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2141  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does anyone still survive? on: December 27, 2022, 09:22:09 AM
I feel users in Altcoins section are declining because most of bounties are only pay with worthless token or scam, also they can't join a signature campaign that paid with Bitcoin because they don't receive any merit. Thanks to @theymos because his purpose to implement merit is do fight against spammers in this forum and it's work!

So it's good to see spammers are leave in this forum, but there's some high quality users left in this forum because of sick or passed away which make me sad, they're an asset in this forum.
The idea to create a worthless token from nothing, and then offering people to work for it, which has literally zero value, and make it worth something by the bounty hunters is the worst part. If bounty hunters work very well, then it may worth something so their work would worth something and they will get paid accordingly, if they work terribly then it was just created and cost the owner nothing.

I am not going to work hard for someone who has risked zero dollars while paying me, to work for them. I am sorry but either they offer something tangible and worth something, or they can work themselves to promote their own token, makes no sense, I could give you a billion tokens out of nowhere that worths nothing too.
2142  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 99% of People Will Lose Crypto in Self Custody on: December 27, 2022, 07:19:41 AM
I can't agree with that number. because 99% is too much. even those who use cold wallets actually most of them have sufficient knowledge about crypto.
I don't think this title thread is appropriate, maybe what is likely to be missing is the value of crypto. Even if they can lose crypto because it is stolen. But as long as they still own the crypto, the asset will not disappear what is happening right now is a drop in value in fiat or BTC depending on the desired pair.
 
Within a few months indeed the occurrence of FTX and LUNA made people paranoid. I think we need to be vigilant but not to be afraid. We just need to be disciplined. There are some people do take advantage of that to further make things worse. When you panic then they will take advantage. It could be that they deliberately made the price of Crypto drop in order to buy more.
Well, they "lose" it for themselves, not for the market. Which means that if you get bitcoin, put it somewhere "safe" and then can't go back in, the bitcoin will be there but you won't have access to it so you lost it. So, it is basically true but you have to take the word for what it is and what it could mean, some words could have multiple meanings and you need to reconsider the situation. At the end of the day, we are talking about a world where things are not as clear as black and white.

I personally believe that most of the coins are already in exchanges, 50%+ must be in exchanges, meaning if all exchanges got together, they could seriously hurt the market or help it all by themselves, that is a bigger issue.
2143  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Problem with mass adoption of Bitcoin on: December 27, 2022, 05:18:22 AM
Actually holders of these whales deserve the benefits, because they take a big risk, and there is no need to limit the ownership of each user and Bitcoin holder. And I think it's the market itself that adjusts this imbalance. the real problem of this mass Bitcoin adoption comes from Governments slowing the growth of Bitcoin, and this lack of awareness about Bitcoin knowledge is also a barrier to Bitcoin adoption.
Governments are part of Bitcoin adoption with each noise they make, each legislation they launch against Bitcoin. At the end, Bitcoin is strong and can not be killed and only grows bigger and have better adoption. When governments want to ban Bitcoin but failed, it helps more people know about Bitcoin. It is free marketing from governments for Bitcoin.
I feel like even a total 100% ban on crypto, including trading and even ownership, could still not kill bitcoin at all. I mean sure it could hurt it, wouldn't want that to happen if you asked me and I would rather see crypto flourish and grow bigger and El Salvador type of deals all around the world would make it so much bigger and I would rather have that.

But that doesn't mean that I would consider stop using bitcoin if my government stopped it. I mean the best thing to do right now is to promote it and tell our politicians to accept it and make it legal, but even if they ignore then I wouldn't stop, which proves that bitcoin is here forever.
2144  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin cycles, this is the cyclical minimum on: December 26, 2022, 10:19:31 PM
How wonderful if bitcoin reaches $200k in the next cycle. With that price, I assume bitcoin will become more valuable than the most valuable stock in the world which I believe is reasonable enough. Although the growth of stocks might also increase a lot by that time and some of them might reach $5 trillion or even more. But bitcoin by 2025 priced at around $4 trillion in market cap is huge. In order to achieve it, adoptions may need to happen, probably another country or more will adopt bitcoin as a legal currency.  
It would be pretty difficult but it could happen. What we need to remember is that when bitcoin goes up that much, usually that means we are going to see stocks go up as well. Like Apple is worth 3+ trillion and so forth type of deal.

This means if bitcoin reaches 200k, it would be possible to be the most valuable thing and more valuable than all companies, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for apple to be higher as well, that could happen too if the stock market goes up. However, as long as we are near the top that doesn't matter, it is important to keep bitcoin in the top 10 and as long as we can do that it's going to be fine.
2145  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin survived the Christmas market pressure on: December 26, 2022, 09:49:33 PM
We are at the 16K range for too long so it maybe a sign that we reached the bottom so if the right time comes then possibly next year the bull season may begin.
Don't be so quick to confirm it. You remember when bitcoin was at 18k-19k for a long time and people started to believe that we had bottomed and we were going to go up from here, and then the crash of FTX caused bitcoin to drop below $16k, making everyone's speculations and expectations completely wrong. Bitcoin has been above the $16k resistance for too long, but that doesn't mean we've finally bottomed out. Let's look at the outside situation, the economy, war, inflation... all are still negative so it's hard to expect that we have bottomed and the bull season will start from here.
We shouldn't consider it not going down anymore, but we shouldn't expect another FTX type of deal all the time neither. That happened and dropped the price and that's understandable but that doesn't mean that it is going to keep being like that forever neither, it would be pretty hard to keep it that way.

This is why I believe that we should be a bit more less expected of lower level stuff, could be a lot better in the long run. This is quite difficult to handle but we should be able to handle it in the long run. I personally do not expect another bottom because I am not expecting anything like FTX to happen again over and over, it would be pretty difficult.
2146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: December 25, 2022, 09:05:41 PM
At present, democracy is limited to paper only. The countries in Asia that talk more about democracy are less democratic. Politics is now not only in a specific situation. Politics today is not only rooted in every level of basic human needs. Now it has a tight control over the hub of human entertainment. Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are all countries whose cricket boards are completely controlled by politicians. That's not a problem either. But in a democratic country, when any decision is taken ignoring the people, there will be room for criticism.
It's not all about democracy it's all about system which is more important as we have in developed countries and in many other countries those are not near the democracy but going with strong system here in subcontinent culture is completely handled by few groups which are doing wrong things and holding major stakes which is giving them all power, and they are not bringing system or merit policies which are important, and we have only three cricket boards with strong system and fair policy ECB, CA and CNZ they are having the best things for their players and peoples.

All other boards and sports organizations are suffering badly due to ethical and political systems, and they are suffering into game as well because recently we have big dropped in South African quality with Sri Lanka is also suffering badly due to poor system West Indies is already near the end due to personal issues and having not merit policy and going with quota system.
2147  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is the vaccine against the CBDC virus on: December 23, 2022, 05:39:41 PM
CBDCs are indeed evil! With cash, we still had some certain degrees of anonymity. But with CBDC, that last amount of anonymity is gone as the government will have a bird's eye view on its citizens' finances. It will become extremely easy for the enforcement agencies to catch money launderers and tax evaders. But also, it will create multiple issues on a normal person's life. Fully digital economy is a highly risky proposition.

Bitcoin and other decentralised cryptocurrencies are definitely going to act as a vaccine to a centralised system where privacy doesn't matter anymore!
I would say it's not as terrible as you make it out to be. I do not mean to say that they are not going to use it to destroy your privacy, but imagine the regular situation we are in right now without CBDC, is it any different in government world? Think about it this way, you have majority of the world using banks, debit or credit cards, loans etc, which means it is already tracked, only thing that you won't be tracked is cash, which could still technically be tracked, but harder.

This means the same with CBDC, even bitcoin can be tracked, so only way would be moving it to privacy coins, if you want to, and it won't be tracked, or just use bitcoin, so get CBDC and turn that into bitcoin and if you are not worthy of tracking, they won't.
2148  Economy / Speculation / Re: The world is not doing well on: December 23, 2022, 01:26:35 PM
We've been in this kind of predicament before, and why we should be worry when we we're able to get past along the Covid-19 scare in 2020? The market has like -60% that time in just couple of days but we have bounce back and reaches all time high in 2021. So I don't think we should be shaken by the current events like wars or the FTX collapse, there will always be something to happen that is beyond our control that will affect the market. Nevertheless, the community will come through again no matter what the challenges is and we will see another all time high.
We cannot forget that phase. The 2019 market situation was really our toughest challenge and when we were able to step up to this moment (2022) of course the concern did not cross us who are still very confident in Bitcoin.

I'm not worried about Bitcoin at all. Instead, I have concerns about those who are still holding on to other types of crypto even though there have been several incidents that have made many people suffer losses such as in FTX. Even so, I still believe that they have enthusiasm for Bitcoin and still have a great desire to own large amounts of Bitcoin.
People will be facing bitcoin as a challenge no matter how many times it has proven to recover. I promise you, we will recover from this as usual, it will go up, and I mean go up a lot, maybe over 100k maybe even over 200k, and then it will have a crash again and people will doubt it again. You will say it has gone down and up even bigger 4-5 times now, why doubt it again* And people will still doubt it, then it will go up and go down again and people will doubt it again.

When it is your savings we are talking about a drop is not easy to accept and move on, it takes a lot of knowledge and confidence in what you invest into in order to make sure it will recover.
2149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin bottom prediction? on: December 23, 2022, 11:55:11 AM
it will always happen beyond the analysis of all those who are currently continuing to provide that information on the price of bitcoin. because no one will be able to provide an accurate analysis but only estimate it and of course all can accept that analysis or not.
but continuing to invest by buying in installments is of course a very positive thing, because we and all believe that in time bitcoin will repeat itself to reach a renewable ATH and usually after the halving period has passed.
even if next year when the world economic situation has not improved, it is certain that the price of bitcoin will be worse off than it is at this time, it might happen, but why worry about it because every purchase of bitcoin will increase in time. so there is no need to worry about whether or not it will decrease again next year. Continue to buy and store, so you will achieve profits in time.
I am pretty sure that no matter what happens to world economy, bitcoin will do a lot better. Why think like that? Because as a reaction bitcoin could be doing worse, and because bitcoin is doing worse there are companies in trouble that work within the crypto industry as well such as FTX bankrupting and all the bad news that has been coming out.

However, as the world gets used to the economy, we are going to have people adjust to new reality of the world and we are going to end up with something much bigger. I am not saying that people will have plenty of money to spend, but they will adjust their budgets more precise and it will not be a shock anymore.
2150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will The FED pivot? on: December 23, 2022, 10:04:51 AM
That is only for now but it was stated that the rates will increase the next time. Also, I think there is no way that fed rates will only go down. There are times where it will go down but there's also a time where it will go up again. It's still possible for some things to return to normal because not all things depend on the fed rates.

By the way, how can you say that 2024 is going to be a good thing for all? Is it because of the btc halving? But if the rates won't normalize, I think the price of BTC is still going to be affected but yeah a fall on the price of the cryptos shouldn't discourage us all. Rather it should give us a motivation to buy for more. Time will come that their value are going to recover and pump again.
Rates do not matter, because it means that the general economy would recover if the rates recover, and by 2024 I am pretty sure that the rates will be at a normal place, or even if it is high compared to past, we will at least get used to it by then.

However, none of that matters because when there is halving, bitcoin becomes more valuable, so even if the market is not recovered by then, it will still cause bitcoin to go up because it is now more valuable and the amount of bitcoin we mine per day will go down, meaning both less resources available but also higher price to make sure miners are happy. Both of those combined would make it go up no matter what type of market we are in, it will just take longer for it to show on the prices.
2151  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SBF, arrested! on: December 23, 2022, 09:28:22 AM
with her pleading guilty, all she has to do is act as witness to say SBF is the mastermind. instant judgement against SBF

if she was not a key holder and SBF was.(which seems to be whats being said by current CEO) then SBF is double screwed.

as he should be
As expected Caroline Ellison wanted to lighten her sentence and most probably he will point all the blame to SBF.  I believe with lots of news and rumors saying that Caroline is cooperating with FBI, there is no doubt that she will be considered one of the state witnesses against SBF.   I always thought that Caroline is just a figurehead of Alameda and that the real person behind it is SBF.  You can get a hint during Caroline's interview and videos before the FTX collapse.
This was both good and bad for the users though. It at least puts the spotlight on SBF and he has to prove his innocence now, instead of having any type of law where they would need to provide his guilt, now the ball on his court and he has to provide that he wasn't guilty.

I believe that we should be waiting for a response and maybe we would get a solution to his situation and this whole deal, but it could also mean that the defence will drag this a lot longer as well we have no idea. The best thing we could do right now would be making sure that we have all the details, and right ones instead of just blames, but lets not hold our breath about finding a solution just yet.

(I just heard from some unverified sources that SBF got $250M bail).
2152  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People who holds 1+ Bitcoin, how does it feel to hold in bear market? on: December 23, 2022, 08:21:31 AM
I believe anyone involved in the market has researched this, certainly everyone knows the history of bitcoin. Your advice, I am not saying they are useless but those things they can easily find on the internet. They know everything, but in my opinion, what a newbie needs most experiences, which no one can share and give advice. I was also a newbie and there is no better advice than to experience it myself. I want all newbies to experience this bear season, and they will learn their own lessons.
There is a real fact that bitcoin has been quite successful so far but that doesn't mean that we can't be careful about the current situation neither. We could both expect it to do well in the future, but we could also have some positive reactions to drops as well.

I personally made more buys during this period and I have some friends who made a lot more money from just selling at higher and made more money from buying lower levels. That is something not so confusing, it is a method that works and both of them could be great for everyone who is involved. Either buy more at lower and do DCA, or sell at the top and re-enter later on when it gets low.
2153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't buy altcoins because they are top altcoins on: December 23, 2022, 07:03:21 AM
Top altcoins are at the top consistently because they offer some value in them. And because they are already established, their price aren't that wobbly and moving all the time so the opportunities to make money on them short-term is already not there. You will have to invest on riskier altcoins that are relatively unknown or way behind the top list and hope for the best. In my experience, those alts that aren't at the top are usually the moneymakers for a certain time frame, and after that is over it's great to keep your funds at the top altcoins for the meantime and get some trickle of % per day—of course you'll only do this when that top alt is in the green.
The wobbly price may not be true at all times as we have seen from the past 1 year, because it could potentially be wobbly when the market is not doing well, but aside from that I have to say that it is clear the market is a lot better for the top names, much better than the ones we have at the bottom.

There are some low level ones that could give people a higher return but the reality is that we are not going to make a lot of money taking those risks consistently. We could do it once or twice time to time when we have money to spare, such as bull periods when we make a lot of profit, but it is not a sustainable way to make a profit.
2154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Dogecoin Dead ? on: December 23, 2022, 06:31:51 AM
dogecoin is still hanging good while Elon is still not CEO of twitter so what would be the reason for the fall if this back to normal mate as i don't see the logic at all? yes dogecoin might return to lower price but dying because of that seems to be irrelevant for now.
That was the fact, Dogecoin will keep its position as one of the top 10 coins in the market even without Elon Musk. Besides, Twitter has no market influence, some even consider this as not a reliable source of information. It definitely was not a factor that could bring Dogecoin out of our sight as I see it will keep striving despite the negative talks that we heard from others. Maybe we could think that its price will never grow but when it comes to sustainability, that seems possible.
I highly doubt that. There are a few that think like you but I find it highly emotional. There is no data or stat that sees doge as a good and legit project which could be in the top 10 for too long, it is a shitcoin that has been promoted a lot and liked by people for the hype and meme efforts but nothing more. I guarantee you that when the time comes doge will drop like no other and will not be remembered after a decade.

I understand the need for something that defy the logical arguments, there is a need and want for some anarchy in the markets that shows how unreal it works. Sort of like gamestop which should have been a bankrupted company because they suck, but people defied the markets with it and it survived. You think for long?
2155  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: December 22, 2022, 11:20:46 PM
Pakistan is a team that is stronger in the limited overs format, when compared to the test format. The case with New Zealand is just the opposite. They are one of the strongest test teams in the world right now and were the winners of the inaugural ICC World Test Championship. Pakistan will be having the home advantage and that may prove to be the deciding factor. The two test matches will be played in Karachi and Multan, where the surfaces are more conductive to spin bowling. And New Zealand doesn't have a quality spin bowler, ever since the retirement of Daniel Vettori.
This is main reason for their failure in test format mostly players are coming from the limited overs format, and they have no technique for playing into this format with their domestic set up is also never been ideal with too many changes as just few hours ago I watch new PCB chairman announces old departmental cricket is coming back which mean again many changes and few players will be out of frame with having no good approaches and parchi for staying into this system and mostly departmental teams having their own players which are also having not quality and good skills.

With sudden changes and arrive of New Zealand team here is surely interesting because most of the peoples feeling New Zealand will be weaker side and lost this series, but they must remember this was same feeling for the Goras as well, but they have historic win their historic series so here any prediction is not going to be good any result can happen.
2156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are you doing with your alt bags on: December 22, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
And if you do DCA for bitcoin, I think you can have a much better chance of making a profit because the benefits of BTC will be obvious when the bull market comes. While altcoins will not increase all of them and only certain altcoins will be able to increase. This makes us very careful if we want to do DCA in altcoins because an increase in altcoins may only occur in some altcoins like last year.

But investing in altcoins is indeed a very tempting thing to do because some of the altcoins can indeed increase and this is why many people are still speculating when choosing their altcoins. And they choose altcoins in the top position because, according to them, they will provide more opportunities to increase than the coins in the bottom position.
People are worried about bitcoin, and that is a big mistake. If they knew that bitcoin could go up and down a lot, and sometimes when it is down it may look like it's there for a long term, but in reality we just repeat the past.

You may not remember or maybe you will but others may not, in 2018 we didn't finish the year at 3.5k and hit the bottom early on, it was a season where 2018 is the year where the most altcoins had their previous ATH, so it started as bull, but then it lowered, and reached 6-7k range for bitcoin, it was only in November we had bitcoin cash vs bitcoin sv fight where the price dropped to 3.5k, and same timing as FTX and Binance deals, not a shocker. It just repeats itself, nothing more.
2157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why you should be very careful with alts on: December 22, 2022, 12:36:39 PM
Altcoins in a nutshell. Crypto is the perfect place for scammers since a lot of people can be considered new since the crypto scene is still pretty young. Not to mention that crypto is well known outside to be accessible even by younger people, unlike with say, stocks, lands, etc., which seem too complicated and can be considered as the playground of adults instead of young people.

Well, your best bet, if you want to enter the altcoin market, is to have a bunch of experience under your belt, and a lot of time to scrutinize a project. Otherwise, I'd just DCA Bitcoin really. It wouldn't bring as big of a profit as you can get in altcoins, but it's less risky compared to it, and no need to handle it since it's a plan to hold for the long term as well.
Being a newbie doesn't give anyone the right to be foolish enough to get scammed. If you are scammed in a techie way that is understandable, download metamask from somewhere wrong, or connect your metamask to a dangerous website etc etc, these are all tech related and it would be normal for a newbie to get hacked or scammed that way and lose their money.

However, if we are talking about some random person pm'ing you and offering you a great chance to make 10x return on your investment in a month or two, and you believe that it is true because they show you some screenshots as proof, and then they take your money and block you and leave? That is %100 your own fault.
2158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Edward Snowden is ready to become Twitter CEO for bitcoin pay on: December 22, 2022, 11:10:42 AM
In comparison to Elon, Snowden being in charge of Twitter would be a nightmare for many people in positions of power and holding security clearances in the USA government. For example, the are many people there who believe Social media owned by political adversaries is a threat to the national security (Tiktok is an usual case or this discussion).
Political adversary?? Man do you really think of him like that?

He exposed worldwide government surveillance by leaking a few classified papers and this is what he gets from the internet? Government harassment is more than enough for him. I'm sure you guys wouldn't like a new world order, so why this?

Snowden becoming Twitter CEO is perfect. The company is private, so no earnings calls and stuff like that (IIRC), and prior to Elon's buyout, Twitter was a national security nightmare - without Snowden.
The lack of vetting was the cause of Snowden being hated. Maybe you know this or maybe you are not aware but while unearthing the bribery and corruption of the people in power, he was also responsible for people who are spies in other nations. What do you think happens to Russian guy leaking information to US government? Or what happens when someone goes into protection program to hide from mafia gets their new ID public?

I have to say wikileaks had many things, but the biggest problem came from the fact that Snowden didn't vetted and considered who he would hurt by providing these leaks. 100% supportive if some congressman got payment from an oil company and then voted for more pollution, but when you hurt innocent people it becomes a trouble.
2159  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Very thankful for what bitcoin has done for me. on: December 21, 2022, 09:35:11 PM
It’s true that Bitcoins have changed many life completely. I mean for some it has become boom and for few it has become curse. Keeping the bad sentiments away, it’s really amazing to hear OP’s story that due to Bitcoins he is enjoying his work and working from the comfort of his home. Many of us hear treat Bitcoins as an asset, but here for the OP it’s the payment currency. I am sure that OP will be saving some of those Bitcoins and holding it to cash out at later period of time and possibly with a higher value. Keep it up OP. More success will surely knock your door.
It's really not an easy task to be patient during the period where it has gone down so much, of course it is a bad period to be in, not only it is harder to make money by trading, but it is also harder to find jobs right now as well, freelances and crypto workers are making much lesser amount of money, but the ones that stick right now could make a bigger network.

And that is the thing that matters the most, if you end up working hard then you could build a high network and get more people on your side and they can vouch for the good job you did for them when the market is bear, and you can profit with that during the bull run and make a big amount of money. Something you did as a "favour" for 500 bucks today, could be charged 5000 during bull.
2160  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predicted $16k by EOY in April on: December 21, 2022, 08:46:12 PM
Isn't it the same? 4 year halving and 4 year cycle? But no they won't go on forever but there will be a time where all the supply of btc have been mined out. A case that is happening in btc right now, won't possibly happen on any other coins because each of them are not the same. some Other coins can halved too but it wasn't exactly 4 years. It can be farther or shorter than that.

Those coins which supply is high, their halving period can also go a long way but it can't be forever because I believe all crytos can soon end. Nothing stays forever in this world. There may be times where btc move randomly and won't follow a pattern so it's always better to be versatile and have a plan-B.
Well not the exact same dates, but close enough. The halving was in 2016 and in 2020, whereas the biggest ATH we reached during those periods was in 2017 and 2021. Which goes to show you that it takes a year of going higher to make us reach that ATH price.

I obviously do care about the fact that we could buy before the halving and wait a bit more than a year and you could make a huge profit, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't end up with a big purchase anywhere during that year as well, it should be still giving us a big profit even if not the biggest. I am buying right now when it is the bear time, and in 2024 there will be a halving and by 2025 I would be in a lot of profit, that's my guess.
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