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3821  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2018, 02:26:00 AM
She keeps going down. Hard dump this weekend. Wish my short was bigger.

Long to 7900

Fight the good fight!
I am using this small margin short as a hedge against an ugly crash.
I'm already long with all my stash. No leveraged margin. Actual btc. Long to the moon.
Is it mathematically viable? If the price goes down you make money, yes, but if it goes up do you make more than you lose on the short, only to make a new short higher up and repeat?

As you suspect, it's necessary to prop it up as bitcoin rises, otherwise what you gain on a dip, you lose on a climb. That's what I call babysitting or nursing. One good way to go about it is the 2J-ladder, which in a nutshell means to sell on the way up (make your short larger) and buy on the way down (make it smaller, profiting a bit).

The alternative is to just set up a largish insurance as a one-off expense and forget about it until it's worth redeeming. This is much easier on the nerves and doesn't require that much labor. However, there are issues with this brutal approach: you need to close it (on a loss) as soon as bitcoin rises too much, and reopen it higher (so a bit of monitoring and labor is required after all); it doesn't pay off with small profits when decreasing the size; and finally, it should be done near a maximum to start with. If we were that good at spotting maxima, life would be easier, wouldn't it? But then, the very point of such a hedge would be moot.
3822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2018, 01:59:02 AM
She keeps going down. Hard dump this weekend. Wish my short was bigger.

Long to 7900

Fight the good fight!
I am using this small margin short as a hedge against an ugly crash.
I'm already long with all my stash. No leveraged margin. Actual btc. Long to the moon.
3823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2018, 01:17:26 AM
She keeps going down. Hard dump this weekend. Wish my short was bigger.
3824  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 08:22:15 PM
This can't be the trustee selling. On Saturday? Puh-leeze!

This is manipulation, plain and simple. Somebody wants to have our coins for cheap.

Don't let them.

Hodl.

IMHO, the trustee has powers (at least in usa) to sell at best price...so I bet he can sell ..if he thinks the market is going to tank to 6k

i myself think that no selling BTC till sept meeting for gox is a joke..in a liguidation like this in usa you are required to get as much $$$ as

fast as possible for the most money..and the gox trustee has 1.5 billion BTC to move

IF his view that BTC is 'funny money' he will drop more and more as he tanks the market out of that fear

this could get very, very ugly

brad


This could get ugly for sure. It's already not too pretty as it is right now.

However, the trustee is subject to Japanese - not USA - regulations. I know absolutely nothing about these legal intricacies, but as we've seen in the Gox case, Gox's (I mean the ripped off customers') holdings were accounted in fiat value. If there's any coherence in Japanese bankruptcy laws, giving the corn away too cheap might get the trustee into a hornet's nest of legal retaliation/prosecution.

EDIT - more substance to my thesis from bitserve (nice detective job)

It isn't Kobayashi: https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20180317_qa.pdf (skip to the last half for english translation)
3825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 08:16:09 PM
There are a lot of people in the same boat, Wall St. wants those coins nice and cheap.

The pump will come immediately after tax day.

Which is... when's the last deadline?

April 17 is the tax deadline this year, but it seems a fairly random date to tie to any kind of meaningful BTC price performance

Hm, it's on a Tuesday. Maybe we'll see a pump on the weekend, April 20-22? I'm counting the Friday in the weekend, as it's apparently been for a long time, bitcoin-wise.

EDIT - Jojo69 also answered my question. Thanks.
3826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
As a business owner I wouldn't price anything in bitcoin. Not yet anyway. Maybe after wider adoption it's volatility calms down. But you can still price your products in ounces of gold or silver and take bitcoin as payment. So that whole "bitcoin cant be a currency" thing is dumb. It may or may not ever be a good money. But it makes a fine currency even right now.

(snip)

Currently on a system's-wide basis, part of the problem with bitcoin has to do with Gresham's law, but another part is not widely adopted, but bitcoin is way better than pms in terms of divisibility, recognition, trustability and portability.. and perhaps a few more things when it just comes to the currency aspect of bitcoin.  

We may be solving the tx fee issue soonish. Signs are promising. However, one problem I see with bitcoin as a currency is price volatility. It's unbearable. I think that's what Anon136 meant when mentioning gold.

OK, 1 btc = 1 btc - so the price in echo-chamber terms is stable, but

How many apples for 1 btc?
How much bread, gasoline?
How many lambos?

Until these questions get an answer that drifts as slowly as gold (or better yet, slower), general adoption as a currency isn't reasonable to expect.
3827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 08:04:18 PM
There are a lot of people in the same boat, Wall St. wants those coins nice and cheap.

The pump will come immediately after tax day.

Which is... when's the last deadline?
3828  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
This can't be the trustee selling. On Saturday? Puh-leeze!

This is manipulation, plain and simple. Somebody wants to have our coins for cheap.

Don't let them.

Hodl.
3829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 03:23:50 PM
I used the last dip to lighten my safety short and profit a bit. The dip was welcome, because my short entry point was drifting towards unprofitability as the price raised.

Now I'm waiting to rebuild the missing part a bit at a time, scalping the small waves as we get back to where we were, around 8.5-8.6k. When will it be? I don't know, of course. That's the unnerving nursing/babysitting part.

My ultimate goal is having a short that tracks the current price, ideally an inch higher up from it (wishful thinking, and impossible on maxima. I know).

When I'm set or near-set, let them moon it - I'll drop it when the pain exceeds my threshold. Let them swamp it - I'll get richer than I were without my safety short.

Certainly, one thing that you are attempting that is quite different from me (and jbreher I believe - and quite a few quys and perhaps gal are leery of such) is that you are incorporating margin dynamics into your plays that make them more complicated.  Therefore, if you are able to describe systematic ways to employ margin, then you will be able to contribute to the space in your own unique ways.  

By the way, I have concluded that in bitcoin it can be very very very profitable merely playing with strategies that involve straight trading and no margins, so therefore margin trading is not necessary in order to get very rich from bitcoin.  It would take quite a bit to convince me to employ margin trading or that I would acknowledge that such is necessary - however, if you are able to present clear and simple techniques that are easily understandable, then I for one might be willing to attempt your strategy, if it makes sense to me and seems that there is a way that I can use it to make myself feel more comfortable (rather than less comfortable because of such employment of it).
Margin trading and derivatives are double-edged swords. They can be used to get rekt, much too easily.

However, the original function of futures was that of guaranteeing certainty of price to sellers or buyers of the underlying commodity (e.g., wheat).

When used in moderation, with ample safety bands on either side, these instruments can be useful to hedge against unfavorable conditions - that's what I'm trying to do here. Nothing new under the sun, I guess.

By having my safety short on leveraged margin, I am risking just a small fraction of my stash (that is, part of my play money) to get insurance against a price drop. E.g., to short 1 btc, you can spend as little as 0.1 btc (on 10x leverage). Of course, any price movement gets amplified 10x, so careful! Safety bands around your position!

Now the technical question is: how do I decide where, how much to short? The answer comes in the form of a working method: use the 2J-ladder to build the position starting small, small, small, and try to bring it higher and smaller.

Well, smaller - within reason. If the position (and the underlying "wheat", which is actually corn in our case) goes UP, it can and should grow little by little, as long as it doesn't get so large that a sudden move UP blows you off or becomes too much of a weight on your "insurance costs".
3830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
Weekend dump as per usual then !!!!

So it seems. My hunch was off. Again.
But this time the dump's starting from a lower point.
Who knows where it's headed to.
Low 7k's?
HODL.
3831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:41:48 PM
IF you are going short now it's because YOUR DICK IS SMALL.  Cheesy
My dick was small at 8400, yesterday.

It has been shrinking and growing, shrinking and growing since.

I hope it becomes a baby squid soonish.
3832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
Someone just bought 1 million USD worth of BTC. And another guy sold half million USD worth of BTC. Insane.

Edit: For anyone who wasn't following the live feed: someone bought ~4K BTC at market price and then left a 3.7k bid wall at 130. Then a minute later someone just swallowed that wall in one take

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Someone just bought 1 million USD worth of BTC. And another guy sold half million USD worth of BTC. Insane.

Edit: For anyone who wasn't following the live feed: someone bought ~4K BTC at market price and then left a 3.7k bid wall at 130. Then a minute later someone just swallowed that wall in one take.

STUPID me. I thought I was meriting a newbie for diligent wall observing. The numbers didn't add up, and I thought 130 was actually 8130 (which would have been spot on). I'm embarrassed. I can't demerit the newbie, but I can merit the patrol.
3833  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 03:28:21 AM
This sounds lovely but I am deeply suspicious.  

https://blog.genesis.vision/genesis-markets-announcement-f520ea832168

Quote from: Genesis Markets
the Alpha version of the platform is launching on April 1st.

Funny birthday.
3834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:51:24 AM
Now I feel as though there will be IRS agents infiltrating our party.  I suggest we have to sign a message with our posted addresses to gain entry.  Maybe r0ach can guard the door to keep the riff raff out Grin

And worse than the IRS, possibly. It will be a meetup of very rich peeps, remember: one million dollars will be just 10 BTC.

I think the details (place, time, reservations) should only be discussed in a private board. Invitation-only private. And yes, it would be appropriate to have some state of the art crypto verification at the door - like signing a message with the right key. No joke.

3835  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:35:29 AM
+500 dollars erased in matter of minutes

That's when a short on the side turns into a valuable asset.
3836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:34:39 AM
Woops, can't even read anymore. Thanks for setting me straight.
3837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:17:16 AM
So we going to get one of those weekend pumps instead of dump?

Exactly my hunch. I got it while following the price more closely than usual, scalping my short up. I'm gonna have a hard weekend for sure :-)

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This sounds like bullshit. It can't be true. Such a business model leaks too much profit if the underlying cryptocurrency appreciates.

I assume both principal and interest is payable in BTC.
The way I read it, the loan is denominated in USD. If so, it's impossible to claim the same BTC amount. Or did I get it wrong? I'm stressed out by my safe trading binge.
3838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 01:14:59 AM
Hehe, it would be nice, wouldn't it? However, I'm too much of a newbie at trading - and what's more, I'm kind of ignoring on purpose the intricacies of proper TA. That's why, if I came up with something like this, it must be already a well-known technique, and I'm quite confident it already has a name. If I knew its name, I could look it up and learn about possible pitfalls.
Could you recap what you're up to?

I used the last dip to lighten my safety short and profit a bit. The dip was welcome, because my short entry point was drifting towards unprofitability as the price raised.

Now I'm waiting to rebuild the missing part a bit at a time, scalping the small waves as we get back to where we were, around 8.5-8.6k. When will it be? I don't know, of course. That's the unnerving nursing/babysitting part.

My ultimate goal is having a short that tracks the current price, ideally an inch higher up from it (wishful thinking, and impossible on maxima. I know).

When I'm set or near-set, let them moon it - I'll drop it when the pain exceeds my threshold. Let them swamp it - I'll get richer than I would have been without my safety short.
3839  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2018, 12:03:49 AM
A 200-250$ dip down, almost instant. We won't see BMB/Rosewater for some time, I'm afraid.
3840  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 16, 2018, 11:36:42 PM
So we going to get one of those weekend pumps instead of dump?

Exactly my hunch. I got it while following the price more closely than usual, scalping my short up. I'm gonna have a hard weekend for sure :-)

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This sounds like bullshit. It can't be true. Such a business model leaks too much profit if the underlying cryptocurrency appreciates.
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