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301  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcing the FutureBit Apollo BTC - A Full Node/Mining Platform for the Home! on: June 03, 2021, 07:22:07 PM
Hi

I ordered two Apollo BTC Batch 1 (February 05, 2021), i'm still waiting for them... But today i receive a mail with one of my order Canceled (Order #3833 )? Without explanation? :/
It is possible to know why? And it is possible to know when i will receive one of them? (ORDER #3662)

Regards

Please reply to your order email with stuff like this. Multiple orders are combined, so thats why one of your orders was canceled.
302  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 02, 2021, 10:10:37 PM
Another situation I just noticed.   Hashunit #1 is showing in the UI as "Inactive" .  Hashboard #0 is active in the UI.    In checking the bottom of the board #1, all four lights are flashing like it is hashing.    When I looked at the mining pool console, it looks like I only have one hashing board mining.  

I hit the restart button in the Miner dashboard and when the mining restarted the second hashboard showed up in the UI as active and it looks like it is mining at the pool with both hashboards now.



Yep, any hiccups with the standard units just power cycle them and restart in the dashboard...that should solve most issues.
303  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 02, 2021, 02:58:49 PM
I received my base unit and an add-on hashing unit today.   I have both powered by a external server power supply.   The external unit was attached to the main unit.   The external unit's front LED started flashing right away, but no lights from the main unit's front LED.   I have an ethernet cable plugged into the base unit and it's lights were flashing, but nothing ever displayed on the HDMI display.   I let if it boot for several minutes and the main unit got warm - fan was working and I could see one RED and one green (flashing) LEDs on the main units hashboard.   This matched what LED's were lit on the add-on hashing unit.    I checked my router and saw no new DHCP devices getting an address.    The cable & switch port worked with a PC before moving the cable to the Apollo BTC.

Any thoughts?


Are the yellow LEDs on the bottom flashing rapidly? This means its connected to your network and hashing.

If so you need to do double check your router or IP scanner, one of the IPs is the Apollo.

For monitor out issues, try powering off your display and power it back on when its connected to HDMI port on the Apollo, this has worked on some displays we tested. Some displays won't work at all, so try another display if you have one or your TV and see if it works that way.

Right now, the Ethernet port only has the green light flashing.   On the bottom of the SBC, I have a green led (near the side of the ports) and there is a red LED in the corner by the M.2 drive card.   

I will check the monitor next - have to go find a long HDMI cable and/or another monitor.   



Ok so it has successfully booted, your just not getting an internet connection. Id double check your ethernet wire (ie check if you plugged it in a WAN port instead of LAN port) and router settings in case something is not configured correctly there.

John - I swapped cables with another PC and my office and after a reboot, the Apollo BTC's Ethernet yellow went crazy and it logged into the network.   The original cable is working fine on the PC with no issues.

I went thru the wizard and put in password and mining pool info.    Once in the UI, I see the node synchronization going strong with 10/32 connections and about 65% sync'ed after about 6 hours.  

I started up the mining about last night and I noticed that hashboard 1 starting mining right away, hashboard 0 quite some time to show any consistent hashrates.    Running overnight, the dashboard was showing expected rates over night.


Awesome...could have been a weird type of ethernet cable that the Apollos network controller couldn't handle. The USB connected hashboards is a known issue we are trying to figure out if its a firmware or general STM32 USB driver issue. Usually a power cycle on the standard unit will fix it if its taking a really long time to connect.
304  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcing the FutureBit Apollo BTC - A Full Node/Mining Platform for the Home! on: June 02, 2021, 02:45:40 PM
Any update to when Batch 3 is going to be up for pre-order?

We were going to have it this week, but most of the team will be down in Miami for the conference so will probably get pushed to next week.
305  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 01, 2021, 09:21:18 PM
If/when an SSD change is needed does the drive need to be formatted first or would a brand new drive just swap in?

If you pop in a fresh SD card at the same time as a new SSD it will automatically format and set it up.

You can do it manually as well by launching the gparted app installed in the system, and initializing it with a single partition. You then need to add a folder called "Bitcoin" in the root directory of the partition.

Adding a "format and setup new SSD" button in the UI is on our list.
306  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 01, 2021, 08:19:21 PM
I received my base unit and an add-on hashing unit today.   I have both powered by a external server power supply.   The external unit was attached to the main unit.   The external unit's front LED started flashing right away, but no lights from the main unit's front LED.   I have an ethernet cable plugged into the base unit and it's lights were flashing, but nothing ever displayed on the HDMI display.   I let if it boot for several minutes and the main unit got warm - fan was working and I could see one RED and one green (flashing) LEDs on the main units hashboard.   This matched what LED's were lit on the add-on hashing unit.    I checked my router and saw no new DHCP devices getting an address.    The cable & switch port worked with a PC before moving the cable to the Apollo BTC.

Any thoughts?


Are the yellow LEDs on the bottom flashing rapidly? This means its connected to your network and hashing.

If so you need to do double check your router or IP scanner, one of the IPs is the Apollo.

For monitor out issues, try powering off your display and power it back on when its connected to HDMI port on the Apollo, this has worked on some displays we tested. Some displays won't work at all, so try another display if you have one or your TV and see if it works that way.

Right now, the Ethernet port only has the green light flashing.   On the bottom of the SBC, I have a green led (near the side of the ports) and there is a red LED in the corner by the M.2 drive card.   

I will check the monitor next - have to go find a long HDMI cable and/or another monitor.   



Ok so it has successfully booted, your just not getting an internet connection. Id double check your ethernet wire (ie check if you plugged it in a WAN port instead of LAN port) and router settings in case something is not configured correctly there.
307  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 01, 2021, 07:42:14 PM
I received my base unit and an add-on hashing unit today.   I have both powered by a external server power supply.   The external unit was attached to the main unit.   The external unit's front LED started flashing right away, but no lights from the main unit's front LED.   I have an ethernet cable plugged into the base unit and it's lights were flashing, but nothing ever displayed on the HDMI display.   I let if it boot for several minutes and the main unit got warm - fan was working and I could see one RED and one green (flashing) LEDs on the main units hashboard.   This matched what LED's were lit on the add-on hashing unit.    I checked my router and saw no new DHCP devices getting an address.    The cable & switch port worked with a PC before moving the cable to the Apollo BTC.

Any thoughts?


Are the yellow LEDs on the bottom flashing rapidly? This means its connected to your network and hashing.

If so you need to do double check your router or IP scanner, one of the IPs is the Apollo.

For monitor out issues, try powering off your display and power it back on when its connected to HDMI port on the Apollo, this has worked on some displays we tested. Some displays won't work at all, so try another display if you have one or your TV and see if it works that way.
308  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcing the FutureBit Apollo BTC - A Full Node/Mining Platform for the Home! on: June 01, 2021, 04:43:49 PM
#38xx here, just stopped by to see wassup. All batch #1 will ship by the end of this week ... rock on. Looking forward to 100x ing my hashrate (2 gekkos)  Grin

Thanks FutureBit! Most here are appreciative of your hard work!

Thanks! We had to stop the line to catch some issues from the first deliveries, but starting back up today. Will probably push into next week to get the rest of the orders out.
309  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 01, 2021, 04:40:21 PM
If our software can submit a valid share to a pool, it can also find a valid block and thats all the proof you need.

But can is too little here, it has to.
You can ask slush pool and Genesis mining about that stuff Wink

So here my question again:

Why is the backend code not published under an open source license?
I mean its BTC, small nice community project...

Do not trust, verify!

I like the product. Bring mining back to small people, decentralized, quiet etc. Would be happy to support the project and preorder.
But for sure I will not buy a closed source miner, which has never shown that it can find blocks.
Especially not if it is to be used for solomining. (Whether this is right for the target group "are first time miners" is another question.)

I really don't see any understandable reason not to publish the code.

If I could I would. The backend software runs Exahashes worth of hashrate, and finds BTC blocks everyday. Of course you have to take my word for it, and I wish you didn't but I think I have built enough reputation around here that im not some bad actor. Unfortunately to be able to provide a product like this I had to make some compromises I did not want, but we weighed those to be worth being able to get a product like this out to market.

Of course the more successful this product is, the less compromises we have to make...would love to port the firmware over to cgminer and hopefully we can get there soon.
310  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 01, 2021, 04:23:43 PM
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From someone who runs a pool its pretty concerning that you dont know how blocks are found. If our software can submit a valid share to a pool, it can also find a valid block and thats all the proof you need. But you already know that or should know that...so once again whats your agenda?
Alas this statement is completely false and thus shows that indeed these miners have not been tested to be able to find blocks.
The usual worry about people who don't understand what they are doing and are only looking for profit.
Even phil has made an attempt at understanding the issue in his post above, but alas not quite got it right.

Edit: I wrote the first, original block testing screen notification code in cgminer Tongue
I think I might know what I'm talking about ...

The software is designed for stratum pool implementation. Its not a solo miner, and the solo miner implementation will piggy off open source stratum proxy that connects directly to the node.

Prove how my statement is completely false? Oh wait you cant. As long as our software submits valid shares > pool diff then it will submit a valid share > network diff.

If you want to attack me then attack me with correct arguments, like "since the software is closed sourced I could be throwing out valid shares >= network diff"

Now that im thinking about it that would be a fun way to attack these centralized chinese pools  Grin
311  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Review on apollo btc miner on: June 01, 2021, 04:21:09 AM
uh what?

You dont need to "prove" it can hit a block, the proof is in the valid share submission.

Submit enough shares of a certain difficulty over time and you have "proved" your hashrate.

Submit a share higher than the network diff you found a block, simple as that.

Well same as you my position is exactly what you said. Just worded in a different way.

Kano always attacks all btc sha-256 software

He will say you stole it from cgminer and if it clear is not a copy he will say prove it can hit a block.

As I said I am in the USA and you are innocent until proven guilty which means if he wants to complain about blocks he needs to prove it can't hit a block.



Well thats the beauty of Bitcoin, you dont need to trust anyone, just verify. Bitcoin's POW is simple on purpose. Your hardware can either solve SHA256 hashes or it can not.

Sure I can lie about the hashrate on the dashboard, but I cant make up valid shares to a pool unless I am actually performing that work (or I have broken SHA256 which is a possibility, but then your all screwed anyway haha).
312  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: June 01, 2021, 04:06:36 AM
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Source for the UI is up on my github, backend firmware is all proprietary and built from the ground up for these ASICs (ie does not use open source cgminer/bfgminer).
Kudos for that, at least Kano can't argue about that aspect Wink
So have they verified that these things can actually find blocks?

That's the other typical issue with people who hack cgminer or write or plagiarizer one.
They leave it up to the people who pay them to test it, and usually no one ever finds out ... which of course can mean the obvious, it doesn't work.

Since they've supposedly written a new miner (yeah I've checked it is definitely not a straight cgminer code copy), clearly it is up to them to verify this before selling something that effectively doesn't work.

Ahh thats where phillip's confusing question comes from in the other thread....should have known better. 

So we went from me making shitty vaporware, to me selling pre-orders ill probably never deliver, to now that I have actually delivered working hardware making baseless attacks on the software that make no sense? Whats your agenda here anyway?

From someone who runs a pool its pretty concerning that you dont know how blocks are found. If our software can submit a valid share to a pool, it can also find a valid block and thats all the proof you need. But you already know that or should know that...so once again whats your agenda?
313  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Review on apollo btc miner on: June 01, 2021, 03:58:47 AM
uh what?

You dont need to "prove" it can hit a block, the proof is in the valid share submission.

Submit enough shares of a certain difficulty over time and you have "proved" your hashrate.

Submit a share higher than the network diff you found a block, simple as that.
314  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Review on apollo btc miner on: May 30, 2021, 05:39:19 PM
And a complaint. I mentioned that the fan was buzzing way too loudly.


...


After doing a this and reassembling it all it works a charm.

So to sum up this has two fans the one that cools the hashing board and is visible at the top of the unit.  The second tiny fan is hard to see but it was very loose.

As a follow up what should my temps be when I am mining with eco setting.

Should i be at 70c or 80c

Or lower.

IT IS ANNOYING  that the assembly has this loose screw issue. Sorry about caps.

Oh I have not quite.loaded chain I am about 10000 blocks short.


As an  aside;

I think it should be easy to.click and.drag the 500 gh info into a 1tb stick.

Yea were still dialing in the torque settings for all the screws. Sorry to hear you had to disassemble it to get to the CPU fan. Im happy that most people are not having issues with the hardware...few loose screws we can deal with  Grin

Yeah figured that and mine is one of the first ones.

So it does not buzz.

Also hashboard temp reads 54c
Fan speed reads 1826

there is a second temp at top of screen

futureBit       Online     2.10 Ths  85c 

 I am assuming this is the arm temp which is at 65% load as it does final 10000 blocks and mines at ckpool.

The wife will be happy to not hear it buzz.

Yes the top temp is the ARM cpu temp. It will stay in the 80s while its syncing the node and should come back down to 50-60c once it completes.
315  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: May 30, 2021, 05:35:21 PM
How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

Not true.

If your mining at 3TH/s (turbo mode) you have ~ a 1/340,000 daily odds of hitting a BTC block.

Way better odds than the lottery, but of course the cash prize is "only" 200 grand  Wink

Will be adding a direct solo mine option to your node in the coming months.

Any possibility of being able to add different pools for different hashboards if one has multiple standard units?  I have 1 full package and 3 standard units, so 4 hashboards are all on one pool.  Would be a cool option if I could direct 1 to a different pool/coin and the others to another.  

Not currently, wanted to keep things as simple as possible since a large portion of our customers are first time miners.

If you want to do this in the meantime, you can start up the hashboard manually. Its a little involved but here are the steps:
-Disconnect the usb cable of the hashboard you want to point to a different pool.  
-Start the miner in the dashboard so UI configured pool and connected hashboards start mining to that pool
-Connect the hashboard you want to mine to a different pool
-Open up a terminal and figure out the serial port by typing "ls /dev/ACM*" ....the hashboard you just connected will be the highest number
-Go to the directory the internal apollo-miner is installed at "cd /opt/apolloui/backend/apollo-miner"
-Startup that hashboard manually with the serial port you found above and its own pool using instructions found here:   https://github.com/jstefanop/Apollo-Miner-Binaries/blob/main/linux-aarch64/start_apollo.sh

(ie ./apollo-miner -host us-east.stratum.slushpool.com -port 3333 -user jstefanop.x -pswd x -comport /dev/ttyACM0 -brd_ocp 48  -osc 30 -ao_mode 1)

If you do it this way the hashboard should also be added to the UI stats and you should be able to see it there (fyi i havent tested this so could break the UI if its using a different pool).

We left the system open so you power users can poke around and configure it to your hearts desire...you can also do the above by editing the start script in the miner folder and you can do lots of stuff this way like per board power settings, per board pools, etc etc (all the start script does now is find all the /dev/ACM serials connected and loops through all of them and starts a miner instance for each board using settings from UI....you can just explicitly point to each serial and put your own settings for each board if you want).

                                                                  
316  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: May 29, 2021, 11:49:01 PM
How does this thing Mine SOLO??? And  estimate when can 1 find a block? Makes .56? a day in pool...

Wouldn’t advise.  At this low a hashrate, you’d have better luck winning the actual lottery than hitting a block.

Not true.

If your mining at 3TH/s (turbo mode) you have ~ a 1/340,000 daily odds of hitting a BTC block.

Way better odds than the lottery, but of course the cash prize is "only" 200 grand  Wink

Will be adding a direct solo mine option to your node in the coming months.
317  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Review on apollo btc miner on: May 29, 2021, 11:42:40 PM
And a complaint. I mentioned that the fan was buzzing way too loudly.

I tightened it up by hand held screwdriver, all exterior case screws and buzzing went away.

A day later it came back.

All external screws were.good which means something inside was loose.

SINCE every case screw.was.turnable 1/4 to 1/2 I knew I had to turn it off and find the loose screw.

So I took 14.side screws.off carefully and.found the problem the cpu has a tiny 3/4
Inch fan that cools it off. Not sure that the fan is cooling the cpu or a different  chip but both screws were very loose. At least 1 full turn to tighten them.

Then of course attach the two sides with 14 screws and not to mention I detached both the mobo and the nvme.2 from the back frame.

After doing a this and reassembling it all it works a charm.

So to sum up this has two fans the one that cools the hashing board and is visible at the top of the unit.  The second tiny fan is hard to see but it was very loose.

As a follow up what should my temps be when I am mining with eco setting.

Should i be at 70c or 80c

Or lower.

IT IS ANNOYING  that the assembly has this loose screw issue. Sorry about caps.

Oh I have not quite.loaded chain I am about 10000 blocks short.


As an  aside;

I think it should be easy to.click and.drag the 500 gh info into a 1tb stick.

Yea were still dialing in the torque settings for all the screws. Sorry to hear you had to disassemble it to get to the CPU fan. Im happy that most people are not having issues with the hardware...few loose screws we can deal with  Grin
318  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: May 29, 2021, 12:43:53 AM
Have two issues.

1) Can only set one pool.

2) All but 1 of my units have stopped working after trying to change the the miner settings. I have tried setting eco, balanced and even advanced with power from min to 45%. Only  One unit will work when I make these changes but the rest will not function at all. Even the main controller will not function with no unit connected and shows the default config with default pool.
 
Update: I was able to now get some units working again by connecting each one to the USB 1 port and booting the units individually. All but 1 of the units are now working. I will try connect the still bad unit to a PI and run it on its own.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


Start them up and leave them be for 10-15 minutes. They will start up eventually. As long as you see the front LED start flashing slowly it will show up in the dashboard.

Solid RED led after startup and one flashing green led on the board, on the last unit that will not run, seems to be bricked.

If I connect this unit to the full unit/controller nothing loads on the miner page and the page defaults back to original default page, shows slushpool, no stats load.


Ok if it does not start flashing at all when you do stop or restart on the miner dashboard then that means the system does not see it at all. Shoot an email to us by replying to your order email and well go over some other troubleshooting steps.
319  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official FutureBit Apollo BTC Software/Image and Support thread on: May 28, 2021, 11:48:18 PM
Have two issues.

1) Can only set one pool.

2) All but 1 of my units have stopped working after trying to change the the miner settings. I have tried setting eco, balanced and even advanced with power from min to 45%. Only  One unit will work when I make these changes but the rest will not function at all. Even the main controller will not function with no unit connected and shows the default config with default pool.
 
Update: I was able to now get some units working again by connecting each one to the USB 1 port and booting the units individually. All but 1 of the units are now working. I will try connect the still bad unit to a PI and run it on its own.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


Start them up and leave them be for 10-15 minutes. They will start up eventually. As long as you see the front LED start flashing slowly it will show up in the dashboard.
320  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Review on apollo btc miner on: May 28, 2021, 06:51:00 PM
I would say to increase the size of the dbcache in the bitcoin.conf file to speed up the initial blockchain download. It really helps a lot. But, I don't know how much free RAM there is on the box and what if any other tweaks @jstefanop made.

My unit came in yesterday, but I have been so busy at work I have not even had the time to take it out of the box Sad

-Dave

Yea its already optimized for the RAM size...fact that you can sync a full BTC blockchain in under 2 days with this is already impressive for a sub 200 dollar "computer", and is already way faster than what even a Pi 4 can do. You cant expect this to do it in 12 hours lol
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