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3021  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT LIBERTYCOIN SCAM EXPOSED XLB on: May 27, 2014, 01:58:30 AM


hahahahahaha. I'll be staying even further away from XLB and iconic. What a joke.

Also - I am SO glad they cannot delete posts here.

What are you some new kind of stupid?  Tomorrow is Libertycoin Day and IE has promised to do a bunch of stuff. It's 10PM in New York on Memorial Day. And he still has a lot of those cards to mail out tomorrow. Do you honestly believe he has the time to waste that I have to be responding to this nonsense?
You really should try to put to some use your skull for once... wow.
3022  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT LIBERTYCOIN SCAM EXPOSED XLB on: May 27, 2014, 01:51:27 AM
24hash.com didn't payed, people behind it are thief, stoled all coins, this coin was a scam from the beginning.

Have you audited the blockchain? Where all the payments not made go?

If 24hash was a scam, how that proves that anyone in the dev team is involved? And that is quite a big "if" considering people is claiming that they got paid in numbers similar to those claiming the opposite.

Finally, the world of altos is filled with proven scams, why do you feel the need to denounce this one not even using your real handle? You understand your credibility is more than suspect because of it.

Is it The Black Hand?



If they have nothing to hide, why did they delete all post in regards to it in the Official thread?  Libertycoin originally stated only stupid post would be deleted but Iconic went delete crazy deleting anything that had an opinion that he/they did not agree with, including Real issues!  Great way to lose original supports, it's like a kick in the teeth.

And then there is Troiste, Iconics right hand man and probably one of the worst human beings on the planet.  I can't understand how people trust that guy to run a million dollar market cap!  One of the most unprofessional people I have ever met,  Do you think offering escorts is a good way to promote Liberty to your family and friends on Liberty day?

Not sure why you think I am the Black hand I have stated that I was just a little guy who got screwed out of my Liberty coin.  That led me to researching and surprisingly most of it cannot be found in the official thread because it has been deleted.  

Lastly I have already received a ton of PM from XLB fan boys and brand new accounts, calling me every name under the sun.  I am sure half of them are probably Troiste but it would be a great way to ruin a Sr. Account. You can also say that maybe its not true but if you ask yourself the questions at the bottom of my original post, they have never been answered only called FUD and moved on.  That's why a few people at least dumped because they see it for what it is.  Some XLB are calling Liberty Bitcoin 3.0 and selling this image when its a clone of Hackcoin.  

Now please ask yourself these questions:

If the coin code is copy and paste, of badger/hack which is a copy paste of nova which is a copy paste of peercoin how will this coin succeed?
Why is the press releases and paper wallets copy and paste?
How can you claim it was a fair launch when it didn't even last 4 days? (Think bitcoin/litecoin/peercoin/darkcoin how long have they been mined)
Why did they delete everybody's post who had coins stolen from the multi-pool?
How is it legal to offer free escorts when it may be illegal in their jurisdiction?
What are you using to implement anonymous technology?  
Who is doing it for a 2 btc bounty when other coins couldn't find anybody to do it for under 50 btc?
Why does Iconicexpert have access to the dev account, since he is not a developer? (Most devs will simply let the community know who is the marketing direct, not give them access to their personal account)
Why is there no white paper, is it just fedoras mixer and an encrypted block chain?
what are the "unique properties" as  you state that Liberty coin has unique properties?
What new an exciting payment methods not covered by other payment systems does it offer since you make that claim?
Why do you censor peoples liberty in the official thread?  (Taking away liberty from libertycoin)

Just this once I will answer some of your questions NOT to the best of my ability, but enough to clear some air maybe. Just this one because I use my handle, the only one I have, while you are a sock puppet, just to make it clear.
Alright, I will reply to some of your points once since you state you were buying as people sold, but now you can't say that nobody informed you!

Not only the code is copy paste, like the wallet (or close enough, anyway) but it is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that it is. Nobody has lied about that from the get go. Specifically Iconic posted clearly the reason why he was joining, the reasons: The name -I doubt you have the capacity to value what's in a name, but a lot is-, and the enormous market opportunity it presented. Not the code. Not the innovations. Just the name, basically. Then he created a very nice logo. And then he made a few promises. It is wayh too soon to believe or disbelieve those promises. A lot of people do.
If it is Public Knowledge how come in the promo material they are using for marketing states Liberty coin as having unique properties and having exciting payment methods not covered by other payment systems.  Its false advertising and does that equal Bitcoin 3.0 because they changed the name of hackcoin?  I know the value of a name, but just because I call my Nissan a Bentley it doesn't change the fact that its still a Nissan.  He also made statements about goals that were to be accomplished and they were time sensitive and deadlines were not met; Making him a liar.
Actually what it makes is you very poor at establishing similarities. A car brand is associated with performance and a prestige that comes from many years and accomplishments... nothing to do with cryptos at all. Besides, the deadlines are invented by you, never existed and no promises were made. IF they would have been, it would be the dev failing those deadlines, not IE. But I'll give you a deadline close enough: Tomorrow, in the US, but worldwide the event, two important and promised (by IE) innovative features, are being released... in keeping with the promises of innovation and singularity. Of course you will find a way to try to taint those too. Good luck with that!

Now, the most important thing is that you claim that, because you were scammed by 24 Hash, there was a conspiracy behind it. But you prove nothing of that short. That's absurd hearsay, or FUD as it were. If it is true and the devs were in cahoots with 24Hash, you will need to prove it, sorry.
Iconic has a history of making the same claims without as much circumstantial evidence and yet you seem to believe the guy has god like powers when it comes to marketing.
Because the marketing wisdom of IE has been corroborated and accepted by everyone, even his most redundant enemies and people that dislike, like me, some of his methods. No one questions his marketing abilities, no one.

You don't know who the dev is, but most people with half a brain does. I know his handle, his deeds -and there are many, of all kinds- and also his real name, nationality and geographical location. I had to investigate quite heavily to come up with the same referred to you "don" of BC and it's Black Hand. I have found no evidence whatsoever, so far, of any organized group acting in cahoots with the dev of Libertycoin. Furthermore, the biggest wallet in XLB has just about 400k coins... yes you have charged that it has been spread in hundreds of wallets, that's hard to believe and relatively easy to demonstrate soon enough in the future if the community so decides . In any case, just conjecture on your part.
How would you know what I know?  Also you cannot see the amount of coins that people keep stashed on exchanges.  It would surprise you!  You also know that Iconic expert refuses to share even one of his many wallet balance as he doesn't want anybody in the community to see if he is dumping or not.
You posted yourself that no one knows who the dev is Huh? No it would not surprise me to know the amount of coins stashed at exchanges because, well, there's the blockchain, you see. You can see what is where. And there's no more than 450k stashed on ANY wallet, including those at the exchanges.

All those questions have a single answer: Iconic Expert. He has taken the FULL responsibility for those things. No need to look anywhere else. If he doesn't deliver, his reputation will be ruined. Fair enough? As you and other reading this well know, I don't like the guy personally and find some of his ideas preposterous, dangerous and counter-productive. And I find Troiste probably the individual most lacking class under the stars, but, a) IE has a lot of ideas and some of them with a lot of merit... enough to propel BC to 95 and more than enough to have taken XLB to 20 in 10 days. Those are facts whether you like the guy or not. As for Troiste, by luck or whatever, he FOUND Libertycoin. To Caesar what is Caesar's. I deplore as much as anyone the hookers idea that I have termed "Soepkip pants of XLB" myself. What's true is true. End of that story.
I can't believe you actually give the guy the entire credit for the blackcoin run to 95, they had a massive community a talented dev and a heap of other people working on it as well,  Also almost every single coin gets pumped at one time or another so correlation isn't always causation.
So, to sum it up, unless you prove the 24 hash scam had anything to do with the devs of XLB, I am going to call that what it is: Bullshit.
ALL THE REST of your questions, have the same answer: Iconic Expert. For good, bad or in-between. Believe or do not believe, up to you. He IS Liberty coin. He has publicly assumed that responsibility.
Your answer sounds like Those questions are to hard/bad for Libertycoin so I am just going to say IE
You mistake "hard" with "stupid"... in keeping with your shortcomings about establishing similarities. It's meant to read that if IE doesn't deliver on those things, like he is delivering in a few hours, it will be his considerable prestige on the line. But make no mistake about it -read them aloud for reassurance- they are stupid, very stupid considerations/questions.

Now, keep the FUD if you like, but there's nothing tangible on your side of the net. Sorry but, like everyone else, you will need to wait to be able to colled shit. Otherwise, just a handle and an individual that everyone knows who he is and where he lives.

I hope I have satisfactorily answered all your questions.
Well your answer wasn't a real answer so no

Edit to add: The charge about only 3.5 days initial PoW mining, what do you expect? only 16.5 million coins. When they run out, they run out. It depends on the hashing power thrown at it, you should know that...
Hahaha what a comedian, Its called block reward and block time; you cant think of one coin that has been going since 09 hmmm only 12.9 million coins mined so far.  Its an instant mine, designed so that if a coin takes off a few people get rich and is the bread and butter of shit pump and dump clone coins
There's humor in it, of course. I repeat: Libertycoin is IE's coin as far as I am concerned. Before he came on board, I can only assume -and you are not helping since you dont seem to be able to audit the blockchain- reasons for some of the circumstances, based on knowledge of the dev and some of his circumstances. But it is an assumption... as valid -actually considerably more so- as your unsubstantiated charges and extrapolations that have been contested by more people than that who has support them.

Are we assuming IE is smart here? Just saying, any expert trader/manipulator do not put their coins in one wallet, even in an exchange. that would be uber stupid.

Oh I don't know about smarts. Or about honesty. But let me pose a question to you and you decide: If your life would depend on it, who would you trust, a nerd reject that at 27 still lived with his parents for free rent and couldn't buy himself a computer or a successful businessman that ALSO has raised and supports a nice family?

Then again, are we assuming you are smart here?
3023  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 27, 2014, 01:45:56 AM
What a pity that all of these "pearls" are being deleted. They are so self explanatory... it's like someone blowing his brains out to punish someone they hate...
And, of course, the ones with the money, speaking with their BTC and bringing back the coin's price where it belongs... pretty funny indeed.
3024  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 27, 2014, 12:41:30 AM
Shoutout:

alty
africanos
Libertycoin
LibertycoinDev
icanprogram
tranzium
fayoling
Gibcity_

Between the eight of this group and the 8 BTC bounty, the wallet implementation can done. Can we sort out a project lead on this and apply a firm resolution to have this impelemented in the wallet within one week? I think it's possible and would send a great and positive message to the bounty contributors in ensuring some more concrete progress on the wallet implementation.

Thanks!

africanos = HardwarePal. HardwarePal was here promoting another coin and he was one of the individuals responsible for the dump earlier.

Besides this "africanos" is one of the stauncher ass-lickers of the BC ITC Black Hand gangsters...

Well if he doesn't want to help, that's his perogative. But he was around when icanprogram was commissioned to do this work with the help of tranzium and fayoling. Their code is done, but we need to take the next step and have full integration; that's where icanprogram comes back in to play and potentially others. I'm throwing it out there as a rally cry to whomever really wants this anon in the wallet ASAP; this is our path forward.


Color me skeptical then but I will not trust any of the ass-lickers choir boys at BC until they have proven the legitimacy of their interest. Same goes too for any new handles that I will take as fakes and sock puppets of the Black Hand. If they are legit they'll have no trouble proving it.

And while time is of essence I believe Iconic has those bases covered with or without the dev on  board so, since so far he has delivered, there's no reason to venture outside, is there?
3025  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 27, 2014, 12:33:55 AM
Shoutout:

alty
africanos
Libertycoin
LibertycoinDev
icanprogram
tranzium
fayoling
Gibcity_

Between the eight of this group and the 8 BTC bounty, the wallet implementation can done. Can we sort out a project lead on this and apply a firm resolution to have this impelemented in the wallet within one week? I think it's possible and would send a great and positive message to the bounty contributors in ensuring some more concrete progress on the wallet implementation.

Thanks!

africanos = HardwarePal. HardwarePal was here promoting another coin and he was one of the individuals responsible for the dump earlier.

Besides this "africanos" is one of the stauncher ass-lickers of the BC ITC Black Hand gangsters... which doesn't necessarily means he is not in XLB too but trust him with anything here would be equal to trusting a a pyromaniac with a box of matches.
3026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT LIBERTYCOIN SCAM EXPOSED XLB on: May 26, 2014, 11:32:33 PM
24hash.com didn't payed, people behind it are thief, stoled all coins, this coin was a scam from the beginning.

Have you audited the blockchain? Where all the payments not made go?

If 24hash was a scam, how that proves that anyone in the dev team is involved? And that is quite a big "if" considering people is claiming that they got paid in numbers similar to those claiming the opposite.

Finally, the world of altos is filled with proven scams, why do you feel the need to denounce this one not even using your real handle? You understand your credibility is more than suspect because of it.

Is it The Black Hand?



If they have nothing to hide, why did they delete all post in regards to it in the Official thread?  Libertycoin originally stated only stupid post would be deleted but Iconic went delete crazy deleting anything that had an opinion that he/they did not agree with, including Real issues!  Great way to lose original supports, it's like a kick in the teeth.

And then there is Troiste, Iconics right hand man and probably one of the worst human beings on the planet.  I can't understand how people trust that guy to run a million dollar market cap!  One of the most unprofessional people I have ever met,  Do you think offering escorts is a good way to promote Liberty to your family and friends on Liberty day?

Not sure why you think I am the Black hand I have stated that I was just a little guy who got screwed out of my Liberty coin.  That led me to researching and surprisingly most of it cannot be found in the official thread because it has been deleted.  

Lastly I have already received a ton of PM from XLB fan boys and brand new accounts, calling me every name under the sun.  I am sure half of them are probably Troiste but it would be a great way to ruin a Sr. Account. You can also say that maybe its not true but if you ask yourself the questions at the bottom of my original post, they have never been answered only called FUD and moved on.  That's why a few people at least dumped because they see it for what it is.  Some XLB are calling Liberty Bitcoin 3.0 and selling this image when its a clone of Hackcoin.  

Now please ask yourself these questions:

If the coin code is copy and paste, of badger/hack which is a copy paste of nova which is a copy paste of peercoin how will this coin succeed?
Why is the press releases and paper wallets copy and paste?
How can you claim it was a fair launch when it didn't even last 4 days? (Think bitcoin/litecoin/peercoin/darkcoin how long have they been mined)
Why did they delete everybody's post who had coins stolen from the multi-pool?
How is it legal to offer free escorts when it may be illegal in their jurisdiction?
What are you using to implement anonymous technology?  
Who is doing it for a 2 btc bounty when other coins couldn't find anybody to do it for under 50 btc?
Why does Iconicexpert have access to the dev account, since he is not a developer? (Most devs will simply let the community know who is the marketing direct, not give them access to their personal account)
Why is there no white paper, is it just fedoras mixer and an encrypted block chain?
what are the "unique properties" as  you state that Liberty coin has unique properties?
What new an exciting payment methods not covered by other payment systems does it offer since you make that claim?
Why do you censor peoples liberty in the official thread?  (Taking away liberty from libertycoin)

Just this once I will answer some of your questions NOT to the best of my ability, but enough to clear some air maybe. Just this one because I use my handle, the only one I have, while you are a sock puppet, just to make it clear.
Alright, I will reply to some of your points once since you state you were buying as people sold, but now you can't say that nobody informed you!

Not only the code is copy paste, like the wallet (or close enough, anyway) but it is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that it is. Nobody has lied about that from the get go. Specifically Iconic posted clearly the reason why he was joining, the reasons: The name -I doubt you have the capacity to value what's in a name, but a lot is-, and the enormous market opportunity it presented. Not the code. Not the innovations. Just the name, basically. Then he created a very nice logo. And then he made a few promises. It is wayh too soon to believe or disbelieve those promises. A lot of people do.
If it is Public Knowledge how come in the promo material they are using for marketing states Liberty coin as having unique properties and having exciting payment methods not covered by other payment systems.  Its false advertising and does that equal Bitcoin 3.0 because they changed the name of hackcoin?  I know the value of a name, but just because I call my Nissan a Bentley it doesn't change the fact that its still a Nissan.  He also made statements about goals that were to be accomplished and they were time sensitive and deadlines were not met; Making him a liar.
Actually what it makes is you very poor at establishing similarities. A car brand is associated with performance and a prestige that comes from many years and accomplishments... nothing to do with cryptos at all. Besides, the deadlines are invented by you, never existed and no promises were made. IF they would have been, it would be the dev failing those deadlines, not IE. But I'll give you a deadline close enough: Tomorrow, in the US, but worldwide the event, two important and promised (by IE) innovative features, are being released... in keeping with the promises of innovation and singularity. Of course you will find a way to try to taint those too. Good luck with that!

Now, the most important thing is that you claim that, because you were scammed by 24 Hash, there was a conspiracy behind it. But you prove nothing of that short. That's absurd hearsay, or FUD as it were. If it is true and the devs were in cahoots with 24Hash, you will need to prove it, sorry.
Iconic has a history of making the same claims without as much circumstantial evidence and yet you seem to believe the guy has god like powers when it comes to marketing.
Because the marketing wisdom of IE has been corroborated and accepted by everyone, even his most redundant enemies and people that dislike, like me, some of his methods. No one questions his marketing abilities, no one.

You don't know who the dev is, but most people with half a brain does. I know his handle, his deeds -and there are many, of all kinds- and also his real name, nationality and geographical location. I had to investigate quite heavily to come up with the same referred to you "don" of BC and it's Black Hand. I have found no evidence whatsoever, so far, of any organized group acting in cahoots with the dev of Libertycoin. Furthermore, the biggest wallet in XLB has just about 400k coins... yes you have charged that it has been spread in hundreds of wallets, that's hard to believe and relatively easy to demonstrate soon enough in the future if the community so decides . In any case, just conjecture on your part.
How would you know what I know?  Also you cannot see the amount of coins that people keep stashed on exchanges.  It would surprise you!  You also know that Iconic expert refuses to share even one of his many wallet balance as he doesn't want anybody in the community to see if he is dumping or not.
You posted yourself that no one knows who the dev is Huh? No it would not surprise me to know the amount of coins stashed at exchanges because, well, there's the blockchain, you see. You can see what is where. And there's no more than 450k stashed on ANY wallet, including those at the exchanges.

All those questions have a single answer: Iconic Expert. He has taken the FULL responsibility for those things. No need to look anywhere else. If he doesn't deliver, his reputation will be ruined. Fair enough? As you and other reading this well know, I don't like the guy personally and find some of his ideas preposterous, dangerous and counter-productive. And I find Troiste probably the individual most lacking class under the stars, but, a) IE has a lot of ideas and some of them with a lot of merit... enough to propel BC to 95 and more than enough to have taken XLB to 20 in 10 days. Those are facts whether you like the guy or not. As for Troiste, by luck or whatever, he FOUND Libertycoin. To Caesar what is Caesar's. I deplore as much as anyone the hookers idea that I have termed "Soepkip pants of XLB" myself. What's true is true. End of that story.
I can't believe you actually give the guy the entire credit for the blackcoin run to 95, they had a massive community a talented dev and a heap of other people working on it as well,  Also almost every single coin gets pumped at one time or another so correlation isn't always causation.
So, to sum it up, unless you prove the 24 hash scam had anything to do with the devs of XLB, I am going to call that what it is: Bullshit.
ALL THE REST of your questions, have the same answer: Iconic Expert. For good, bad or in-between. Believe or do not believe, up to you. He IS Liberty coin. He has publicly assumed that responsibility.
Your answer sounds like Those questions are to hard/bad for Libertycoin so I am just going to say IE
You mistake "hard" with "stupid"... in keeping with your shortcomings about establishing similarities. It's meant to read that if IE doesn't deliver on those things, like he is delivering in a few hours, it will be his considerable prestige on the line. But make no mistake about it -read them aloud for reassurance- they are stupid, very stupid considerations/questions.

Now, keep the FUD if you like, but there's nothing tangible on your side of the net. Sorry but, like everyone else, you will need to wait to be able to colled shit. Otherwise, just a handle and an individual that everyone knows who he is and where he lives.

I hope I have satisfactorily answered all your questions.
Well your answer wasn't a real answer so no

Edit to add: The charge about only 3.5 days initial PoW mining, what do you expect? only 16.5 million coins. When they run out, they run out. It depends on the hashing power thrown at it, you should know that...
Hahaha what a comedian, Its called block reward and block time; you cant think of one coin that has been going since 09 hmmm only 12.9 million coins mined so far.  Its an instant mine, designed so that if a coin takes off a few people get rich and is the bread and butter of shit pump and dump clone coins
There's humor in it, of course. I repeat: Libertycoin is IE's coin as far as I am concerned. Before he came on board, I can only assume -and you are not helping since you dont seem to be able to audit the blockchain- reasons for some of the circumstances, based on knowledge of the dev and some of his circumstances. But it is an assumption... as valid -actually considerably more so- as your unsubstantiated charges and extrapolations that have been contested by more people than that who has support them.
3027  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 11:06:39 PM

Yes, that's the one.

What did you mean by no losers then? I bolded that part. I thought you were praising XLB in that post when I read it. Then today you are all "like this."

I don't know what you mean by "like this"... I have posted that I have been buying all through the dump (apparently from Wizzfarm, allegedly). Other than your own perception, there's no "like this". But I have contended, from the first page, the censorship is counter-productive as was clearly demonstrated in the BC forum and now, on this one too. That doesn't mean I have lost faith in IE (specially after he assumed total responsibility) or XLB. The opposite is true. I have made a proposal that I believe would help the coin progress enormously, but it appears people are not for it. No worries. The dumping here is not of the proportions and sustainability of the one taken place in BC, so I will remain on board as long as IE assumes the total responsibility. As far as I am concerned, this is HIS coin for all intents and purposes. I do believe, as written, there will only be winners in it. But it could be faster, it could be bigger, it could be better.
That, and nothing else, is the purpose of all my posts on this boards and others.... including debunking the "charges" in that other one that just caused the price to tank 50% in half an hour.
3028  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 10:51:16 PM
NO LOSERS, JUST OPPORTINITIES LOST

Most of us here are invested to some degree in the near –or not so near- term future of Libertycoin. And most of us are “veterans” of several months trading, investing, etc. in alt coins. For the most part, most of us agree that, like in most things in life, in order to be winners, in altos, there has to be losers. I have always hated that “foregone conclusion” because, well, it doesn’t have to be true. Not at all. We all can be winners and no one must be a loser. It is not imperative that there have to be bagholders whose investment have been decimated in order to be big winners. Case in point: Libertycoin.

With just over 2 weeks trading, this coin has achieved unimaginable success and those early to the party, like Troiste, are deservedly sitting on verry significant unrealized (and maybe some realized ones) gains. Those are the big winners, of course. But many of the rest of us bought in the 5k’s, 10k’s etc and traded for very high profits and still sit on nice positions that, even if deposited at Cryptsy,  are staking already that nice pittance (for now) that comes with the territory.

Libertycoin is trading currently around 15,000 satoshis and I don’t believe there are many reading this that have much doubts about the big gains that we are facing straight ahead. I don’t want to put a figure or a percentage as a target but  it is hard to imagine that Libertycoin won’t  pass in market cap the likes of Blackcoin or Mastercoin in the very near future… well, if that is to happen, we are looking at a quick 11-15-bagger, even at the current rather deflated prices.

It can be a life changer for many of us if we really grab the opportunity.

But, good as it sounds an 11 to 15-bagger or better, that would be only the beginning. No mass adoption, no mainstream use, not even top dog in crypto, just a run-of-the mill Blackcoin-like success (at the deflated price). If Libertycoin were to reach some level of penetration in the real world, then the numbers would go instantly or near-instantly stratospheric with  many more “baggers’'than 11 to 15.  Many, many, MANY more. And that's not even cointing what =to me at least- is an inevitable resurgence in the price of Bitcoin itself, already seemingly in progress after months of downtrend that, again in my opinion, will take the oldest cryto above the $1,000 mark by August or earlier. An increase of such magnitude would, of course, reflect nicely in the price of Libertycoin, on top of everything else.

Now ask yourself this: Which other coin out there present’s you with such an opportunity?

I just wanted to bring this home for now. And yes, of course, some of us will be quite content cashing in along the way, that goes with the territory. But, remember, there will be NO LOSERS in Libertycoin. Just winners.

And those who chose to let the opportunity of their lifetime, go. And even them did it after reaping significant profits before jumping ship.


You mean this post?

Yes, that's the one.
3029  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 10:42:04 PM
stuff

Lets give you some credit and say the conspiracy theories are true. In that case, why don't you start posting your own wallet information and start this Honor list you are talking about.

I wouldn't have suggested in any other way, but you seem to have a problem reading because I posted (and I repeat) that I have 20k in one account and 7759 an d change in another (I added 5k later to those totals, as it happened while I was posting). I also posted that my desktop wallet (EWindows) does not work, so I don't have a wallet. You want me to post screen shots of those tow accounts in the exchanges, Cryptsy and Mintpal? I wouldn't havve any problem whatsoever with that. And see absolutely no reason for anyone not to want to state what the hold and in what wallet.

But, apparently, as Brammien has posted, it isn't going to happen. Fine by me. But that's allowing that the dumpers dump. Simple as that.

And there's no conspiracy theory on my part here, not yet. I actually doubt there are any conspiracies, simply some people cashing in, perhaps. Which is ok and legitimate, I don't have any problem with that either. But if there's something else, either going on now or in the future, the HONOR LIST would be a very useful tool to identify it. That's the only reason I proposed it and it's only purpose.

Oh and no need to give me anything, credit or otherwise. I only post truths. Do with it whatever you want.

If I sound a bit ticked off it is because you sound confrontational, so I respond in kind. Either we learn to communicate like educated people of we are going to have more and more fireworks.
3030  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 10:30:41 PM
How does everyone is guilty until proven innocent approach help the brand and cause of Libertycoin? If people don't post their wallet address and balance so many assumptions are made. Either they are a crook, scammer, or if their wallet amount is very small then their voice is suspect.

I'm truly not trying to start nor encourage a fight, but I'm not sure how that approach helps.

I'm not a fan of censorship, however, in the world of cryptocurrency forums I can understand the reason behind it. How can allowing people (and I'm speaking only of people who have no vested interest, not those who are asking legitimate questions) to post and cause undo concern to members of the community help the brand and cause of Libertycoin? There are some people, not all, who may have a motive just to make Libertycoin fall.

I tend to think barabbas is a very clever troll. He's done same thing in BC thread, comes out in support, says things like he's behind coin then does really brings in the trolling.

His approach is very down talking and uppity. I don't like his attitude, nor do I think he's really invested.

If he is, and he's not trolling, he's just one to like to be right and start confrontations. I think it must amuse him some why. the effort and lengths of his posts, and time set aside to do so, could be used to raise value of coin, but instead he's uber critical of everything. I don't know what to honestly think of you barabbas, but can you be positive for once.

If you didn't constantly bring up what's wrong, or come out like a know it all, maybe people would listen more. You obviously smart man, so use this talent to help this coin, instead of creating FUD and splinting community.

What you say has no way to be proven, so until you have proof, please stop. It's just FUD until there is something substantial you can prove to us. Posting wallets isn't gonna happen. Maybe you can write an article or something constructive and proof to us your not trolling.

I already did that. Yesterday. Best ever written about any coin, if I can say so myself. It's posted here. Yesterday.

Does that deny that one wallet dumped 451,000 XLB 30 hours ago? i did not think so...

For your information -although I have posted extensively before- I was enthusiastic about BC at first.  And invested in it accordingly. Until I discovered (because they posted it publicly) that the Black Hand was operating inside. Naturally, I turned around. You -obviously- call that "trolling". You choice, of course.
3031  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 10:22:40 PM
How does everyone is guilty until proven innocent approach help the brand and cause of Libertycoin? If people don't post their wallet address and balance so many assumptions are made. Either they are a crook, scammer, or if their wallet amount is very small then their voice is suspect.

I'm truly not trying to start nor encourage a fight, but I'm not sure how that approach helps.

I'm not a fan of censorship, however, in the world of cryptocurrency forums I can understand the reason behind it. How can allowing people (and I'm speaking only of people who have no vested interest, not those who are asking legitimate questions) to post and cause undo concern to members of the community help the brand and cause of Libertycoin? There are some people, not all, who may have a motive just to make Libertycoin fall.

I thought this was quite clear: It is VOLUNTARY. The HONOR LIST. VOLUNTARY. If you are a fat wallet and you don't join, yes you become suspect. Sorry. In the real world, that is called DISCLOSURE. And it is enforced by law. You want to get to be mainstreams, play by mainstream rules. Only here, you get to remain anonymous. Best of both worlds. No strings attached, no negatives. Only positives out of it. I hope this clarifies. If not, please don't hesitate to ask.

As we all have just seen, censorship is counter productive. Because you cannot exercise it. They tried and failed at BC. Iconic and the dev are doing it here and you just witnessed what happened a few minutes ago. This is the internet and you cannot silence anyone. If you don't allow it here, they will come out in other places. More damaging too, because here you can easily counter illegitimate arguments, identify sock puppet accounts, etc. The innuendo spread over troll boxes, social networks and other threads, much more difficult. And the effects, as you have witnessed, are devastating, much more so than if you allow dissenting voices to be countered right here by the interested AND INFORMED parties.

Censorship is rightfully associated with having something to hide. That's why it is 100% counter-productive.



But are you still talking? You come here posting a big post saying that you are going to investigate LibertyCoin and you are going to discover bad things and that its going to hurt LibertyCoin. UNLESS we follow your rules?Huh? What do you expect, you want us all to say "Yes my savior, show us the light, give us your rules and we will follow".

F*** OFF

When I said lets move along, I meant, I move along here, and you move along with your BC friends, got it?

Piss off please

Oh I will be here for a while, sorry.
I expect AND DEMAND that things are done right.

For your own perception, haven't you realized yet that insulting on the internet is the worst form of cowardice and ONLY affects the insulting party?

The End.
3032  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT LIBERTYCOIN SCAM EXPOSED XLB on: May 26, 2014, 10:11:57 PM
24hash.com didn't payed, people behind it are thief, stoled all coins, this coin was a scam from the beginning.

Have you audited the blockchain? Where all the payments not made go?

If 24hash was a scam, how that proves that anyone in the dev team is involved? And that is quite a big "if" considering people is claiming that they got paid in numbers similar to those claiming the opposite.

Finally, the world of altos is filled with proven scams, why do you feel the need to denounce this one not even using your real handle? You understand your credibility is more than suspect because of it.

Is it The Black Hand?



If they have nothing to hide, why did they delete all post in regards to it in the Official thread?  Libertycoin originally stated only stupid post would be deleted but Iconic went delete crazy deleting anything that had an opinion that he/they did not agree with, including Real issues!  Great way to lose original supports, it's like a kick in the teeth.

And then there is Troiste, Iconics right hand man and probably one of the worst human beings on the planet.  I can't understand how people trust that guy to run a million dollar market cap!  One of the most unprofessional people I have ever met,  Do you think offering escorts is a good way to promote Liberty to your family and friends on Liberty day?

Not sure why you think I am the Black hand I have stated that I was just a little guy who got screwed out of my Liberty coin.  That led me to researching and surprisingly most of it cannot be found in the official thread because it has been deleted.  

Lastly I have already received a ton of PM from XLB fan boys and brand new accounts, calling me every name under the sun.  I am sure half of them are probably Troiste but it would be a great way to ruin a Sr. Account. You can also say that maybe its not true but if you ask yourself the questions at the bottom of my original post, they have never been answered only called FUD and moved on.  That's why a few people at least dumped because they see it for what it is.  Some XLB are calling Liberty Bitcoin 3.0 and selling this image when its a clone of Hackcoin.  

Now please ask yourself these questions:

If the coin code is copy and paste, of badger/hack which is a copy paste of nova which is a copy paste of peercoin how will this coin succeed?
Why is the press releases and paper wallets copy and paste?
How can you claim it was a fair launch when it didn't even last 4 days? (Think bitcoin/litecoin/peercoin/darkcoin how long have they been mined)
Why did they delete everybody's post who had coins stolen from the multi-pool?
How is it legal to offer free escorts when it may be illegal in their jurisdiction?
What are you using to implement anonymous technology?  
Who is doing it for a 2 btc bounty when other coins couldn't find anybody to do it for under 50 btc?
Why does Iconicexpert have access to the dev account, since he is not a developer? (Most devs will simply let the community know who is the marketing direct, not give them access to their personal account)
Why is there no white paper, is it just fedoras mixer and an encrypted block chain?
what are the "unique properties" as  you state that Liberty coin has unique properties?
What new an exciting payment methods not covered by other payment systems does it offer since you make that claim?
Why do you censor peoples liberty in the official thread?  (Taking away liberty from libertycoin)

Just this once I will answer some of your questions NOT to the best of my ability, but enough to clear some air maybe. Just this one because I use my handle, the only one I have, while you are a sock puppet, just to make it clear.

Not only the code is copy paste, like the wallet (or close enough, anyway) but it is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that it is. Nobody has lied about that from the get go. Specifically Iconic posted clearly the reason why he was joining, the reasons: The name -I doubt you have the capacity to value what's in a name, but a lot is-, and the enormous market opportunity it presented. Not the code. Not the innovations. Just the name, basically. Then he created a very nice logo. And then he made a few promises. It is wayh too soon to believe or disbelieve those promises. A lot of people do.

Now, the most important thing is that you claim that, because you were scammed by 24 Hash, there was a conspiracy behind it. But you prove nothing of that short. That's absurd hearsay, or FUD as it were. If it is true and the devs were in cahoots with 24Hash, you will need to prove it, sorry.

You don't know who the dev is, but most people with half a brain does. I know his handle, his deeds -and there are many, of all kinds- and also his real name, nationality and geographical location. I had to investigate quite heavily to come up with the same referred to you "don" of BC and it's Black Hand. I have found no evidence whatsoever, so far, of any organized group acting in cahoots with the dev of Libertycoin. Furthermore, the biggest wallet in XLB has just about 400k coins... yes you have charged that it has been spread in hundreds of wallets, that's hard to believe and relatively easy to demonstrate soon enough in the future if the community so decides . In any case, just conjecture on your part.

All those questions have a single answer: Iconic Expert. He has taken the FULL responsibility for those things. No need to look anywhere else. If he doesn't deliver, his reputation will be ruined. Fair enough? As you and other reading this well know, I don't like the guy personally and find some of his ideas preposterous, dangerous and counter-productive. And I find Troiste probably the individual most lacking class under the stars, but, a) IE has a lot of ideas and some of them with a lot of merit... enough to propel BC to 95 and more than enough to have taken XLB to 20 in 10 days. Those are facts whether you like the guy or not. As for Troiste, by luck or whatever, he FOUND Libertycoin. To Caesar what is Caesar's. I deplore as much as anyone the hookers idea that I have termed "Soepkip pants of XLB" myself. What's true is true. End of that story.

So, to sum it up, unless you prove the 24 hash scam had anything to do with the devs of XLB, I am going to call that what it is: Bullshit.
ALL THE REST of your questions, have the same answer: Iconic Expert. For good, bad or in-between. Believe or do not believe, up to you. He IS Liberty coin. He has publicly assumed that responsibility.

Now, keep the FUD if you like, but there's nothing tangible on your side of the net. Sorry but, like everyone else, you will need to wait to be able to colled shit. Otherwise, just a handle and an individual that everyone knows who he is and where he lives.

I hope I have satisfactorily answered all your questions.

Edit to add: The charge about only 3.5 days initial PoW mining, what do you expect? only 16.5 million coins. When they run out, they run out. It depends on the hashing power thrown at it, you should know that...
3033  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT LIBERTYCOIN SCAM EXPOSED XLB on: May 26, 2014, 09:35:08 PM
SELL YOU FOOLS, SELL!!!


I'm buying all I can  Grin

LOL I'm loving this, props for this guy who had the idea to create the FUD. Thanks again my friend!!!!!

Dump a bit more, I dont have the BTCs yet in the exchanges... these BTC confirmations take forever.... DUMP!

I view it as an attempt trying to reassure people the coin is okay, glad to see the're getting their Bitcoin back!  You can have your bag of copy paste coins.

I see the XLB thread is just alight with people "delighted" to get "cheap" coins but still no information on the coin itself.  False promises and pictures of guys dancing around, like I said their is only a 1% that will be winners.  Glad to see your losing your bitcoin!

That you morituri13? Really?

Well, so far, you are quite right about the lack of innovation in Libertycoin. It is exactly like that one.... yeah mean, cannot think of the name right now.... what was it...? ah yes, the one with the gorgeous logo,  Black coin. Exactly the same.
3034  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IMPORTANT LIBERTYCOIN SCAM EXPOSED XLB on: May 26, 2014, 09:31:20 PM
24hash.com didn't payed, people behind it are thief, stoled all coins, this coin was a scam from the beginning.

Have you audited the blockchain? Where all the payments not made go?

If 24hash was a scam, how that proves that anyone in the dev team is involved? And that is quite a big "if" considering people is claiming that they got paid in numbers similar to those claiming the opposite.

Finally, the world of altos is filled with proven scams, why do you feel the need to denounce this one not even using your real handle? You understand your credibility is more than suspect because of it.

Is it The Black Hand?

3035  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 09:22:59 PM
How does everyone is guilty until proven innocent approach help the brand and cause of Libertycoin? If people don't post their wallet address and balance so many assumptions are made. Either they are a crook, scammer, or if their wallet amount is very small then their voice is suspect.

I'm truly not trying to start nor encourage a fight, but I'm not sure how that approach helps.

I'm not a fan of censorship, however, in the world of cryptocurrency forums I can understand the reason behind it. How can allowing people (and I'm speaking only of people who have no vested interest, not those who are asking legitimate questions) to post and cause undo concern to members of the community help the brand and cause of Libertycoin? There are some people, not all, who may have a motive just to make Libertycoin fall.

I thought this was quite clear: It is VOLUNTARY. The HONOR LIST. VOLUNTARY. If you are a fat wallet and you don't join, yes you become suspect. Sorry. In the real world, that is called DISCLOSURE. And it is enforced by law. You want to get to be mainstreams, play by mainstream rules. Only here, you get to remain anonymous. Best of both worlds. No strings attached, no negatives. Only positives out of it. I hope this clarifies. If not, please don't hesitate to ask.

As we all have just seen, censorship is counter productive. Because you cannot exercise it. They tried and failed at BC. Iconic and the dev are doing it here and you just witnessed what happened a few minutes ago. This is the internet and you cannot silence anyone. If you don't allow it here, they will come out in other places. More damaging too, because here you can easily counter illegitimate arguments, identify sock puppet accounts, etc. The innuendo spread over troll boxes, social networks and other threads, much more difficult. And the effects, as you have witnessed, are devastating, much more so than if you allow dissenting voices to be countered right here by the interested AND INFORMED parties.

Censorship is rightfully associated with having something to hide. That's why it is 100% counter-productive.

3036  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 09:14:20 PM

I don't think you understood:

The purpose of the HONOR LIST is to single out the BIG wallets that dump. Anything under 50k is really irrelevant.

question is, if you post a wallet and claim is yours and someone else disputes that saying it belongs to him, you can prove it by making a transfer of a determined amount at a specific time. No way for others to pretend they are you. No purpose in it either.

But we will see that X wallet dumped 400k, right? by elimination, we would know two important things: 1.- that the individual dumped it, not that it went to other wallets he may have -in which case he would be glad to clarify and show-, and 2.- who that individual could be -just following the blockchain trail-.

But hey, if the holders of the coin are not interested, by all means proceed at will. Like I wrote yesterday, this is a great opportunity (how you get "negativity" in my post, just because I pointed to two very obvious high mistakes? If mistakes are not pointed to, how are they going to be corrected and avoided in the future?) for us, the community, to make the most of or to squander stupidly by allowing the blind greedy actions of the inevitable crooks.

To each his own.

So everytime I send XLB to an exchange of 50K or more, I'd have to provide proof? Or only when there's dumping? It just seems like you'd confuse a whale outside of this forum with someone here.

Once and last time, because you seem to enjoy creating unnecessary confusion:

This is voluntary. 100%. You want to be clean and show everyone in the community you are clean gaining credibility along the way? you do it. You don't, perfect too.

By doing it, we know what's your position. We know that you are not a crook. And we identify who (potentially) are. Not interested? quite fine too.

Simple, isn't it?


3037  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 09:10:39 PM
HOW TO TAKE LIBERTY COIN TO THE TOP (second warning, there won't be a third)

HONOR LIST

Yesterday I wrote a piece in which I stated how big an opportunity Libertycoin was. For it to come to fruition, we need to come out clean and be clean. There's one way to expose the crooks... if crooks indeed are on board. Like everything else in crypto, it's all up to us, the community. That's why I am proposing here that we all participate in what I will call the "Honor List": State your wallet number and your balance. There's no negatives to this. No obligations. No loss of anonymity... just the exposure of the bad guys, period. why wouldn't you do it? well, by simply doing it, you risk nothing at all, lose nothing at all, and expose the bad guys, the crooks, if there are any.

Me personally? As I have stated -and it is important that you know that I never, ever, lie. Never. No if, no buts. Never-, I trade the coin. I have only two accounts, one in Cryptsy and one in Mintpal. The balance in them, as I write this, are 20k and change on one and 7759 and change in the other. I downloaded a wallet but I haven't got it to work yet and therefore I don't have any coins in it. There you have it.

Post your wallet(s) holdings and join the "Honor list". It will do more for your investment that any other gimmick, tool, group, whatever.


Edit: I just bought 5k more.


How do you verify who has what wallet? And if all of it is on exchange then transferred to fresh wallet?

I get what you're saying, but then you buy 5K more. Seems kind of odd.

What's odd? I had a 9300 order that got filled while I was posting...

How you verify? Very simply, if disputed, you prove it by transferring a pre-set amount. No one can do that but the legitimate owner...

Will you join the honor list?

Just seems odd to be buying while posting negative news.

You can tell someone to transfer pre-set amount even if you don't own it. Most likely this does mean ownership, but it's not 100% just like digitized signatures.

I have nothing to hide as I bought in during this dip. But like I said if I posted from a fresh wallet what will that show? My transfer history?

PM me if you have something else you're holding back. Always like to read these things.

I don't think you understood:

The purpose of the HONOR LIST is to single out the BIG wallets that dump. Anything under 50k is really irrelevant.

question is, if you post a wallet and claim is yours and someone else disputes that saying it belongs to him, you can prove it by making a transfer of a determined amount at a specific time. No way for others to pretend they are you. No purpose in it either.

But we will see that X wallet dumped 400k, right? by elimination, we would know two important things: 1.- that the individual dumped it, not that it went to other wallets he may have -in which case he would be glad to clarify and show-, and 2.- who that individual could be -just following the blockchain trail-.

But hey, if the holders of the coin are not interested, by all means proceed at will. Like I wrote yesterday, this is a great opportunity (how you get "negativity" in my post, just because I pointed to two very obvious high mistakes? If mistakes are not pointed to, how are they going to be corrected and avoided in the future?) for us, the community, to make the most of or to squander stupidly by allowing the blind greedy actions of the inevitable crooks.

To each his own.

Good, now good bye.

Since the moment you came here with threats all your words have zero value.

Nobody cares about what you say and personally after the threats, I don't like you.

So, have a nice way to the BC thread, wish you all the best. Good bye

Just for your information, I was the one that exposed the Black Hand crooks at BC as well as the inventor of the tic... tic... tic.... for that scam.

Now that you got that straight, it is just fine that you don't like me. Actually it is great. I wasn't exactly fond of you when you were a cheerleader of BC and after you came out with the hookers idea here and your exalted idiotic posts and memes lets just say I weren't impressed with the display of class and good taste, ok, so let's ignore each other, shall we?

The threats to the crooks, if any, will indeed materialize.

Just like they did at BC. So far I have evidence of major dumps but no evidence of crooks being on board. Be sure that if they are, I will find and expose them.

And I certainly hope this is our last exchange if 5 or 6 lifetimes, alright? Best to you. Now get lost to me.
3038  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
This is very mild compared to the pM this individual just sent me... what can you expect from what obviously is new kind of life form? Oh well, not worth even a minimal effort. Just for the rest, this exalted individual was the one coming out with the idea of the hookers. That's says enough in an of itself.

Iconic, can I have your wallet(s) and balances leading the HONOR LIST?

I have multiple wallets because I am not interested in seeing myself on the rich list. I also think keeping all of your coins in one wallet is unsafe. Sharing my wallets will just create more fud and it will be counterproductive at this point.

Also, this dump today was not from the dev. I had a very telling PM exchange with him earlier and I sincerely believe he wants to take this coin all the way. I also think he needs help because interacting with the community is not one of his strength, but I am not getting scammer from him on this coin. This dump today was from the BlackCoin supporters who had a XLB and decided to support X11 instead. They set it up perfectly and unfortunately naive people fell for it.

Iconic, you can post just one or all, that would be your privilege. It will be a meaningful gesture, more than anything. And, in your case, even more significant, of course.

In reality, only a few wallets, the ones "suspect" would be single out. Clearly. But, obviously, that is if and only if, you and the rest of the community, want to really know what is going on and who is dumping.

I know -many do- who the dev is and what his shortcomings are. I am not worried for those shortcoming because I know you could take over at any time so I am putting, like many others, my faith exclusively on you. That is, also, a big responsibility. For you. I know you know that.

Again, the HONOR LIST is strictly voluntary but it would work wonderfully because only a few wallets need to be exposed. And they would.

The suspect wallets would never post unless their coins were filtered through an exchange. In which case there would be no point.


Precisely. The amount total is too small, no way, no place to hide.

The exchanges can hide very little if you think about it. law of averages.

Any "fat" wallet not in the honor list, would be "suspect". You wouldn't want to be suspect if you are clean, would you? Precisely you would carry it as a badge of honor -hence the name-, as an encouraging sign to the rest of the community. During sell offs, it would be of particular significance. But, like I said, it cost you nothing at all, why wouldn't you do it if we all benefit from it doing something no other coin does and that shows the total transparency, absolute faith and the cleanness of the stakeholders?
3039  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 08:57:14 PM
HOW TO TAKE LIBERTY COIN TO THE TOP (second warning, there won't be a third)

HONOR LIST

Yesterday I wrote a piece in which I stated how big an opportunity Libertycoin was. For it to come to fruition, we need to come out clean and be clean. There's one way to expose the crooks... if crooks indeed are on board. Like everything else in crypto, it's all up to us, the community. That's why I am proposing here that we all participate in what I will call the "Honor List": State your wallet number and your balance. There's no negatives to this. No obligations. No loss of anonymity... just the exposure of the bad guys, period. why wouldn't you do it? well, by simply doing it, you risk nothing at all, lose nothing at all, and expose the bad guys, the crooks, if there are any.

Me personally? As I have stated -and it is important that you know that I never, ever, lie. Never. No if, no buts. Never-, I trade the coin. I have only two accounts, one in Cryptsy and one in Mintpal. The balance in them, as I write this, are 20k and change on one and 7759 and change in the other. I downloaded a wallet but I haven't got it to work yet and therefore I don't have any coins in it. There you have it.

Post your wallet(s) holdings and join the "Honor list". It will do more for your investment that any other gimmick, tool, group, whatever.


Edit: I just bought 5k more.


How do you verify who has what wallet? And if all of it is on exchange then transferred to fresh wallet?

I get what you're saying, but then you buy 5K more. Seems kind of odd.

What's odd? I had a 9300 order that got filled while I was posting...

How you verify? Very simply, if disputed, you prove it by transferring a pre-set amount. No one can do that but the legitimate owner...

Will you join the honor list?

Just seems odd to be buying while posting negative news.

You can tell someone to transfer pre-set amount even if you don't own it. Most likely this does mean ownership, but it's not 100% just like digitized signatures.

I have nothing to hide as I bought in during this dip. But like I said if I posted from a fresh wallet what will that show? My transfer history?

PM me if you have something else you're holding back. Always like to read these things.

I don't think you understood:

The purpose of the HONOR LIST is to single out the BIG wallets that dump. Anything under 50k is really irrelevant.

question is, if you post a wallet and claim is yours and someone else disputes that saying it belongs to him, you can prove it by making a transfer of a determined amount at a specific time. No way for others to pretend they are you. No purpose in it either.

But we will see that X wallet dumped 400k, right? by elimination, we would know two important things: 1.- that the individual dumped it, not that it went to other wallets he may have -in which case he would be glad to clarify and show-, and 2.- who that individual could be -just following the blockchain trail-.

But hey, if the holders of the coin are not interested, by all means proceed at will. Like I wrote yesterday, this is a great opportunity (how you get "negativity" in my post, just because I pointed to two very obvious high mistakes? If mistakes are not pointed to, how are they going to be corrected and avoided in the future?) for us, the community, to make the most of or to squander stupidly by allowing the blind greedy actions of the inevitable crooks.

To each his own.
3040  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: May 26, 2014, 08:47:55 PM
This is very mild compared to the pM this individual just sent me... what can you expect from what obviously is new kind of life form? Oh well, not worth even a minimal effort. Just for the rest, this exalted individual was the one coming out with the idea of the hookers. That's says enough in an of itself.

Iconic, can I have your wallet(s) and balances leading the HONOR LIST?

I have multiple wallets because I am not interested in seeing myself on the rich list. I also think keeping all of your coins in one wallet is unsafe. Sharing my wallets will just create more fud and it will be counterproductive at this point.

Also, this dump today was not from the dev. I had a very telling PM exchange with him earlier and I sincerely believe he wants to take this coin all the way. I also think he needs help because interacting with the community is not one of his strength, but I am not getting scammer from him on this coin. This dump today was from the BlackCoin supporters who had a XLB and decided to support X11 instead. They set it up perfectly and unfortunately naive people fell for it.

Iconic, you can post just one or all, that would be your privilege. It will be a meaningful gesture, more than anything. And, in your case, even more significant, of course.

In reality, only a few wallets, the ones "suspect" would be single out. Clearly. But, obviously, that is if and only if, you and the rest of the community, want to really know what is going on and who is dumping.

I know -many do- who the dev is and what his shortcomings are. I am not worried for those shortcoming because I know you could take over at any time so I am putting, like many others, my faith exclusively on you. That is, also, a big responsibility. For you. I know you know that.

Again, the HONOR LIST is strictly voluntary but it would work wonderfully because only a few wallets need to be exposed. And they would.
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