Your argument makes me understand why do you side with Putin: You do not understand the difference between brute force and reason. USA nuclear attack against civilians in Hiroshima, Nagasaki ? What about agent orange usage in Vietnam ? Was it brute force or reason ? And when USA lied about mass destruction weapon in Iraq and they used depleted uranium on them ? Was it brute force or reason ? And ISRAEL, your fucking dear ISRAEL, brute force or reason ? Where are the economic sanctions against USA, you fucking hypocrites ? In my view, H & N - the countries had been at war for years. The point was to avoid even more dead, so there is a (twisted) reason to it. The fact that the bombs were used on civilian targets would today be considered a war crime and it is not the only one. If you read about other attacks on the second world war, the incendiaries dropped in Hamburg did not receive as much attention, yet they caused a similar number of victims. Agent Orange in Vietnam - Force. A war crime. USA lying on WMD - neither, it was just another lie to justify grabbing oil. All wars require a moral "cover up" or else people would not be willing to fight. Is the same with most extremist organisations, they have to convince others to die for them promising stuff or infuriating them. The war itself was brute force and based merely on commercial considerations. Please notice that only UK, Spain and Portugal supported USA war in Irak - it was an illegal war. Israel expansion is force as well. I am afraid that the reason does not assist any of the sides (IMHO). Where are the economic sanctions against USA, you fucking hypocrites ?
USA is not threating Europe. Europe is not committing acts of war against Putin's Russia. To decide that sanctions are acts of war is not reason, just a cynic justification similar to "they have WMD". |
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if putin retreats his troops without a good deal he basically openly said that he approves of the genocide of his people by random criminals and war mongerers, from the west.
in russia being against the war automatically means you support the genocide in ukraine.
i hope we get into a balanced situtation and putin opens his heart to god, and israel.
although the westen elite and its massive corruption is a big stone in the way of that.
Yet that is exactly what he has offered in the latest negotiations. It seems that everything is negotiable for him after all. Putin is not a fool nor a madman, it is an outdated product of the Soviet era. Someone who was pretty much irrelevant - a low ranking KGB delivery boy - until the USSR collapsed and managed to make a career in politics in St Petersburg by corrupting and engaging with the worst elements of the extinct Soviet regime. |
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So, let me see if I got it right. With this picture you mean that the supposed leader of the free world feels super-confy in the company of the worst dictators of the world? Is that it? Or maybe you mean that Trump would do something different like tweeting so hard that Putin would choke? Or even better, employ his tactfulness to solve this by talking? Or what would be the most likely case, kills us all in a blaze of nuclear glory thanks? No, seriously, do you think that "He" has the magic wand on all this? Or maybe you think that if the picture is big enough it solves anything? Let's try that then:  |
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I can see al the Putin's apologists want to make all the discussion about "nazi" here "nazi" there... let's open the perspective a little bit:
- Putin has ordered a list of hostile countries to be compiled. His advisors told him that it might be much much faster to make a list of "Non-hostile" countries.
- Putin has decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA.
- Putin is shelling civil targets. Please, someone out there deny this, I am eager for an excuse to post 50 photos here.
You see... there are so things that are actually relevant to this war as opposed to the lamest propaganda out here. Seriously guys, the old USSR would have never lasted a year if you guys were in the "communications" teams.
When Switzerland, Luxemburg, Israel and Turkey vote together against you, it is time to re-think your strategy.
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Is great to know how these companies have decided to act. Many others will follow, as the outrage at the aggression in the West grows and firms are felling the pressure from the consumers.
Those that have publicly states that they will keep doing business in Putin's Russia (never let a few dead stop your profit), are now going to feel the wrath of the consumers. For example Japanese UNIQLO or even a global brand such as Danone. I think we should make them understand that you cannot do business with Putin and with the (reasonably) free world.
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.. Your argument makes me understand why do you side with Putin:
That is a ridiculous assertion. That's a void statement. |
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It seems that the West will turn Ukraine into a second Afghanistan or Syria..
Instead of providing a solution by taking diplomacy, they provide more weapons which will only make the situation worse in Ukraine.
Of course! Much better to send an assortment of flowers and paradise birds that will turn away Putin's invasion forces with the help of the Unicorns and the Fairies of the Lake. The most peaceful and sensible option is my offer to buy the tanks. Nobody dies, war stops, I get some profit and maybe one day a Peace Nobel Price for finding the best solution for everyone. |
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I am so angry at this. Apparently, the EU has sent another shipment of anti-tank weapons for an accumulated total of 17,000. This means that there must be in excess of 50 antitank per each of the tanks and vehicles Putin sent. Why I am angry? Am I supporting Putin? No! I am angry because at this pace I won't be able to find any tank in good condition (nor anyone to sell it to me) as I offered in my thread: I BUY RUSSIAN TANKS - 100 USD in bitcoinDo not die for Putin. Go back home. |
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You obviously do not understand what is legally a war, and what is worse, you have not bothered to look for any conventional definition of act of war. A word of advice, sometimes using Google is fine. War - a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country. Acts of war examples: In 1974, General Assembly Resolution 3314 defined and gave some examples of aggression. Article 3 gave, as examples, invasion or attack by armed forces of a state, military occupation, bombardment against the territory of another state, blockade of ports or coasts, action of a state in allowing its territory to be used for preparing an act of aggression against a third state, and the sending of armed bands, groups, irregulars, or mercenaries to carry out acts of armed force against another state... The "legal" term of "war" is meaningless. If the country on the receiving end of sanctions decides that the sanctions make an escalation necessary, they will escalate. If Putin decides to respond to sanctions by bombing the US, there is nothing stopping him from doing so, except the consequences of said bombings to Russia. Said consequences would include retaliation on the part of the US and its allies. If Russia were to win such a conflict, there would be no mechanism in place to punish Russia for the escalation. It is unlikely that Russia would win a war against the US, so Putin is unlikely to escalate against NATO. Putin is talking tough because he is hoping that NATO countries do not want to go to war, and will be willing to back down from sanctions under the threat of war. On that, sure Putin can decide to suicide bomb US or NATO, but the matter here is that he is considering sanctions as an act of war, and they are not. Your argument makes me understand why do you side with Putin: You do not understand the difference between brute force and reason. Neither does Putin and that is why he could not conceive that Ukrainians would resist, Europe would go medieval on sanctions on his ass nor EU countries supplying weapons within days - ultimately, this could be the last lessons he learns. Well, that and also not to send troops without knowing where the fuck are they going. |
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Actually, some of these are PART of several regional governments! In the case of Brazil, these are supporters of Bolsonaro, the current president.
Brazil... Who gives a fuck about Brazil? Nobody. This is slightly less crap and random as the picture you show
Yeah it is a random picture where people dressed all soldier and shit and carrying rocket launchers and nazi flags. You are giving massive credit to a picture of a number of dumbasses that, to be honest, could have been taken anywhere at anytime. I am not sure who gives a fuck about Brazil, is just an example of how Nazis are everywhere and Putin will have plenty of work. I mean, if he is still there next month. |
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^ None of these people above are a military force funded by the government. They are random crap.
Actually, some of these are PART of several regional governments! In the case of Brazil, these are supporters of Bolsonaro, the current president. This is slightly less crap and random as the picture you show. The fact is are that the Donbas region is in conflict and that has nothing to do with Nazi ideology and the existance of pro-Putin militias in the area. Nothing to do with Nazism, just with Putin's funded separtism. |
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I can give 1000$ for these! Vintage is so in trend. |
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So Putin, the defender of the Nazi oppressed people of the world is actually imposing to another country how their constitutions should be. You just cannot take the despot mind out of a despot/. So tired of the "nazi" argument and a "nazi government" led by a jew, that I have decided to give Putin more work.... United Kingdom  Italy  Brazil  Spain (in which by the way the Nationalists are part of several regional governmetns)  Egypt  Syria (his ally)  And finally, Russia. Seems like he forgot de-nazifying his backyard first!  So.. Putin, are you now going to de-nazify the rest of the world?? Or are you actually Putinifying |
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Putin is trying to make economic sanctions an equivalent to a declaration of war. Why this is not true:
- An economic sanction does not kill people (not directly nor quickly).
- Economic sanctions mean simply that other countries do not want to trade with you. That is not fighting, is simply a effect of failing to have a successful relation with the international community.
- Economic sanctions are reversible. It is Putin's hand to take the steps to come back into the international community.
Economic sanctions are an act of war. Their intentions are to coerce those who the sanctions are being imposed on to change their ways. Obviously, sanctions are not the same as bombing a country or shooting at a country's military. Going from sanctions to actual violence is a major escalation. You obviously do not understand what is legally a war, and what is worse, you have not bothered to look for any conventional definition of act of war. A word of advice, sometimes using Google is fine. War - a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country. Acts of war examples: In 1974, General Assembly Resolution 3314 defined and gave some examples of aggression. Article 3 gave, as examples, invasion or attack by armed forces of a state, military occupation, bombardment against the territory of another state, blockade of ports or coasts, action of a state in allowing its territory to be used for preparing an act of aggression against a third state, and the sending of armed bands, groups, irregulars, or mercenaries to carry out acts of armed force against another state... You see, curiously enough, a number of acts of war were actually committed by Putin against Ukraine even before the full invasion, yet economic sanctions are not considered as such. Coercion or, better said, influencing, is everyday's business in diplomacy and international relations. Everyone would be at war if you consider tariffs and commercial restrictions an act of war. Seriously, did Putin expect to start a war of aggression in Europe without any economic consequence?? ...
he is a leader of a nazi regime,
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Oh, just drop it my, you are making a fool of yourself trying this over and over. |
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... Ukraine is obviously in a desperate situation at the moment, but arming your population with guns and molotov cocktails, and telling them they get to keep any Russian hardware they capture is quite a creative approach.
So is Russia. They have no food and equipment to give to soldiers so they're releasing them from the army and telling them to go back home. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSU1cMly1GM On the Molotov cocktails, which I believe are being renamed to "Kyiv Smoothies" (no joke), these are supercheap weapons that are absolutely useless against any more or less modern tank. However they are great at keeping the crews inside their vehicles, which reduces their visibility of the environment and makes them prone to walk into bigger problems. Also, armoured personnel carriers and older tanks are actually a bit more susceptible to cocktails and can actually be disabled or temporary stopped by one. Oh, for the Russian soldiers, I am not buying a tank or armoured vehicle that is burned or has got hit by a Molotov, a Javelin or an MLAW (nor a drone, nor an RPG) which is likely to happen if you continue ahead. Sell it now or forget 'bout it. Do not die for Putin, sell your tank to me and go back with your loved ones. You see... easy as this: https://twitter.com/i/status/1499872900140220419 |
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(someo else's conversation, bla, bla,...) But isn't Ukraine a sovereign nation, don't they have the constitutional right to join any organization/institution they like and feel will be best for the progress and peace of their nation?
Wasn't Iraq a sovereign nation? Where are the sanctions against the US? Most of the wars of the US and allies in this century are cynically sold as something else and covered in buzz words such as freedom and democracy until these words have become meaningless. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is also covered in cynic arguments and blatant lies. Yet, for me, not all wars are the same. While Ukraine's democracy may be less than ideal, it is still a democracy. People have a say, press have a say and, eventually they can drive their destiny - subject to intromissions and pressure yes, like all other countries - but with the people's choice on what to do about it. And that is why I deplore US intervention in Irak, Saudi Arabia's operations in Sudan, Israel's land grabbing, Europe's operations in several African countries, Ethiopia's own "holomordor" in Tigray, China's treatment of the Uyghur, Daesh acts (in general and particular destroying 3000 year old Assirian ruins), and countless other acts of aggression. Yet, at the same time, I do know that, in this case, I have a clear personal stance with Ukraine and a chance to have a future outside Putin's Tzardom. This is an endless war: it is the Hellenic League against the Persian empire, the Republican's against Julius Cesar, the French Revolution against the absolutists, the Parliament against the King of England, the Spanish Republic against Franco, the allies versus Hitler.... one of the few fights worth being fought. |
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WTF? As of March 5 UN estimates 351 civilians killed. Don't take pictures of people and then tell them that they cant leave with Red Cross! Trying to claim that its better for hundreds of thousands of civilians to stay in the besieged city without water or power is madness, or correct term would be hostages! The fuckery with Red Cross needs to be condemned as strongly as possible, and i don't care what side you're on. So what did you expect to happen? Tell civilians to leave bomb shelters / basements / etc despite ongoing shelling? I get that you dislike the number of casualties and prefer it to be much larger. And speaks of above 1000 civilian casualties confirmed including wounded. This seems like a low figure, but the report in full clearly states that: OHCHR believes that the real figures are considerably higher, especially in Government-controlled territory and especially in recent days, as the receipt of information from some locations where intensive hostilities have been going on was delayed and many reports were still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, the town of Volnovakha where hundreds of civilian casualties have been alleged. These figures are being further corroborated and are not included in the above statistics. on top of that, there is no way to effective account for the total number and the verification of the numbers is at least, weak: Since 24 February 2022, in the context of the Russian Federation’s military action in Ukraine, HRMMU has been unable to visit places of incidents and interview victims and witnesses there. Some of the wide area pictures show a large number of civilian buildings destroyed. It is impossible that has happened without significant casualties. |
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Putin is trying to make economic sanctions an equivalent to a declaration of war. Why this is not true:
- An economic sanction does not kill people (not directly nor quickly).
- Economic sanctions mean simply that other countries do not want to trade with you. That is not fighting, is simply a effect of failing to have a successful relation with the international community.
- Economic sanctions are reversible. It is Putin's hand to take the steps to come back into the international community.
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