I tried asking but then someone jumped in looking like a DragonBall Z character and shouted "OVER 9000!!!!!"

I didn't ask to see one... Maybe PG did, you'll have to take it up with him.

It's so sad you don't understand engineer-speak.  To an engineer a shutdown or a halt means the line has ended and no more will ever be produced.  A delay is currently what is happening in engineer-speak, but that difference is lost on trolls.

Which of course was obvious as soon as you responded

[/quote]I notice you left out
Probably because all that could be tested without chips WAS the board.

Yep, you were spot on and assumed I was only talking about 1 company.  Epic fail dude.

see above highlight.  You assumed I meant BFL cause he mentioned BFL, but I responded to the other part of his quote.  I personally believe if you don't have it in hand between now and 7-14 days from now, you won't see a positive RoI on anything from anywhere just due to the simple fact there is so much product from so many companies that is supposed to ship in the next 30-45 days.  People will soon be wishing the monthly difficulty increase was ONLY 76%.

Last I heard he was kidnapped and ended up in Cleveland... I'm starting to get worried.

You are twisting my words again Master Shill... I did not reference any one particaular company, I meant ALL of them.  Tsk tsk tsk... we may have to revoke your shillness for this one.

I think you're jealous PG and I drank the Kool Aid and lived to tell about it.

ROFLMAO!!!!! You're dripping drops into a nearly full bucket and patting yourself on the back cause you're 'greifing' the preorder people.  We're almost at 1 PETAHASH of network speed and you think the paltry 1TH or so is causing grief?  Man, I really needed that laugh, thanks.

I'm not sure if this is funny or sad... much as I hate to dispel the notions of trolls (ok, you caught me, I love dispelling their notions)... the paltry few clamoring for refunds appear to be in the vast vast vast minority.  I think it's even funnier that the majority of people wanting refunds are the ones that bought a single Jalapeno.  The big dogs that bought the mini's are content to wait... Makes you wonder what the big digs know tht the Jala refunders don't.  

Josh took PG and I out for lunch and I had noticed one of the assemblers had just started on a mini before we left.  When we got back, I needed to use the restroom and as I passed the assembly room, I noticed he had that one done and half of another one completed.  Considering how huge the mini-rig is, I was quite impressed at his speed.  I had figured a single person might have been able to do 1 or 2 a day.  This gentleman could probably do 6-8 if he had enough parts.  Made me think of the big dogs and their patience.

I've been poking the trolls commenting "yet still they ship product", and now I can truly say "ship product they do".

There's really 2 problems with profitability calculators... they either give you a rosy feeling with no consideration of Difficulty increase or you have to punch in an unchanging increase that soon spirals out of imagination making everything seems like junk in 6 months.

While 'technically' there is a cap of daily BTC, 144 blocks @ 25 BTC (3600) under optimal conditions, with the network growing by leaps and bounds lately, we're have days where over 5,000 are being minted.  A soon as difficulty retargets it will drop down closer to 3600 again.  So yes, there is a limit that can be mined each day/month, and if that is exceeded the difficulty changes to a point where that should be the limit. 

The odd thing to me is all this time Yifu's been having problems getting the "Gen One" chips sent out... he's been having a new generation made?  If these are going to be ready for sale by late October, they had to have been at the foundry back in mid Jun.  Hmmmmm

then you obviously won't be buying mining equipment anytime soon. 

Josh said something to PG and I, but I am unsure if I should repeat it.  I'll PM Josh and see.

You really should research chip foundries.  If you sent the same specs to 2 different foundries, the resulting chips would not be the same when completed.  In addition, not all foundries can handle everything down to 65nm.

If you really wanted to investigate... maybe you should goto the nearest post office there and ask the postmaster what kind of quantities they pick up from BFL daily.

My $.02.

I was early to BFL (PG was searching for someone selling cigarettes and got lost), so I saw the Fed Ex truck pull in and head around back.  I wandered back there and was looking between the building and a semi at the driver carrying ~6 loads into the truck, but felt kind of conspicuous so I headed back tot eh front of the building.  Truck left about 10 min later.  I have to sadly inform PL they were wrong... There was no huge pile of boxes from Friday-Tuesday waiting for us to see.  According to Josh, USPS, UPS, DHL and Fed Ex all normally pickup in the morning, so everything had been sent out by the time PG and I got there.

I did ask Josh about #'s... the only one he gave me though was that my comment in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276692.msg3020097#msg3020097 where I said it likely they had shipped closer to 7,000 Jala's that the low ball number the haters use was accurate.  It was closer to 7,000.  I tried.

Did not meet a Goodacre that I remember(maybe PG remembers), but I wasn't actively looking for him so I may have missed his name when introduced.  We did get to have lunch with Dave "The Knife" though... I didn't see any knives in evidence though.

When asked, Josh did comment he was looking at around Apr/May when he made the backlog statement.

The Kool-Aid was great, PG was given a 5 gallon bucket.  Might be why he woke up in Cleveland.....

I'll let you handle the last one... you and Xian (and a couple others) seem to have the phallic obsession here.

Dude, you forgot to tell them what they wanted to hear!!!  The Kool-Aid was Cherry.

You really picked the wrong scenario, I've been through it before in many different areas.  I had a car that needed repairs, I took it into the shop and they gave me a price, I told them I'd be out of town for 2 weeks but would have the money to pay for it upon my return.  When I got back they had not even started on the repairs as the gentleman misunderstood what I said and thought I was trying to come up with the money and not to start until I had it.  I'd already had to pay $750 for the parts they had ordered to do the repairs, so I had to either wait or pay someone to tow my car and the parts elsewhere and wait even more.

Another time I had taken my dad to get his glasses replaced as they broke during a trip out to California.  We went to the 1 hour place(Lenscrafter) to get him taken care of.  He has a trifocal lens set-up and after having gotten an exam and waiting the hour we find out the glass has broken as they were shaping it and they had to start again.  Another hour and another broken lens.  7 trips back and 6 broken lenses later we were on our way, having wasted a full day on a 1 hour Vision store.

You're also forgetting that I worked with electronics for 20 years in the Navy, 3 of which was with an R&D squadron.  I have far more knowledge of the things that can go wrong in dealing with new electronics than 90% of the people on this forum.  On top of that, if you think BFL has poor supply lines, you never want to deal with what the Navy does.  Imagine waiting 6 months for a part to arrive and on the day it does this plane flies in from god knows where and when the pilot gets out he goes to the supply officer and says "I understand you just got XXX in, here's a requisition for it, we've got a greater need than you" and now you're waiting yet again for a part.

I've had 3rd gear in my car weld itself to the spline while driving across the middle of Nevada and had to sit at a motel for over two weeks waiting for them to get a replacement shipped in that "will be here tomorrow or the next day".

There's an old adage... Violence is the first refuge of the incompetant.  If we replace Violence with Trolling it fits perfectly in this forum.  EVERY SINGLE PERSON who had pre-ordered from BFL had the option to bail the beginning of May.  What's changed between May and Now?  Profitability.  Your money making machine is becoming worthless (and would have been worthless 10 months ago if it had shipped on time), not NOW your eyes are open and you can SEE the value disappearing before your eyes and NOW is the time to scream refund.

*I* did not order a money making machine, I ordered a piece of electronics to replace what I am currently using.  *I* researched the company, I read countless troll threads, I sifted through all the FPGA and ASIC ups and downs and *I* placed my order knowing full well the outcome.

It matters not now what I say any longer... the only replies I will get will be "TL;DR" or a 4 word snippet to obscure what I've said and make it into something else.