And that's why it is "moderated" (censored, in fact). They don't like your opinion, they ban you. End of story.

And that's the ONLY reason why VRC is not listed in THE WALL OF HONOR.

This is just BS. I don't expect or desire him to post anything that is not substantial to the coin at any given moment, let alone 24/7. But when a huge dump exceeding 2/3s of the total value of the coin happens, I do expect him to be here attempting, at the very least, to make any sense of it.

Enough with the "baby sitting" bull crap, ok?

Anything from "I don't know" to "I do know". I DO KNOW that I would be here saying something if it was my coin.

Uh I don't know but don't you think that if a coin he represents suddenly loses half of its value -actually 2/3s- he should be coming out of whatever dinner he's at and maybe dropping a line or two, don't you think?

If it were my business, I know I would do it. And so would 99.99% of the human population. But nah, nothing has happened, right? where you had $3k now you have -and in danger- one third of that, but who cares? No regulation, no law, right?

That dirac stuff simply doesn't fly. The only "good" about this jumbo dump is that the volume is relatively small.

As for what happened, Mr Kelly seems to be missing in action and there are no clues on twitter so we will have to keep on waiting for now.

Oh and yes, that "inside stuff shit" is usually the case. But let's not anticipate... it seems the bottom may have been reached. For now.

If what you are trying to do is explaining away this dump that way, you are failing rather miserably. This is some serious SHIT going on in NAUT

And it ain't any good either.

Paging Mr. Kelly, paging Mr. Kelly...

Yes it would have been wise to answer only when you are concerned and have all the answers. And please don't worry if I am liked or not enough. I'm liked fine by me and that is enough. Patronizing, or attempt to, sorry does not work. I doubt it ever does.

I do for this coin, as MY INVESTMENT and as whatever my name and reputation means, a lot more than others, like you, with good intentions and preachy tone. Like call a spade a spade, for instance. Other than those who choose to spread/believe idiocies, most in crypto know me and my walls of HONOR and SHAME. They know I won't stand for crooks nor for religions. Nor preach to any chorus. Some like it, some don't.

And that's just the way it is supposed to be.

Now, if anyone chooses to take personal initiatives, whether or not sanctioned by the dev team, to promote or "benefit" VRC, fine and dandy. Free country. But careful: Preaching can be perceived as a negative also. And it is REAL MONEY we have invested in this coin, $6 million of it at current count more or less. It is about TRANSPARENCY, RESPONSIBILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY and, when it comes to official (whether real or perceived) capacities, simply profesionalism.

So no more sights to me. Take it or leave it but enough with the preaching and the school boy terminologies, ok?

Yep, the question is how much is each (50%), don't you think?

That's not just fine and dandy and long overdue, but it also leaves out how much profit you make while "...working to support and spread VRC adoption, along with Physical Vericoins..." which should be an important consideration on behalf of the desired transparency in this coin. You should remove yourself from the equation, AFTER answering the specific question.

In general, I agree with you in what you just posted.

But lets not kid ourselves: As you and anyone can easily see, the personal emotional levels, as well as past histories will come forward at any instance of conflict. It's just the nature of the internet beast. And the crypto coins, where the unabashed fan boys will make of their support a blind religion inevitably in conflict with those who, even if interested or even supportive, choose -or are bound to have- a more discriminatory approach.

I have supported this dev team because they came out clean and I believe -at the risk of maybe be proven wrong, who knows- what they have said so far is true. But not ALL that they have said and definitely not all of what they have done, is deserving of my personal support. And this is a forum where everyone should be entitled to post whatever they want related to a coin they are invested in. Everyone here is tired and sick already of the "roll back" conversation, so no need to bring it back... unless it is as a reference. people well known in the crypto world have been very critical of the "roll back", like Bryce Weiner, for instance. Or the Lee guy from Litecoin. The entire fanboy club at Blackcoin was, for days, circling the wagons here, as the carrion vultures they have proven to be -long before VRC-. Yes it is positive to, at some point, ignore your enemies, but what you cannot do -or I believe that you shouldn't do- is pretending like the reasons for the confrontation have disappeared. Because they have not. Mr. Lee may "have a reason" to so severely attack Nokster publicly, but that is his reason just like mine -and tens of thousands of others- to defend what the dev team was forced to do, the rollback. But Lee and me (and the rest that adheres to that position) have very solid opinions that happen to be irreconcilable, so no amount of pictures at conventions, nor "family dispenses" will change that. We are, in fact, in direct opposite parts of a situation: Lee wants to defend the traditional position, by which VRC would have disappeared, a thief would have made a lot of money for thieving without any accountability, and Mr. Lee would have continue going merrily about his life wille thousands of investors would have lost all of their investments. Me and many others, on the other side of that spectrum, support actions by the devs that safeguarded the coin, the investment, left the thief without a penny from his thievery and, more importantly, set ANOTHER new standard by which measures would be taken in the event of major thievery... which is something many, many people support.

In other words, you cannot please all the people all the time. And you MUST stand your ground if you want to show conviction in your acts. YOU MUST CHOOSE SIDES.

By the same token, posing for pictures with Rokhlin HAS implications. He has a most than muddy past (and present). He is a scammer, as posted everywhere on these forums. Posing with him is not exactly an endorsement of his activities, that is clear, but it is more of that than a condemnation of them, isn't it? You may believe the many charges or may not, that's up to you personally, but as a dev team for VRC you must take all these circumstances into consideration.

I believe the market is flat, after Chicago, in no small part due to these confusing actions by the devs who amount, in some way, to throw the stone but somewhat try to hide the hand. The community have supported their decisions fully. They should represent the community who paid for them to be in Chicago, NOT to "get along" with their most acerbic critics of those who can easily dirty the reputation of Vericoin.

Being the good guys doesn't come without a cost, as you can see.

If that were true, you would make this guy a bit happier... as long as you stop provoking more answers from my, little racist boy.

OK Ashton, so you won't answer the very simple questions: Are you a racist? very simple. You can't stand IE because he's black, pure and simple. Neither Obama for iden tical reason. That is quite simple. But you simply will not have the BALLS to accept it, little boy. Call it like it is? That's for MEN, not for boys.

How much do you get from every silver coin you  sell... besides what you give the "for the devs". The rest, boy, is just personal hatred for I SUPPORT VRC fully. So you just feed your hatred  under the guise of "moderating". Truth is you are an insignificant tool craving any kind of representation anywhere, even at the expense of exposing those and many other limitations while doing so.

I'd be only too glad if you would keep me on ignore as you have pretended already once or twice before. You simply won't (hatred).

What you will do, again, is offering a dispense of "wall-to-wall counseling". That you would, instead of facing up to what you are and what you are trying to get here... which by now is quite clear to everyone.

By "nobody" you mean you, Will, right? Go back to sell your silver because YOU are the one that never brings anything to this table -of the hangouts, for that matter.

But you look a bit like Ashton Kutcher so you get a pass from me, in spite of your obvious limitations.

Oh and I don't know why you hate him, if it is for race or something else, perhaps you could illustrate all of us as to why you do? I have the very distinct feeling that you are not exactly Obama's supporter either, am I wrong?... but of course it won't be because he's black either, i know that...

Edit to add: Oh Some (not "everyone") keep on talking about BC here because our devs had the unfortunate idea of posing for a picture over the weekend with the well know scammer dev of BC. Those interested in defending their support of VRC -as I am- are rather flabbergasted by it.... But I understand you would not understand any of it, of course.

Edit to add 2: By the way, how much profit do you make on every coin you sell? Not that you are not entitled to maker whatever profit those who buy allow you to make but it will be nice to know what your interests in this coin are... beyond the regular investment in it, don't you think?

Only idiots with an agenda want to pretend IE and me are the same person. I put IE on THE WALL OF SHAME. I have been his most acerbic critic, by far (difference is that I am fair and I also recognize what he did for BC and was doing for Liberty).

But this imbecile seems to have some kind of infatuation with IE -who is from a different race and lives 3000 miles away from me-, to the point that he invest, HEAVILY (more than 1 million coins, VOOT, if he is to be believed), in a coin that IE peddles -and continues peddling- right now.

Go figure.

It's quite easy. The guy is an idiot.

Oh and I am no whale by any stretch of imagination, but I have a few VRC, indeed.

What I do is try to sink the boats of the schemers and scammers. Like ARC that I believed I have put to death almost singlehandedly.

Edit (add): I don't know how much of a whale IE is but I do know that he is as widely hated -mostly because he happens to be black, mind you- as he is followed on Twitter where even the haters, like this idiot, follow on his recommendations. Which is quite puzzling to me, frankly.

I fail to see your point -except for the initial idiocy which is , well just plain idiocy.

It is evident and everyone would agree with the rest -- except that BC is trading at 15k now, inching even closer to the foretold death.

Now, the initial idiocy obviously signals that, in spite of being right about BC and VRC, you are a sad imbecile. Sorry.

The Black Hand IS indeed operating in VRC. Joel Bosch IS prominent part of The Black Hand. That said, I believe Nokster when he states that no one but the three devs decides anything in VRC and that Bosch and The Black Hand are just investors, like anyone else and that, as such, he cannot do anything about it.

I believe that the Black Hand has a very big investment in VRC at present, maybe as big as 4.5 million coins or more. I also believe they were behind the very first P&D when the coin went roundtrip from the mid 20s to the mid 50s and back but, again, I believe it is only an oversized whale here: Dangerous but as "legitimate" as any other whale.

Now keep an eye on Bosch, who writes 5 figure checks for promotions that never happen (and check is returned, of course) and that, per Nosker, owns less than 300K (or thereabouts) of VRC. He was supposed to introduce VRC to the world in a huge event with red carpet, worldwide celebrities and CNN and the rest of the media in Miami one of these days. And the devs personally invited by him, everything paid. It, of course, never happened nor will. Remember: He IS Black Hand, keep this in mind. So it is to be expected that he will continue trying to promote, Pirillo and similar crap, not just for his paltry position in the coin but because The Black Hand has a much bigger stake... and not too much patience, so a big Pump -in my opinion-, is soon to come. And, as tried and repeated so many times in BlackCoin, the subsequent dump will leave many VRC buyers holding significant bags, just like they did when it got to the mid-50s.

The big, huge, difference, is that they will be doing this without any inside knowledge, much less control, as opposed to BlackCoin where they were totally in cahoots with the dev team.

Of course you are going to read now all kinds of things from me being Lady Gaga in reality to the ubiquitous "hearsay"... It never fails. Do act at your own discretion though.

Only total idiots -with an agenda- believe that.

Whoever buys into this, cannot complain if he/she loses. There's absolutely nothing here that inspires even a wee bit of confidence.

The time for coins like this is so over...

You are part of the scam that BC is -was because, for all intents and purposes, the coin is dying the slow death that was foretold so many months ago-, as the second banana pool when the don and StGnu's goes downs. It's crumbs, but it is the only thing you have going for you so you stick to it, so your "defense" of the crooks, has only further incriminating effect.

The case is extremely well documented across BitcoinTalk's forums for anyone wanting to waste their time reading the details... as well as the outing of the Doge -by me-. Everyone has read about the camping and actual managing of BC by The Black Hand, fact not only evident (as in evidence) but also fully acknowledged by the visible head of The Black Hand, morituri13/dognip (where are thou now? under what handle you hide these days while the Black Hand movers from DRK to VCR to others? No bragging anymore?), the employee of the PR company that got over $30k from BC for 3 press releases (how's that doing for you, price is "rocketing" ...). There are several threads with all the lurid details, but none so detailed as the original, uncensored  (until they closed it to censor future posts, of course) one, still available, I believe. But there are a lot of details on THE WALL OF SHAME, including and recent exchange, in the wee hours of the morn ing, with the don itself -yep, the crook on the right of the pic-.

So you fan boy, little crummy pig, go back to your lair. Or not. You can still post your bullshit here, like a few of you BC fanboys have been doing recently, as the carrion vultures you are. This is still a free forums and BS people like you can post -and be fully ignored- here, in this uncomfortable and for you unexplored territory where everything is clean and in the open and everybody is free to post whatever they want, even the crap that you have been posting since you became scum fanboy for two-bits of the biggest scam in altcoin territory: Blackcoin.

And I hope the VRC devs show better judgement than posing with such scum in the future for they do know -or should know- very well, what a scammer Rokhlin is.