localbitcoins is still above $400 while sheeple are panicing while looking at the crappy btc-e/bitstamp small valuations
wake up sheep theres less actual bank movements on exchanges compared to localbitcoins
stop valuing bitcoins 13 million coins based on movements of just 200 coins!!!!
exchanges are just bot movements on a mysql database..
Calling people "sheep" who may disagree with your opinion is unlikely to get them on side. You at least resisted the temptation to use "sheeple". Oh wait, you didn't
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If you have some solar panels at home maybe it could work out your profit.
I have 5kw of solar panels at home and am currently pulling in an average of 25KwH per day. I get three times more money selling the power to the grid than using it to make bitcoins. The sold power is tax free, refund from the power company comes automatically once every three months, there are no exchange fees to pay and I don't need to hand over my private info to some anonymous exchange in eastern Europe. In other words, although I could mine for 'free' during the day, I would be losing a lot of money doing so.
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I am so confused what is actually happening with this site?
Is it legit? It is safe? Are they bringing back the sig campaign? Whats going on!?
There are still unexplained things going on at DB. Previously it was deliberate fraud, now there's a question about verifying bets and skipped bets. I don't see where DB's admin can go with this. When it comes to betting, verification, payouts and logs, the site has to be perfect. 100% bug free. The latest explanation from the admin was that a value was updated in the database but not the user interface. It doesn't address other allegations, and also raises concerns about the programming done. Why DB's admin would store the same value in multiple locations is a mystery. Surely that opens up the easy possibility of errors if one location is changed but not another. When problems are raised the official line from DB's admin appears to be 'why are you still playing here, go away, I don't need you'.
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I haven't but I took a bunch of screenshots, so I will be looking over this more thoroughly. I can tell you from feel though that it started happening around when I hit 410 BTC
It's best to stick to hard evidence than feelings. I remember when Nakowa was having his way with Just Dice and cleaning out the investors. During a break from betting dooglus changed the was seeds were used or calculated (details are buried on this forum) and after that Nakowa started to hand back his winnings when betting resumed. Of course, Nakowa accused dooglus of rigging the site even though it was still provably fair. Nakowa said the game just didn't 'feel' the same. We know DB cheated once, and it seems something odd is happening again. Under no circumstances should a betting log ever change, no matter when it's viewed or how. If DB is relying on realtime calculated values when showing bet logs then it's not a true log of what happened. DB's admin gave the explanation that max bet size had changed in one place but not another. Nope, that shouldn't have any impact at all if the site is programmed properly.
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The nonce skipping didn't start until I had the site in the negative.
All I can say is: luck
I wish I had your luck Have you verified your entire betting run and noticed more skipped nonces? It would be very damning against DB if skipped nonces only occurred after a 'oh shit, we're losing big time' flag was raised at DB and the game switched to rigged mode. Then again, it's not like we can do anything. DB's operator is anonymous and all we can do is agitate on this forum.
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One of my initial questions to 'keegan' hasn't been answered: how did the player knock the site profit from 340 to around -30 in one YOLO session of mostly flat betting on a site that allegedly keeps skipping winning nonces? It should be even harder to rape the profit like that.
Sure, the profit did rise to around 205 by the end of the YOLO betting session and that's when the accusation of skipping nonces came out. Was there any skipping of losing bets earlier?
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The last 4 images were captured AFTER I changed my seed. As you can see, they inserted the skipped nonces and fudged the payout amounts in order to keep the sum the same.
I'm not sure 3933 was skipped. I have your betting (my account, viewing high bets) on my screen at the moment and it's showing the nonces in the correct order, including the 1.375 win. Am I missing something? look at the images I posted again. After I changed my seed, they added the skipped nonces, but screwed with the profit amounts. The first images are from right after it happened, the last few are from after I changed my seed. You're right. Very odd. Seems DB hasn't got all of its problems sorted out if the betting logs, the very essence of the site can change without apparent reason. So, what was your secret to pulling such a large profit on DB so quickly? People have complained that their winning bets were being skipped causing players to lose a lot, very quickly. You managed to rake in a butt load of bitcoins (and cost me 0.1btc of my investment, donations welcome ).
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The last 4 images were captured AFTER I changed my seed. As you can see, they inserted the skipped nonces and fudged the payout amounts in order to keep the sum the same.
I'm not sure 3933 was skipped. I have your betting (my account, viewing high bets) on my screen at the moment and it's showing the nonces in the correct order, including the 1.375 win. Am I missing something?
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I'm keegan_bernier
Dicebitcoin is still selectively skipping nonces. I have proof.
Are you going to share your findings? Considering what happened with DB earlier, I would think publically posting the information is much more preferable than sharing it discretely with DB management. After all, DB promised they found and fixed all the compromised code.
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Hmm, keegan has stopped its run after handing back a large chunk of its profits. Still up around 135btc. The run finished when keegan lost 24 31% chance bets in a row.
Odds of that are about 1 in 17,000. How many rolls did he play? Don't know overall. Just watching the high bets window and those 24 are the last ones played. I would be very happy with a 135btc run too.
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Hmm, keegan has stopped its run after handing back a large chunk of its profits. Still up around 135btc. The run finished when keegan lost 24 31% chance bets in a row.
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To the people cleaning out DB again right now, I would urge them to quit while they're ahead. 340btc profit is rather nice. They know what happened to mateo: he/she/it played, won big, and then handed back all the winnings plus interest.
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Hmm, 340 profit down to almost 0. These people sure are lucky.
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People who post HYIP and Ponzi schemes here should automatically get a scammer tag, especially the ones who post referral links. Border line cases would be questions posing as advertisements, something along the lines of 'I've invested in this scam, it's very profitable, will it continue to pay I wonder....?'
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The bubble was almost certainly the sole work of the MtGox bots. They didn't create the entire bubble, they just drove it. That in turn sucked more speculators in as they bought with the belief of doubling their money within a few weeks. If you're running the largest bitcoin exchange and no one is checking your books, you're pretty much free to do whatever you want. Karpeles got caught running a fractional reserve exchange and couldn't stop despite having the higher price per bitcoin for months. People smelled something bad and wanted out, trouble is MtGox suddenly had mysterious trouble paying out. How odd.
Since the demise of MtGox there have been small attempts to reinflate the bubble but nothing has really worked. I'm frankly surprised we're not sitting much lower than $375 right now.
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Sometimes people sell on the way down because they believe the price will be even lower in a week, or a month. I sold some bitcoins at $1k when this forum was full of cheer squads claiming $10k was the next target. Why did I sell? Because I believed the price was 'good enough' value.
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If we just believe, we can make this happen. It's all the negative non believers who are crashing the party. If we pulled our Asks and placed them all at over $10k, we could have $10k tomorrow. People would be so desperate to buy bitcoins that they would be begging us to buy them at $10k. Then we shift Asks to $100k. If we only just believe.
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No one really knows what the price of bitcoins will be in 2015. Did anyone predict bitcoin going from $10 to $1200 within 12 months? Wild stabs in the dark are fine (bitcoin will be $100k in 2020, there, I said it) but if there was no action taken to leverage that prediction (and put money on the line) then it's just useless speculation.
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Everyone who believes that bitcoin is undervalued because people don't really care about bitcoin atm. Like they didn't care about the internet back in the 90s...
Surprising thing is the Internet was very popular in the late 90s. PayPal didn't exist, using eBay was a pain because you had to wire money manually, and online banking was virtually unheard of, but the concept of looking up information, online gaming, and ordering products online from merchants using credit card was already well established. Remember the dotcom boom exploded in March 2000 so pretty much everything up to that point in the mania cycle happened in the 90s.
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Bankroll is up to 1600 again so people are beginning to trust the site again. The best way to restore trust is to run it without any incidents for a long time. Hopefully operations are smooth from here on.
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