The only reason you were not listed in THE WALL OF HONOR is the censorship in the IRC channel.

It is, indeed, very good, to know who are the people behind the development of Vericoin. Mind you, even before they came out, the only barrier they did not pass to be included in my WALL OF HONOR was the fact that their thread, this one, is self-moderated.

I believe it is a feature most people in the community wanted as the fad that it is.

There are all kinds of opinions about it of course, all respectable but mine is that there's no place for anon, nor use, on a crypto currency that hopes to break the confines of the very reduced crypto community. All coins will eventually have the best one out there as an option... an option that practyically nobody will use.

While verisend is cool, it is neither trustless nor decentralized. The devs have even said that this is not their main priority.

Sorry but first, I don't believe it is right to keeping the discussion on this board any longer. This is the VRC board.

But since it has been forced into it -a non-moderated one, therefore it cannot be deleted, as opposed to that of NEM, I'd ask you that you refrain from quoting the whole panphlet in potential answers.

I will answer you though: There's no comparison. On many counts.

First and foremost, VRC if a coin easy to "get", perhaps even conventional in many of its main aspects. Yours, on the other hand, requires hours of deep study to even come remotely close of grasping the concept, let alone its working ons. That thing cannot ever be successful, out of its complexity, if you would actually pay good money to people to even contemplate it. Even for geeks, it would be a pain in the butt. Imagine for the "normal" population.. That would be exhibit A.

Exhibit B and C would be the self-moderated  condition of your thread and the anonymity of your many  developers. Vericoin has already established a standard in both those departments and, quite frankly, from my standpoint, no individual with the most elemental common sense would go back and consider, ever, investing in a coin that doesn't meet those standards. I hope and believe that it will be precisely the case from now on. You want to deal in crypto, take down the mask, first, be totally transparent AND allow absolutely non-censored criticism, no if no buts. Of you won't have a business.  Simple enough, fair enough in my book. They are doing quite fine with this new standard, so could you. There's no possible arguments.

For those exhibits/considerations, I submit that Vericoin is quite superior indeed to that other coin of yours and the other one we mentioned before. Quite.

I fail to see the "superiority" but even admitting that it is way above and beyond all others, what is not in dispute is that it lacks severely in practicality due to the length of time required for transactions and total lack of anonymity. Not to mention many other implications from waste of electricity of a bulky blockchain that is far from being secured or even have a future -unless prices of BTC go high enough to make mining somewhat profitable. BTC is not practical for comon purchases on site as Vericoin and many other altos are.

But by way of comparison one assumes other altcoins, not necessarily Bitcoin. And all those cryptos that another poster mentions don't count, not even close, with the transparency and overall clean image of Vericoin which, quite frankly, has set a new standard in that field that the community, logically, has rewarded and I am quite sure will continue rewarding accordingly.

Black hand destroyed blackcoin, they will do the same to this.

Would you kindly enough explain the "superiority" of other coins with respect to Vericoin?

As for the price being high, the coin is being pumped and dumped at the moment by the Black Hand, an organized group rather infamous. Besides that, it is the first coin in cryptoland where the three developers have come forward with their real names, one of them a current programmer at one of the Microsoft's divisions. Logically that "first", along with the perceived qualities present and upcoming, have put a stamp of all around quality quite uncommon in the world of alts.

There's no any superior coins compared to this! Plus imo the price is still very low... Multiply it by 10 and we are on the right track!

As for Joel's abilities, talent and clean purposes, some of us will believe in them after months if not years after delivery or when hell freezes over, whichever comes first.

So how is he going to get his money back plus some profit? And that is not counting what he is going to have to spend in the party, which is several times that  50 figure amount? Perhaps there's some investment on the side via Black Hand? Of he is just a good samaritan throwing money to promote Vericoin with no possibility whatsoever to ever make any money even if Vericoin goes to 400k sat. Or even 4 MILLION sat? Is that what "he legitimately believes in the coin" means?

So altogether you, the 3 devs, have around 1 million coins and you haven't dumped any, is that what you are saying?

hahaha do you guys remember a few weeks ago when vericoin was in the 500-700 sat range. yes thats right 5-7 HUNDRED not thousand. And everyone was worrying and I came on here I was like wtf this coin is a good coin you guys are all crazy haha. read from pages 65-75 you will see what I was saying.

I bought 70,000 VRC lol. for .6 btc. Crazy right?

I sold them all, didn't keep any, i got them all out around 20k, but don't worry, I promise I won't FUD. I definitely regret selling, but whatever I made a lot of money, I guess that's what everyone wants right? I guess I can only be SO angry at myself.

Anyway, to those of you that still hold, and to those who bought in recently, best of luck to you!! This is a solid coin with lots of potential. All I want to do is warn you guys about wizfarm. He was involved in the bc debacle, and the cinni debacle...and I think we all realize the reason why bc and cinni price won't rise is because of the unfair distribution. To those of you who question wizfarms "deep pockets" and where he gets all that money from, bc and cinni are your answer. So I stay away from anything wizfarm is involved in and I wouldn't touch him with a 3987657 foot pole haha.

Miami - "A sunny place for shady people"

^I am from pembroke pines/ west palm beach area so I know what I am talking about haha

First of all, lets make this perfectly clear: I have no indication whatsoever that there was anything wrong, in the way of scams, with Vericoin. As a matter of fact the only obstacle to list Vericoin in the WALL OF HONOR was the fact that their thread is censored and much more censored their IRC,. Also as a matter of fact, not only I have traded Vericoin quite successfully in the recent past but I also hold, at the time of this writing, what I consider a significant investment in it.

Most of the previous considerations held true... until the dawn of June 25 when, continuing an upside trend of significance, Vericoin experimented a huge pump of almost 80% to a high above 46000 sat (on Cryptsy... peculiarly the high was just 38666 on Mintpal. The subsequent dump -both on huge volume- took it down to 25/26 on Mintpal and Cryptsy respectively. "It is just another pump & dump instance", you say? well, color me a bit skeptical if you will for I believe I have circumstantial evidence that points to an infiltration of The Black Hand in Vericoin. You know, the infamous Black Hand of Blackcoin that I have uncovered (not that they were precisely hiding their activities, more like brag about them by the visible leader of the gang, Morituri13/Dognip).

This P&D has the footprints of the so many times repeated scheme on Blackcoin that, to me, reveals a clear modus operandi. But lets forget about the gut feeling and go with the evidence: We all know, since a couple days ago, who the developers of Vericoin are: Two students from Rutgers University and one ex- Rutgers alumni who works as a programmer for Microsoft, Open Drive division. These guys had no connection whatsoever with Blackcoin, right? Well, not quite. One of them Patrick Nosker, has expressed and posted "appreciation" of Blackcoin... not exactly something he has dispensed towards other competing coins. Besides, I believe they have somehow adopted for Vericoin some of the features of Blackcoin. What they have shared with Blackcoin, for sure, is an investing game which is the brainchild of Eugene (Yevgeniy) Rokhlin  and his associate St.Gnu, both owners of the Blackcoin multipool, and both core members of the dev team at Blackcoin as well as their foundation. Nothing in itself suspicious at all, right?

But there's more. A certain Joel Bosh, better known as a Howie Mandel look-and-copied-style-alike, Puerto Rican of Cuban parents and owner of a clothing company in Miami, known in crypto for some of his handles, such as WizFarm and WizRig, as well as for being instrumental and host of the Blackcasts of Blackcoin, is all of a sudden all over the place not just promoting Vericoin but also "brokering" deals for them. Now Bosch is Black Hand I'm pretty sure, and he is also a Miami resident... coincidentally the city where both Blackcoin and Vericoin just have happened to contract separate PR agencies to promote their respective coins. Furthermore, I believe Morituri13/Dognip actually works for the one that Blackcoin contracted and that was visited by the infamous Soepkip in flowery pants. Soepkip posed at the entrance of the PR firm with none other than a very formally at-work-dressed Morituri13/Dognip. So, same deal, different firm, same location, same commission for Bosch? I can't know for sure at this stage, but all of these circumstances point very clear to me towards one direction. And it is ALWAYS, WHERE THE MONEY IS. And the money is in the P&Ds, same exact formula than the one used so many times, successfully, in Blackcoin.

So what is what I call The Black Hand or La Mano Nera? Well, in the real world, they would have been thrown in jail a long time ago for what they do is organized crime, pure and simple. Oh not strong arming anyone for "protection", mind you, but the newer version of insider trading which, in crypto, means to actually decide the actions and strategies to procure the most profitable pump and dump schemes, from the time and place of the investments of the "mined" proceedings to the creation of The Black Shield to dump into it under the pretension that it's a tool to try and stabilize the price. In the warped world of crypto, this type of activity is not just condoned or ignored by the BC community, but it is even something to brag about. And brag he (morituri13/Dognip) did, posting on the original BC thread that they were "a group of investors, without formal contract, just some papers signed". This "group of investors" is the one facilitating the unload of the millions of coins premined by Yevgeniy and his associates, designing the strategy and donating significant amounts towards the contract of BC with Morituri13's PR firm, and also donating the Titan drawn for the benefit of Yevgeniy and St.GNU's pool, among many other deeds.

There are other "groups of investors" manipulating crypto markets, of course. The difference is that The Black Hand operates from the inside, with not just access to inside information, all the information, but also actually designing the overall strategy. Quite a big difference indeed. The difference between freedom and jail in the real world.

Has The Black Hand infiltrated Vericoin? I cannot know for sure. You will have to be the judge.