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1861  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin's latest decline was triggered by quantum computing headlines on: June 15, 2022, 09:44:31 PM
Well I guess that the NASDAQ and most "growth" stocks are also under threat of quantum computing? Because it has been week of loses all over all the indexes out there.

Nah, the explanation is much simpler, the FED and many other central banks have raised rates to contain inflation and they are likely to do it again strongly in the near future.
1862  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 15, 2022, 02:43:59 PM
ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.

Abusing the trust system for "political" purposes, how Putinesque. You can't steal a TV from paxmao so you'll post mean words about him. Пepeмoгa. Donbas liberated.


To Пepeмoгa and to my TV.
It is interesting that while you, foaming at the mouth, reasonably argued to me that Ukraine signed and ratified the Geneva Convention for the Protection of Civilians in Wartime, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from multiple launch rocket systems randomly shelled residential areas of Donetsk, including the market and the maternity hospital, that the representative of the UN Secretary General called yesterday a clear violation of humanitarian law. What hypocrisy.

Ukraine violated the convention by shelling Ukraine? (if that's happened I mean)

Civil areas should not be indiscriminately attacked in any case.

EDITED to correct "should NOT". I have read in the news that RF and Ukraine are blaming each other on this one and I do not think there is going to be a clear proof that it was the RF.
1863  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 14, 2022, 10:43:09 PM
ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.

Abusing the trust system for "political" purposes, how Putinesque. You can't steal a TV from paxmao so you'll post mean words about him. Пepeмoгa. Donbas liberated.


To Пepeмoгa and to my TV.
1864  Economy / Economics / Re: Taking loan during high inflation? on: June 14, 2022, 10:20:30 PM
Today I had a meeting with a friend of mine who teaches economics at university.
He believes when the inflation rate rises that's profitable to take a loan even with high interest to buy other assets such as gold, bitcoin, and even real estate. On one side of this theory, we usually suggest people never invest money that they can't afford to lose and don't invest the money that does not belong to them for many reasons. These are golden tips and useful in any market.
But the question is what if you do not own enough money for investing? can you take a loan and invest?
Because if you look deeply into charts of inflation rates in most the countries you can easily understand taking loans even with high interests could be useful and profitable.
Personally, I don't suggest doing this because using other people's money will put me under stress and this can have negative effects on my decisions. What do you think?

Debt is debt. What I mean is that no matter how you take debt, it will always put you under an obligation. That needs to be managed by taking the right amount, from the right lenders and for the right time and interest rate.

A completely different matter is the technical effect of inflation, which is very beneficial for the debtor, as long as the income that serves the debt increases with inflation (typically salaries, rents, ...), but careful if used to buy bitcoin, shares or bonds!
1865  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 14, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
You've got it all mixed up again. The trial of the mercenaries took place in the DPR, from the point of view of Russia it is an independent state, from the point of view of Ukraine it is the Donetsk region within Ukraine. Putin is a powerful man, but he has no power over the Supreme Court of a sovereign state (he doesn't even have power over Russia's Supreme Court).

Of the countries that really matter to the case, this "independent state" is only recognised by RF and only sustained thanks to the RF money and weaponry. Stop pretending that something in the RF or the "republics" is done without the seal of the Tzar, nobody is going to believe you.

Again, you can make any argument you want, it does not change the chances for the RF invading army PoWs.



Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.

The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?

I heard its even worse if officer is present

Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them.

All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers.

I'd be careful challenging independence on the grounds of being sustained thanks to other nation's money and weaponry.
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The latest bill, which had been delayed for a week by the objection of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, includes money for logistical support and training for Ukrainian military and national security forces, and for a fund intended to secure the continuity of Ukraine’s government.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220609211642/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html


As far as mercenaries, I believe to become Ukrainian citizen they would have to give up their previous citizenship as Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship, which apparently didn't happen. How are they different from other mercenaries, or is the claim that there are no mercenaries at all in Ukraine and all foreign fighters fall under Geneva convention now because they signed some paper with UA army? Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there?

Are you misinterpreting what I say on purpose or is it that you are really missing the point? The "statelets" were created by the RF invading them and declaring them as "independent" - AKA stealing the territory from Ukraine.

Ukraine is independent because the majority of Ukrainians would rather not be under Adolf Putin's thumb but mainly because it is a country that is widely recognised as such by most, if not all, nations. The "independent" satellite regions of the RF empired have simply been invaded by the RF and then "declared" independent. Again, just a handful of countries recognise them - all pretty much directly linked to Adolf Putin. It is just plainly ridiculous that you try to compare that with Ukraine.

As for your display of "evidence" of western support to a widely recognised independent country... nothing new. This war is burning many supplies from both many estates and particularly the US. This includes training in some quite new and sophisticated systems.

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It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation",  so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.
Bla bla bla

So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries.

And this is something that Adolf Putin may even be happy to hear about if it happened. Most of the young Russians that are stupid or desperate enough to join the RF army have already been killed, captured or are at the front wishing to be back home. The only chance of getting new recruits is trying to generate hate - as of now he only has indifference and opposition and that does not win wars.

Ukraine's goal is to #1 survive, #2 hold on to as much land as it can with minimal losses. US's goal is to 'weaken' Russia,  Do you not see a conflict of interest with such arrangement? Knowing USs track record, do you think it's supporting and sending $50B out of goodness of its heart with no strings attached? How high (if at all) do you think Ukrainian soldier lives rank in US calculations to weaken Russia? If a goal is just to weaken Russia without defeating it, wouldn't supply of weapons look exactly as it does today, trickling in enough to cause higher losses (on both sides) and drag things on yet not enough to really change the ultimate outcome. Given the following option guess who would prefer what, think RU position is clear here, they're committed regardless.
-Outcome X with Y UA losses and Z RU losses
-Same outcome X only with >Y UA losses and >Z RU losses

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A puppet state, puppet régime, puppet government or dummy government is a state that is de jure independent but de facto completely dependent upon an outside power and subject to its orders. Puppet states have nominal sovereignty, but a foreign power effectively exercises control through means such as financial interests, economic, or military support. By leaving a local government in existence the outside Powers evade all responsibility, while at the same time successfully paralyzing the Government they tolerate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state
No need for "or", all boxes financial, economic, military are definitely checked off. Now you can claim that being under one power is more preferential than the other in certain sectors, but calling Ukraine independent at this stage is naďve

US is on a dilemma. I am quite sure that, if the US de-facto powers wanted this war to end in a couple of months it would happen. Zelensky is right in essence: send me the weapons we need, keep the intelligence support, train the Ukrainian soldiers and we are likely to recover ground and eventually reach a point in which the RF comes to the table with a "minimize loss" mandate or "lift sanctions and forget about all this" attitude. An you are right, that is not the current way of thinking for the US - it would be the UK that actually would rather finish the war ASAP, RF money is much loved in "Londongrad".


Why is that not happening?

- Being brutally honest, I think that the US would not mind having a couple of statelets between Ukraine and the RF, particularly if Ukraine joins NATO.
- One of the reasons is that Putin's regime, until now, has ensured that the old USSR nuclear arsenal does not fall in the wrong hands.
- Another is that Putin is actually an ally or an useful guy in other aspects, like fighting the PBS - Psychos Blaming God, AKA Daesh, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram and friends...
- Lastly, while Putin's regime is internally managed as a Mafia Family, it generates plenty of business for those who live on the plutocrats style of life outside the RF.

Putin, until now, was not really troubling the US nor Europe until now, even the annexation of Crimea was not responded as it should have, but he has miscalculated the effects of this war on Europe, including UK and Germany and including other countries that are not in the EU. Putin considers that the RF still has a similar sphere of influence as the USSR did, which I think is no longer the case - simply because the RF is not even close to the economic and cultural influence that was the USSR.

I think we agree on something, the US may be a winner on this war, the EU is not in the short term (there may be beneficial effects to the energetic transition in the long term), Ukraine is not a short term winner (there will be a push to his status in EU after the war) and, lastly, the RF.

The RF may or may not get some (devastated) territory from Ukraine at the expense of crippling its economy and diplomatic stance for a long, long, long time.

Re Ukraine becoming a "Puppet", I think it would not be the case. All the west is pretty much interdependent and economic ties are strong and certainly some countries have more weight than others, but there are continuous negotiations and trade-offs that usually result in progress for all.
1866  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 13, 2022, 08:53:01 PM
I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate.
It is not true. The last face-to-face round of talks between Russia and Ukraine took place in Turkey at the end of March. After that, there were several more virtual rounds, during which Ukraine abruptly changed its position and retreated from previously reached agreements, refusing to extend security guarantees to the Donbass and Crimea. It seems that on May 17 the negotiation process completely stopped. The history of the negotiation process can be read for example here.

False. Again, lie after lie, fake after fake,..

https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukraine-revokes-the-geneva-convention/#:~:text=Ukraine%20signed%20the%20Geneva%20Convention,revoked%20Protocols%201%20and%202.

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Koval explains that according to the Third Geneva Convention  on the treatment of prisoners of war, there is no provision for signatories to revoke their adherence to the Convention, therefore it is impossible to say that Ukrainian is revoking its implementation. A country could withdraw from the Geneva Convention and the treaty and its protocols have provisions entitling member states to denounce them.

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That is, Ukraine has virtually no possibility of derogating from the fulfillment of obligations under the convention. Russia’s statements about this contradict common sense and logic” Koval explains.
Your link indicates that Ukraine signed the Geneva Convention in 1949 and ratified it in 1954. This is bullshit, because Ukraine was not an independent state either in 1949 or 1954, and being a union republic within the USSR, it could not do anything like that in principle sign and ratify. After the collapse of the USSR and Ukraine gaining independence, it was not Ukraine, but Russia that became the legal successor of the USSR, taking on, among other things, all the debts. Ukraine could not revoke the Geneva Convention, because, in principle, it never signed or ratified it.

It did sign it in the dates stated, as a Republic with in the USSR. Seriously man, you do not have a clue of the history of your country? Do you understand the degree of freedom that the old Soviet Republics had - at least on paper - to even break away from the USSR if they decided so?

https://treaties.un.org/pages/showdetails.aspx?objid=0800000280158b1a

Seems that all sites have the same mistake and  the same dates, great that you are here to correct them all.

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Ukraine   Withdrawal of reservation   30/06/2006   
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic   Declaration   16/08/1974   
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic   Signature   12/08/1949   
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic   Ratification   03/08/1954   03/02/1955

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ps You pretty much tired me with your false accusations and I left you a negative review. Keep in mind, I'm on the DT1 trust list and you're risking your bounty hunter career by spreading false accusations against me.

I could not care less. Believe me, you do not want to make this a "trust war" with me. particularly after all you have posted in this thread. There is material to write a book on what you and your handlers have invented.

Although I can see that you have put a few comments on anyone here defending Ukraine. Pretty much a Trust system abuse. I am not going to be the one opening a reputation thread, but some other people may have more free time.

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User   Date   Reference   Comments
paxmao   2022-06-13   Reference   Repeated false accusations. Ukrainian politically engaged account, do not trust this user.
suchmoon   2022-03-30   Reference   False accusation, empty slander. Do not trust this user.
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I can see you have put a comment for me - unsurprisingly is wrong, faked and a lie. And the worst thing, very easy to verify as false as I have a story of many years in the forum.

I think they will try to convince Zelensky of the need to resume peace talks. Let's see.
Convince Zelensky to resume peace talks? If they really will try to do that, they will come to wrong man. As already said many times, Ukraine are ready for peace talks, but Russia don't show any intentions to negotiate.

The civilized world should be ignoring Russians, including the drooling mental patients on this forum.

I don't think Ukraine should be negotiating with terrorists.

Peter the Great, my ass. More like Peter the Gopnik.


I am dying to look for the google translate of Gopnik  Tongue

Cool... there is even an article. Quite an accurate description, but I expected something more transgresive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopnik
1867  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 13, 2022, 08:31:10 PM
As far as mercenaries, I believe to become Ukrainian citizen they would have to give up their previous citizenship as Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship, which apparently didn't happen. How are they different from other mercenaries, or is the claim that there are no mercenaries at all in Ukraine and all foreign fighters fall under Geneva convention now because they signed some paper with UA army? Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there?

Unless it's a civil war, isn't there always going to be one side made up of entirely foreign fighters?  Does the geneva convention really exclude prisoners of war from human rights depending on what country their passport is from?  That doesn't make sense to me.  
I don’t understand why you are focusing on the Geneva Convention, although neither Russia nor Ukraine have signed or ratified it, and for these countries the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War is a legally insignificant document.

I have a question that you don't have to answer, but I'll ask it. Have you read the text of this convention, which has already been repeatedly mentioned?

False. Again, lie after lie, fake after fake,..

https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukraine-revokes-the-geneva-convention/#:~:text=Ukraine%20signed%20the%20Geneva%20Convention,revoked%20Protocols%201%20and%202.

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Koval explains that according to the Third Geneva Convention  on the treatment of prisoners of war, there is no provision for signatories to revoke their adherence to the Convention, therefore it is impossible to say that Ukrainian is revoking its implementation. A country could withdraw from the Geneva Convention and the treaty and its protocols have provisions entitling member states to denounce them.

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That is, Ukraine has virtually no possibility of derogating from the fulfillment of obligations under the convention. Russia’s statements about this contradict common sense and logic” Koval explains.
1868  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 13, 2022, 09:47:53 AM
Losses, what do you mean?
Usual combat losses, this happens during armed conflicts. The current tactics of the Russian army are very effective in terms of minimizing combat losses of personnel, but unfortunately the desire to reduce losses to zero is unrealistic.

You just said a post ago that there are only 500 RF prisoners, so, how many dead according to your "sources" that require "a planned rotation"?
I don't have exact numbers of Russian losses during the operation, this information is classified (and to be honest, I don't really care). By planned rotation, I mean a planned rotation, whereby units involved in direct combat engagements are sent to the rear every six weeks to compensate for the accumulation of physical and psychological fatigue, and to minimize the risk of soldiers developing post-traumatic stress disorder. It is a pity that you do not know what a planned rotation is, because it seems that Ukraine cannot afford such a luxury.

You do not have numbers on the RF losses? Why? Is not like if they were trying to hide the number from the RF people right? Is just that, the Orcs do not have people that can count to 30.000 maybe?

Yes I know "a planned rotation" of course! -  The young Russians "rotate" into sunflower pots and more young Russians "rotate" into a T-62... eventually to become new habitats for worms.


You are trying in vain to insult my country. I understand that your nerves are naughty in the absence of any successes and victories of Ukraine for a long time, but nevertheless, try to control yourself. Note that I do not allow myself to quibble over Ukraine's failures on the battlefield, although I have a huge supply of materials for this (from the recent joy of Ukrainians from a downed plane, which then turned out to be Ukrainian - this was on the day when Ukraine lost to Wales by scoring an own goal, or even more recent mediocre loss of a warship in Ochakovo and decommissioning of the second ship due to the low combat readiness of the crew, etc.). I have respect for Ukraine, because its soldiers often show fortitude in battle, even without any chance of success. It's just that there were no such chances even three months ago, and at least I am consistent in my position on this issue. It's funny to watch how European politicians change their shoes on the fly and more and more often they hear their statements that they say it's time to end this massacre of babies, even if for Ukraine it is fraught with territorial concessions. I think one day you will have to change your shoes when this operation ends with the unconditional surrender of Ukraine, because Russia no longer accepts another outcome.

Insult your country? How? You are actually insulting your people, telling them that the RF will profit from this war, that Adolf Putin is the right leader for their future, ..

And now, you are trying to shit-talk your way out of the fact that the number of dead soldiers is not published because it would raise an outrage, that young Russians are being sent to die against their will, without the right equipment and poor leadership.

Empty talk, empty leaders and absolute failure in the "operation",... you remind me of Hitler's last months trying to send imaginary troops into the fight and "stopping the allies" here and there...

https://youtu.be/t7PmzdINGZk?t=72
1869  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 13, 2022, 08:55:04 AM
Losses, what do you mean?
Usual combat losses, this happens during armed conflicts. The current tactics of the Russian army are very effective in terms of minimizing combat losses of personnel, but unfortunately the desire to reduce losses to zero is unrealistic.

You just said a post ago that there are only 500 RF prisoners, so, how many dead according to your "sources" that require "a planned rotation"?
I don't have exact numbers of Russian losses during the operation, this information is classified (and to be honest, I don't really care). By planned rotation, I mean a planned rotation, whereby units involved in direct combat engagements are sent to the rear every six weeks to compensate for the accumulation of physical and psychological fatigue, and to minimize the risk of soldiers developing post-traumatic stress disorder. It is a pity that you do not know what a planned rotation is, because it seems that Ukraine cannot afford such a luxury.

You do not have numbers on the RF losses? Why? Is not like if they were trying to hide the number from the RF people right? Is just that, the Orcs do not have people that can count to 30.000 maybe?

Yes I know "a planned rotation" of course! -  The young Russians "rotate" into sunflower pots and more young Russians "rotate" into a T-62... eventually to become new habitats for worms.

1870  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 13, 2022, 08:20:53 AM
I could not care less about what the RF soldiers eat - feeding those that will soon die for Adolf Putin is a waste of resources. From their perspective, I would not blame them: the dogs do not have "use by August 1972" written on them.
I have great news for you, the ignore button is right under my profile picture. You don't have to force yourself to respond to every message I send if you think I'm only capable of relaying lies from propaganda sources and nothing else. If you need my permission to feel more free, you just got it.



I am well aware that you would like to be.free to post fakes without anyone replying. You are clearly using the old and well known tactic of posting so much fake and misleading information that it would take a lifetime to link sources providing proper information for every lie you post.

Would you not rather eat a dog? They are still fresh, not like this:

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498421431079735297

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You're right. Nevertheless, things are as they are, Russia needs a source of replenishment of manpower to compensate for combat losses and carry out a planned rotation. Even if the main work is done by cannon artillery and multiple launch rocket systems, we need living, combat-ready people along the entire line of contact (which is now about 700 km), and in the near rear too. And where to get them if Putin's political will not to mobilize and not to expose other areas too much (Russia is still geographically the largest country in the world with the longest border)? The question is basically rhetorical.

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Losses, what do you mean? You just said a post ago that there are only 500 RF prisoners, so, how many dead according to your "sources" that require "a planned rotation"?

But do not worry, the young people of the RF already know where the "rotation" is going to come from, so please, let them know here how many of them are "planned" already, they are surely very interested in considering their options.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/young-russian-fled-avoid-war-drafting-says-i-dont-want-to-kill-anyone-1597503

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One 24-year-old man told i how left his job as an emotional intelligence teacher in Moscow to avoid being drafted because he does not “support my government’s decisions in domestic and foreign policy”.

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In March President Vladimir Putin signed a decree ordering 134,500 new conscripts between the ages of 18 and 27 into the army – but the defence ministry said it had nothing to do with Ukraine.

“However, Russian men and their families often take various steps to avoid being amongst those who enter service,” said Mr Reynolds.

“These include deferments based on higher education or exemptions on health grounds – either real, fabricated or obtained via bribery.”

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/russia/russia1102-01.htm

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Many young men of conscription age do not want to serve in the armed forces. They are worried about endemic hazing, being sent to Chechnya, or simply see spending two years in the army as a waste of their time and career opportunities. Some are conscientious objectors who have no options for real alternative civilian service.24 Many temporarily or permanently avoid military service by enrolling in educational programs, or finding government jobs that allow them to defer service, or by having a doctor document legitimate health problems that disqualify them for service.25 Other young men use illegitimate means to avoid being conscripted by, for example, paying bribes to members of draft boards, doctors, or other officials.

Others simply avoid recruitment officials. They refuse to open the door when officials come to their homes to hand them draft summonses, do not live where they are registered, and ignore the summonses that are dropped into their mailboxes.26 According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces, every year 30,000 young men ignore draft summonses and fail to appear for conscription proceedings.27

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/11/world/europe/in-russia-a-young-mans-dream-is-dodging-the-draft.html

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"It would be better," he said, "if the army were made up of people who wanted to serve."

In theory, all Russian men 18 to 27 are required to serve two years in the military. In practice, roughly 90 percent avoid it. Most do so by taking advantage of different kinds of deferments, including one for going to college, or by failing the physical fitness exam.

How long until videos of 18 year old crying and calling their moms and saying they did not join voluntarily appear in the media?


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As for Arestovich, I've had my suspicions about the creature for a while.  In fact the whole 'leadership' of post 2014 Ukraine (whoever that might be.)  All they seem to be proficient at is embarrassing Ukraine in the most humiliating of ways, making sure that it will be a generation before anyone in the world takes any 'Ukrainian' seriously, and getting Ukrainians souls killed in the best numbers possible.  The millions of 'war refugees' vacated the place at the first whiff of powder even though the country remains basically un-touched.  Looks to me as though the 'refugees' simply used the so-called 'war' as an excuse to get the hell out of what was already a Nazified shit-hole, and the Western Zionised 'leaders' used it as an excuse to open their doors to yet another shade of 'multitude'.

I cannot shake the smell of rat coming off this whole fuckin' thing, nor the gut sense that 'the Russians' (at the deeper leadership/influence levels) are in on things a little deeper than is commonly perceived.  IOW, I don't trust the Russians, but I do generally respect, and continue to respect, how they've been conducting themselves at the more surface levels.  It's shrewd, and I suspect it will pay off big-time as the dust settles in whatever end up being the 'reset'.

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So your interpretation of the RF army takin 100 days and still unable to control the territory is "Ukraine being embarrassed" - I think you have been drinking to much "official juice of comfort" lately.

Ukraine women and children fled Ukraine to avoid being killed - the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Europe is admitting them and if they become part of the EU they will be free to settle in the country of their choice in the future because that is how EU works. EU is happy to receive hard working people, educated and with experience kicking RF psychos assess, just in case.

The invasion of Ukraine is not "the Russians", is Adolf Putin's orcs army - mostly comprised manypeople who are NOT Russians ethnically, quite a few that would rather not be there and a good chuck of looting beasts.


1871  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 12, 2022, 11:07:04 PM
You are just throwing numbers, none of that is true. Lame.
Which of the two numbers do you doubt, 500 or 10,000? In Azovstal alone, about 2,500 people surrendered in three days. In the Donbass, soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being taken prisoner regularly and in whole units. But you are right, there are doubts about 500 Russians in Ukrainian captivity - someone has already been killed, and periodically there are exchanges of prisoners in a one-to-one format, so Ukraine may have fewer Russian prisoners.

I do not "doubt" your numbers , I am clearly stating that all the "data" you are providing in your posts are, in essence, false and directly brought from the RF Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales. None of the figures, military capabilities, military "advances", "precision strikes" and many other "facts" have any resemblance to reality whatsoever. You usually do not  mention any sources and when you do, they are mostly related to RF controlled media which is worthless as a source of truth. In one word, bullshit.

As of now, many young RF citizens are absolutely scared of this year's military draft. They hide, bribe or try to find any reason to avoid being drafted this year for the army, despite you Adolf Putin claiming that he will not send them to the front. The young have VPNs and have no trust whatsoever in anything that Adolf Putin and his psychotic cronies say thanks to trolls like you.
Well, at least the information about 5000 dogs eaten by Russians soldiers with reference to a Ukrainian source, which I published on the previous page of the topic, inspires confidence in you? Or did I manage to lie there too?

I could not care less about what the RF soldiers eat - feeding those that will soon die for Adolf Putin is a waste of resources. From their perspective, I would not blame them: the dogs do not have "use by August 1972" written on them.
1872  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 12, 2022, 10:39:17 PM
You are just throwing numbers, none of that is true. Lame.
Which of the two numbers do you doubt, 500 or 10,000? In Azovstal alone, about 2,500 people surrendered in three days. In the Donbass, soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being taken prisoner regularly and in whole units. But you are right, there are doubts about 500 Russians in Ukrainian captivity - someone has already been killed, and periodically there are exchanges of prisoners in a one-to-one format, so Ukraine may have fewer Russian prisoners.

I do not "doubt" your numbers , I am clearly stating that all the "data" you are providing in your posts are, in essence, false and directly brought from the RF Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland tales. None of the figures, military capabilities, military "advances", "precision strikes" and many other "facts" have any resemblance to reality whatsoever. You usually do not  mention any sources and when you do, they are mostly related to RF controlled media which is worthless as a source of truth. In one word, bullshit.

As of now, many young RF citizens are absolutely scared of this year's military draft. They hide, bribe or try to find any reason to avoid being drafted this year for the army, despite you Adolf Putin claiming that he will not send them to the front. The young have VPNs and have no trust whatsoever in anything that Adolf Putin and his psychotic cronies say thanks to trolls like you.
1873  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 12, 2022, 10:20:15 PM
In the case of mercenaries, I've got no problem with them getting the death penalty for nothing more than getting caught in-country if that's what a civilian court wants to do.  Local militias capturing them and applying whatever justice they are inclined to would be even more satisfying.  SF personnel from third-party nations and spies, same.  Those who cannot stand the heat should stay out of the kitchen.

As i said above, any russian soldier can be considered as merc, since russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine.
Johnny, this sword is double-edged because Ukraine didn't declare war on Russia either. And if Ukraine has 500 Russian soldiers in captivity, then Russia has 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers in captivity. Think about it at your leisure (because your chances of being captured by the Russians are also not illusory).

You are just throwing numbers, none of that is true. Lame.
1874  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 11, 2022, 11:34:42 PM

On the Wagner thing, I have to say that making use of them undercuts the Russian excuse for their Ukraine actions as being based on ethical principles, and 'de-nazification' in particular (which I've never put much stock in anyway.)  I've never heard anyone claim that these Wagner personnel are any 'better' than the average mercenary group, and nobody puts up much of a denial that straight-up neo-nazi influences exist in at least some of them.

Unfortunately you are right. I think this is the case when you can not clean the cesspool and not get dirty with shit yourself.

All in all, I don't understand why there is so much fuss about a few foreign mercenaries who have managed to get under the show whipping (which they probably deserved by their actions). Let me remind you that a couple of weeks ago in Kyiv, Russian soldier Vadim Shishimarin was sentenced to life imprisonment. Why shouldn't those who like to remember the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War remember this episode, when a prisoner of war was convicted by a civil court? Why tantrum after the usual symmetrical response? Or does someone here naively think that some other verdict awaits the Azov militants captured in Mariupol?

I believe he has been sentenced to life in prison precisely because he violated the convention by shooting an unarmed old guy on a bike, filmed on video and confessed. I would myself doubt of the fairness of a tribunal on war times, but the proofs on this case are beyond doubt.

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In the case of an armed conflict not of an international character, serious violations of article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts committed against persons...
Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds,...;

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml


On regards to the soldiers captured in Mariupol, again, if there is an ideological trial, it leaves the door open for similar treatments of RF soldiers. Being a "nazi", wearing a tatoo or expressing views are not in themselves crimes, is just an ideology. Only acts committed by individuals may be crimes.

 It is curious how by Adolf Putin stating that "this is not a war", makes the acts of RF soldiers in Ukraine fall quite in the definition of terrorism - killing people in a foreign country, destroying infrastructure and all that while getting paid for doing so - terrorist mercenaries I guess... it cannot get any uglier uh?

1875  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 11, 2022, 11:06:03 PM
The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
You've got it all mixed up again. The trial of the mercenaries took place in the DPR, from the point of view of Russia it is an independent state, from the point of view of Ukraine it is the Donetsk region within Ukraine. Putin is a powerful man, but he has no power over the Supreme Court of a sovereign state (he doesn't even have power over Russia's Supreme Court).

Of the countries that really matter to the case, this "independent state" is only recognised by RF and only sustained thanks to the RF money and weaponry. Stop pretending that something in the RF or the "republics" is done without the seal of the Tzar, nobody is going to believe you.

Again, you can make any argument you want, it does not change the chances for the RF invading army PoWs.



Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.

The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?

I heard its even worse if officer is present

Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them.

All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers.

I'd be careful challenging independence on the grounds of being sustained thanks to other nation's money and weaponry.
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The latest bill, which had been delayed for a week by the objection of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, includes money for logistical support and training for Ukrainian military and national security forces, and for a fund intended to secure the continuity of Ukraine’s government.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220609211642/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/05/20/upshot/ukraine-us-aid-size.html


As far as mercenaries, I believe to become Ukrainian citizen they would have to give up their previous citizenship as Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship, which apparently didn't happen. How are they different from other mercenaries, or is the claim that there are no mercenaries at all in Ukraine and all foreign fighters fall under Geneva convention now because they signed some paper with UA army? Following that logic Aiden Aslin wasn't a mecenary in Syria as well if he also signed some form there?

Are you misinterpreting what I say on purpose or is it that you are really missing the point? The "statelets" were created by the RF invading them and declaring them as "independent" - AKA stealing the territory from Ukraine.

Ukraine is independent because the majority of Ukrainians would rather not be under Adolf Putin's thumb but mainly because it is a country that is widely recognised as such by most, if not all, nations. The "independent" satellite regions of the RF empired have simply been invaded by the RF and then "declared" independent. Again, just a handful of countries recognise them - all pretty much directly linked to Adolf Putin. It is just plainly ridiculous that you try to compare that with Ukraine.

As for your display of "evidence" of western support to a widely recognised independent country... nothing new. This war is burning many supplies from both many estates and particularly the US. This includes training in some quite new and sophisticated systems.

On the Geneva convention, Ukraine has declared to be abided to it on regards to PoWs.

This is pretty much what I expected to read from you. Adolf Putin's government  killing POW = justice. If Ukraine defence army ever thinks of doing the same = Terrorism / crimes. This type of bullshit fits well on the RF controlled media, but people here can tell a troll.
There is some difference between the torture and murder of Russian prisoners without trial and investigation, and between the trial of foreign mercenaries. If you don't see it or refuse to see it, that says a lot about you.


Yes, it does say a lot, to be precise that I do not believe in nor give a camel's ass for the legitimacy and fairness of a trial in a country that does not exist, with a tribunal that is not legitimate and a law that is wet paper when Adolf Putin decides it does not serve his purposes. That is exactly what it says.

Re tortures and other allegations... well, you could try to prove it but the RF has stopped the work of the people who investigate so... your "word" and the RF censored media senseless talk to be taken again for it.

And once again, this is not about me supporting anything outside the rules of war, is about Adolf Putin killing with a fake trial PoWs, which in turn puts at risk the RF captured soldiers.

Russia is only doing an UN approved police action

Must be some Russian knock-off version of UN that "approved" it. Don't be shy, give us the link to the Kremlin conspiratard blog that fed you this bullshit.

I have to admire you for trying to make sense of this dude's allegations. Careful with that prefrontal lobe.

e.g. "Did the security council admonish Putin?" - RF is a permanent member of the SC and has veto power. Either the guy does not know or thinks other do not know.

It's easy: If the main criteria for you is "to be paid" it's easy to say that every russian soldier is a mercenary in terms of international law. russia didn't declare a war to Ukraine, only some kind of "special operation",  so all it's soldiers on ukraine territory it's a mercenaries. Without a proper (in terms of russian law) procedure they are going to another country to fight because of the fat they get paid for it.
Bla bla bla

So, as i see, you don't mind and agree with the idea that of russia didn't proclaime a war to Ukraine we can consider russian soldiers as mercs and can sentence them to death? Ok. Fair deal i think. If russians will shot this guys we should do the same with russian mercenaries.

And this is something that Adolf Putin may even be happy to hear about if it happened. Most of the young Russians that are stupid or desperate enough to join the RF army have already been killed, captured or are at the front wishing to be back home. The only chance of getting new recruits is trying to generate hate - as of now he only has indifference and opposition and that does not win wars.
1876  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 10, 2022, 09:40:14 PM

Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them.

All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers.
Mercenaries are not prisoners of war. These people came to Ukraine to kill for money, and they are not entitled to any leniency for their actions. It is better for foreign mercenaries to choose another place for safari, because death or death awaits them here - on the battlefield or as a result of a court verdict. This is an unambiguous and clear signal to those 3,000+ foreign mercenaries who are still fighting on the side of Ukraine - pack your things and go home.

Funny that you say this and at the same time commend the tourists that joined the RF orcs army. So the criteria is that only Ukrainian nationals are soldiers? Then all this guys are terrorists fighting for Adolf Putin:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/24/what-role-is-chechnyas-ramzan-kadyrov-playing-in-ukraine

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Just two days after the Russian invasion of Ukraine was launched, Ramzan Kadyrov, president of Russia’s Chechen Republic, announced his forces were deployed to the battlefield.

They would do well to go back home and use their time making more little Chechens instead of dying (as terrorists) for Putin.
Kadyrov's Chechens are not mercenaries, but a special police regiment as part of the National Guard.

Not to mention these world class tourists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group
But the fighters of Wagner's private military company are mercenaries. Although they are fighting on the side of Russia (and seem to be quite successful in combat missions), you have never heard me praise them here.


A mercenary is still a soldier IMHO. They can be war criminals or even terrorists if they do not play by the rules, but that is related to their actions, not to their origin nor to the fact that they get paid - if you think of it, the RF soldiers get paid, are they not mercenaries? Are they not going to a foreign country to wage war and die just to steal territory and goods from Ukraine?

1877  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 10, 2022, 02:46:26 PM

Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them.

All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers.
Mercenaries are not prisoners of war. These people came to Ukraine to kill for money, and they are not entitled to any leniency for their actions. It is better for foreign mercenaries to choose another place for safari, because death or death awaits them here - on the battlefield or as a result of a court verdict. This is an unambiguous and clear signal to those 3,000+ foreign mercenaries who are still fighting on the side of Ukraine - pack your things and go home.

Funny that you say this and at the same time commend the tourists that joined the RF orcs army. So the criteria is that only Ukrainian nationals are soldiers? Then all this guys are terrorists fighting for Adolf Putin:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/24/what-role-is-chechnyas-ramzan-kadyrov-playing-in-ukraine

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Just two days after the Russian invasion of Ukraine was launched, Ramzan Kadyrov, president of Russia’s Chechen Republic, announced his forces were deployed to the battlefield.

They would do well to go back home and use their time making more little Chechens instead of dying (as terrorists) for Putin.

Not to mention these world class tourists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

1878  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 10, 2022, 12:52:45 PM
The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
You've got it all mixed up again. The trial of the mercenaries took place in the DPR, from the point of view of Russia it is an independent state, from the point of view of Ukraine it is the Donetsk region within Ukraine. Putin is a powerful man, but he has no power over the Supreme Court of a sovereign state (he doesn't even have power over Russia's Supreme Court).

Of the countries that really matter to the case, this "independent state" is only recognised by RF and only sustained thanks to the RF money and weaponry. Stop pretending that something in the RF or the "republics" is done without the seal of the Tzar, nobody is going to believe you.

Again, you can make any argument you want, it does not change the chances for the RF invading army PoWs.



Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.

The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?

I heard its even worse if officer is present

Officers of the Ukrainian defence army are there to implement the official policies. As of now, the official policy is to follow the rules of war and the Geneva Convention as far as I know. There may be groups in Ukraine that may not have such a degree of discipline, but that is a completely different matter from having an official policy of classing PoWs as "terrorists" and kill them.

All in all, this simply makes life much harder for both RF and Ukrainian soldiers.
1879  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 10, 2022, 11:37:04 AM
The Supreme Court of the DPR sentenced to death British citizens Sean Pinner and Aiden Aslin, as well as Moroccan Saadoun Brahim, who are accused of participating in hostilities as part of the Ukrainian armed formations as mercenaries.

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Seriously for a minute, I'm curious if there are strong indications that the trial was either fair or unfair on the part of the DPR.  A non-partisan analysis of what is know of the proceedings would be of interest if anyone (serious) runs across such a thing.

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Not fair or unfair trial? You mean, apart from taking place in a state that is not recognised by UN and only exists (recognised) for a handful of countries of which most are under Adolf Putin's rule. Even the tribunal has no legitimate law or country to start with. I could as well meet with a few friends and judge someone using Nepali law.
1880  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] on: June 10, 2022, 11:26:15 AM
This is pretty much what I expected to read from you. Adolf Putin's government  killing POW = justice. If Ukraine defence army ever thinks of doing the same = Terrorism / crimes. This type of bullshit fits well on the RF controlled media, but people here can tell a troll.
There is some difference between the torture and murder of Russian prisoners without trial and investigation, and between the trial of foreign mercenaries. If you don't see it or refuse to see it, that says a lot about you.

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At the end of March, an international scandal erupted when many mainstream media published shocking videos of the torture and execution of Russian prisoners of war. A little later, in early April, Kyiv refused to comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to Russian prisoners of war. You have a very short and selective memory if you don't remember it.

The Geneva convention you say... so Ukraine has to comply with it but...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-warcrimes-convention-idUSKBN1WW2IN

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Russia's Putin revokes Geneva convention protocol on war crimes victims

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-22/explainer-how-could-ru

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The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor, Karim Khan, said this month he had opened an investigation into possible war crimes in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a member of the ICC and Moscow does not recognize the tribunal.

This is very simple: you can expect the same chivalry you offer.

I did not argue that Ukraine should comply with the Geneva Convention in relation to the prisoners. LTU_btc claimed that Ukraine follows the Geneva Convention, but this is not true - that's what I said. Don't overdo it, it's not pretty.

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Ukraine may actually be following it at government level - you can follow the convention even if you do not recognise it.

The matter is still the same, the RF is not only showing disrespect for PoWs, they are even making a point of killing them in public. What can you expect if you are an RF captured soldier and there are no officers present?
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