I don't think so my reasons are,,,first the government use the money realized from it for special duties and payment of salaries again for the maintenance of infrastructures and all that...secondly most countries budgets do come from their taxation. So its cool for a country or group of people to pay taxes
Would it be cool if you were forced to pay a used car dealership for an old car of their choice, for the price of their choice? And if you didn't pay for the old car of their choice, then you might need to defend yourself or go to jail? See you can walk away from that car dealership, and no one is forcing you to buy anything. But you can't walk away from paying the government. You are forced to purchase the service that the government is choosing to give you. If the price is too high for the service you get, you don't have the choice of saying "no thanks, I'll shop around". In an ideal environment, the government will give you exactly what you'd want, but realistically the government gives you exactly what it wants. Then you're stuck with the bill. In Medieval Iceland the legislators were called Chieftains who represented their Assemblymen (basically the head of a household). The Assemblymen were able to choose their Chieftan no matter where they lived. By having a choice of Chieftain it kept them in line. It put some competition in governance. |
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I would say this is the calm before the storm.
I suspect that as Aug 1st gets closer people will have itchy trigger fingers on both sides of the aisle sending the price all over the place.
Though detaching the price from any known position does tend to send it upwards to higher rates. Of course followed by several crashes, etc.
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If taxes gave you value for your money it would be voluntary.  |
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oh vey! really? no taxes?  I recently asked the IRS if I could pay taxes in Bitcoin. They said unfortunately no, taxes need to be paid in US currency as that is the reason for US currency to exist. You really did that? Anyway, it is somewhat an obvious and irrelevant thing. I can't pay my taxes in Bitcoin... neither in USD or any other assets except EUR. But... if you ever due payment, they will take/confiscate ANY asset, liquidate it and use it to pay the debt. Be it USD, stocks, cars, real state... or Bitcoin. Does anyone truly pay their taxes with the money in their pocket? Or do they use a third party service to send their money to the IRS? |
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So the original wall observer chain won out over all of the fork attempts.
BULLISH!1
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Taxes are a hidden kind of theft that legally obliges all citizens to pay money. But when citizens need help in trouble, the state in some countries will not even think of helping someone who for many years has been paying taxes for being thrown out.
You cant just blindly claim that taxes = theft; you shouldn't generalize not only in this topic but also in every topic. It's different for every country and for every government. Taxes are and should be used to pay for economical, government property issues, etc. Not because alot of country's governments are corrupt, it doesn't mean that all of them are. I like to be optimistic and think that there are a few national governments out there that are actually using tax money good and right. It does not matter what the money is spent on. Are taxes voluntary in any country? |
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Tax is not a form of theft because it is use to improve the city and lessen the debt owned by the country. It will be considered theft if the ones who collected the taxes use it for personal gain, only corrupt polition take granted for the taxes paid by us Are taxes voluntary? |
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Price has leveled off pretty well in the $2300-$2600 range. A bubble pop would have sent the price spiraling down. Seems fairly stable.
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Taxation cannot be said to be a theft. It is a matter of a law. There establishs law on soon may phenomenons just like taxation and is ought to be obeyed. The idea or political philosophy that taxation is a theft cannot be sustained because personally I have my doubt on that viewpoint. When people choose to have a government they invariably give up there rights and empowered the government to make law and tax law is not an exception.
When does one choose to have a government? I do not consent. |
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Is there a way to lend USD on Poloniex or can that only be done on Bitfinex?
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No, I don't think its theft. Tax is use to develop roads, schools and other government project for our convenience. It only become theft when government officials get our tax to full their pockets.
If Mother Theresa was born because her mother was raped....would the rape be ok because it resulted in something good? |
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Taxation is rape without the sex. |
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Taxation is a theft if the collected taxes are not using it for the good of the people. Taxation is good if the stakeholders are getting benefits from it.
That's like saying that rape is good if the woman has an orgasm. |
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No. Definitely not. Taxation itself is not theft. Its on how the government collects and use it that makes it theft. But even with the corrupt government, taxation is still the blood of society. Every government services either satisfactory or not is served because of our taxes. The roads, schools, safety patrols, traffic controls, public developments, and etc are made possible because of tax. I know you might think that our taxes are not going anywhere because we cant see massive development. We cant see it because it is very subtle. What our taxes do is maintaining what we already have and slowly improving the community. Our taxes, if in good governement and handled well is very helpful in improving our lives Is taxation consensual? Are you forced or is it voluntary. Plenty of things in this world are funded without force. What makes you believe everything can't be funded without force? |
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pl somebody school me on the bear market from early 2014 to autumn 2015
esp.: was it about the 'scaling debate'
or 'Chinese dumping'
other factors
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ps i get that i can just 'research it myself' - goddamn lazy newbies
but would be interested to hear from this array of commentators
It was mainly due to a correction from a jump over $1k that was far too soon. The correction made for a declining price. The longer the price declined, the less people saw it as a good investment which made it decline even more. And the longer that went on, the worse the track record and the less attractive it was to investors to invest in something that kept losing value month by month. Miners were no longer Bitcoin enthusiasts who held their bitcoins but Chinese miners who sold their bitcoins immediately to pay for high electricity and equipment costs. Miners selling with no new investors to meet the demand meant declining prices. The many bitcoin auctions of the Silk Road bitcoins added quick boosts of supply to the market. Add to that the speculators that could make money by shorting bitcoin or selling their bitcoins in the hopes of buying lower (which was profitable). The trolls pointed to the "willy bot" saying the jump over $1k was created by MtGox. News reports constantly pointed that Bitcoin died when MtGox crashed "Bitcoin hacked!" or some CEO of a Bitcoin company died which turned into "CEO of Bitcoin died". The longer the price declined, the more people believed that the "Bitcoin experiment failed" selling at the bottom. |
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Yes, in the last years they became a theft, it's all about money and ambition.
I was quite sad when in the last years they stopped being voluntary. |
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Speaking of governments.
Does anyone know of any software tools that currently exist to record things such as land titles and other governance types of remediation over the blockchain? I know that these things are theoretically possible, just wondering if anyone had an open source implementation or an open project.
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Actually this is now the main fork, after the other two died dry. BitcoinNewsMagazine one was cool but people stopped posting there for no reason, Meuh sabotaged his own thread...
Elwar, good to see you around, have seen news from Latin America? Things are worst everyday, Maduro is playing a theater in Venezuela, possibly setting the right backstage to his so dreamed coupe d'état. Brasilian President Temer is likely to lose his presidential term due to many corruption accusations. His lawyers are using the same strategy last president used before being impeached. Sounds like desperation.
With so many countries on the brink of collapse I would not be surprised by that desperation leading to some sort of world war. That tends to be a nation's way of covering up their financial problems and pulling everyone together under some false sense of threat. How do you see Bitcoin behaving in this WW scenario? I think nations would crack down on it as some sort of money of the enemy or bans for "national security". It would go underground and likely be the only way many people can feed themselves. Every time there is a terrorist attack in Europe they try to pass some sort of new anti-Bitcoin law. Fiat currencies fuel war. |
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