Thanks jstnryan, devincrypt, and whiteogre! All great information and also some differing points of views!
I'll skip on Moon Landers and focus on the Apollo. - Which, I have another question, right now I have an Apollo + PSU + Card combo ordered. However the PSU from FutureBit only supports 1 Apollo. Are there any PSU that support 2 or 3 Apollos at a time?
I also was going to give solo mining a shot since the returns seemed bigger… however after some quick basic math, it seems that at the current rates, you would earn half as much as you would with pool mining if it did indeed take 14+ years to mine your first block!
Expected Rewards
24 hours 0.00491237 LTC 0.67 USD
Solo Mining Stats
Expected Time per Block 5190 days 23 hours
Youll earn the same solo mining vs pool if you have enough hash rate within a certain amount of time. Remember mining is probabilistic...on average though there is no difference, your just reducing your "variance" by pool mining. This is why people solo mine with small devices, because your betting on that variance (ie hoping that you hit that block next week instead of in 14 years). You essentially are buying one lottery ticket every day that has a 1/~5k chance of winning, which are much nicer odds than the real lottery  |
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Not sure what to think about RX 5700 / 5700 XT for mining purposes.
Raw computing power doesn't seem higher than Vega 64, same for memory bandwith. So unless the new architecture can feed the compute units and the memory faster and with more consistency, I don't think I'll purchase one of these.
While they had a good performance increase in games, same can't be said for mining. I still think nvidia is overall better for most algorithms and when I say most, I say at moment 90%. I thought that they will have the same performance as radeon VII because they have used 7nm fabrication that similar with radeon VII. While radeon VII is more efficient compared with vega 64. FYI vega 64 still used 14nm fabrication. It will be the same as Vega 64 in terms of performance. Vega 7 has 1TB of memory bandwidth while 5700 is ~ 480 GB....they will just be more efficient than the 64. |
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HELP, I am a newborn miner( well not yet ). I started by just grabbing 10 Moonlander 2's, which I have sitting next to me... I should be running them... But I have read so much conflicting information about which unit/power source I should use(and that 75% of the power sources are basically crap) I would be happy running 5-6...or 3 of whatever is the best option these days(price is definitely something that is important but not (do or die) .... I've read it all and can't figure out, which way to turn.. If anyone has an opinion please tell me, which unit(s) you would use. Links would be ExcellenT... I have 5 options that I believe are good,, but truthfully, I could be buying an extended wall outlet for all I know. I can run 3 * x units or simply one That holds them ALL,,,,,,, or even two units.... but I don't know where to turn (The big companies won't give a straight answer (basically they are Switzerland when I ask..)... Almost all of the information on most threads is now far outdated... Please and thank you for anyone that has a response ----- to not only help me but many others that are facing the same question...
Respectfully,
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You should probably start with reading the Moonlander Support thread here and posting your question there...this thread is for Apollo support. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2420357 |
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Curious to see whether the new NAVI Gpu's will be moddable at all. Tweaking GDDR6 could potentially yield some really strong results. I'm sure eliovp would be right on it and share with the community, right? Right?...  BIOS is locked like vegas, no reason why timings should not be modifiable over register space unless AMD has caught on and locks out this in user space. Either way NAVI will perform exactly the same as Vega 56/64....memory bandwidth is the same GDDR6 will just perform slightly better due to tighter timings over HBM...major thing will be power savings over vega |
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Will the Apollo be able to run the Moonlander? I have one on order. I'll just keep the Moonlander running on the Win10 box its currently connected to for now.
The Apollo doesn't have out of the box support for Moonlanders. However, the bfgminer binary for raspberry pi is directly compatible with the Apollo MCU and I've had such combination running without issues. The reality is that it doesn't make much sense from efficiency point of view even if possible. Plus the 5v supply on the Apollo I only designed to be able to run the MCU (I believe its rated for 2A), if you run a Moonlander through the USB port you could risk instability issues with either the Moonlander or the MCU if it starts drawing more than 2A. |
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Pretty sure you'll need to compile this on the odriod. Linux Binaries are for the raspberry pi and x86 based CPUs, they might not work with 64bit ARM.
that's what I was afraid of and that's where things get over my head. Will the Apollo be able to run the Moonlander? I have one on order. I'll just keep the Moonlander running on the Win10 box its currently connected to for now. Its actually fairly straight forward to compile on linux. I know someone posted a detailed writeup somewhere in this thread with all the commands, but Ill post my script later you can just run on your system and its should compile fine. |
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Does anyone know when the new power supplies are going to ship? I ordered mine a while ago. I know it was a pre-order, but I was just curious if anyone had heard anything
The product page still says July. Yes, power supplies are still slated for first or second week of july, thats also when Apollos + PSU combos will ship. We are just starting PCB production in California, so as long as we get the first case metals back by end of June still looking good for stand alone Apollos to start going out end of June. Ill send out an email to all pre-orders this week with a better update. |
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The whole point of USB mining is not really about profitability. Its about enabling people that dont have money to buy expensive GPUs/ASICs to just use a spare USB port on their computer and be up and running with just 40 bucks.
Will a 40 dollar investment make you thousands? Probably not, but the whole point is to bring new people into the ecosystem. They learn what cryptos are about, and earn a little bit of crypto while they are at it.
Most people that buy my USB miners dont use them themselves, they gift them to people that would never think about crypto, but its a fun and engaging way to get them into the ecosystem.
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I'm having a bit of difficulty getting bfgminer to work on my Odroid N2 running Ubuntu 18.04. I have the armv6 version installed and I'm attempting to just get the sample start_moonlander2.sh script to get things going, but I'm getting the following error when trying to run from my bfgminer folder:
./start_moonlander2.sh: line 1: ./bfgminer: no such file or directory
I've given read/write permissions to everything in the directory.
Any thoughts? Is it because it's a 64bit proc?
The only other thing I have running on this SBC is cgminer with my GekkoScience stuff.
Pretty sure you'll need to compile this on the odriod. Linux Binaries are for the raspberry pi and x86 based CPUs, they might not work with 64bit ARM. |
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From an earlier post someone mentioned sticking a 20mm heatsink on the MCU. As it's getting warmer/hotter here I'd like to keep things as cool as possible.
Found this on Amazon - would this be the correct type? With thermal tape (0.15 or 0.25?) I'd presume. Would thermal compound be better than tape?
The H2+ on the Orange Pi Zero is 14x14mm. There's probably no harm in oversizing the heatsink, except that the micro-USB connector may be in the way. The real issue is available height, since it is mounted below the hash board. You may want to consider a small fan, instead. Airflow underneath the unit will help far more than a heatsink in stagnant air. In casual testing, I've found that simply blowing air across an Apollo (from a desk fan, for example) has a significant effect on MCU temperatures. I have my 2 Apollos on a wire rack shelf. Turns out blowing air from the bottom-up cools the miners significantly - more than other options I tried, including USB fans blowing into the front of each, window fan blowing directly into the fronts, etc. Bottom-up is best. Thanks for your feedback! There is no need to worry about MCU temps (unless they are over 80c). These are designed so you don't have to worry about crazy cooling solutions to keep them cool. |
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You guys do know that all that these OSes are doing is running the amdmemtweak command for "rxboost"....not sure why claymore is not including this simple code in his binary, but im assuming it has something to do with all these mining OSes trying to get new users that dont know better to pay for their OS that you can do everything in it by yourself.
What are you talking about  Claymore did add it to his latest binary, it's accessed with the parameter -rxboost Im talking about his linux version... |
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Good evening Claymore Dev team,
Re Claymore version 14.6, why is it that the rxboost and strap will only work with SMOS (simple mining OS), and not for PiMP OS, or other Linux OS’s? Is their a tie up between Claymore and SMOS?
Kind regards,
Louis
No there isnt. It also works in hiveOS as they added it to their latest upgrade on the 26th. It is a linux ~ ubuntu distro operating system. You guys do know that all that these OSes are doing is running the amdmemtweak command for "rxboost"....not sure why claymore is not including this simple code in his binary, but im assuming it has something to do with all these mining OSes trying to get new users that dont know better to pay for their OS that you can do everything in it by yourself. Just go download eliovp's amdmemtweak, compile it and run this command sudo ./amdmemtweak --REF 30 congrats you just got "rxboost"  |
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Any updates on when batch two will be ready to ship?
Things going much smoother this time around so pretty sure we can start shipping end of June as promised. Only bottleneck this time around are the new enclosures which are getting sourced from a different supplier...worst case would be shipping into the beginning of July. are you shipping to Europe or best to wait until bitshopper.de has them? Yes shipping worldwide via fedex. We have really good fedex rates so most express shipments worldwide are between 30-50 USD for most people. Comes down to your local situation on whether shipping+taxes are going to be higher for you from buying direct through me or paying a premium through bitshopper...he sells them at least 20-30% higher to cover import costs + his margins so its a case by case basis. |
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The PCI-E extenders can run at PCIE 1.0 X1 with no hashrate drop. What makes you think that you will benefit from PCIE 4.0? In current technology and algorithm yes, it will not benefit from it, but what I am saying is that in the future if developers adapt and make improvments can this technology be beneficial? The benefits of PCIE 4 come into play with stuff like offloading heavy computation to an FPGA/ASIC type device (like the Acorn)...since you can now offload heavy compute tasks twice as fast between the GPU and secondary device through the PCIE bus. So for heavy memory bound algorithms like most of the GPU centric ones you can have the GPU do what its good at and handle the large memory intensive parts of the algorithm, and then offload the compute heavy rounds to a FPGA/ASIC device. This will significantly reduce the power consumption of the GPU and give a hash rate boost, and the speed ups will be compounded due to the bandwidth increases between the GPU and secondary device over PCIE 4. |
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After setup (my Apollo is working fine), I have port-forwarded from the WAN side of my router to the Apollo portal, but it always displays the "Initial Setup" modal, blocking the login form. The expected behavior was that I would be able to log in and configure as usual. I'm hesitant to do the 'initial setup' again, because I don't want to overwrite my existing setup. Did I miss something, or is this a bug?
Does this occur when you only access the Apollo from outside your local network, or does it happen from your local IP as well? If it only happens outside it could be a bug, as I have not tested this case. If its happening in both cases then sounds like the SD card got corrupted and is not accessing your already configured flag. |
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Any updates on when batch two will be ready to ship?
Things going much smoother this time around so pretty sure we can start shipping end of June as promised. Only bottleneck this time around are the new enclosures which are getting sourced from a different supplier...worst case would be shipping into the beginning of July. |
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Hi. Can anyone help.
On my Mac with 10.13.06 I'm trying to edit the start-moonlander-2 file in order to insert my own info but the bfgminer-5.4.2-FutureBit2-mac64 folder that I have downloaded has 'read only' permissions even though the 'file info' states that there is a read and write privilege for myself.
Amy ideas. Unlocking the folder does nothing and it is not possible to change any of the permissions locked or unlocked.
Thanks in advance.
Did you copy the bfgminer folder out of the dmg image into your desktop or hard drive? |
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hi jstefanop
are you going to make ur in EMA like bitshopper.de, PSU looks really good
EMA? |
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Has anyone done any testing on switching the fan from an exhaust to an ingress orientation? I am thinking about doing that, after cleaning out the heatsink (full of dust) and putting a dust filter over the top if I do switch the orientation. Ultimately what I'm trying to do is get better temps over longer periods of time, with less maintenance. This is the first time I've had to clean dust out of the heatsink, but it's taken about an hour to do. I more like the idea of periodic cleaning of the dust filter instead  EDIT: The other option I'm considering is just applying more dust filters to the present intakes (on the sides), and at the front; luckily 92mm dust filters mostly line up with the screws that hold the sides onto the main frame. That said, a single 92mm filter leaves a small gap near the rear end of the side intakes, about 1cm wide, where there's no filtration. The heatsink is specifically designed for the fan to run as an exhaust instead of pushing air through the top. While you can run it this way it was designed like this to have the highest thermal efficiency at low fan speeds. If you run it reverse you'll find that the fan will need to run at much higher RPMs to keep the same temps. I guess if noise is not an issue for you there is no harm in trying since the controller will compensate for reduced thermal efficiency...I wouldn't do this in Turbo mode though since even at 5-6k RPM that fan might not be able to keep up in this configuration. |
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works great on litecoinpool, most other pools I've tried like zerg and zpool eventually start running at 20% errors or higher. zpool was fine for around a week then it just went nuts 45% errors and the dashboard saying 400 miners
no idea why the errors started.
Make sure you disable donation pool if your mining on any other chain than Litecoin...currently donation pool is tied with Litecoin mining which causes issues with the software when you start mining on other chains. This will be separated in a future update so the donation pool does not interfere with any user pools. |
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