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581  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Electricity at 0 cost with this development on: September 04, 2013, 02:18:03 AM
hmm what about plutonium.. It's new under the sun..

Contrary to popular belief, plutonium is not a synthetic element:

Quoteth wiki: "Plutonium is the heaviest primordial element by virtue of its most stable isotope, plutonium-244, whose half-life of about 80 million years is just long enough for the element to be found in trace quantities in nature."
582  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Profitability of the new bfl monarchs (600ghs) on: September 03, 2013, 12:04:20 AM
Don't forget to add 10% GST plus Customs duty for processing the paperwork to get the unit into Australia.
583  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Everybody who gives BFL more money is a fool on: September 01, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
Can difficulty increase 30% every 2000 blocks for months on end?  Eventually people will stop ordering new ASICs if their ROI disappears and the growth in difficulty will taper off.

What we have to deal with first is the massive backlog of BFL and other orders still to appear on the network. 
584  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Electricity at 0 cost with this development on: September 01, 2013, 02:07:50 PM
Energy cannot be created, and it cannot be destroyed.  There is no 'ether' background energy in the universe to tap into and exploit without cost.  Plenty of youtube videos claim otherwise but the claims are always, without exception, frauds or jokes on gullible viewers.
585  Economy / Speculation / Re: AVAdayTrader... I'm here to change your lives. on: August 30, 2013, 01:32:54 AM
It's always curious how people like the OP only post their winning trades.  A bit like the casino player who claims they usually win.  If the OP is highly successful in his trades and making money then why does he need to tell everyone how he does it?  Usually people like this shut up and keep quiet.  It reminds me of cold callers telling me about this week's fantastic opportunity to make loads of money.  If the deal is so good why aren't they mortgaging their own home and maxing out the credit cards to use it themselves?

"Beware the advice of successful people; they do not seek company"
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-05-13/
586  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Allow me to drop some maths (so i can cry my soul out) on: August 28, 2013, 04:21:49 AM
The 'coulda woulda shoulda' approach to investing is always dangerous.  I'm sure many of us wished we had bought bitcoins when the bubble burst from $32 to $2 in late 2011.  I wish I hadn't stopped mining back then, or sold bitcoins in 2011 that were generated on a lowly GPU that at today's price was generating $100 per day.  If only... if only... you'll be much happier abandoning all such thoughts.

Bitcoin is itself an insidious trap.  If your ASIC mines a bitcoin today do you sell it to cover the ASIC's cost and electricity requirements, or do you hold it for another 3 years and hope to get $1k for the bitcoin?  Or wait longer?  In fact, why use bitcoins at all when their value tomorrow is 'guaranteed' to be worth more than today?
587  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Network Difficulty increase 20% to 35% & Estimated ROI BFL/Avalon/KNC/Bitfury on: August 27, 2013, 12:21:20 AM
Keep in mind that all ASIC gear sold to date is going to be 'throw away' equipment. In a 12-18 months 1 TH/s miners will be selling for about 500 bucks. A prosumer miner will have 10 to 20 of them. Hard core/ professional will have 200 - 500 units. And everyone that trys to mine will have at least 1 TH/S.

I wish there was a way to bet on this.  Between August 2014 and February 2015 mining hardware will be selling for 1/20th of the current price?  Bear in mind that comparison is made against the cheapest hardware available today, the BFL Monarch.  Only problem is it's not available today, and will possibly ship by December 2013 and probably January or February 2014.  Within 7 to 13 months after that the price on the card will collapse to around $300?  Hmm.
588  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How did you get in to bitcoin/altcoin mining? on: August 26, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
Now I happily mine a long list of alt-coins. Making roughly 300-500% more than if I were mining BTC. (Mining and trading.) Sadly watching as BTC lowers in value, per hash, making everyone less money, except those few with major machines. Essentially blowing the majority of initial investors out onto the streets.

Bitcoin was always about making a bank free transaction system, not about making people guaranteed double digit returns.  The former is the feature, the latter a side effect that can cease to exist.  There are already more than enough bitcoins out there for the few businesses that use them to adequately transfer money.  Users of bitcoins don't care one bit how much processing time, hardware, or power was used to create the bitcoin.  To the end user it doesn't matter whether they're using a bitcoin generated on a Pentium 4 in 2010 or an ASIC today. 

There are more than enough hobbyists, true believers and people with vested interest in bitcoin to continue mining long after it's no longer profitable to do so.  Mining didn't cease in late 2011 when the price collapsed 90% from its bubble.
589  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: How did you get in to bitcoin/altcoin mining? on: August 26, 2013, 11:59:35 AM
In early 2011 I saw a headline on slashdot about bitcoin's price crossing $1.  I didn't take much notice then, but a few weeks later was puzzled as to why the cracking rate on Distributed.Net's RC5-72 challenge was dropping off.  Where were the GPUs going that were previously used on that?  That's when I did some digging around and saw they could be used for bitcoin.  Been following and mining bitcoin ever since.
590  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs New 600GH "Mining Card" - RED FLAGS?!?! on: August 25, 2013, 12:26:59 PM


"they're", not their.
591  Economy / Economics / Re: Why bitcoin will appreciate forever on: August 20, 2013, 04:54:15 AM
Bitcoin will only appreciate in value "forever" if people who want to own bitcoins are willing to pay ever higher prices for them.  There is also always scope for something better, faster and easier to use to come along which can send bitcoin's value plummeting.  Enjoy the ride and don't forget to cash out to cover all costs.
592  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin could see a surge in demand from India on: August 20, 2013, 04:51:28 AM
I'm just speculating here, but the situation in India is becoming increasingly favourable to bitcoin adoption:

Indians with their money in gold instead of rupee must be smiling right now.  Bitcoin adds the benefit of easily bypassing government capital controls too.  There is a long and proud history of owning gold and being skeptical of paper money in the country.

The problems for Indian bitcoin adoption are large however.  Unless an easy to use bitcoin client is available for very basic mobile phones most Indians could not afford to own, transmit and receive bitcoins.  The country is plagued by frequent blackouts (every PC has a UPS) which may undermine people's trust in a purely electronic currency.  
593  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL announces 28nm 600GH/S blade for $4680 on: August 19, 2013, 12:59:32 AM
I am one of the still relatively rare happy BFL customers who received my order within only 9 months of ordering.  Watching the difficulty with which BFL developed the product and after experiencing the many levels of frustration that BFL unleashed, I am very reluctant to buy the new product.  Maybe I'm a fool and when people are mining in early 2014 with these devices I'll be green with jealousy, but in the meantime I can live without the stress of potentially losing my money.  Despite BFL already having experience with ASICs, I feel moving to a new process and new board design will make it unlikely the product will ship any time during 2013.

No credit card option and therefore no protection from BFL going under before they can ship makes the deal untenable.
594  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: A lot of reserve hashing power is coming on: August 14, 2013, 03:32:10 PM

My bet is they will run miners anyway, 500W is a drop in home budget and with everyone hoping for 1k+ USD BTC, they will run them just in case. There will be no asic selloff.

The problem is the time, with a high difficulty, a 500W machine might take you two months to mine a coin, why not just buy one coin directly

Many people I know have no idea how much electricity costs, apart from "too much".  Power bills don't pop out separate billing for mining and some people are spectacularly bad at maths or just ignorant.  You would be surprised how many people consider spending $1 per day for 180 days to be cheaper than buying a bitcoin for $100 solely because they see the $100 hit all in one go.

Then there's the case of junior running a mining operation from his bedroom (early bitcoin miners would have plenty of 50c per bitcoin coins) and dad not noticing until it's too late.  Junior may not have $1k to buy some bitcoins but he sure can leech off daddy's power bill as it's 'free'.
595  Economy / Economics / Re: The very sad truth about Bitcoin : It might die to gambling on: August 09, 2013, 05:28:10 AM
There are three things that can kill bitcoin: narcotics trade, underage porn, and funding terrorism.  Any one of these three can be used by major governments around the world to declare the trade in bitcoins illegal.  That would automatically scare off any bank from converting bitcoins to money and back again.  Banks that continue to facilitate trade would be locked out of the international money markets.  It wouldn't be worth supporting a niche market like bitcoin.

I don't think gambling is a threat however.  Site operators are unlikely to hoard everything they earn simply because there needs to be trade and a velocity of bitcoins being traded for them to be worth anything.  If a group locked up all 21 million bitcoins tomorrow they would become worthless overnight as everyone else moves to another trading platform.
596  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Network difficulty can't continue at 75% per month... on: August 09, 2013, 12:51:54 AM
Currently it costs me $3 to create one bitcoin worth $100 using my ASICs with very high power costs.  Someone in China on a commercial power contract would probably be cranking bitcoins out at the cost of 50c each.  Therefore mining will remain profitable for a very long time to come.  The difficulty could be 30 times higher than it is today with no change in bitcoin's price and I would still mine.

You're right that we can't continue at 75% per month.  Eventually sanity prevails and people see ASICs no longer are rivers of gold.  Currently however, they are.  If you can get your hands on a BFL unit right now it's all good.
597  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Will a peak oil economy be able to sustain a bitcoin mining economy? on: August 09, 2013, 12:45:29 AM
Once the oil is finished the lights will go out and life as we have been accustomed to will be gone forever... Sad

The oil is never 'finished'.  Production will never cease under Peak Oil theory and it will always be available.  What Peak Oil does predict is that demand will eventually outstrip supply because supply falls.  The price (in real terms) then rockets up as customers compete for what's available.  Many people become priced out of the market and cannot buy fuel or the products its made from.  But oil never actually runs out.

How will that affect bitcoin?  Well, if the situation ever arises I think we have far more important things to worry about than an internet commodity.  Like food, water, and security.
598  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Not worth mining any longer for anyone not already in. Am I wrong? on: August 08, 2013, 12:40:37 AM
ROI achieved on Jalapenos received in early July, including electricity, interest, and tax (yes, income tax on income earned).  Paid with USD$ and have now received more USD$ than previous input.  Mission accomplished.

 Anyone buying an ASIC today needs to have fast delivery.  BFL will in the very best scenario ship new 5Gh orders made today by the end of September.

just out of curiosity, that means you sold the bitcoins for USD then, correct?

i was under the assumption that bitcoins themselves weren't counted as income

Yes, I sold the bitcoins and converted them to my local currency.  Once the money arrives in my bank account it's a little hard to hide the income from the government  Wink  I don't declare bitcoins still in my wallet as to me, they're like shares or a brick of silver with constantly fluctuating value. 
599  Economy / Speculation / Re: Everyone will cash out at $1000 on: August 07, 2013, 04:14:53 AM
The interesting thing about the last price mania and run up from $10 to $266 within a few months is why $266 was the magic number this time.  It could be that the number of suckers left to pile money in ran out, or maybe enough people thought 'this price has been rising exponentially for weeks, it violates common sense for it to continue, sell!' 

If bitcoin enjoys another strong run up towards $1k and maybe beyond we will again experience the same situation.  The key factor is, as always, that simply sitting on your bitcoin stash while doing absolutely nothing is the path to riches.  That doesn't seem sustainable.
600  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Not worth mining any longer for anyone not already in. Am I wrong? on: August 05, 2013, 03:27:06 AM
ROI achieved on Jalapenos received in early July, including electricity, interest, and tax (yes, income tax on income earned).  Paid with USD$ and have now received more USD$ than previous input.  Mission accomplished.

 Anyone buying an ASIC today needs to have fast delivery.  BFL will in the very best scenario ship new 5Gh orders made today by the end of September.
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