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Economy / Speculation / Re: 70k bidwall at $2.65
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on: November 29, 2011, 01:25:08 AM
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Just speculating (because thats what this forum is for) but maybe this has to do with the fox news story last night? Maybe a new big player just had their money clear and is buying lots of bitcoin. Either that or the manipulator truely figures we have hit the bottom and is buying back in.
If somebody new is buying in I really doubt they would put up a nice large bid 'wall' like that. It's our friend, the market player, coming back in for another spin.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears take on the current price? Input need from Bears only
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on: November 29, 2011, 12:45:15 AM
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One thing we have consistently seen over the past few months is a plateau of stability where people think 'phew! the price has stabilised and can't fall further', right before new lows due to rapid sell offs. Falling from $4 to $2 is just as bad as $30 to $15, percentage wise. I don't think bitcoins will once again be worth cents each, but I also think people are placing far too much hope in future developments. The 50 to 25 btc block reward is one such very often claimed hope. I actually think it would place pressure to reduce the price of bitcoins, not increase them. It's like doubling the difficulty today.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin and Hype Cycle
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on: November 28, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
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I consider myself to be a hoarder and there are more and more interesting products coming along and I buy more often, especially now when it is Christmas time
I think its important to distinguish bitcoin as a store of wealth from bitcoin as a transaction facilitator. Currently these functions are still almost completely unrelated. As a result, for now it doesnt make sense to "hoard" bitcoins, you can freely spend any bitcoin you have on anything you want to buy and just replenish your wallet the same day and continue "hoarding". So for most people there is no brake on spending bitcoins. Now imagine a distant future where your salary is paid in bitcoins and your utility bill is due in bitcoin and most of your wealth is stored in bitcoins. If bitcoin value is rising sharply or you expect it to, then you might be very reluctant to spend your coins as you have no way to "replenish" them. That is when hoarding might become a real issue, but thats still decades away IMO. I like your optimism: talking about the bitcoin future decades from now. Three decades ago people were wetting themselves to have a home computer with 64kb of RAM. Two decades ago few people outside of academia had heard of the Internet. Maybe bitcoin is the next big thing, but I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it. Hoarding isn't an issue right now as we're still in the price deflationary stage after the bubble burst. Should the price reinflate there will once again be pressure not to spend, as a bitcoin tomorrow can buy more than a bitcoin today. Some industries work well on this premise, such as the computer hardware industry. But having a currency that discourages spending is an experiment I'll be watching with great interest.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Premonition - Bitcoin skyrockets above 30$
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on: November 27, 2011, 03:15:40 AM
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I dream that someone finds a compelling use for bitcoins beyond the Silk Road. There are none yet.
Actually there is. But people do not comprehend it. yet... Secret hint: Look on what people in the 3rd world are currently lacking and how this can be changed. apply worldwide. Over two billion people lack a proper toilet to take a dump into every day. An electronic P2P currency requiring a computer equal to their yearly wage in cost is probably far from their immediate concerns. More people in India have access to a cell phone than a "proper" toilet. Half of the planet live in cultures that do not value Western concepts of hygiene. Your statement above is irrelevant. Okay, I know your comment is in jest (as it doesn't make sense any other way). But I'll bite. Having traveled through India I saw what the locals did with their waste and the condition of the rivers. Bacteria don't care about Western or Eastern values, political correctness or whether people have mobile phones or not. Bacteria don't discriminate in the people that they infest or in the illness caused. Hygienic disposal of waste is obviously far more important than mobile phone ownership.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: What's up with the spread?
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on: November 26, 2011, 03:23:20 AM
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Which website spread are you refering to?
He would be referring to the MtGox/TH spread: According to bitcoincharts, $2.51 versus $2.39. Huge difference that no one seems to be taking advantage of. I would suggest TH is having technical problems at the moment. No problem that I'm aware of (except that they did not process my wire deposit request on schedule again.) I've been trading all day with not problems. The answer is rather obvious. It 'problem' comes and goes and has been doing so for weeks (if not months) which anyone paying attention would know. There is simply not enough people with funds in Tradehill who are willing to buy at the prices that people are on Mt. Gox. There has been a much higher supply on Tradehill for at least a few weeks (possibly the haul from a theft) and it takes a lot of interest to dig through it. The handful of people doing arbitrage burnt out and need time to replenish their funds. You don't have to make this a harder problem than it is. TH's price has usually been very close to MtGox's for the past several months that I've been observing the price. It's an aberration, not usual behaviour, to see large spreads between the two.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: What's up with the spread?
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on: November 26, 2011, 02:33:10 AM
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Which website spread are you refering to?
He would be referring to the MtGox/TH spread: According to bitcoincharts, $2.51 versus $2.39. Huge difference that no one seems to be taking advantage of. I would suggest TH is having technical problems at the moment.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: What dictates the bitcoin price
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on: November 25, 2011, 06:39:02 AM
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What dictates the price? On the way up people were buying because the price was going up. That was the only reason to buy, if people are truly honest. On the way down people were buying for a quick profit, others were selling while the price was high and didn't fall further.
Where does that leave us today? Unknown. Could go up from here, but could also easily languish under $1 for years.
I think you need to do more research into coins and markets. 2013=Half as many btc mined every 24hrs also, Global power costs are a major factor in btc prices there are ALOT of things that change the value Literally more than a pages worth if typed incorrectly Everyone is so convinced that a halving of the block reward in 2013 will automatically lead to an increase in bitcoin's price. I wager that it won't. Why? We have seen previously that difficulty does not support price. Difficulty follows price down as miners pull out. Where difficulty was once 1.8M it's struggling to maintain 1.1M. A halving in the block reward is the exact same thing as doubling the difficulty right now in terms of reward per kilowatt of power spent. What do people think would happen? Would bitcoin's price double, or would even more miners pull out because they're all mining at a loss (stolen or 'free' power not withstanding). Remember that speculators absolutely do not care about how much money was spent to create the bitcoins they are juggling back and forth. They would happily trade the bitcoins a miner sold at a loss all day. The cost to produce it doesn't effect them. What sane miner would sell at a loss? Those that see the price falling further and decide to cut their losses. We're probably looking at many of them right now, who are still mining underwater in the hope of selling bitcoins for more money in the future. That creates a large overhang in selling pressure well into the future. I have done plenty of actual research into markets and economics. Bitcoin doesn't really have a market. 'It's worth what people will pay for it'. Yes, true, but there's very little apart from speculation and niche uses holding the value up.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: What dictates the bitcoin price
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on: November 25, 2011, 04:21:14 AM
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What dictates the price? On the way up people were buying because the price was going up. That was the only reason to buy, if people are truly honest. On the way down people were buying for a quick profit, others were selling while the price was high and didn't fall further.
Where does that leave us today? Unknown. Could go up from here, but could also easily languish under $1 for years.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Who else thinks Bitcoin is going to $1000 by Jan 1?
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on: November 24, 2011, 12:58:18 PM
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It's going to hit $1000 by Jan 1 for sure.
$1000 Zimbabwean dollars.
At least when my currency devalues, it doesn't get heavier to buy a loaf of bread. Million dollar idea: Bitcoin for loaves of bread. Shipped. Look on the bright side. At least they had no shortage of toilet paper. Savvy speculators snapped up mint condition Zimbabwean banknotes and put them on eBay. I bought a $1 trillion Zimbabwean banknote a few months ago, to go with my Yugoslavian 500 billion dinar banknote. A 50 million Weimar Republic banknote also joined the collection.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Premonition - Bitcoin skyrockets above 30$
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on: November 24, 2011, 12:55:44 PM
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Over two billion people lack a proper toilet to take a dump into every day. An electronic P2P currency requiring a computer equal to their yearly wage in cost is probably far from their immediate concerns.
So stop giving all the money to middle-men and start paying people to be productive. Eliminating the failing bank system is a good start. I'm giving out plenty of money to middle-men at the moment. Just took out a mortgage to buy a house. The bank is loving it. Couldn't get the builder to accept bitcoins.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Premonition - Bitcoin skyrockets above 30$
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on: November 24, 2011, 05:45:42 AM
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I dream that someone finds a compelling use for bitcoins beyond the Silk Road. There are none yet.
Actually there is. But people do not comprehend it. yet... Secret hint: Look on what people in the 3rd world are currently lacking and how this can be changed. apply worldwide. Over two billion people lack a proper toilet to take a dump into every day. An electronic P2P currency requiring a computer equal to their yearly wage in cost is probably far from their immediate concerns.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: How fast will bitcoin recover?
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on: November 24, 2011, 05:42:56 AM
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You don't think there is any reason to buy? What about recently when the Price dropped from 3.80 to what it is now the manipulator cashed out all there is left to do is buy buy buy. I think we will see a rally soon enough downward trend has stopped and guarantee the manipulator is looking to turn his hefty amount of cash back into bitcoins again
Just because a price has fallen gives people no reason to buy back in. We've seen plenty of examples in regards to bitcoin over the past few months. What happens if the 'manipulator' decides to cash out his or her earnings and play in another market, such as shares, bonds or commodities? Just because the money was made on bitcoins doesn't mean it has to stay in this market. The guarantee that the 'manipulator' is ready to jump back in is backed by nothing.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: EVERYONE CALM DOWN
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on: November 23, 2011, 10:44:20 AM
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Really sucks that this died, forums dying, support dying price dying, bitcoins have become pointless and does now seem to have been a ponzi or pyramid scheme lol Just wish I would have hit it hard at 30 bux.
You're not the only one. Many people wish they could have dumped their bitcoins for at least $20 each. Anyone claiming they didn't mind missing the bubble just isn't very good at math.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: It's quiet... *too* quiet!
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on: November 23, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
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Market volatility should be driving innovation, not disregarded as "bad". Volatility may be the future that western civ is headed towards, whether bitcoins become widely used or not. If your business can handle bitcoin it can handle anything.
Merchants usually don't like to receive $10 for their sale... make that $9.50 a minute later. No, $8.50 5 minutes later. Oh look, it's up to $11. No, back to $8.50 again. It's fun for speculators but not for people who want to know how much money they are getting, one minute to the next. For the foreseeable future bitcoin is directly tied into the value of other currencies. A business doesn't have to handle bitcoin at all to be successful (well, unless it's Silk Road).
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Economy / Speculation / Re: It's quiet... *too* quiet!
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on: November 23, 2011, 06:11:25 AM
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It's actually quite nice when the price isn't falling 5 or 10% within a few minutes. Some of the crazy trading action in recent weeks has been triggered by Bitcoinica. While speculators profit everyone else who wants to use bitcoin for something useful (they do exist, somewhere) are hurt by the massive volatility.
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