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1101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: March 02, 2018, 10:25:19 PM
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That can't be your problem.  Both of mine say 63 cores in the log.  I never checked this day one but I am running 796 clock and hashing at about 4.45 or so per stick.

jstefanop, 0-63 = 64 cores?  You sure you did not mean to say 63 not 64 for the log output?  Hard to believe both mine are exactly 63 cores in the log?

checked all four of mine and it say's 63 for all of them




Almost all miners & logs list cores/threads/GPUs/ASICs with 0 being the first unit.  Therefor as 0 is the 1st.  0-63 = 64.  Count them.

Yes sorry should have been more clear, the log starts count on core #0 so if all 64 are good it will read 63 in log output.
1102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: March 01, 2018, 11:01:03 PM
I was running Moonlander 2 for a couple of weeks, from internal USB of the laptop and had stable 4.7MHz/s speed at 832 freq.
Now, I got a good quality 2A USB hub. I put the core voltage slightly up and frequency 852. For a couple of hours it gave me speed of 4.9MHz/s and then stopped. I put the voltage back to previous position but now, no matter what frequency I put I get a speed of 3.1-2.4 MHz. Anybody knows how to check if I damaged the device? E.g. is there a way to check number of alive cores?

Thanks!

Put "-D 2>log.txt" at the end of the bat command. Start it up and it will spit out the log.txt file in same directory. In there you will see startup sequence and it checks for number of active cores. Should say 64.
1103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: March 01, 2018, 10:59:16 PM
I have a question, I just went to adjust my voltage pot and the damn top part came off. I was wondering what pot was used on this so I could buy one and replace it.

Also could I just use a 1.5 ohm resistor in order to get the .75 Volts, and what solder points would I use for it if I could. I imagine one of them is one the core voltage probe point.

How did you manage that? These pots are pretty good with abuse, but either way all it takes is a very small screwdriver and some very fine and lite movements to change the voltage. Im assuming you went crazy on it and turned it way more than 180 degrees.

Pots are no where near 1.5 ohm...top one is around 5k and bottom is 100k if I remember correctly.
1104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: March 01, 2018, 10:54:33 PM
Your opinion please on temps.
... I use a heat gun probe tool to measure the small back heat sink and it runs about 153F.  Knowing chips a bit 153F is OK.
... BUT the back heat sink runs about 162F.  I think this is pushing it no?  
Is 162F OK for the back heat sink?  What is the max temp on this to be careful of reaching?  Back in my old chip days 175F was about it before stuff starts losing a lot of life big time.

Back in the old days people read the instructions first Smiley -- see page 1 of this thread:

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Even with a fan built in, you can still overheat your Moonlander at higher frequencies. I do not recommend running these past 800mhz unless you can closely monitor temps (if you have a IR temp gun check the top ASIC heatsink, it should not be any hotter than 80C).

Everyone using these beyond 800Mhz uses external cooling (fans). 162F = 72C which is getting borderline, 153F = 67C is really hot. I am running at around 35C = 95F.


My bad...  I missed this one line. And yes I have read page one many times.  I just missed the one single line on the temp subject.

"if you have a IR temp gun check the top ASIC heatsink, it should not be any hotter than 80C"

That is 176F and I am far below it at 153F.  To me this seems OK then?  Even at 832 clock and 163F this is still well below 176F.

So why do I need another fan?  I cannot go above 832 clock as I get too many hardware errors (over 10%) on these even cranking up the core voltage.

Bob

80C at the top of the small heatsink translates to about 90C chip core temp. I would not go above this for prolonged periods of time, but anything below 80C is actually quiet cool for an ASIC (especially for scrypt ASICs, since they don't have a very large compute die). I would not worry unless you reading temps past 80C.

The main issue with heat is actually more stress on the mosfets, since these chips scale very badly with heat (current draw reaches exponential curve as the chip temp goes up). Your most likely to fry the mosfets/cause a overheat buck shutdown than kill the asic. 
1105  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [Batch 2 IN STOCK!] FutureBit Moonlander 2 Official Order Thread on: February 25, 2018, 09:46:41 PM
Hey mate.  Is there any chance you guys accept crypto currencies for purchases?  Just cllaned out my card as I get paid soon, and dumped into crypto.  Please say yass!

Yep, most of my distributors listed on the main page accept crypto.
1106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 25, 2018, 09:45:39 PM
Hello miners,

I received my first Moonlander 2 on Friday.
And now the first steps to get into mining world Smiley.

I managed to get it up and running for Litecoin and it works perfectly.

But I would like to try it as well for one of following coins:
Doge
Verge
DigiByte

Is there somebody who could give me a hand with this?
Don`t know how to set the bat file properly for these.
Can they be mined on litecoin pool as well?

Thanks for all support and help - send me PM for guidance.

All the best!



Welcome to mining!

You should do some general research on the web for mining, each coin usually has its own pool (for example litecoin pool only mines litecoin obviously, and you can't mine any other coin on there). For example if you want to mine verge, you just edit the bat file and change the pool info to miningpoolhub.com (one of the verge mining pools).
1107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 25, 2018, 01:47:03 AM
i dont get this hub to work... the PSU is 30A on the 5V side

i get tons on "moonlander has stopped hashing" and "unknown rsponse from moonlander" msg

they work (if) very slow also on this hub and get HOT



any recommendations to get 12 Moonlanders loadet?






greets
mike
Was Having a similar problem trying to run 15 on the big eyeboot hub.  I left the clock at 600 and raised the minimum difficulty to 2048.  While I only get 3.4 Mh, they run much more stable.  I also added some options to the command line that really helped seemed to help.  I also put a some small usb fans in the empty slots on the hub to help move the air.

bfgminer.exe --scrypt -o stratum+tcp://us.litecoinpool.org:3333 -u worker.1 -p 1,d=2048 -S MLD:all --set MLD:clock=600,baud=23040,chips=1,modules=2,usefifo=0,hotplug=17,thread-concurrency=50000,lookup-gap=0,gpu-threads=1





Sounds like a placebo effect  lol Tongue

The only option my driver recognizes is "clock=" ...everything else is useless that you have. The only thing that could have made a difference is the d=2048, and those USB fans moving some heat away and causing them to run a bit cooler/more stable.

1108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 25, 2018, 01:43:49 AM

I lowered it to 540 freq and around .65 core voltage, went well for 2 days. Then the same thing resurfaced.
Multiple errors, but now the hashrate goes even lower ex. 1.5.

It might have been something with the assembly of the ML by the distributor as the large heatsink with fan came loose (heat?) and I had the put it back.
It was already average assembled from start (fan and heatsink were pretty much off target by 0.5cm Wink )

I can't even let it run for 30 minutes now on low freq and voltage or the glue/paste starts to go soft and as I ran the thing horizontal the fan and heatsink would just fall down.

I'm not much of a hardware guy so I'm trying to explain the things as I see them Smiley

Thank you!

How long was it running with a detached heatsink? That should have completely fried it and probably the reason its not working how it should. These heatsinks are impossible to pull off as long as they are attached correctly (15 lbs force for 15 seconds). Sounds like the distributor you got them from didn't attached this one correct. Where did you buy it from?
1109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FutureBit Moonlander 2: The Most Powerful and Efficient USB Stick Miner! on: February 23, 2018, 07:27:17 PM
Can anyone help me to get these running on NOOBS on raspberry pi 3 B

Please check the support thread and read at leas the first few pages....all your questions will be answered there, as well as detailed instructions on how to get started on a Pi.
1110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 21, 2018, 05:09:07 PM
Hello,

I've been running a ML2 for about 2 days, pretty much at stock settings (upped freq to 620) on a macbook pro usb3 port.
It has been running stable for that time, but suddenly the hashrate dropped to 2.1 - 2.5 MH, it used to be stable at 3 - 3.2 MH.

Am I missing something right here? My setup didn't change (no other devices attached).
For stable 3 MH you will need more than 500 mA. Can macbook pro usb port suplly current more than that?

I have no idea, I can only tell what I saw these last 2 days.

This is what system info says

Current Available (mA):   500
Current Required (mA):   100
Extra Operating Current (mA):   0

Apple docs:

Apple computers equipped with USB 3 provide up to 900 mA (milliamps) at 5 V (Volts) to most Apple USB peripherals as well as all third-party USB peripherals that comply with USB specifications.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204377
According to docs, it can provide from 500 mA up to 1100 mA, depends how much attached device is in some way compatible with oem apple devices. Try to lower clock speed @540... Dropping hasrate is usually all about lack of juice from usb port...

EDIT: 620 is not available clock speed listed on first page.

oh wow..
Must be a typo, I'll see what fixing this does.

Thank you.

It's on 625 now, but it seems it doesn't matter much. I used to get 3.2MH on 600 and stock settings, but hey better than nothing Wink
I'm mainly doing this to support and because I'm interested in it, not to get rich.


It is getting worse and worse from now on. It has drops to 1.5MH.
Frequent unknown responses, restarts,..

I have to lower my freq everyday, while it was stable the first 3 days, something definitely is wrong.

Screenshot:





I think you should decrease Vcore to 0.65V. Read page #34 of this thread up to post #669.

Yea to get under 1A and stable operation off a standard computer USB port your going to need to lower the voltage and run under 600 MHz.
1111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 16, 2018, 10:53:47 PM
It used to be hovering around 4.2 - 4.8 although now is around 2.3... any ideas?

Has anything changed in your setup? Low hash rate is usually because you don't provide enough power to device (added another USB device?) or the device is overheating. You need better cooling or turn down the frequency. What happens when you unplug for 5 minutes... does hash rate go back up?
Nothing has changed... I tried unplugging it and rebooting the whole thing - nothing. The power was working fin before, and nothing has changed, so I can't think what it would be...

Thats normal, especially if its been running straight for a really long time. Some cores will destabilize and shutdown eventually. Driver has a fix for a complete core stall, but not drop in hashrate yet. Will have this fix in on the next release.

And just to be clear - the cores can come back online right?

yes, but you will need to manually restart it currently.
1112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 16, 2018, 08:07:44 PM
I am having problems with the moonlanders stop hashing. Once 2-3 of them stop they don’t seem to want to restart. I tried different clock speeds and always have 1-3 of them stop. Bfgminer keeps saying it’s trying to restart them with no luck. Any suggestions?

Your hub is not providing enough power. Try lowering voltages/freq.

I am using the eyeboot 49 port self powered hub with 20 miners, maybe I will try removing a few and lowering the voltage

Yea 20 is near the max for that hub especially if you are running them past stock speeds. The most I have ever run stably is about 15 on it (at max speed).
1113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 16, 2018, 08:04:18 PM
One of my sticks from bitshopper is allways at cca. 10% HW errors. 8.5% was lowest I saw after 60mins and it stays arround 8.5-8.6%. I didn't tune anything but tried another way. Started at lowest clock @384, than @450... all the way up to 700, but allways is the same. VCORE=0.77V, VMEM=0.84V. I use Sipolar A-400 hub, only with this one stick in it for testing. Is it stick problem or should I try to tune it? Just need direction 'cause stock voltages looks ok, at least for clock speeds up to 600MHz...

Few sticks I have come across show this issue. Its rare, but the IO coms sometimes spit out garbage that is picked up as a hardware error, unfortunately no way to filter this out. As long as they hash fine you can ignore it (you just have to figure that 8.5% is 0% error for your stick when tuning).
1114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 16, 2018, 08:00:44 PM
I am having problems with the moonlanders stop hashing. Once 2-3 of them stop they don’t seem to want to restart. I tried different clock speeds and always have 1-3 of them stop. Bfgminer keeps saying it’s trying to restart them with no luck. Any suggestions?

Your hub is not providing enough power. Try lowering voltages/freq.
1115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Official FutureBit Moonlander 2 Driver and Support Thread on: February 16, 2018, 05:57:55 PM
It used to be hovering around 4.2 - 4.8 although now is around 2.3... any ideas?

Has anything changed in your setup? Low hash rate is usually because you don't provide enough power to device (added another USB device?) or the device is overheating. You need better cooling or turn down the frequency. What happens when you unplug for 5 minutes... does hash rate go back up?
Nothing has changed... I tried unplugging it and rebooting the whole thing - nothing. The power was working fin before, and nothing has changed, so I can't think what it would be...

Thats normal, especially if its been running straight for a really long time. Some cores will destabilize and shutdown eventually. Driver has a fix for a complete core stall, but not drop in hashrate yet. Will have this fix in on the next release.
1116  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [Batch 2 IN STOCK!] FutureBit Moonlander 2 Official Pre-order Thread on: February 16, 2018, 04:12:46 PM
Customers who ordered last week with an announced lead time of ten days will get their delivery at first.
There was no such announcement on your website. You shouldn't have listed the item as in stock and accepted orders and the payment as well. It's not acceptable to pay full price and end up as a sort of preorder.


Cant really know ahead of time for issues like this, otherwise Im sure he would have made an announcement. Not his fault amazon is having issues in Europe. Either way previous two pre-orders were a 2 month wait, 10 days is not a pre-order :p
1117  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GPUs miners beware! on: February 16, 2018, 03:34:16 PM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.

Thats incorrect, if they are using quad channel spread to 8 16bit 512MB DDR3 chips for each core thats ~14mh per core (assuming around a 1GHZ ram speed, some DDR3 can go up to 1600mhz. 14x 6 cores x 3 boards ~ 250 MH.

How did you calculate 14 MH/s per core? 14 MH/s would require roughly 140 GB/s bandwidth which seems unrealistic even for a quad channel DDR3. A quad channel 1866MHz DDR3 can reach 59.7 GB/s (source https://www.microway.com/knowledge-center-articles/performance-characteristics-of-common-transports-buses/). Therefore one core hashrate should be close to 6 MH/s. 6 MH/s * 6 * 3 = 108 MH/s.

933 mhz x 2 (DDR) x 4 (quad channel) x 128 bit wide bus (8 x16 bit DDR3 chips) / 8bits = 120 GB/s

Remember stock ram for motherboard is 64bit wide no reason why you can't go higher, if they are really using something between 72-96GB per board and I'm assuming article is wrong and its 72GB which would make sense for 8 x 512mb chips per core for 128bit wide bus.
1118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GPUs miners beware! on: February 15, 2018, 06:19:07 PM
Did some quick maths

ASSUMING that they use quad channel interface for each chip with the fastest ddr3 in existence and its 96GB not 72GB, that would make the total memory bandwidth of the rig 1TB/s which is 4 times faster than a RX580 or around 120MH/s. That would be the worst case scenario.

Thats incorrect, if they are using quad channel spread to 8 16bit 512MB DDR3 chips for each core thats ~14mh per core (assuming around a 1GHZ ram speed, some DDR3 can go up to 1600mhz. 14x 6 cores x 3 boards ~ 250 MH.
1119  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [2018-02-12]Bitmain To Release Ethereum ASIC Miner F3 With 72Gb DDR3 Dram In Q2 on: February 15, 2018, 06:07:39 PM
Using rx 560 chip should be enough to cover 10mh or so. Multiply by 18 i was thinking about 180mh with range 1500-3000 usd and power 18 x 75 watt = 1350 watt. Match up with its PSU Apw3++

IF they bought from amd for $25 per 560 chip, its only $450 for chips.

They can also goes to 580 chip to, 18 x 30 it means 540 mhs. All with 18 x 191 watt = 3438 watt (vga card). With good waver it might push to under 3000 watt so it can match with they old psu Awp5 up to 3200 watt.

580 chip only should around $50-75 so it up to $1350 and $3000 is a good price for this.
The expensive part is memory

Agree, a 8gb of VGEN DDR3 almost $80. So let say $10 including memory board, I guess they can have half the price for $5 per 1gb. 72gb should around $360, chip only.

Anyway I bought their products since 2014 and every single product always get me profit 2 times or more from their price (i dont buy v9 lol), so it should be something big  Grin

its not the price of DDR3 that we're laughing about... the article was a joke. You can't mine ETH with DDR3 lol

Whats a joke about that? Anyone commenting on the pure engineering/tech of using DDR3 for eth mining has no engineering background and no idea what your talking about if your laughing about it.

Give me 10 mill to develop an eth ASIC core with a 4 channel DDR3 mem controller and it will blow any GDDR5 based GPU out of the water in terms of perf/$ and perf/watt
1120  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GPUs miners beware! on: February 14, 2018, 06:06:55 PM
This kind of makes sense assuming the numbers are correct for 32GB per 6 asics on each board. That means about 5GB of memory for each asic. If they are really using DDR3 (which again makes sense for an ASIC style eth design, since 96 GB of GDDR5 would be crazy expensive), they could probably get away with a 256 bit memory bus running at 933mhz (near max of DDR3). That would translate to about 60GB/s per asic or about 7mh, x 6 = 42 MH per board or 126 mh per machine at probably 200-300 watts.

Nothing crazy but is the equivalent of a 6 GPU rig, for probably half the power cost at half the USD cost.

I think theres some faulty math going on here, the article says 6 chips and 32gb per board, 3 boards, and a total of 72gb. Also it says 32 1GB chips ... how many 1GB DDR3 chips have you ever seen jstenfanop?
Now if it were 24gb per board, that would make some sense as thats 6 x 4 so each asic/gpu gets 4gb. In any case, no chip designer is going to go with ddr3, and a 28nm process for prod, maybe for a test/tapeout but not full scale prod, it'd just be stupid. This is just pure vaporware.

Also guys quit hating on Metroid, hes just salty he missed the mining bus, let him enjoy these few moments he gets, however fake they may be.

Here you go :p

https://www.micron.com/parts/dram/ddr3-sdram/mt41k512m16ha-107?pc={00EED26F-83AE-4CE6-9A28-EB8B033361E8}

1GB x16 wide  933mhz chip super cheap DDR3 chip. Either way something is wrong with the article since the numbers don't add. If they are doing something like this would make sense to use 512MB x16 wide chips for lets say 4GB of 128 bit wide ram per core. Then your looking at like 7 or 14 MH per core depending on number on memory interfaces per core.

You don't need anything crazy on the core to do the hashes...going lower than 28nm for an eth specific asic is what would really be "stupid" as you put it.

Only reason eth asics have not come out is because GPUs have still been more economical, but with current eth prices that changes. An eth asic is essentially a GPU with a much smaller compute die and cheaper memory.

One of these cores would be about $10 bucks for the asic core/memory controller, and another 20 bucks for the 4GB of DDR3 ram. So your looking at around 30 bucks per 14 MH core (lets say it has 4 memory interfaces).

So bitmain is looking at the current market and are like hey 30 MH GPUs are selling for 400 bucks, we can make the equivalent with 2 ASIC cores for 60 bucks and sell it for 200 with a fraction of the power consumption = win.

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