervolting their S5 equivalent hardware to remain profitable, but i tell myself that if thats the case, you probably should not be mining at home in the first place. For instance at the local rate, S3's are still nicely profitable, and since they are undervoltable much more easily than with the S5, its going to remain profitable long into the post S7 phase. I talk of 0.04$ and 0.1$ so there is probably a middle ground where some fine tuning bring more profits, but i never actually ran the numbers on profitability of 0.5J/GH vs 0.7J/GH at various levels in-between. Cloud services obviously know this and they slap their hosting cost at the point in between where they are guaranteed profits and their investors are likely to break even, after a long time, but not much profit will be achieved. |
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what fees are you speaking of with circle? Was told theres no fees at all when transferring bitcoins from circle to say bank of america. Was told if doing it with coinbase, its 1 percent. So for example with $1000, it cost $10 with coinbase but no cost with circle. So this is incorrect?
lol. Circle would take nearly 20$ in "processing fees" when i would buy 500$ in BTC, which is 4% fee. Then its considered a fund advance and you get additional fee on your credit card too. Maybe Circle work differently in the US. The exchange rate is or was also lower than what you'd get from a real exchange. The only upside of Circle was... quick sign up, few minutes later i got my Bitcoin. But i sure paid lots of fees. |
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So people have always stated that they are going to wait until the price of bitcoin reaches some magical price point which represents "Da moon" to sell out their bitcoins... So my question(s) is this:
1) What price is "Da moon"?
2) How will you know you have gotten there?
3) Will it be worth it to cash out when it hits that point in your opinion? If it truly helps you out purchasing goods in an easy and convenient way, would you really consider "cashing out" for that big paycheck for the bitcoins you hold, just to go back to the same ol' mundane fiat system that we all left?
I'd say 10k USD. At that point its overtaking all other payment processors and credit services. It become the global electronic currency, everything has to shape around it or die. At that point BTC achieve an economic revolution.Of course long before we get to 10k i'll have cashed out some to pay for some better quality of life. But anyone who already is setup in term of BTC income is set. That might take a long time to happen, however. So wouldn't that make my point clear in question #3, that it would be pointless to sell out for such a price point, because bitcoin has overtaken credit card companies, banks, and other things that relate to fiat payment systems? Why would you want to cash out to something that is going to be meaningless? I would imagine at that time, you will be able to fund your new found "quality" life you are striving for in the first place, mainly by bitcoins at that point... so there would be no need to "cash out" necessarily... right? Cash out sound kind of vague to me. Since i mine, have investments and do other activities that return some lesser amount of BTC. Even if i sell out all my BTC i still have the income. My end goal would be a good quality of life of passive BTC income. If you don't actually do anything with BTC other than hold. Then i don't know. I'm guessing holding the BTC and just selling what you need for your monthly expenses would be best. But thats only if you don't know how to make money with money. At least at that point, holding BTC would be good since it would be a great store of value + deflationary. The best would be to invest it. Even with BTC, money is best making more money. The worse you could do is turn it into FIAT and hold it. |
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It actually is pretty good right now. Those of us who made profit at 230... a bump like 270 even is a nice little bump for us. So the trick is being able to handle low priced mining times.
And the good news is all of the BTC you mined and did not use to pay electricity for example has today's value so your holdings can go up a decent amount as far as USD in just a few weeks.
So you are saying that you turn your mining equipment to half capacity when price is low, and full capacity when price is high? Thats a good strategy. Or, mine always for maximum capacity, but only dump the coins at high price? This is riskier. The problem is that difficulty is going up, electricity cost going up, and you need new mining equipment that doesnt ROI for months, to keep up the capacity. It is though, but doable. Better always mine full speed, you might end up losing more from not mining than from mining more efficiently. Of course its understandable if you need to pay electricity bill from your BTC earning, but if thats the case, your electricity rate is probably too high to be mining anyways. At least thats how i see it for home miners. |
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So people have always stated that they are going to wait until the price of bitcoin reaches some magical price point which represents "Da moon" to sell out their bitcoins... So my question(s) is this:
1) What price is "Da moon"?
2) How will you know you have gotten there?
3) Will it be worth it to cash out when it hits that point in your opinion? If it truly helps you out purchasing goods in an easy and convenient way, would you really consider "cashing out" for that big paycheck for the bitcoins you hold, just to go back to the same ol' mundane fiat system that we all left?
I'd say 10k USD. At that point its overtaking all other payment processors and credit services. It become the global electronic currency, everything has to shape around it or die. At that point BTC achieve an economic revolution. Of course long before we get to 10k i'll have cashed out some to pay for some better quality of life. But anyone who already is setup in term of BTC income is set. That might take a long time to happen, however. |
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But most secure in the sense not vulnerable from cyber attack or system crash.
To solve system crash, we must need multiple back ups.
To prevent attack or hacking, we must go with strong encryption with long multi-character set password.
And opensource + audited software, your passwords is not worth anything if you have a tampered software or a keylogger. Depending on how its setup, the best protection here, beside the usual anti-malware, would be a two way firewall. Normally windows let outgoing connection go out no problem, which means its very easy for a infected computer to send out your personal information. With a two way firewall, its much harder. |
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I`ve never seen a clock like that, but its possible. However if the burglar comes equipped with metal detector, he can detect any precious stuff in there. Actually, beside old schools, no one use those, its way too obvious and the metal detector wont detect a stack of bills, and it would already react to the clock itself somewhat. Either way, its not a very good idea. But the sliding floor though, thats not bad at all. |
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Get a cheap pc/laptop that never see the internet. Install a wallet via usb
But if you choose only that way then it can be unsafe. Because if this pc stops working and you don't have any other backup then you already have lost the bitcoins. At least 2-3 backups you should have, 1 usb, 1 paper wallet, 1 pc/laptop etc.. also the fact that everytime you need to spend your coins you would need to start up your laptop, meaning if you go outside and find a merchant that accepts bitcoin you wouldnt be able to pay them because your laptop would be at time. the same logic applies for paper and usb wallets  , i like bitcoin but i dont like the fact that it needs to be locked away to be safe, You won't walk on the streets with all of your bitcoins in your wallet I guess. This is the reason why bigger mobile wallet providers offer a so called cold storage (XAPO wault, etc) next to your everyday spending wallet. It's like you only take a little amount of cash in your leather wallet in your pocket, the rest of your money is in the bank, in the safe at home or in your pillow In this case you can manage your everyday spending of your bitcoins from your mobile wallet with a lower balance and the rest of your BTC can be safe in cold storage or in phisical storage like Trezor. But most secure in the sense not vulnerable from cyber attack or system crash. To solve system crash, we must need multiple back ups. To prevent attack or hacking, we must go with strong encryption with long multi-character set password. If you want the most secure wallet, what you want is to have it on a offline computer. Does not get any better. And the wallet best suited to make signing transaction with a offline computer the easiest is Armory. You just insert usb key, and let it guide you through the process of importing and signing the transaction with the offline computer. It never connect online, so its the safest. |
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I don't understand. Which applications? All of the Bitcoin software you can download from official Web sites. You can check them for viruses on www.virustotal.com. Use virustotal and use only developers/officials apps websites. Never 3rd party ones. Is this Virustotal is a reliable source for detecting any virus on the downloading applications? I have not heard about their services. But I guess it would be more useful when we mistakenly download applications from the wrong sites. Well yes. It run through a server that run it through all the detection libraries list it display. Its not new at all, but you should not need it in the first place(for this, its actually pretty useful otherwise), if you dont download crap from shifty website. Stick to bitcoin.org and the direct links to different wallets and you'll be a-ok. |
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