Not to criticize your recent good form Timelord. However, can you present a clear case for NUKING/banning?

By that I mean. Can you present a clear case for this member being nuked or banned that would stand up to scrutiny in the full context of consistent sensible punishment that should be handed out to those that are the most dangerous on this forum?  You can not have SELECTIVE enforcement of NUKE / ban worthy criteria, that is unreasonably biased toward less dangerous behaviors.

I mean to decide on ANY APPROPRIATE punishment we must set some sensible thresholds and ENSURE they are applied equally to ALL MEMBERS (where their deeds are known) or else no punishment is suitable and any punishment given is therefore a strong case for ABUSE and double standards. Therefore it would have to be No Further Action - which I currently support. Until you or anyone else changes my mind.

I am not saying NO. I am saying. If he was to be nuked. Then I would want to see that HE is a more serious threat to the safety of members here than those that have not been nuked or banned.

Scammed for direct financial gain, that have weaseled themselves in to positions of trust.

ALSO flagrantly abused the trust system

Engaged in extortion or blackmail

Presented as true previously conclusively debunked information (trolling) consistently and undeniably.

These types of things. I mean if you can present a clear CASE why he should be nuked or banned and these other types SHOULD NOT be nuked or banned. Then I can give a sensible answer.

OIEIO as usual is talking SHIT whilst trying to sound reasonable. He mentions "detailing" but clearly because he is retarded and we understand that, we have decided he must have meant "derailing" as that is his current flavor of bullshit and fecal matter he splats everywhere. Whilst running away from having his OWN DERAILING off topic and irrelevant spew he plasters on our threads COMPARED TO our on topic and relevant posts that we challenge him to debunk as on topic and relevant but he keeps running away crying trolling and derailing like a whiny little girl who we enjoy laughing at.

Anyway now we have crushed that fools spurious garbage. We once again ask time lord to present his case for nuking/banning in the full context of behaviors of other members here that this BSV seems to be primarily disgruntled with.

We find BSV to have brought up some important and undeniably CORRECT observable instances from certain DT members pasts (not timelords) that could certainly be the reason so many DT have probably gone for the nuke or ban option.

His main problem seems to be in terms of alleged trust abuse (which at this time matters not since trust system is fucked AND nobody supported his flags) that he chose type 2 flags not the lemons flag. Which is just open season for anything like red tags to some members here.

THIS IS WHY POLLS SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT if you really are interested in the truth and motivation for these kind of matters.

I see only that if he is nuked/banned then a lot of DT should be leaving with him. Unless you can demonstrate by sensible debate that I am incorrect.

Recently timelord has been in good form. Although the red trust ABUSE against CH is clear. You can not (back then) give red trust on the basis of him calling moronbozo a fucking piece of moronic shit. Which of late you yourself have come close to calling mornobozo and recognizing he certainly is a little prick. Although CH has recently told us we should consider including you in DT since he thinks you are not guilty of double standards although he thinks you are trigger happy with all equally WHICH HE LIKES, and that he himself is going to include you and may remove his silly red trust he now agrees in not entirely suitable BUT is MORE suitable than the red you gave him. Clearly being involved with or demonstrating clear signs of about to engage in financially motivated wrong doing is the ONLY reason for negative trust and flags. Anything else devalues the system and is assisting scammers.

I would like to see him present a good case for nuking/banning that will stand up to scrutiny when he takes into consideration the behaviors of all members and their current level of punishment he is pushing for.

To be clear this is not criticism of timelord, quite the contrary a very useful member historically and certainly far more DT material than 99% that are there currently. No small wonder that he is prevented from being on DT currently by those that don't appreciate members they can not force into their double standards scam supporting crew.

I Know some are strictly against BSV or BCASH or anything other than BTC. I too hold BTC and feel this will turn out the correct move, although somewhere on those cold wallets I can also claim these others so no big deal if we are incorrect and swings the other way. However this alone should not be grounds to target and go after those that favor the other camp. You do not want roger ver to have a strong and undeniable point do you that unpopular opinions are censored and deleted without being dismantled in fair debate?? NO we don't because that would discredit what we have all built here together. We want the BEST decentralized trustless solution what ever that may.

As always interested in a REAL DEBATE.

This is just the kind of post we were hoping for from YOGG. nom nom nom

Watch how we crush his post step by step here.

1. He avoids the ELEPHANT in the room of his "pal" mosprognoz flagrant blackmail ?

2. Then he sprinkles in some speculation and lies.  We will focus on the lies

Cryptohunter never said remove the neg feedback or else will hell rain.

Cryptohunter DID say that if TMAN did not remove his TRUST ABUSE ((which tman admitted in public to giving red trust to CH for presenting observable instances about lauda)
When CH said to tman you can not give red trust for posting observable  instances/facts.  Tman said " I can, I will and I just have, and if anyone does not like it .....")

Cryptohunter said if TMAN did not remove it, He would make sure that everyone knew the truth about the trust abuse. Sorry for making sure people will know the truth about the trust abuse LOL

YOGG claims that is untrustworthy behavior.  This led to the ALICE vs BOB phone stealing analogy.


This is clearly clearly different to what Mosprognoz is doing here. Which is completely different.
He is saying, EDDIE is a huge scammer (blasco) and he will NOT reveal this or tell others IF eddie lets him keep on working with scams himself.

So CH is saying he will tell people the TRUE REASONS (Correct behavior that helps the forum) for the TRUST ABUSE (incorrect behavior that places the forum in danger by devaluing trust system) = blackmail?? and extortion.

Mosprognoz is saying he will HIDE THE TRUTH OF SCAMMING OF MILLIONS OF USD  (dangerous behavior and places entire forum at high risk) (he claims to know eddie is jim blasco) if he can continue working and manipulating scams for his own personal financial gain ( DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR and double standards)

Also mosprognoz throws in EXTRA blackmail leverage saying " some investors and the police" will be interested to talk to eddie.

On top of it all this is all bogus speculative crap and there is no evidence that eddie is jim. But that is not the point.

Notice how YOGG the pal of lauda, tman, owlcatz and mozprognoz tries to conflate these totally different scenarios but claims only CH version of daring to say he will make sure everyone knows the TRUTH of he was trust abused is worthy of a red tag. But mozprognoz is fine and this is double standards by ourselves.

What a moronic slobbering scammer supporting black mailing supporting scumbag YOGG is here. I am pleased he came to demonstrate just how disgusting and retarded he is.

Now that is enough of trying to deflect away from this YOGG. I will have your opinion on this. The full details are there in front of you moron yogg have another read and stop running and hiding away.

ALSO please refute any points that you like we have made.

We are still shocked at the silence of other DT members on such a flagrant and dangerous behavior from DT " scam biters" LOL

Come on weasel DT members only 2 have dared to speak up. Well done guys and thank you to Royse777 for your kind and reasonable words. Yes, it had been noted (and actually we had given some small praise to her where is was due even a long time before although we are not personality types that can get along really since both are strong and opinionated and we have a strong sense of fair play and not robotic about the rules) that suchmoon does have more balls than 99% of the males on DT and will only bend so far to accommodate the scamming cunts on DT. So in this instance she is looking good and more like DT material.

The silence from other DT members is quite deafening isn't it.

Where is loyce and all the others, where is pharmacist, where is xtraelv I can't wait to hear why mosprognoz is totally acting correctly from him. Where are the best scammer supporters. BRING them all here so we can give them their daily public thrashings haha. What if I summon agent foxpoop? he knows alice should be banged up for life, whilst bob sent of the life time world cruise with his new phone haha

This is not even double standards from YOGG this is fucking insane standards hahahah
Give mosprognoz some merits yogg and another trust include from one of your alts for this hahah

Taking the scamming core down piece by piece. nom nom nom.

@dragon - the relevance is very clear. Have another read of the initial post. We need clarity from all DT members on this issue. Blackmail and extortion are very murky here.  Why the rush to end the debate??

This is meta board. This is to help set precedents of action for the entire forum. I see no reason for the gob shite DT members that want to spam their chipmixer giving opinions on every single minutia of the forum not to get a chance to give their spamming chops a chance to voice their opinions on something with some real MEAT.

Nutildah only gave that ~ after realizing suchmoon was not backing down. Otherwise that scam facilitating wretch would not have been jumping ship so early, already tried sticking up for mozy a couple of times. Fucking rat.  That sig will be stripped away and given to HONEST members, and he can eat shit in that turd world dump he has scuttled off to having failed with women and financial success in the 1st world.

But I digress. Let's not get put off track here....

Back to the blackmailing and extortion.

This was an interesting post. I was trying to think of any such examples. If I had more merits I would give some for that. A source should do if possible they have 100's per month. Yes, that is an interesting example indeed. Self defense is very applicable on this forum actually.

Local rules - please no instant derailing and screaming personal insults to derail. If you want to scream and cry then fine but bring some substantial points and arguments with you that you can corroborate with observable instances. No boblawblaw spaz tard racial, deviant sexual fantasies, lacking any evidence to back up his garbled word salad straight off of the bat. Because we don't want to have to put you in your place again, and get more trust abuse... for daring to ask you keep on topic and relevant.

Great now that is all sorted......

I am interested to know the opinions of DT members , mods and even THEYMOS

Would the following type of post be generally considered

1. blackmail
2. extortion
3. the general actions of a very trustworthy scam hunter.

Please give me your explanation and not just a number. Thanks.We need it to update our notes on what blackmail/extortion here is.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207250.msg53552500#msg53552500


I mean if this is not blackmail nor extortion and is the actions of an honest and trustworthy scam "biter" then cool, we just need to hear you explain how this compares to other BLACKMAIL and EXTORTION that yogg and lauda are keen to point out and punish. We can run this comparison later on though. No need to bring that up here atm.

This is not to get personal. Let's just discuss it on the merits of being blackmail, extortion or trustworthy behavior of reliable, consistent scam biter.

Is this blackmail yogg?? where are you yogg? what about lauda?? can I hear your opinions on this lauda?? I bet those guys will be hard to find in this thread.

I realize these threads are easily missed. Do not worry we will be bumping it every few days until we have a comprehensive list of sensible DT feedback, so new users and our very good selves can understand what meets the threshold of blackmail/extortion here.

IS THIS ABUSE OR NOT?? depends how you want to twist it really... if laudas lies about being on the xcoin launch and no premine/instamine + extortion, + shady escrow + trust abuse or TMANS auction SCAMMING deceptions for direct financial gain are not worthy of red or tags LOLOLOL

Since the trust system is so fucked and lacks clear guidelines for lemons flags and red trust the subjectivity will obviously be exploited and the double standards will be pushed for personal gain.

I will agree with what lauda is claiming "Any kind of highly deceptive behaviour is flag-worthy, there is no going around this." IF he agrees to have this applied to his lies about being on the launch of xcoin and there being no instamine/premine. WHILST HOLDING HUGE BAGS OF IT and trying in various threads to shove that scamming shit coin out there as a fair and honest launch.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5131477.msg50628003#msg50628003

I mean ANY KIND OF DECEPTIVE BEHAVIOR is fucking retarded. Nullius has put he is 2 years old on his account? is that deceptive?? perhaps we can say do some mental gymnastics and claim this has financial gain in it?? what if he wants to get in with VOD or LFC?? I mean is he leveraging this age deception?? I mean sure he is about as smart as a 2 year old window licker from tmans gene pool, but that is not the point.

This kind of stupidity has to stop. Lauda and tman have told lies and been undeniable deceptive for FAR clearer and direct financial gain FFS. You other DT members look fucking pathetic and weak letting this croatian scum bag making you all look corrupt and scammy when you are just mostly pussies. haha

His unbelievable "undercover agents " extortion scheme.

His constant LIES regarding cryptohunter LYING, and then never being able to produce ANY solid evidence of a single lie CH told.

Tman's auction deception where he was caught red handed by OG. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5147938.msg51677057#msg51677057

ANY KIND of deception Lauda claims. Then flag this long over due scammer and shit stain. Get some balls DT members.

Also when did noobius become Laudas latest felching twat? was this member always such a pathetic slobbering ass licker of lauda or did his new fetish only kick off when that account was REACTIVATED.

Was there a password change. I mean when some member appears from huge time away and instantly starts supporting A SCAMMER like laudas clear agenda and using terms like "LAUDA AND ME" in his posts.. LOL yeah I will come back and work with the king of scammers whilst finding those seriously dangerous members who prepare answers to questions to get merits (apparently) or other pathetic slobbering reasons to give honest members red trust.

YES, this is abuse. I agree with the initial poster. NOT because the trust system SHOULD NOT be used in this way. BUT it is abuse because there is no consistent agreement on that and it gets USED IN THAT WAY by scammers and deceptive scum to simply punish others.

No lauda WHY should all deceptive behavior get red trust and lemons flags but yours and TMANs undeniable deceptive  and flat out scamming FOR DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN get no punishment.

OF course you or your mongrel dog tman will answer and I am not interested in listening to noobius ass feltching twats flowery word salad spew excuses either.

Let's here YOUR excuses and why this is NOT abuse based on DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Also ieoeie or whatever that fucktard calls himself is a lying piece of trash. I do not see CH using this trust system to flag and tag all those that attacked him at all. Total lies.

The reader should examine this for themselves.

@actmyname - why is a lemons flag or even TYPE 3 flag any worse for the member than a red trust ?

All most members care about is there sig campaign status. Red trust is used by most CM to deny entry. Even if it is given for the most stupid of reasons that even that CM does not understand they will still mostly ask you to get the DT to remove it first LOL

To me this is abuse based again on the people supporting it should have flags of their own because their deception is in LESS DOUBT and there is a CLEAR DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN in the cases of TMAN and LAUDA.

If suchmoon was not such a grumpy and bitchy woman she could be DT material. Of all the scumbags she seems to have NO financially motivated wrong doing, and NO clear cases of abusing the trust system. Has tackled at least a pretty big scam too. Only recently started sig spamming. A clear new improved version of her lately. Also has more balls that 99% of the guys on DT those wussy little girls all cringing away cowering and not daring to speak back to lauda and his core of scumbags.

Yes it is abuse currently. However, if ALL deceivers like TMAN and LAUDA are tagged and flagged we can say it is fair and therefore OKAY. Perhaps not sensible still UNLESS there is a CLEAR financial gain or wrong doing involved.

Ha ha this is the kind of logic the pharmacist is able to employ. Poor retarded fool. Like there can be NO other explanation. I mean I know pharmacist has claimed HIS GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT SINCE JOINING THIS FORUM IS.......wait for it.....wait for it..........YEP GETTING ON CHIPMIXER SIG SPAMMING CAMPAIGN. Research, you will see this is true. But some people are not bothered about your chipmixer dust for themselves, they just do not want the double standards enforcement crew to be SPONSORED ALMOST ENTIRELY by chipmixer. Dark_star keeps out of politics but actually his actions demonstrate he supports and is willing to sponsor some VERY dangerous members. We have avoided calling him to answer for this to now but really, with all the evidence here against them he perhaps will need to be called on this eventually.

Jollygood "may" be okay at playing whack a mole with small scams.

But wait has jollygood has demonstrated though that he FEARS to tackle DT members who are trying to WORK WITH OR ENABLE SCAMS THAT HE HIMSELF HAS CONFIRMED ARE SCAMS proliferate here. See the mosprognoz should learn thread in rep, also the other one where mosprognoz claims he bullies a SCAM jolly good confirms is a scam to use escrow (happens to just be laudas his pals) and makes other strange suggestions to a SCAM that would enable them to be more "undercover " LOL

Jollygood is also tagging yobit advertisers SO LONG AS THEY ARE NOT DT members. Again double standards. I mean the logic behind not tagging the CM for that campaign is strange. Just tag anyone that pushes them or is involved with them at all. Ban people who push it after their first warning. Or else just admit you will allow scams to be advertised SO LONG as only DT and their pals and Campaign Manager mates can profit from it LOL

Pushing double standards = SCAMMING

You are deceiving people into believing that people should be punished for X behaviors, but you do not. You let your pals and other DT get away with the SAME or SIMILAR crimes for your own personal or FINANCIAL gains. I.E you get to keep on chipmixer route or DT and keep getting the lovely merits.

Debunk these points if you are able to.

Jollygoods trip up the old merit/rank/trust/potential chipmixer ladder would certainly not have happened so quickly should he have been FAIR AND HONEST to all members and not pushed double standards. This is clear. That is why this board is currently FUCKED. It demands gaming/abuse and double standards to succeed.

Fortunately if you have even half a brain you will be able to make FAR FAR FAR FAR more returns financially just from buying up cheap on long bears and dumping on bulls. Patience and research are key. Most should stop selling their ass and morals just for the best sig spamming rates.

He may not be AS bad as those he is scared to hold to his same standards he holds other members too. However being a scared little pussy with them means he is net negative on DT. Get some people on there with some fucking balls like Timelord, TS, OG, my very good self,  and others that WILL hold people to the SAME standards.

Read, understand, accept.

We have on particular issue with jollygood other than he is weak and scared of the same crew LFC_bitcoin and VOD have openly admitted to being terrified of. LOL

Not surprising really that board full of low level nerds are also wimpy 130lb virgins scared of any kind of threat to their accounts or not being part of the popular/scammy meta gang.  Haha

Keep going though jollygood, We hope you wake up soon and realize if you are a REAL scam hunter you must crush scammers at the highest levels of this forum, not  just pick on the weak non DT scammers.

vod, lutpin are anonymous 3rd parties too we must remember. So this is only for the rarest of cases really. I don't think generally people should be told, x is untrustworthy and a scammer because of Well we can not SHOW you why but just believe us.

I don't understand why you can leave negative without presenting evidence to corroborate your allegation they are a scammer or untrustworthy? although now negative trust is for anything generally by most DT standards then I guess you are correct.

How would you prove it? without supplying any evidence? or are you saying you need not prove it to yourself?? again I am sure the trust system is not supposed to operate without some burden of proof else the value is greatly reduced. May as well not even give a reason if you will not support the reason with evidence. There should really be observable instances to corroborate the allegations in most cases.

I don't think you would lie about something so serious as that matter , but really it should be for rare cases. I would hate to see this become a standard way of operating. Where a few group together to say we say they are scammers but will not give evidence you just have to trust us on that.

I don't disagree with what you have done in that matter, I mean it could be certainly the best way you have to prevent others being scammed if the guy will not permit you to give the proof in public. Which i guess is totally understandable in this specific case. 

I am not disputing your point around the 8 mins. Although it is conceivable possible. The points being made are very basic and actually correct in terms of the coins having their own blockchain and tokens primarily using eth. The other parts regarding spending/trading not so sure.

I think that sentence means (having read the passages above) that it can be spent in a store or traded at an exchange ... possibly??

Putting faith in anonymous 3rd parties here is still a dangerous precedent to set.

Where at all possible, and all but in the very most unusual of circumstances, The independently verifiable evidence should really be viewed before guilt is assumed and acted upon.

Your word is NOT indisputable, independently verifiable evidence. A scam could be conducted in this manner. It leaves the board at risk.

I would say, of course the accuser needs to present evidence that is independently verifiable by those assessing the matter in order to support or oppose.

In a case like the one you point to then when it involves huge amounts of bitcoins and huge risk, if there is No other way (ie the person forbade you to reveal the evidence in public to prevent his own safety being compromised or whatever) then I guess you have no other choice in the matter. This is unusual and not generally sufficient to garner support from others. You want to accuse generally you must present indisputable, proof of guilt where there is NO other reasonable/possible explanation.

You support threats to use merit starvation  by a merit source,  to punish the initial poster for raising a very important thread presenting the truth?? that has been spun by DT in to a brilliant move by TMAN LOL

So tman fucks up, the initial poster correctly notes this. Tman says he will never give the initial poster merits again for telling the truth, and tman is the good guy and hero and the OP is the bad guy?? LOL

What a pathetic shit hole meta is. The initial post BROUGHT THE ATTENTION and was correct to bring TMANS lazy or idiotic abuse of merit or perhaps farming alts

What is the point of a board of people that function on this level? idiots following scammers.

Do these merit/sig hunting noob dregs even read the thread before rushing to support blatant confessed abuse of the merit system (promise to with hold merit as a source for telling the truth).

What a cluster fuck.

CLUE the initial poster correctly mentioned tman was slobbering his 50 merits to a shit post. Did he do it because he is too lazy to give out merits as designed or because they were powering up more trust entrenching minions?? who can say.

What is this coward sock puppet talking about??

THIS IS COMPLETELY INCORRECT.

The thread is ABOUT DT MEMBERS DESTROYING HIS ACCOUNT. This is why idiots like the pharmacist and this puppet are completely TRASHED by us in every single debate.

I very much doubt the initial poster started a thread to NOT talk about DT destroying/abusing his account BUT rather to discuss his own alleged plagiarism LOL. It says on the red trust clearly what it is for. He is clearly being sarcastic saying " thanks for abusing/destroying my account with red when I was trying to help noobies with guides"...he is CORRECT to be saying that too, regarding the plagiarism aspect. READ ON.

The initial POSTER gets to determine the thread content NOT lauda who wants to ONLY talk about the initial posters wrong doing outside of any context of his own behavior. It is the DT's behavior that is ALSO in question here. Their behavior must be assessed in the full context of their history here. Is it double standards and abuse or not??? lets find out...

Those DT members ARE abusing his account in the context that their scamming is OKAY but his presenting some guides they claim are plagiarised are worthy of red trust and a ban. Besides plagiarism is NOT a red trusting issue it is for the mods to take care of. SO again it is outside of the boards protocol and is abuse.

To set sensible punishment (which is what lauda starts adding to this thread) the full context of wrong doing here and the punishment given for that should be raised to discuss appropriate and consistent options for the punishment.

I don't need to talk about what LAUDA or DT want to frame the discussion as. I only need to discuss what the initial poster wants to discuss. DT members abusing/destroying his account. Certainly abusing it with their double standards when they are found BEGGING for their plagiarist for financial gain PAL chibitchity to be reinstated after he admitted he plagiarized for financial reasons. DOUBLE STANDARDS = ABUSE ... scum bags like lauda and the smarmacist were complaining i remember about his ban or saying he should not be banned in the first place if i recall

How can lauda be begging for his pal to be reinstated when they admitted if was for financial gain, so therefore campaign scamming? but be demanding BAN for this guy?? this is ABUSE. You can not create a 2 tier system, one for your friends and one for others can you?? sorry for bringing this up though lol

Is that clear now??

So having established that. I want to know how the fuck my post is off topic and irrelevant.

Even more funny is this. The permitted flow seems to allow turds like the pharmacist and other such low functioning double standards dregs to come to MY threads and totally derail them with OFF TOPIC and IRRELEVANT garbage which is not deleted even when I report it.

If you want examples of such threads that are pulled WAY WAY WAY off topic and totally derailed by these same DT shit stains then simply ask.

NICE TRY though, next please. Fun destroying cowards and imbeciles. On to someone that can give a slightly better excuse for the SCAMMY delete.

There needs to be a clear and transparent guide to permitted flow. We make threads and the permitted flow seems to be ANYTHING FUCKING GOES.  

When we comment on threads and are clearly addressing the content in the initial post DIRECTLY we get deleted for off topic and irrelevant LOL

Nice echo chambers we are creating here.

I mean where is the reporter and cowardly mod that keeps pushing this double standards moderation here in meta?? where are they hiding??

Notice this sock puppets merit is being powered up by LFC bitchcon and dubious nullius??? hmm how interesting.
Another account that will be used to further entrench scammers and scum bags on DT.
Try not to be so transparent guys, it is getting too easy to spot. Come on tman slap him with 50 merits whilst you still can.

The smarmacist here claiming it has been going on for too long LOL... bring me some more posts that you can demonstrate are off topic and irrelevant. HINT go to our deleted posts thread in rep and bring them here. There you will find a ton more that are WAY WAY WAY WAY more on topic and relevant that 99% of the shit littered on other threads by DT deliberately trying to derail them.

This board is turning into one GIANT double standards SCAM.

Wow, I like this mod. Sensible comments. Can you be repatriated to meta?

Initial poster, do not give up. Your case seems to be a legitimate concern. Keep the board posted on your progress/plight. It's not a huge amount really so they should do it.

You win they pay.. simple.

Just because it says no moronbozo does not mean you can swap to your alt zorrobeck?? wtf -  I know we dont have the video evidence you requested but nobody else seems to require that to make concrete judgements.

anyway rather than chastising others please make an on topic point.

There is abuse or not? what are your thoughts and detailed explanations. We say there is abuse in the form of double standards, what do you say??
Also we restate they scammers should not have these powers in the first place.

The plagiarism aspect is clearly noted in the " abuse" of trust
Lauda speculates on the validity of it and implications of it.

We answer and BOOM off topic and irrelevant HOW SO??

Mods MORE than welcome to explain for clarity.

The abuse is based on plagiarism, which is a mod issue not red trust anyway right??? suggesting bans etc is just the icing on the cake from scammers?? is it off topic to say that SCAMMERS that pose a clear and direct danger to honest members should be taken care of 1st?? this is not permitted flow?? how so??

OUR post debates the legitimacy of the plagiarism claim, the motivation , the full context of punishment for dangers posed to honest members here??? and the right of scammers to call for bans for posting guides without full credits to the original creator??

Let's get to the bottom of this mystery???

WHO reported and WHO deleted??? enough is enough , lets debate and CLARIFY the permitted flow here on this forum. ANOTHER gamed and weaponized metric (deleted posts).

Come on mods STOP hiding up sniping away with deletes. Let's hear your clear and detailed explanation. I don't give 1 fuck if this account gets banned on SPURIOUS grounds. It only serves as an example of how fucked this forum is.  My friends are numerous and horny to take up this torch. You will NEVER silence the truth and the message that double standards here are NOT going to be tolerated.

Permitted flow is so subjective, and the last weapon they have when all others are crushed.

Either the guy is being abused or not , who is abusing him and why is it abuse?? are double standards abuse or not?  I realize these are complex concepts for most here. Plagiarism ?? copying guides to help other with no direct financial gain vs undeniable scamming?? hhmmmmm which to tackle first??

The moderation here and the leverage of the broken gamed metrics it produces are clear and dangerous. Permitted flow needs to be thrashed out and made transparent. Else it is a scam like most things here now.

quoting entirely , because this is the most flagrant and open blackmailing and weird post ever.

like a trade offer to someone he seems to be claiming is a huge scammer to relax the investigation if they lay off of pulling apart his own wrong doing?? wtf is this place turning in to that such offers can be made in public??

mosprognoz is totally insane to make this kind of post?? of course he need to learn to be far more subtle than this ... IF you believe eddie is a huge scammer/part of huge scams. you can not offer to forget investigating if he lays off of your own working with scams for profit behaviors?? then he claims to be one of the "best" scam "biters" on this forum??

WTF?? needs to learn?? this place has gone to the dogs entirely that someone can make this kind of offer BLACKMAIL in public. Where is yogg he will red trust this asap surely??

This forum has taken a serious turn for the worse wakey wakey theymos let's do something about this. DT offering not to investigate scams they are certain are perpetrated by other scammers for the same in return? in public??

The fact his kind of threat can be made in public. is totally insane and demonstrates just how flagrant and entrenched  the abuse of this entire forum is.

Mosprognoz and nutildah here ganging up to tag team eddie back in line. Remind yourselves just who nutildah is.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190369.msg52663441#msg52663441

If you have evidence mosprognoz, produce it , don't use it to leverage it to take the foot off of your own scamming throat.  Those sitting back and ignoring this are going to be reminded of it daily. WTF seriously, never seen anything like this before. New levels of entrenched cocky scamming blackmailing behaviors.

W.T. F

NO that is not how it works. You want punishment for WRONG DOING. Then ALL wrong doing must be evaluated and the correct and consistent punishment must be given.

Else that means you are pushing for a  2 tier system that will always be WRONG.

A rapist, murdering, armed robber, peado , does not get to claim that guy stealing 1 cent candies MUST BE PUNISHED without themselves being punished in a fair and sensible way. Even worse that rapist mudering armed robber peado does not get to give the punishment out as judge and jury whilst loving the fact they are paid to push this double standards crap. That is extreme example but just so we are clear one is accepted generally as worse than the other.

I think though in this case if there are multiple counts of different "guides" being presented that are clear copy and paste with zero references WITH financial intent then yes a sig ban and merits stripped off.  BUT after we punish the proven scammers here and they get it first.    


They scammers, can point OUT wrong doing, but should not be screaming for what they think is the correct punishment whilst not being willing to discuss their own punishment.

Would be good to see the ORIGINAL guides and his guides so we can see how it really is.

Lauda giving out red to anyone is a joke. Same for his cronies/supporters.

These people should really have NO POWER to abuse. There needs to be a drill down on this "plagiarism" and sensible punishment depending on the intentions and consistency over time.  Let's sort it out right after those with scamming post histories start commenting on their own suitable punishments.


Were not all these HE MUST BE BANNED AND RED TAGGED pals with chibitchity or whatever and begging for him to be reinstated to this forum AFTER he admitted he did it for financial gain??? have they slapped him with red and flags yet?? DOUBLE STANDARDS>
YES OR NO??

The intent should be key here but both can get a sig ban, won't hurt to remind them. Sigs are the problem here anyway.

What difference would that make to how the forum benefits (really) from merit.

Theymos? is that a special case? does he not have quite a few merits and is a legend? He probably cares not for your evaluation of his posts or the merit. What good does merit do him? save for others. He wants it to be widely used so his systems have some chance to start operating a little more sensibly.

Start looking around the forum more for posts that merit should and needs to be applied to so to ensure fair and equal treatment and opportunities for all members here, or don't your call.

50 a lifetime is perhaps a bit restrictive, but then you only need 20 ppl from the ENTIRE FORUM to start thinking you are a good poster to make you hit legendary. Does not seem impossible.

Better to still slow it down with 1% per year per member and max 15 per year.

There are FAR more benefits than negatives if you understand how the implications of this system. That is asking a lot in your case robovac. PLUS you are one of the key beneficiaries from leaving the status quo as it is.... I mean the fact you have so many merits is evidence alone the merit system is not a meritocracy when you note how little merit some super smart legends have earned.

As we have said though whilst merit has ANY other benefit other than merit score (that has no implications) merit will always be about OTHER things rather than just post value.

Fighting scammers + Fighting for transparent rules that ensure all members are treated equally does not change over time. Until the time those transparent rules are implemented and the scammers are gone. Therefore NO CHANGE.

This forum is the most important forum on the net.


refined gent LFC_bitcoin LOL

Yes years of 1 liner speculative drivel building up to your admission you will stab your friends in the back because lauda tells you to, and an unhealthy obsession now with child sexual abuse and supporting scammers??  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136759.msg52696519#msg52696519

Yes, says gentlemanD you surely are a credit and were brilliant from the start to end. haha back slaps and merits all round here I think.

Sorry to have to bring some truth and clarity to the how much we have improved over time party.

Like the plain simple and easy to read one we have now. Content is the important thing, so long as the layout does not detract or make it difficult to read the content/posts then that is good enough really. These colours are easy on the eyes imho.

Some additional features and removing some dangerous ones would be sensible though.

Well that's the point. Reduce the ABUSE.  Well that is lazy isn't it. Each POST should be evaluated and merited not just rely on your memory of contributions here and there and some random 50 slapped down. Reduces the value and accuracy. Of course there is no value nor accuracy but that's not to say we should deliberately make it worse.

Try reading our above post and understanding that until you can debunk those points that your opposing points are net negative. Pick the points in our post that you disagree with and pull them apart.

Reduce it to 3 at a max, good, excellent , truly outstanding and original.

I mean look what tman is claiming, it is truly funny, although he obviously does not even have the capacity to understand or evaluate and attempt to debunk the undeniable points we have made. It is quite funny how we use him as an illustration of the pure stupidity of the merit system. He is the most useful idiot here except xtraelv.

25 is no good, still huge subjectivity and gaming available, 1 -3 with some sensible identifiable criteria. max 1% of your merits to a single member in 365 days if source.