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3001  Economy / Economics / Re: Covid omicron version 2.0 monkeypox coming and markets on: June 15, 2022, 05:55:12 PM
It seems he already knows the answer because he states some reasons there and he was so bullish about it but he likes to share his insights to us that is why this thread is here. He thinks the new variant is better for the market because he sees that covid brings some positive impact in the market. You know, people stays at home and can discover something that they didn't know before like cryptocurrencies.

There is also stimulus and there are reports that some people use it to invest in cryptos but of course the health is still better over those material things because once it lost there will be no other replacements for it. In case of a bear a hodler can still buy a crypto in addition to what they are hodling.
Well, covid period increased the price of bitcoin, so many people think that if there is another pandemic then the prices would increase again. However, they do not realize that the increase happened because of inflation, and the decrease happened because of recession, neither is good.

We should have absolutely nothing this shocking, and just end up doing like a regular ordinary day, if we can have ordinary days for many years, we end up with a profit anyway. Well, simply because if economy is not screwed, everyone goes to work, earns a stable income, do not have highly volatile unexpected expenses, and they save money and invest into crypto (or other things).
3002  Economy / Speculation / Re: Lemming meta on: June 15, 2022, 04:29:16 PM
Not this week, a proper sell has to refute the upside case first.   A rush to conclude prices is not often the way BTC proceeds, people like excitement so expect everything now but its a bit of a slower process then that.   The world only turns once every 24 hours and some people are asleep right now, situation development requires involvement of many parties to achieve any kind of consensus and movement.  
  I kinda wish we'd see that low event this week (can be 19k or any price not sure yet) and then put it behind us but I dont think it occurs immediately as we are only just newly arrived in the 200 week moving average area.


Today we've been tracking back and forth across the 12hr average.   The first tiny part of moving upwards is returning positive on the latter part of the day at least.
Volatility is the thing that confuses their mind the most. They see the price move from 30k to 23k, which is a good chunk of loss for sure, however at the same time that is not something that happens every single day but it just confuses people because they see it "possible".

So next thing they think, "if it can go from 30k to 23k in a few days, then why not be 13k in a week? it did it so far and can do it again" which is why I believe it is quite possible. All in all, I believe that we shouldn't really cause it to be a big deal, I believe this is why there are so many people think that it shouldn't really be a big deal and could happen, when it won't.
3003  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trying to identify the bottom.. on: June 15, 2022, 03:33:19 PM
So really, does not matter from here on if we dip any further, current prices are just good, 15k is better, 10k is even better, one should be prepared to accumulate at any given price, big or small it does not matter, what matter is, buying a solid asset at 70% off or more from ATH was never a bad idea. 
I definitely agree that drops are fine, and there isn't anything that would be valuable at all, it will be profitable, but not worthy of it at all. If it drops to 10k, that would be great for us because we would be able to buy from that level and later on sell for 100k when that happens and make 10x, that is great and I agree with that part. But that means many of the things we worked hard to achieve in the crypto community would be gone, and I do not support that at all.

I believe that we should be focusing on getting better and higher at all times and make a profit like that, which would make a lot more sense to me to be fair because we would both earn money but also develop further.
3004  Economy / Economics / Re: How can I survive in a place where BTC is restricted? on: June 14, 2022, 09:26:01 PM
I believe that people that have a btc on those countries have already existed before btc came therefore they can continue doing those things again that made them survive and grow even without the help of btc. The country of china have re-allowed btc before on their country. They are the same with India and others that can ban and unban btc/crypto so there might be a chance that they will do it again.

Btc users on this country should hope and pray for it but for now they should avoid any other activity that is deemed illegal like using a vpn to access restricted btc sites because that will be a big problem if ever they got caught.
It's not going to be easy to do that though. Like for example I have been full-time crypto worker for the past 6 years or so, and that means I have been accustomed to living a certain way, mainly at home without going to work for example. If we suddenly start to consider all of those people needing to find another work, that would be hard.

I wouldn't be able to find any other work these days, I would stay at home and try to find a way to stay as a full time crypto worker forever, not going to be simple and would take months or even a year, but I am certain that I will get there eventually, a year of terrible works and being unemployed, but I will get there anyway, even if it's illegal, I would just find foreigners to pay me instead.
3005  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't sell your precious BTC to the whales! on: June 14, 2022, 08:24:39 PM
We've been here before, you are just making the whales richer, selling your precious BTC for pennies (crappy fiat). The storm will pass, hodl, or try to accumulate even more BTC, it's a great time to buy for cheap. We will make it this time too. Even if BTC goes down to $15,000 nothing is forever. Remember $20,000 down to $3,000? Been through that storm too. Remember, 1 BTC = 1 BTC. To the Moon!
Although I know all this, it's nice to read this particular text and many others in this thread. I myself wasn't that smart in times when BTC went from $20k to $3k. I thought it could go to $200-$300 or something, and I cashed out a lot at $3k+. I mean, I needed the money, it wasn't like cashing out and then keeping a pile of USD in the closet, no, I really needed the money back then, but, idk, maybe I'd better borrow the money and paid back when BTC was $60+?
It is understandable, there are a lot of people who didn't know how bitcoin could recover during that period, plus it was only the second time we had a big fall, first was from 1.4k to 100-150 range, and the second came when it was 20k to 3k range, and the first one didn't had many people, so majority of the crypto had their first big crash in 2017, but we are in 2022 right now and we know that it could recover and how it does.

So right now, it is a bit harder for people to think that it will never recover, there are people who sell even today, that think it will recover, but they just want to sell now and buy cheaper later on, so there are more people who know it will recover.
3006  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A season for stop loss on: June 14, 2022, 10:49:52 AM
It is not that simple, I would say that when we know its not doing fine, putting a stop loss at %50 would be understandable, because anything that goes down %50 would probably go down even more and that is understandable. But having any stocks or gold compared to that? They do not really go down %50 that easily, maybe some stocks could, but not the market in general. This is why there is a big difference between the two. I still say you should go with crypto though, because you donot make x100 with stocks that commonly, but doing x100 in crypto is not unheard of, in fact it is quite common during bull periods.
You should still be careful though. I agree that with crypto there are some falls which are sharper than stocks, and the whole market is in a big fall, we reached like 70% or so down from the top, and that is a sad situation. I get that we will also recover a lot bigger as well, I agree that bitcoin could reach like 300k for example, before tesla goes up 2x from current price, so it is quite possible to make more money here.

But, just because the up is that much, doesn't  mean that we need to go that high, we could still end up with some part of making a good return while being careful with what we are investing into. Stop loss would be a smart decision in that case.
3007  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Luna 2.0 keeps falling on: June 14, 2022, 03:14:14 AM
It is not the same thing, you are somewhat making a mistake, you cannot compare the plunge of btc with that of Luna, or any other shitcoin/altcoin for that matter, you must take into cognizance that most altcoins including Luna are pump and dump shitcoins that only pumped in the network due to hype, and quite a lot of them die when the hype is over, they dump and do not rise again, these are the sort of coins you sell the moment you make ROI or immediately they start to crash so you do not lose your money, because if you think of hodling it for it to rise again, then you'd be making a grave mistake.
Unfortunately since they are not too much far apart, there are a ton of people who will compare the two things together. I know that it is wrong, but I have been here for a long time so I am knowing what's wrong is normal, and me knowing that alts (including shits like luna) are not the same as bitcoin and bitcoin will always recover, is normal.

Because, I have seen bitcoin go from 20k to 3k to 68k, I have lived through that, I have seen bitcoin break the ATH and be 20k in 2017, I have seen it reach 3k during 2018, and I have seen it become 68k again in 2021, all of that happened when I was here. People who are hopeless about bitcoin right now, probably didn't live through that period.
3008  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is there any kinds of altcoin gives constant rewards? on: June 13, 2022, 09:04:59 PM
that's shit. These days you can't get something that can give you constant profit. This is not exist for now. A lot of tokens with non sense APY is slowly death and so you are gambling with the time.
I agree with your point, but if you do not want to stake unstable coins which are very risky in this time of bear market, you can still stake coins like USDT, USDC or DIA which are stable coins and you will get your reward for making your coin active in a pool. During bull market you can also stake unstable coins like Ether.
The staking rewards for stablecoins are not that high, considering that they are usually not printed to pay you, that means that people you gave that money to, needs to find a way to make you money, either via trading fee, or some other method, but they need to find a way to pay you nonetheless.

So, I do not see that type of staking as riskless. Things like Cake for example, have a staking feature which means that you will stake, and more will be printed to pay towards people who stake it, and the dex is working towards making sure that people who stake or LP end up getting paid based on how much they stake. That's a bit more sustainable to me.
3009  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Act to defend privacy or resign ourselves to its loss? on: June 13, 2022, 08:36:06 PM
We live in a world dominated and controlled by the government, to be honest, I don't think we can stand against them. Maybe they can't control bitcoin but they can obviously ban it and interfere with our privacy through centralized exchanges and moreover they can issue a bitcoin ban if we try antipathy against them. Government power comes from centralization so not only bitcoin but anything that compromises their power they will find a way to manage or destroy it.
That's the reality, at first, during the early stage of bitcoin, I thought it would be untouchable by the government because it's the opposite of what the government is practicing, bitcoin promotes decentralization, but how can we enjoy it when anonymity will become a crime every time we transact bitcoin.

The privacy we are fighting is not legal, so anything not legal is punishable by the law.  
Privacy is the part of crypto that government is fighting, the financial part is not. It could stay decentralized and definitely be in the asset market as a whole, literally could have ETF soon, all of that is fine as long as government knows who is investing and how much.

They do not see crypto as a threat, there are a billion other fiat currencies outside of your own currency as well, wherever you live, your fiat needs to be strong against others, not just strong because mainly all fiat devalued in the recent 3 years, but just be stronger compared to others, this now includes bitcoin as well. As long as there is no privacy, governments are fine with it.
3010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't sell your precious BTC to the whales! on: June 13, 2022, 07:24:48 PM
It's true that we've been here. If you're new then for sure that no ones to blame if you're ever feeling to panic.

But for us, who have been here during the toughest bear market like in 2018, we know what to do and we just have to chill and if you have money to spend, buy bitcoin.

Being patient is one of the factors that will save you survive this bear and will also help you to be one of those people that will have a good moment when we're back in bull.
This is true, I have been here not only during 2018 but during 2014-2015 period as well and I know that this is temporary. Of course there are still some situations, like the business I am part of is a business that deals in crypto and I get paid in crypto, so that means when the crypto is not bull at all, and it is in a bear market like right now, it is dangerous because the business could go badly and I may earn less, which is a scare.

But for investors, it is really nothing shocking, I have investments made from all over the place and I can easily say that I am fine, why? Because I know for a fact that it will recover, don't know when, but it will, so I am quite fine.
3011  Other / Archival / Re: Bitcoin's historical correlation with traditional markets begins to weaken on: June 12, 2022, 05:09:15 PM
a month ago, there was an opinion in the media that the growth of bitcoin in 2021 could be triggered by the transfer of assets from the stock market to bitcoin, as shares are constantly losing value due to the current trend to curb inflation and price growth, and this can lead to growth bitcoin prices in the region of $70,000-$100,000. Although I personally do not believe that bitcoin will show  ATH in 2022, the loss of correlation may allow, for example, the price to rise to $50,000.
I feel like the chart is not fake, but at the same time I do not think that it is really that much of a shock neither. This happens every few years, something happens that makes the stocks go up while crypto is down or crypto is up while stocks are down, it happens and not a shock. But, then it goes back to normal and we are aligned again.

This is what I am guessing will happen with the current situation as well. This is of course just a guess, I can't really say that it will definitely be like that again, maybe this time around it is more permanent difference, but I highly doubt that and countdown must have already started until we are already getting close again.
3012  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why is the value of USDT less than one dollar? on: June 12, 2022, 01:54:41 PM
After what happened to UST. Many crypto users are now choosing BUSD and USDC. because these two Stablecoins conduct regular audits.
Meanwhile, USDT in terms of audit, regulation and underlying storage is less transparent. so many sell it and switch to USDC and BUSD. maybe this is also one of the reasons. Moreover, there have been problems in the past that have tarnished the reputation of USDT itself. although USDT at that time was able to solve the problem well. But people are still afraid and feel that USDT is still a high risk.
I would say that people do not even pick those anymore. USDT lost a ton of blood, there were 10+ billion dollars worth of withdraws from there, and they had to cash out so much to pay for that much leaving them all at once but they did it, each time is a bit of a problem for them because they invest into liquid assets to make a profit as well.

Secondly, USDC didn't grow all that much and neither did BUSD but that could be mainly because of the market going down as well, people might be leaving all together instead of just turning their crypto to stablecoins. This UST deal was just something major and hurt all of the market and not just even stablecoins.
3013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you educate petty traders in adopting Bitcoin? on: June 11, 2022, 02:48:21 PM
As I mentioned in some previous posts, any other BTC / Crypto adoption from here on is out of our hands. What we mustn't do is preach the BTC gospel to everyone and anyone, that's bad and it's ineffective, even counterproductive.
I wouldn't say it is out of our hands. It is out of our hands individually, but as a community it is still in our hands. Meaning, if we want to help people adopt to bitcoin a lot more, we could literally move that direction with our money. How? For any project that is aiming at increasing the adoption, we could help them with our money, it could be using them, it could be investing into them, it could be supporting them with chatter, it could be paying them to keep going (patron style) and so forth.

Basically, we could still voice our opinion on the matter as a whole. Sure that is not just one person going around yelling bitcoin to anyone, but as a whole we can still do some things.
3014  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is trading journals worth it? on: June 11, 2022, 12:31:10 PM
Other traders might find it helpful and others might find it devastating. Your mistakes that you wrote in your journal could help you to avoid the same mistake, which leads to growth because you're gonna find another way to correct it instead of doing it again. On the other perspective, looking at your mistakes in your journal might give you a certain impact like discouraging yourself to quit trading because you committed already a lot of mistakes and stopping trading is more wise.
This is basically the case for almost every single thing in the crypto world. There are things that make it easy, and there are things that make it hard. I believe that the best way to trade would be to use a trade journal, so that you could go back and check it, but some people could find it futile and not helpful at all and just checking trading history is all there is to know.

I literally write down the "reason" why I bought something and when I bought it and at what price, that way I know the way I think while buying it. That allows me to know the mindset, and change it, if it is wrong of course. You can't do that with a trading history chart, but I guess some people find it enough.
3015  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading Emotions on: June 11, 2022, 11:28:35 AM
Without a doubt the lack of emotional control can be a huge issue for a lot of people, not only when they trade or invest but on their everyday lives, after all it is not rare to see examples of this all the time when we watch the news, so it is not surprising this is an element in which a great deal of traders fail and which causes them so many problems, so only those which can let their emotions aside and trade by only making use of their reason have what it is necessary to have a chance to become successful in this market.
There are some people with a ton of emotions, and some that do not like to show their emotions. This is the difference while trading as well. Some people trade with zero emotions because they are not emotional people in any part of their life neither, and there are some people who could trade and lose a ton of money because they got emotional and let their emotions take over when they are trading since they are emotional like that on all parts of their lives.

This is why I became a long term investor more than I am a trader, not that I never trade, but since I am a bit emotional, it is much better for me to just keep it on the long term side and not trade too much.
3016  Economy / Economics / Re: COVID had widened the gap between world's richest and poorest on: June 11, 2022, 10:49:40 AM
I can still remember how some sanitizer and musk were sold at double price than its normal price. There was a huge shortage in the supply because people were buying them in a rush. Selling face musk become some people's full-time jobs because of huge demands. TBH there fear that the media spread about the COVID-19 was overwhelming. I personally saw one aged person die because of COVID-19.
Toilet paper, regular paper towels, food that lasts long, everything went high in price and people were stocking them like crazy and they were trying to sold them back with double the price at least. I had a friend who had one of those gun looking temperature things and he bought about a thousand of them, cost him all of his savings but dude tripled his money in a single month, that was a huge win for him.

I understand the fear, because it was seriously bad when you got it, I have faced with 2 people who had it, both survived and well right now, but they were really shaken up during, it was a horrible thing. And 5+ million died total as well. So you either face a terrible sickness and survive, or you die, both of them look quite terrible options.
3017  Economy / Economics / Re: Unusual Situation as Russia’s Ruble bounces back as world best per fiat currency on: June 10, 2022, 09:22:15 PM
Interest rates around 10% are considered pretty high. Having high interest rates in combination with a heavily regulated and manipulated currency market means that:
1.The national currency will have high value. Countries with higher interest rates have higher valued national currencies.
2.The national currency isn't fully convertible into foreign currencies, which means that the current market value isn't the actual value of that currency. Nobody knows the actual value of the Russian ruble.
I really wish the European Central bank to slowly raise the interest rates to levels around 10%, this would definitely make the euro more expensive, which might make the gas and oil import cheaper.
Increasing the interest rate doesn't make it more valuable, it just makes it more "rare" compared to when it's low interest rate. However, it is not fully gone, it's there, the moment you drop the rates, the money will flood the markets all over again.

It's much better to not print more and more, that's what nations do and if you could stop doing that for a while, then other nations will keep doing it and yours will become more valuable, that's a bit more long term approach that would be better for every nation and would not have a bad side effect. The other parts I agree with, specially the EU one, they need to increase the rates very very quickly, 10% would be lovely and help everyone out.
3018  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Luna 2.0 keeps falling on: June 10, 2022, 08:31:32 PM
The Luna pride fork is a joke really. I don't think anyone with half a brain would expect anything to happen here. People who you see buying this are likely delusional and just trying to cash in on the many people that they think will be dumb enough to buy it. It's sad!!! Oddly enough, many crypto users are expecting the new Luna to get back on track, but how does that happen?
Well, this is the crypto world, nobody really forces you to buy anything at all, you have to do absolutely nothing about it. If someone is fool enough to buy something like that, then they are digging their own grave and we should not really be focusing on it at all, we could totally let it be.

I guess that the best thing about crypto right now is the fact that we make our own decisions, no banks, no brokers, no wall street, we are the ones that buy and sell. This means that if there is a scam project out there, trying to take your money, and you do give your money to them and get scammed, then you are the only one to blame for it as well.
3019  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are your opinions about fan tokens? I'm thinking to invest in them on: June 10, 2022, 06:41:40 PM
Fans tokens are the real deal, they don't disappoint and they always maintain good value, even if a bear market is very tough fan tokens will be one of the few that will withstand any bear threat that may come in near future, though nothing beats buying at discount price and taking profits.
The reason for fan tokens to be going this strong is the fact that there are some projects that actually give something in return, have some sort of utility about it. For example, there are clubs that give people free tickets for unimportant games, usually seats that would be empty anyway, but for people who bought the fan token and holding a good amount of it.

Like if you own 10k dollars worth of the token itself, you could watch the game for free, obviously the amount is too much but you pay nothing for the seat, you could literally sell it before the game starts, after you get in the game. That's why utility means a lot in crypto, it makes a project worth something.
3020  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen to binance if found guilty on: June 10, 2022, 06:34:35 PM
A new case will begin just like how XRP battled with SEC for a few years, I am sure that Binance exchange will win on the long run because SEC isn't as rich as Binance, so its clear Binance will win and I guess that's why XRP was able to win against SEC too.
The SEC is the most powerful organization in the financial world. Nobody wins against her in court. Ripple will lose in court and Binance will lose. It is only possible to negotiate with the SEC and pay heavy fines. There will be no other option for the development of events.
I do not think that SEC really matters that much if you do not care about the USA though. Like lets assume that you are a company that deals in Bahamas, or Malta, or whatever gray area that you would like to work in, and that means you are going to end up with being further away from the reaches of SEC in that case because they can't legally do anything. Sure they could punish you, give you a penalty fee, or whatever they want, but if you do not want to work within USA, then you can ignore it and move on.

There are a lot of people like that in the world and a lot of corporations as well. SEC "wins" in the court, but the result always doesn't come.
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