I believe in FACTS, nothing else. So let's state few simple facts:
Then I will give you these simple facts: I repeat this one: The SOLE reason BC went to 95k was the fforst of IconicExpert. All of them itemized profusely in many threads but mostly in the original -now closed but readily available- one. For four or five days, IconicExpert quadrupled the value of LibertyCoin before the scam dev decided to destroy it when IE was pushed to take over. It has since lost 90%+ of it's value. Currently he is promoting CLOAK. Take a look at what that one's doing. I included IconicExpert in the Wall of Shame because he said he would give to charity the donations for his Wall Street project instead of returning them to the donors. I believe that is wrong and therefore I have included him in the Wall of Shame. That doesn't mean what he has accomplished is even open for debate when it is, was and will be, so easily demonstrated. Those are clear, specific facts. Regarding BC I have talked enough about that scam. Coinkite is a very stupid idea that will never work and open to anything, really, including BC, and the Wall Street Journal is not in any way, shape or form connected with BC. If you want to ignore the Black Hand operation on the inside of BC (admitted in the public forums), then you are NOT really interested in facts. |
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I have implicitly made proposals already: That website? gone. A liability. The June 20th date, gone, too hasty. The distribution? scratch it and start again.
I have a ton more. But that's not what any of the people posting on this board is interested in hearing. So I pack my marvels and go. Fair enough?
Well I - a non-miner - at least read with interest your posting, although I feel not entirely qualified to comment. But if you have indeed more ideas I'm sure they will get the attention they deserve. What I think is that a culture should be built around the theme of the coin, Honor. And some specific usages associated with that theme. Otherwise the salvaging operation is really kind of pointless feat. Precisely my point. The name is this coin only asset as of now. That and the fact it is already listed in two exchanges. But we can see easily already, the conflict here: The miners and the non-miners. Miners want not just to keep on mining if there's a remote chance of survival, but, logically, to amass tens of thousands of coins; the non-miners, on the other hand, don't care about the mining part one bit, logically. Since Jarvis is, arguably, the biggest miner and he is taking over this project, also logically -but in my opinion very wrongly- he is designing this restoration to favor himself and the miners. Hence, the conflicting situation that, again in my opinion, will sink the coin before it even starts. Now the theme of Honor, I agree is the strongest selling point. And a reach out to the entire community of Crypto and even the real world, is not just possible, I believe it would be welcome ... under the right circumstances. Like FREE circumstances. Como join us for free, here are some coins for you. Not 2 million, not 10 million... the WHOLE shebang. In a proper way. With a big splash, reaching to everyone. Remember that the "miner's delight" was the bait for scamming the miners, not a plan for success, just a quick scam to get the miners blinded by greed. The restoration, as it stands, incurs -only doubly so- in the same lack of concept and lack of plan. |
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ey mr barabbas, i m a newbie and you are more experienced than me, no doubt about this. But you seem a man with too much bla bla bla. I has not been frauded from the previous dev, because i m not stupid and only a voluntary blind could believe in that bad and rude and incomplete communications. Now we know that the majority of people don't want to see. But in my view you can't come here talking about fair distribution. I m not a miner but I bought a lot of Honor coin right yesterday and I payed less than a sandwich and a coke. So, about which distribution are u talking about? ah? If u want to try this project it is not just cheap: the price is ridicolous, right now. So I think that u are talking about a problem that doesn't exist. U look smart, then be smart seriously and make proposals, not to talk so much just for give air at the mouth
with all my sincerely respect
kiss
note: I didn't bought before and I'm ready to lose my coin, don't think I m saying this because I have to defend who know what. I started coming here with my 3 btc and I've already counted to lose them, so I m talking really trasparent
bye
note2: do u remember? i was the first to say in your wall of shame that the previous dev was a scammer! Do u remember that? but i like the name of the coin and i believe that the good things born by chaos
Yes, I remember you posted in the Wall of Shame. Why cannot I come here and talk about fair distribution? I was considering investing in this restoration and, of course, I was interested, if investing, in it having fair distribution for I consider it it's only chance of survival. Why can't I, according to you? I have a ton of ideas, a ton, that will make this coin a success. But neither Jarvis nor the rest of the miners want to hear them because... well because it will imply NO MINING WHATSOEVER, to start with. So what would even be the point? The price is neither ridiculous nor anything else, it just is. And the ONLY value of a coin is that which is set by the willingness of someone to pay for it. Nothing else whatsoever. I have implicitly made proposals already: That website? gone. A liability. The June 20th date, gone, too hasty. The distribution? scratch it and start again. I have a ton more. But that's not what any of the people posting on this board is interested in hearing. So I pack my marvels and go. Fair enough? |
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+1 and sometimes +0.5 lol just kiddin.
I agree with you about the development. coin shall not turn into dump coin for those who missed the 3k sat chance and every single word you have mention related to this issue, though as you know it is impossible to control the pump/dump movements for any coin you can name it.
but with all my respect to you, I disagree with you about there is no nothing this coin can offer.
for example, BlackCoin, one of the strongest coins being supported by very active dev. team and community.
I got in blackcoin during the 1st days multipool when it (the multipool) had been designed months ago by dev. radiostatic, BC was only 500sat back at these days.
radiostatic did something almost the same of what the scammy old dev. of this coin did, he abounded the multipool, and those who were following BC at that time saw it clearly radiostatic was doing nothing but manipulating the price.
One day he is telling the multipool is on, the next few days after the price hit the 2400 he said he will turn off the multipool temporary, PANIC SELL, BOOM back to 1700sat. After few days, he brought back multipool again, he went to sleep, 10 minutes after that he came online and informed us that he can't continue with multipool again, you can imagine how to price fell down at that time lol it was an epic F**K. Then Legion Dev. team with the help of rat4 the dev of BC tookover the multipool-idea, enhanced and created a greater idea with the community, and here we are talking about a coin was equal to 500sat and now around 25000sat and it went to 90000sat awhile ago.
What I mean is honorcoin is still at its beginning, and I agree with you about things shall be not rushed and be planned well. but when it come to what this coin is offering then also we don't need not to rush things up, the community is still small, I believe more will come, new ideas will be drafted etc.. But first thing is to re-establish the trust all of us need it to continue.
All of that will depend on dev. team and the community, if all of us are willing to support it, then this coin after month or two will have a new higher level
Well YOU are talking about BC, not me. I try not to talk about scam coins outside of the Wall of Shame, where some of the reasons for BC "success" are taken to task. If Organized crime with all their resources, takes over tomorrow Honorcoin, I can assure you they will pump it up enough to make huge profits for themselves... it doesn't seem to be the case, is it?
But the only reason for the success of blackcoin was, precisely, the community, the huge size of a devoted community. Yes it got to 90k strictly due to the efforts of IconicExpert, not because the dev team did anything right. IE did. Since he went out, the coin has been lagging badly and just the pump and dump actions of La Mano Nera keeps it going. But will fail miserably in the end. Also, at the time, Blackcoin was innovative in some ways, POS and speed -was the fastest, by far-, being some of them. Honorcoin is just a copy/paste job. There are no similarities of any kind.
Still, like I posted, I believe this coin could be a success easily. But it requires much wider distribution. Much, much wider. With reach to the entire crypto community. Jarvis -and you the scammed miners- clearly don't want that. You prefer to hoard a huge stack of worthless coins rather than a much smaller % of much more valuable -potentially- property. Hey, it is a choice. Your choice.
And it is wrong and will fail.
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Very disappointed by the responses of a few, including Jarvis, so far.
I can see now that blind greed as usual, is the main motivator; not the creation of a clean coin with a fighting chance for survival. Scarcity, as Jarvis quotes himself in the website, doesn't add value to anything. Demand does. And in the case of a coin, the demand will come only from the community. There's no community in Honorcoin. There's only a couple dozen miners that have been made victims of fraud. Those few people, plus some greedy traders who will buy for the double with the outside chance they could drop their coins for a quick gain, will not make a community. The only thing that makes a community, besides being honest and transparent, is a VERY WIDE distribution. And you, Jarvis, have designed this to be the opposite of that. How many Honor coins did you accumulate? Have you forgotten that the bait, precisely, in the fraud was the SCARCITY of the coin?
Haven't you learned anything of so many coins you invested your mining time on, only to see them turn to complete failures or scams?
I am afraid I cannot support this effort in its current from.
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AN APPRECIATION This take over by Jarvis is a great move to try to salvage what otherwise would be a total loss. So, in fact, this is a take over by the miners, not by the community. Other than that, the takeover and 'declaration of principles' so to speak, coincide completely with what I believe a new altcoin should be. But, like I just stated, if we don't call it like it is, where's the honor? What does Honor coin bring, with their restoration, to the overcrowded table of altcoins? Technically, absolutely nothing whatsoever: It is just another copy/paste hack job which Jarvis expects it will be improved by the ideas and contributions of the Community not just the miners. Somewhat of a slipery slope there ... if we want to carry the all-important badge of honor that is the name of the coin, its only real asset.Oh course the one-sidedness of this argument can be clearly and very easily be countered with the statement that it would require very little investment to become the top holder of the richest list: 1 BTC buys right now about 250,000 XHC, which by the 20th will become 500,000 new XHC. Not too many miners, I suspect, amassed as much with their rented rigs, etc. And perhaps not too many will be capable of amassing many more than those during the 7 days of the PoW distribution... and here is where the real problem comes: By the design of this restoration, I can see that the one-sidedness in favor of the miners -current ones, mostly- is enormous, and produces, de facto, a distribution problem that will be highly incremented if only a few people decide to invest lets say 50 BTC in the coin -which comes to an average of 2 BTC each by 25 investors... some of which, if not most, will ALSO be current miners. The picture is quite clear: Very, very few people will hold easily in excess of 1 million Honors... and that will be after the first 6 million mined. Consequently, the originally designed 36 million limit may end up being quite a few millions more than that, after the 1=2 exchange, thus diluting the value and, again and more importantly, with the bulk of the coins in circulation in very, very few hands. There's nothing scammy or not legitimate about any of this, but that doesn't eliminate the fact that a coin like Honor, which brings nothing new to the table in its current form, having such acute distribution problem, present an excessive risk for any future investors... and, obviously, they'll stay away. A few miners not a Community make, no matter the level of success of the coin. I'll give you a clear example: Lets just assume that Honor coin is very successful and that only a few months -or even a couple years- from now those who hold above 1 million coins are, let's say 35. Lets assume that the total count of coins ends up being 50 million instead of the 36-40 originally intended. And lets assume that, by them, this miniscule community has put a lot of effort, had a lot of luck, BTC has gone through the roof and every Honorcoin is worth, in fiat money, $5.00. We will have a community of multi-millonaires, 35 of them, with a few others, lets say 40 in total, with enough money to change their lives completely: You know, homes, cars, vacations all over the world, etc. Why would they remain invested living lives mostly miserable? Can you imagine the effect in the price of one or two of them cashing out at lets say $3.00? or even $2.00? I can assure you it will throw the price of the coin down the toilet. But the distribution problem present several other significant problems, that would require a much longer than this already very long post. To resume it a bit, the coin would have an elite, not a real community. And that, you could say, is also a problem for other coins. And it is, yes. Bitcoin itself. But, don't forget, a) those are very long established coins, the reference for the whole movement, while Honor will be an improvised, copied, johnny-come-lately and b) without an strong -and as large as possible- community, an altcoin simply cannot survive. Just a few thoughts to ponder. This looks very, very rushed and not too well though over, in my opinion. The simple fact that so few people is actually aware of what is going on and interested enough to post, should be a red flag. It looks like a hasty decision, way too desperate to be efficient or even viable. And it would be a pity because, is things are done in a sensible manner and thought thoroughly, this could and should actually work. I wish you the very best and sorry for the long post that includes some of the considerations that keep me on the fence pondering if to invest in Honor or not. That is if there's indeed a good explanation for that website snafu. Explanation that, at this point, would require, idealistically, a real photo of the real "team". |
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I'll set up the Dice and Block Explorer in a few hours. Good luck with the takeover.
Great. PM me when its ready and ill add it. Thanks, You just have to be shitting me! Do you know who this guy is, Templar77? Now, are you the developer IN CHARGE of this coin? If so, what is in it for you? I mean, I appreciate the initiative and could support it... if, huge IF, there's a plan to make something, of this coin. As a matter of fact, it could easily be the first in the WALL OF HONOR I am trying to create (as a counter to the WALL OF SHAME). But the barriers of entry are that you have to prove, without any margin for doubt, your interest, your holdings, and your plan. All in the open. If people is to support Honorcoin, they need to know that they will not be victims, again, of another fraud. Your association with a proven and repeated fraudster like Templar 77 (Carlos R. Torres Ferguson) is definitely a step in all the wrong directions and best case scenario an indication of unjustifiable ignorance. If you delete this post, it will make it's immediate entry in the WALL OF SHAME. Your opportunity. Your call. You are being put on notice. The times of total impunity are over. Good luck and lets hope you will be one of the good guys. I had no clue who this guy was. We were looking for help with all the aspects of coin development. Thank you for bringing this to our attention an we will not do any business with him. Well, thanks for listening to Iconic Expert. I won't be helping in any way now. go away temp77 , you are a lier , sb ,don't come out ,scamer ! all xcoin member is lied by you ! "Help"? You have "helped" enough. Anyone can find out all the details across bitcointalk in several threads, not just Libertycoin's but several dedicated to explain in details your frauds. Yours and you partner/accomplice loljosh. You are done. Oh, and since you still try to make people believe I am IconicExpert, Carlitos R. Torres Ferguson, aka Templar77, I doubt he will be able to write this: Mira pinche cabron que tu madre sera una santa pero tu eres el mayor hijoeputa del planeta, aqui se te ha acabado el negocio, como no cambies de handle y de forma de operar, en el mundo de las monedas alternativas estas acabado. Y si los cambias, se te va a encontrar muy pronto de todos modos. Tambien es posible que alguien te encuentre muy pronto en el DF y te haga pagar por las fechorias que has cometido... What do you think, IE's will be capable of writing that? Carlitos, you are DONE. THE GIG IS UP. Sorry this is obviously directed to Templar77, NOT to ehugh66. |
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I wanna say that every "altcoin expert" and "whale" and "advisor" in you following list on twitter and other social is a scam.
Uh... Barabbas doesn't as of yet have a Tweeter account. Soon, maybe, but not currently. So no followers. Of any kind. Oh wait... you still believe I am IconicExpert, don't you? |
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The people that go on my wall of shame, are the ones with obvious grudges that make accusations without any evidence. A 35 Million premine should be easy to spot on the blockchain. Links and chain analysis please.
Are you contending that it cannot be done? Like I said, I have thoroughly researched the issue and that is my conclusion. Oh, well, I'll just take your word for it then. How silly of me. how silly of me to think that you would employ common sense and PROVEN FACTS. See, that's just it. I'm employing common sense by choosing not to believe your libel without proof. Just like the guy who called Bryce Wiener a pump and dump scammer with no proof. Same shit, different day. Enjoy your "wall of shame". And again, that's your prerogative. As is to continue ignoring the PROVEN FACTS. Libel, by the way, is something quite serious in this country, the old US of A. I don't expect to be served court papers any time soon though. PROVEN FACTS can hardly be called libel. By people with even a small degree of common sense, of course. As for the charge on Wiener, you don't know if he has proof or not. Neither do I. For that reason, I ask and you conclude. Shitty difference between you a me, indeed. Oh and by the way, how come you brand in their forum XC as a fraud and don't post it here, instead of absurd drivel? You also has offered ample spectrum of your "common sense" by dismissing CINNI and "certainly to go to 0" among other "pearls" of your crypto IQ, your noble characters and your charges without any visible proof of any kind.... You do know your posts can be seen by others, didn't you? Word to the wise: Check the posters that make suspicious charges (that will include me first and foremost), so you will know a bit of who they are and their potential motivations. You use the word fact, like you know what it means  IRS/FBI/NSA/NASA/OBAMA can audit me left, right, up down. The fact that you truly believe I have some how managed to accumulate 40 mil BC is so amazing it's mind boggling. If there was such a giant volume of coins (we're talking half the economy here) it would stick out in the BlockChain like a sore thumb. Especially since the age of the coins would have be really old since you claim I somehow pre mined them (even though I was not even on the BC scene till after PoW was way long and gone.) I mean we are not talking about 1-5 mil coins which can be easily funneled... we are talking 40 mil BC... LITERALLY MORE THAN HALF of all the coins in circulation. Let me put it to you this way, do you really think if I had close to 5-7 mil USD, I would be spending my night on a Bitcointalk thread, talking to you Barabas, that's like complete life changing money-- hell, I'd be happy with a tiny little fraction of that money. Oh no, come on... a bit too much, isn't it? You don't address the PROVEN FACTS, exposed again and again, because you cannot deny them, therefore you admit the charges - what else could you do, but be silent about them proven facts?- but you keep on trying to cloud the issue that you know I cannot prove with mathematical precision -which is not to say it is not true, IT IS-. First, the 35-40 million coins were not just yours, they were somehow shared with St.GNU and Rat4. so we are talking about 12-13 million each -if shared in equal proportions-. And no, you, bright guy that you are in many things, have been hungry for too long, just like your associates, and started licking the tit immediately. So you have sold most of your millions of coins for very little fiat money. Some as low as hundreds of satoshis (some as high as 90k). All in all, you have made very good money, but not in the millions... collectively, the three of you, have, but currently you are making more through the Pool and, above all, the Black Hand, than selling your remaining BC. So you in fact have a tiny fraction of that money. Not so tiny but tiny by comparison. And that's why you keep on keeping on. Morituri13 and his pals are indeed a cute no-risk investment. Enjoy while it last. And Yevgeniy, enough of the bullshit. Or not. I'm done. |
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The people that go on my wall of shame, are the ones with obvious grudges that make accusations without any evidence. A 35 Million premine should be easy to spot on the blockchain. Links and chain analysis please.
Are you contending that it cannot be done? Like I said, I have thoroughly researched the issue and that is my conclusion. Oh, well, I'll just take your word for it then. How silly of me. how silly of me to think that you would employ common sense and PROVEN FACTS. See, that's just it. I'm employing common sense by choosing not to believe your libel without proof. Just like the guy who called Bryce Wiener a pump and dump scammer with no proof. Same shit, different day. Enjoy your "wall of shame". And again, that's your prerogative. As is to continue ignoring the PROVEN FACTS. Libel, by the way, is something quite serious in this country, the old US of A. I don't expect to be served court papers any time soon though. PROVEN FACTS can hardly be called libel. By people with even a small degree of common sense, of course. As for the charge on Wiener, you don't know if he has proof or not. Neither do I. For that reason, I ask and you conclude. Shitty difference between you a me, indeed. Oh and by the way, how come you brand in their forum XC as a fraud and don't post it here, instead of absurd drivel? You also has offered ample spectrum of your "common sense" by dismissing CINNI and "certainly to go to 0" among other "pearls" of your crypto IQ, your noble characters and your charges without any visible proof of any kind.... You do know your posts can be seen by others, didn't you? Word to the wise: Check the posters that make suspicious charges (that will include me first and foremost), so you will know a bit of who they are and their potential motivations. So, you bothered to troll through my post history looking for things to discredit what I say - even though it is all irrelevant to this conversation? Not only are you a tool, you aren't even correct. Re-read my comment about XC. I was agreeing with someone who felt bad for others that got screwed by what as near as I can tell, was worthless XC FUD just like this "wall of shame" shit. My comments about CINNI were in regards to the whales who so royally fucked over that coin so badly on the pump and dump that even when the new wallet is coming out in days, it is having trouble rising to near a fraction of it's deserved value. Smashing research there jackass. Is that supposed to help convince me or others that your UNPROVEN FACTS about anyone in this thread are true? Crypto is a fucking cesspool, full of scammers, fudsters, and teenagers that like to hold a grudge. There are plenty of people who deserve to be on your wall of shame as long as there is a trail of evidence to go with it. You have nothing but incoherent ramblings, baseless assertions, and paranoid conjecture accompanying what is an obvious crusade against a few select individuals. So far, all you've proven to me is that you should be first on your own list. This will be the last time I feed you troll. Fuck off. But, dear boy, I am not here to prove to you anything. You are way beyond that, quite frankly. I have exposed some fraudsters for their scams and frauds and post PROVEN FACTS, still in full operation -such as the Blackcoin pool, such as The Black Hand-, that you refuse to see. Hey, it's your privilege and not my problem at all. Disengaged. Idiot. One more. |
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The people that go on my wall of shame, are the ones with obvious grudges that make accusations without any evidence. A 35 Million premine should be easy to spot on the blockchain. Links and chain analysis please.
Are you contending that it cannot be done? Like I said, I have thoroughly researched the issue and that is my conclusion. Oh, well, I'll just take your word for it then. How silly of me. how silly of me to think that you would employ common sense and PROVEN FACTS. See, that's just it. I'm employing common sense by choosing not to believe your libel without proof. Just like the guy who called Bryce Wiener a pump and dump scammer with no proof. Same shit, different day. Enjoy your "wall of shame". And again, that's your prerogative. As is to continue ignoring the PROVEN FACTS. Libel, by the way, is something quite serious in this country, the old US of A. I don't expect to be served court papers any time soon though. PROVEN FACTS can hardly be called libel. By people with even a small degree of common sense, of course. As for the charge on Wiener, you don't know if he has proof or not. Neither do I. For that reason, I ask and you conclude. Shitty difference between you a me, indeed. Oh and by the way, how come you brand in their forum XC as a fraud and don't post it here, instead of absurd drivel? You also has offered ample spectrum of your "common sense" by dismissing CINNI and "certainly to go to 0" among other "pearls" of your crypto IQ, your noble characters and your charges without any visible proof of any kind.... You do know your posts can be seen by others, didn't you? Word to the wise: Check the posters that make suspicious charges (that will include me first and foremost), so you will know a bit of who they are and their potential motivations. |
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Cmon barbarass let's meet up, your G-hound tixx on me.
If I'm some massive fraudster, wouldn't you want to confront me face to face? For every one to see? So you can NAME AND SHAME me?
Also I'll be in Washington DC for the Bitcoin in the Beltway conference, feel free to confront me there as well.
No answer as expected, ah? Well, the readers have had your answer loud and clear. You are making money by exploiting the miners of Blackcoin pool. Conflict of interest. Fraud. Scam. The pool, by the way, is not even close to one of the best in ANY metric. No arguments there. It is a FACT. So Morituri13/dognip, as I suspected, works or has an interest in the PR company, ah? Clean as clean water indeed. My right hand gives money that my left hand puts right back in my pocket. And he obviously decides when the proceed from the pool are invested in BC, ahead of the larger moves by The Black Hand. Peachy. Not in any hurry to meet with you at all. Less so to be shown what you want to be seen. I'd rather wait to see how you pull that off with the IRS auditors and the FBI. But you can do a video if you like. the one about soepnik is a classic and even after watching it 10 times still hilarious, you you can do better. By the way, what about the crumbs (46k and chage, in BC) thrown flowery pants boy's way as reward for services to the Black Hand. Proven also. Oh, sorry, that's easy for you: "I cannot be made responsible if some generous investors decide to reward unilaterally our marketing guy". See? I have them all for you. Well, not all. morituri13/dognip, has a financial interest in the PR firm, you have confirmed that already by "claiming the 5th", dude. As you can obviously see, I am of the side that has no interest in breaking bread with the likes of you or other Capones of the crypto world. But no one has bumped me from anywhere, they cant. They would like it. YOU would like it -sorry that I am not interested in your coin or your threads, reddits, ircs any more, haven been for montsh-, but they, nor you, cant. I am persona non-grata, for obvious reasons, at the Libertycoin thread, that scam in progress already thoroughly exposed and on its way to emulate previous scams by the same scammers, but other than that I have seriously questioned a buch of devs and other delinquents in several coins' threads, but have found no blatant evidence of scams. Plenty of deluded individuals, but no evidence of scam to me, so they will not join the Wall of Shame unless I have evidence that they censor their threads. Like you and your cronies do. On and yes, you are a massive fraudster. Face to face confrontation or not. If I'd know that confronting you would show you for the massive fraudster that you are -meaning access to ALL your accounts and the transfer of funds on specific periods, I could be convinced to face your ugly face, as it is, people with far more stretching powers than me, such as IRS auditors, will have that privilege... and the rest of us, probably through me, will have access to their official findings. In due time. There's no hurry. |
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The people that go on my wall of shame, are the ones with obvious grudges that make accusations without any evidence. A 35 Million premine should be easy to spot on the blockchain. Links and chain analysis please.
Are you contending that it cannot be done? Like I said, I have thoroughly researched the issue and that is my conclusion. Oh, well, I'll just take your word for it then. How silly of me. Do or don't, that's your prerogative as fully explained in the OP. In this particular case, that charge -and its very compelling evidence-is only one of many OTHERWISE PROVEN, schemes of blatan and evident fraud that to any common sensical person would indicate a very specific pattern of behavior, but how silly of me to think that you would employ common sense and PROVEN FACTS. |
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The level of fraud, scamming and deceit in cryptos, and very specially in the more and more crowded field of alternative currencies, has reached levels that simple common sense would indicate that something's got to give. It is the responsibility of all those who believe cryptocurrencies are a real alternative to fiat, to protect the single most vulnerable aspect, the most damaging of all, the one that makes every "normal person" literally "run for the exits" when cryptocurrencies are mentioned. Everyone knows fraud and deception is rampant. There's no accountability of course -not yet anyway-, and therefore it is kind of inevitable. But it is our obligation, in my opinion, to police the field to the extent that we can, to protect the integrity of the world of alternative currencies. There will always be scamers and schemes to take other people's money, but at least those coming in with greed in their eyes and hope in their hearts, would have a thread that can show some obvious red flags before jumping into those scams that leave always victims and increase the bad reputation of cryptos. Even when caught pants down, all the scamers have to do, is change their handles and they remain anonymous. This has to stop. They also clear their announcement threads of "FUD", a clumsy pretext to delete "inconvenient" posts that otherwise would linger forever and would be available for research. So, not only are they always -or almost always- anonymous, but they always -or almost always- censor and delete posts on their threads that bring about inconvenient subjects, including potential details of their scams. The scams are protected; the devs, hidden under their anonymous and usually multiple handles, remain anonymous and ready for the usual rinse and repeat... well it's time for a little reckoning. Leveling the playing field somewhat, so to speak: Here's the WALL OF SHAME. Every con, every fraud, every red flag will be posted here. And no, the burden of proof will not be on the posters, but on the devs. Enough of this shitty situation in which they can and do hide under several veils with total impunity. A red flag will be enough. If someone deletes [posts and censors users on their threads, that would be their ticket to enter the WALL OF SHAME; If they delete posts that contains relevant questions that they prefer not to answer, they have gained their post on the WALL OF SHAME; if they say "no pre-mine" and there is in fact indications of other ways of accumulating the coins by taking advantage of their situation: WALL OF SHAME...
Everyone is free to act any which way they choose, but the WALL OF SHAME will be here to collect all the bad guys of crypto, their handles, their schemes, their coins and every other detail that other users would volunteer.
Lets level the playing field.
No more impunity.
Lets eliminate the bad players.
1.- Templar77, real name Carlos R. Torres Ferguson, out of Mexico DF and the shame behind, among others, Universitycoin, Grumpycoin, Libertycoin and, if it comes to fruition, the upcoming X coin. Read about him in the several different threads of those coins. In many of them you won't find hundreds of posts that have been censored, but you will find entire threads with his exploits and those of his associate, Loljosh. Be aware of these guys.
2.- The Doge of Wall Street, aka Eugene (Yevgeniy) Rokhlin and his associate St.GNU. The former is quite public -he participates usually in the "Blackcasts" on YouTube, the later prefers to remain anonymous. He is the "Don" at Blackcoin and there are substantive charges about him/them pre-mining (to the tune of almost half the entire float of BC) the "no pre-mine" Blackcoin. Besides that, they own the multipool that services Blackcoin, as a separate business and used to "strategically buy BC in the open exchanges... when convenient". Convenient, one assumes, for the Don and his "group of investors" (that would be The Black Hand, a group of investors who operates in cahoots with Rokhlin and St.GNU and that in fact determines all the strategies from the inside. This is an organized group, represented by morituri13/dognip in the community (the guy in the infamous flower pants picture of Soepkip), who "donates" to the pool the Titan miner, for instance, and, obviously, determines when and ad what price the pool buys in to proceed with the usual pumps and dumps that are the base of the income of The Black Hand. Meanwhile, The Don and St.GNU continue dumping their estimated 35-40 million blackcoins premined acquired in the early hours/days of the PoW period. There's plenty of info about the schemes all over Bitcointalk, but don't expect anything remotely in that direction in any of the current managed threads other than the ones dedicates to exposing it specifically: The censor, with extraordinary dilligence, every post that even remotely points in that direction.
3.- This is a new one, the most recent: CLOAK. His dev is "Alty", who also uses the handle "TheDagger". He may or may not have pre-mined (still some PoW as of this writing pending), but he certainly doesn't answer pertinent uncomfortable questions like the one about a charge that while the two initial dedicated pools had a hashing rate of less than 20MH, the entire network boasted in excess of 20GH... Mind you, that is a situation that could happen without any devious scheme going on. Nor very usual but certainly possible. But if that were teh case, would you, as a clean dev, take advantage of the opportunity to explain that you in fact are only responsible for "x" amount of the 20GH+...AND show clear proof of it to dispel any doubts? Now if, on the contrary, you not only avoid to provide an explanation but quickly proceed to delete the posts and ban any questioner from the IRC channel, wouldn't that raise a significant red flag? It is certainly not the best way to provide confidence, trust and transparency, is it? So, since it is very cowardly to not just avoid the questions but delete the posts so others don't pose the same lingering questions, the playing field is leveled: If "Alty" or "The Dagger" provide proof positive they did not pre-mine CLOAK, they (he) will be taken down from the WALL OF SHAME. If not, here it is for everyone to be aware (and cautious) about it.
Fantastic thread. I hope this will be stickied so more people will know and be made aware of this. A few suggestions. 1. Use more paragraphs - really hard to read the first paragraph. 2. Add more multi coin dev who participates in pump and dump - Shakezula, Baritus, r0ach, iGotSpots, BryceWeiner, etc. 3. Add more coin devs who misuse IPO money - Keccak/Heavycoin, JacobUX/Panda, etc. 4. Add more Chinese dev groups who are starting to drown the market Thank you. But I only add your posts and what I personally have knowledge of. If you know of specifics, I'd appreciate if you post it. You just did, but without some specific explanation, these guys will do it over and over and over again. You included BryceWeiner? That surprises me a bit. He's a well know name in crypto, the real name, so it would be nice if you specifically point out what you accuse him of having done or doing. Same with the anonymous ones... I don't know how to sticky the thread, but if someone tells me, I'll be glad to do it. |
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That you of all people believe you have the right to stand as judge and jury is quite frankly comical beyond belief.
You throw out baseless accusations page by page and provide little to no evidence in a majority of cases.
It appears that your poisonous vitriol wasnt being heard or effective enough in the threads where you were banned or deleted so in an effort to make yourself heard you came up with this little idea.
It is not the product of a sound and balanced mind and clearly has an agenda that is personal and vindictive depite its "noble" intentions.
You are however, creating for yourself a reputation, a negative one, that will endure so good luck with that.
That's right my boy, this is the page where tyhe people that have perpetrated hundreds of crimes, hundreds of frauds and continue doing so like your boss here, are exposed. Some times with "little to no evidence". You see the problem with that stupid and agenda-serving position of yours, boy, is that it is abundantly easy for anyone falsely accused to prove their innocence. I was about to create a counter to this wall, the WALL OF HONOR. You would expect people to run for the opportunity to be on that wall, right? A badge of honor, so to speak. Yet, none of the accused with "little to no evidence" of their crimes, is able to prove their innocence. They are as rotten and corrupt to the core as your boss is. And they just cannot make it to the honor roll. Case in point, cannot be closer: CLOAK. They cannot come clean. They act like you guys do down there at BC: You delete "inconvenient" posts. That's a non-no. And they lie. That's a much bigger no-no. Like I posted in the OP, there's only one reason, real reason that is, to delete posts in a public forum, "inconvenient" ones. It is the same reason there is to lie: You want to hide the truth from the people. Because you cannot avoid some questions that are posted, no matter how you try. Like the one I just posted to your boss (3 times, yes). We will get an answer whether it comes from him, straightforward or through his avoidance. Oh and thank you for attacking my (un)"balanced mind" and my "agenda" (  ), not to mention your worry about my reputation. You see to kiss ass blatantly to the boss (4 times) may have rewards for you but for others, the noble intentions (without quotes) are way more important. I know you will have difficulty even remotely understanding this and that it will probably have the same effect than baptizing a cat, such is the nature of your character. To me it has to do, in some part, with genetics. But there are other quite sound theories. Anyway, don't waste your time because I won't deal with you any longer, sorry. Parallel realities, yours and mine. Different worlds altogether. Waste of time. People like you just put a very light smile on my face the 2 seconds a day I allow myself to think about you (in group, not per individual). |
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The people that go on my wall of shame, are the ones with obvious grudges that make accusations without any evidence. A 35 Million premine should be easy to spot on the blockchain. Links and chain analysis please.
Not to mention I didn't even hear about BC till way after PoW was over-- remember I came in only after RS meltdown-- prior to that I had no idea who or what rat4 was, and had only a vague understanding of what BC was. This is known history, there's dozens of witnesses, chat logs, interviews etc, as well as our Twitter account can be used to timestamp everything we have done and where we were involved from (by we I mean LDG.) Proof doge, proof: Very simple: How many wallets do you have? how many BC do you have? how many BTC do you have? Cannot be simpler. And then, come April, you show everyone your Tax filing and the balance of those wallets. Not that hard, is it? Your are exposed now, you are a public figure conducting a business worth several million dollars. You are not getting away with any shit any more. Not from the IRS, not from anyone. And it doesn't matter if you transfer to your family, to your friends and family in the old country, everything is going to be thoroughly investigated by the IRS first and then by regulators. You will be called on your scam. It's just a matter of a few months. So, since I take that you will again fly over the specific questions and proven facts, lets just patiently wait for this time next year when everyone will have access to that filing (it's public, you know?) and see what's in it, ok? Oh and good luck with using LDG as a shield (by the way, tell us about the Black Shield, another of your schemes to take money from the community to pass it directly to The Black Hand). You are going to have to come with some actual customers, you know. The pool being a customer is like my right hand assisting my left hand while serving in tennis, ok? Oh you are, again, a bright kid, you will have everything figured out, I'm sure... Or, you can choose to come forward. I fucking DARE you. |
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The people that go on my wall of shame, are the ones with obvious grudges that make accusations without any evidence. A 35 Million premine should be easy to spot on the blockchain. Links and chain analysis please.
Are you contending that it cannot be done? Like I said, I have thoroughly researched the issue and that is my conclusion. It wasn't done by just one address or one wallet, it went to many. And all of it is in the blockchain, of course. Most if not all of the initial PoW, during the first 3-4 days, was done by The Don St.GNU and for his pal Rat4. in many wallets. That's how it works, not just in this case but in many others too. No it cannot be mathematically proven -that's why the did it- because, well, everyone HID their identity so the blocks went to 'handles" and to wallets, anonymous ones. Most of them disappeared by now, of course. But sure as rain, the Doge and his 2 pals got the lions part, probably as much as 40 million coins altogether. That the charge. That's the modus operandi. The evidence is, of course, only circumstantial. But it is there. Have you disturbed yourself with the read of the expose'? Or are you just one more fanboy sent here to spread shit? Either way, those reading this will have to make up their own mind and decide by themselves. That's what THIS Wall of Shame does. Most people seem to like it, but you can do just as easily start a different one if that is what you feel is needed... It's a free and quite wild world in crypto. I am just exposing, one by one, all the bad guys who need to be put away. Many people is cooperating in the effort. It seems it was high time to do it. |
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I'm still waiting for my half of BC economy premine, where can I claim this?
Barabas, I'm going to hold you accountable if I don't receive 35mil BC.
SUCH NAMED, MUCH SHAMED!
Angry babble. I welcome regulation, I have a full legal team in place, and perform compliance and record keeping way beyond what current lack of regulation require. Also if that many coins moved through the Blockchain which is public record, any joe shmoe would be able to see-- once again it's just flagrant accusation. From a person who spends his time doing nothing but trolling, and foaming at the mouth. I'm still waiting for my 35 mil BC Barabas-- I really feel sad now. Yesterday I definitely was not a millionaire, today I am also not a millionaire but I feel like I have lost 35mil BC somehow. I've printed your post out and put it on my wall, it's extremely flattering that you go through all this trouble-- I've ordered a nice little frame of it, will post pictures when I get it. I wish I was some crazy BC millionaire, my life would certainly be a lot easier, and as far as what the pool makes, all the blocks we acquire is public knowledge, and I have furnished documentation of the pool accounts on more than one occasion, for public and private scrutiny. Furthermore, if you really truly believe this drivel, feel free to ask either Mintpal-Jay/Jason, or the Cryptsy guys. They are more than well aware of my IP address, and have knowledge of both my personal and pool accounts-- as well as my real name address etc. I talk to them very often, and if you don't take my word for it, ask them how much volume goes through my personal account and the pool accounts. It's about 35million BC shy of 35million  P.s. I've come forward, revealed my identity and have worked closely with community for months now. Why not do the same, oh revealer of truths! First of all you have not "come forward" at all... until exposed BY ME FULLY. Let's make that quite clear, ok? Because your level of deception knows no boundaries. Yevgeniy, you have ALREADY unloaded most if not ALL your pre-mined coins. And no, the 35-40 million were not just yours, I imagine St.GNU got quite a chump of it and, of course, Rat4 too for they were, along with you, the ones doing the pre-mine and quickly diluting and distributing it through many wallets. I'm glad you are flattered because very little of what you have been accused of, if anything at all, is not the exact truth. Very, very little. But setting aside your millonaire pre-mine, you still, blatantly, avoid the rest of the fraudulent issues, ALL PROVEN and in effect. The pool, you are exploiting the community for your (and your associate's) benefit. Blatantly. You don't even give them a discount and, certainly, don't give them any of your profits in it. What can you say about that, right? It doesn't even need proving. And what about The Black Hand, Morituri13/dognip, the donations -not to the community, to your pool-? What about the blatant manipulation, the pumps and dumps, the hurried land-grab that forming the so-called "Foundation" was and is. What was morituri13 doing in the meeting with the PR. Openly, you cannot get away not answering this very direct question: Does morituri13/dognip, or any of the Black Hand (sorry, the "organized group of investors" that "works" with the dev team -that'll be you-, from the inside, orchestrating the pumps and dumps and bribing Soepkip) work for or have a direct relationship with the PR firm to which you are paying $30k that belongs to the community? It is a simple question, isn't it? But careful with your answer because lying and deceiving will not work any longer, so go ahead and stop the bullshit and show the fucking proof. You won't. You can't. Because you are a fraud, and a scam who routinely, and in several schemes, takes the money from the community to his own pocket, ok? And stop directing me to places where you are a customer and that are bound by privacy rules so you know they cannot tell me or anyone -except law enforcement- anything. Stop blowing fucking smoke tpo hide your evident guilt. Address the Mano Nera, that has been publicly admitted, that you belong to taking money from your community and thus reducing your joke of a coin to the pathetic waste of investment money that it is and will be. Address the PROVEN -and oh so cheap, but the guy's a total asshole, so even 46k coins seem even too much, with all his mining and other bribes, beside those 46k he was able to collect only less than 100k. What a fucking loser! ... unless, of course, he has several other wallets, which he probably has. The whole Blackcoin "dev-team" stink of corruption to high heaven, including the guy in where was it Sumatra? I mean what the fuck? You have a member of the team that lives and promotes blackcoin in I do'n even want to remember the country with less population than Phoenix and 10% the economy of Phoenix. What is that shit? Corrupted to the core, you all are. Even those in the Foundation like good-boy Maarten and the ineffable Vizique (are you sending any more croonies here to spread their shit? It's open to anyone so they all can expose themselves. Time is up. You are the bad guys. And everyone has to know. Hopefully, they now do. Either you address the proven, specific charges, admit the corruption that running the pool for your personal benefit is, admit your involvement with the mafia-type "investment group" (The Black Hand), or I will not answer any of your corrupt nonsense anymore. And answer the fucking question... or not. Either way, it will be answer by either admission or omission. You are a bright kid, I have conceded that. But not as bright as you think you are. And your time of wild luck avoiding accountability is quickly coming to an end. The ball is on your court. |
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Please be aware of "fanboys" who has no shame in attacking competitive coins with no proof or no compelling circumstantial evidence like this "Albinito" guy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645232.0. There's absolutely nothing wrong with calling out any dev that delays or otherwise doesn't stick to his word in previous announcements... even is, ultimately, he ends up just being a bit "tardy"; it is something else and entirely deplorable and shameful when, like "Albinito" you spread FUD specifically in competitors of "your" coin. In this case, "Albinito" seems to be a fan boy of Darkcoin and wants to do anything he can think of, true or not, to attack coins he perceives as direct competitors of Darkcoin, such as XC or VRC. SHAME on Albinito. |
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