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41  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 04, 2023, 07:29:34 PM
Sunday Long Post:  Liquid!

It's been a while since I have done a Sunday long read...  And I wanted to share some thoughts on Liquid.

I have been thinking a LOT about it.  Liquid has so much going for it.  A very flexible security model that is arguably one of the most interesting uses of trust in a post Bitcoin world.  Confidential Transactions (ala nullc/Monero) by default. Asset issuance. Multi-sig, and smart contract features including token/security issuance and decentralized exchanges all with a native token that is strongly pegged to Bitcoin on the base layer rather than a floating shitcoin.

Liquid is all ETH has been the testbed for, but without the gigantic architectural flaws.  Spread the responsibility of hosting potential behemoth databases of smart contracts and other large size uses of block space to a federation who is ready to host this data, rather than to every single user and node runner (though ANYONE can run a Liquid node).  It does not wreck the world if Liquid fails.  And it would have no serious effect on Bitcoin.  The database IS SOMEWHAT DECENTRALIZED, while being more distant from the ideal of fully distributed, it can leave that ideal to the base layer and play with things like NFTs, the storage of legal or medical records, tokens, and so on.

What is liquid anyway?

Blockstream defines it this way:

“The Liquid Network is a Bitcoin layer-2 enabling the issuance of security tokens and other digital assets. Execute trustless swaps using non-custodial orderbooks and protect your financial privacy through confidential transactions.” - (https://blockstream.com/liquid/)

First of all.  We will call the Bitcoin base chain “Layer 1” or the base layer.  This is the absolute foundation of bitcoin and is optimized for security and maximum distribution, or decentralization.  What we mean by “layer 2” is fairly well established and understood now.  But here is a reminder:  Bitcoin layers, or scaling layers, are a way to abstract the use of bitcoin to another method of accounting that does not require a transaction to be written to the Bitcoin global database (blockchain).  The best ideas so far are cryptographically based systems that still do not require a central authority.  Lightning is one example.  In that model two parties will form a payment channel and can send messages to each other to keep a tally on who owns what, and those channels can be used in chains of payment between strangers in this way.  Another Layer 2 is an OPENDIME (https://opendime.com/).  This layer uses meatspace to physically exchange the bitcoin.  The bitcoin is stored on an address for which the unit holds the private key in a way that cannot be known by the owner without destroying the device.  But as long as the device is working people can just physically hand the unit to another person.  This can go on practically forever until someone wants to destroy the device and move the bitcoin to another address on the base layer.

Liquid is based on Free Open Source Software (FOSS).  The underlying system is maintained by Blockstrream as “Elements” (https://blockstream.com/elements/).   Anyone who wants too can spin up their own sidechain using the software, or run a node on the Liquid network (though only Fedaration members can sign blocks).  Liquid works much more closely to the way that the base layer works.  It stores it’s transactions in a blockchain just like Bitcoin.  But there are some very important differences.  

Liquid has 1 minute blocks.  And there is no mining done, nor is there “proof of work”.  Instead the members of the liquid federation take turns writing each new block to the chain at the top of each minute.

The native asset of the blockchain is L-BTC. L-BTC is issued (by the federation) by means of locking BTC on the base layer into a multisig address and creating the matching L-BTC on the liquid chain.  This is called a “peg in”. And the process is done in reverse by destroying the L-BTC on the liquid chain while simultaneously moving the BTC back out of the multisig to a regular address.

It is important to understand there is trust in play here.  We must trust that the Liquid chain continues to be run by the members of the federation, and that those members will continue to execute their role in creating and destroying L-BTC, signing transactions on both layers, as well as creating the next block each minute.  But even though Liquid introduces this trust, it does so in a way in which no single federation member can act alone.  Instead blocks must be signed by multiple parties.  This reduces the risk that a rogue member would steal someones bitcoin or write malicious data to the liquid blockchain.  Though the liquid blockchain IS more centralized than the base layer, that trust is still distributed among the federation members.  There are currently around 60 members.  Exchanges, wallets, Bitcoin focused businesses and other financial institutions.  Much like a group of banks who are issuing scrip to be used among anyone who chooses to trade in the federation's token (L-BTC in our case).

Why should we use a model like this?  Isn’t Bitcoin better since it is the maximum distribution of trust?  Why would we take a step back and introduce ANY amount of centralization?

These are important questions.  And let’s answer them by looking at what we gain and lose.

There is an old saying in business:  “Price, speed, and quality.  Pick any two.”  Want something to be made cheaply?  Well it will need to be made slowly, and/or have reduced quality.  Similarly if you need something TOMORROW, and it is meant to be the highest quality, then you can guarantee that it will be expensive.

Bitcoin scaling is a similar set of trade offs.  We can express the three legs of Bitcoin’s security model as

    • Distribution (decentralization)
    • Efficiency
    • Cost

Distribution is the choice that on Bitcoin we always want the least centralized security model.  This also means the minimization of trust.  Efficiency encompasses both the speed and size of transactions, and cost is the fees paid to the miners.  Again you can only have two of these.  And since we will NEVER want to increase the centralization then we are in a constant war between Cost and Efficiency.

Want to write giant transactions into the base layer? (Like JPGs?) Then you must be prepared to pay dearly for it.  Want to make sure your transaction is in the next block?  Then price, again will suffer.  Want the cheapest possible transaction?  Then you need to write the least amount of data to the chain as you can, and be willing to wait for confirmation.  We are in a constant 3 way battle, like Rock Paper Scissors, but in this model the three dimensions are continuums rather than binary, and rock (decentralization) always gets extra points.

Liquid basically softens the Bitcoin security model to offer more flexibility in the other two dimensions.  By introducing the federated security model we are enabling the use of more block space (token issuance), Confidential Transactions, and fast, cheap transactions.

So we are not junking up the base chain with monkey JPGs or “BRC-20” tokens, rather we segregate this usage to the second layer where it can be executed with much less overhead on the base.

So with all this functionality Liquid must be a very successful project, right?

Well… not really.  Currently Liquid is a ghost town.  Nic Carter has famously called it “completely irrelevant” (https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1542295652436262913) and presumably believes Ethereum has already won the fight for the smart contract/token issuance platform simply by network effect.

But there are other opinions on this including my own.  It has been said said Adam Back (founder of Blockstream) tends to see things early.  And there is proof he does.  He was already thinking about bitcoin and even inventing parts of its technology years before Satoshi finally cracked the combination.

In my opinion what Blockstream has done is set up the Liquid platform ahead of the need for it’s use.  And with a little luck it will be ready when the rest of us finally come around to the needs for it.

Bitcoin, and Ethereum are each on their own trajectory.  And will continue forward on their paths.

Bitcoin will continue to become more and more expensive to use because more and more people will be using it.  It is already well beyond the “buy a cup off coffee” use case but continuing to be the de facto gold standard for securely storing and transmitting value.  Payment layers are inevitable, and lightning is becoming better and better for payments while we see other payment, saving, and privacy tech being developed in real time.  Ark is an interesting emerging tech (https://medium.com/coinmonks/bitcoin-ark-a-layer-2-protocol-for-fast-and-efficient-payments-acb6504207) and Chaumian Mints are beginning to be developed for privacy and secure transfer as well (https://fedimint.org/)

Ethereum, on the other hand, will one day collapse under it’s own weight. With no brakes on the “efficiency” part of the scaling model  ETH will necessarily sacrifice decentralization and price.  Eventually the node runners and stakers (in the POS model) will centralize.  And it is already happening.  Even new coin creation is centralizing to the largest staked nodes and the rich will get richer?  Sound familiar?  It should because it is basically the current fiat central bank model on digital steroids.  Unfortunately this experiment has a long way to go before it becomes common knowledge that it is a flawed model from the start.

Liquid on the other hand is just waiting.  It has the potential to fulfill all of ETHs promises with a negligible footprint on the base layer.  Will this happen?  It is hard to say.  But one thing is for sure.  Ethereum is crushing Liquid as far as network effect goes.  And new platforms do not generally replace the first-runners no matter how many times you speak forth the Myspace incantation.

But here is where the ease of transition to Liquid COULD in fact perform the nearly impossible.  It is extremely simple to peg-in and have L-BTC which will allow you to transact on this 2nd layer.  It takes a matter of seconds to send Bitcoin to the “SideSwap” wallet (https://sideswap.io/) and peg in.  Then using Liquid is almost exactly like using Bitcoin with the added features of Monero-like privacy and the ability to create securities and other functional tokens.  Many exchanges will already take deposits and make withdrawals in L-BTC.  And all the tools that are written for Bitcoin can fairly easily be updated to include Liquid.  And even Tether (USDT) has been issued on the Liquid network.

It’s just that no one really uses it yet.  That is Liquid’s one problem.  People can use BTC for storage and commerce, ETH for monkys, and Monero for privacy.   So Liquid has a pretty big hurdle to jump.  If people started to pay each other in L-BTC and thus save on BTC fees then all the infrastructure will become clearly useful.  There are already decentralized exchanges (DEXes), and a LOT of big players are already on board.

Another question we have looming is what happens if Liquid does keep being used?  There is no real fee market currently since there is little demand for blockspace.  But if we start filling up the hard drives of the Fesaration members and other nodes, then Liquid will face it’s own version of the block space/fees issue.  It will become more expensive to transact on this network too.  Will Blockstream and the Fedaration continue to try to keep fees as low as possible?  We do not know.

So, in conclusion, I believe Liquid might have a bright future. I really do think Adam Back might just be early on this, and once people see that Liquid can be used for all the things that the base layer shuns by means of fees usage might increase.  So far there has been no notable “depegging” of the L-BTC value.  The system is designed from the very bottom up to lock the value of the native token to that of the base layer. And though you can always buy LBTC on an exchange.  Pegging in is currently a very lof fee  (0.1%) action.  Of course there are risks.  Nothing, even BTC is without risk.  But personally I store a non-trival amount of value in Liquid.  And I hope that it will become useful as people start to experiment with the platform.  If not I will just “peg-out” for that same 10 basis points.

the empty cup waits
for Liquid to take it’s shape
where will you be then?
42  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: May 11, 2023, 02:58:15 AM

And...  What's the most likely cryptocurrency BTC maxis would consider switching to if there isn't any solution to all the shenanigans going on?

Eeh.  The answer is Bitcoin.  Sure there are bitcoin maxis sympathetic to Monero.  I am one of those after all.  But Bitcoin is doing exactly what the maxis want and expect.  The blocksize is limited.  The consensus rules are being followed.  The fee market is doing it's job, and testing the mettle of people who want to do Couterparty on chain.  Bitcoin is the premium value store chain.  And it will cost money to store value there.  And yet lightning will make it available to even people who cannot pay the fees or even run a node.

Monero will keep moneroing.  It will keep being appropriate to use for the things it is good at.  And I think more people start to realize it's good for something significant.

BTC has nothing to be afraid about when it comes to Monero.  The chains that should be afraid are the ones like BCH.  BCH cant scale any better than BTC and doesn't do anything better at all.  Monero can scale a little better (still sucks though) and offers something no other chain does.
43  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: April 27, 2023, 09:30:12 PM
This is pretty cool if you want to heat up your CPUs a little bit. Wink

https://gupax.io/

Monero is possibly the only "crypto" project that I think is important aside from Bitcoin.  And CPU mining as well as P2Pool is one of the biggest reasons why.  Monero takes a different path at just about every bitcoin major tradeoff area, and ASIC resistance and sidechain based P2P decentralized mining is one of the most interesting areas of difference with Monero. Is it more decentralized than Bitcoin because of this?  Possibly.  Different attack surface too.  It might be easier for the government to force a company like Google or Amazon to point humongous CPU power at the Monero network  to 51% it... hard to say.

But it IS cool.

44  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 26, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
Oh well.  It's been fun.  And I will likely still hang around here.  Who knows?  Maybe I will spin up another node eventually.
Please do.

Your almost-horror story was quite fun to read, but I can only imagine how the drama unfolded.

In the end, you did the right thing.
And you learnt something new.
I hope we won't lose your enthusiasm for firing other nodes!
Oh.  It might happen sooner than I had thought! Wink  I cannot stand trying to get Breeze running half as well as Zeus + either of my RPi nodes.

I am just stuck with a set of decision.

1.  CL or LND? This is hard.  I DO NOT want to run two.  I was running both when the HDD failed last time.  And there is no need to run more than one node as a hobbyist.  Too much to manage.  And running one will allow me to drop a reasonable amount of sats in the node and maybe enjoy seeing routing more often again.  And if routing is what I want to prioritize it seems LND would be the choice.  It routes better in my experience.  

2.  Stick with the RPi setup or graduate to something more stout?  There are a lot of good arguments for the latter.  Raid being the simple easiest one to see.  Particularly with LND since it's channel backup stuff is not (or at least WAS not) quite as well done as CL's.  The hard drive failure we simple to recover from in CL, but tricky with LND.  But the Pi takes just a few watts more than a nightlight (possibly even less really) and that is attractive.  And it is plenty of CPU.  And I COULD always just hook a little raid enclosure up to it for that purpose... hmm.

3.  Stick with Raspiblitz, or?  First of all I will not "roll my own".  I CAN for sure. I am highly Linux fluent, and would have no problem compiling and deploying the software.  I have done this in the past.  But maintainence is a bear.  And the LND/CL distros (Raspiblitz, Raspibolt, Umbrel, MyNode, others) I really like the ethos and style of Raspiblitz.  I am more a ssh/bash type of person that a Web Interface type.  But Umbrel does offer a lot of cool plugins... hrm.

And finally I have to come up with some other silly name.  Deej was a beast, but is gone.  Jeed never really flourished.  What is next?


Call me a pussy if you must, but what is wrong with striving to have some plug and play reliability, even if it might be a side unit that is just always running (or mostly running and like you said maybe ONLY just running only one node that is used from time to time to verify personal transactions rather than trying to provide any kinds of services to others or to learn about various aspects of the whole lightning network?).. and in that regard, what's wrong with running an old laptop, or even spending a bit on some system such as Embassy in order to attempt to achieve more user-friendliness and power..   I don't claim to know much, but I heard that the various raspiblitz and some of those cheap set ups are likely way under powered and causing some of their issues based on being underpowered... and sure maybe if you pick some systems that are somewhat already intended as user-friendly and paying more, then you might be giving up a bit in regards to how much to be able to customize them, too.. but who needs to have problems with equipment failures that end up taking a lot of time and frustration?  

Don't get me wrong, I am a bit of a tinkerer myself, so I do actually enjoy some of those moments in which I am able to successfully set something up or figure something out, even if it may have taken me a few days and an expert would have gotten it done in less than an hour..  and so I can understand and appreciate some of the value in terms of both troubleshooting and then actually accomplishing the tasks, too.. ..

I don't claim to know shit in regards to the actual topic of interfacing with technical aspects of the nodes, and some of your various descriptions of trade-offs, and I ONLY recently started running bitcoin core 24.01 on a couple of macs.. but I hardly know what the fuck is actually happening beyond having 600 gigabytes or something like that, less space available on the harddrives.. .hahahahaha, even though at the same time, I am thinking that I am moving in the right direction to maybe later be able to verify my transactions through such nodes and thereafter considering that running some kind of a regular node then facilitates the ability for me to possibly expand into having a lightning node on each of the computers too.. ..and yeah, many of us Mac users don't really know much about terminal windows.. and we may well even get scared if we see a terminal window and have to type some kind of a command.. so many of us may well rely somewhat on plug and play expectations and/or other ways in which the hopefully user-friendly GUI software is screened and reviewed by others, and since you already know some of the various ways to play around with the software (through terminal interface), then you have some of the luxuries of both worlds, no?

Isn't this supposed to be a user-friendly thread?  #askingforafriend

I think those are great questions.  And I know, for example, that the Raspbiblitz devs are talking about releasing an i386/x64 version of the distro.  That would be cool to be able to take your little Pi and upgrade it to something a little more stout.

I really think they whole reason people want to use Pis is to:

1.  Demonstrate that Bitcoin can be run on low end hardware.
2.  Run a node that uses low resources including power.
3.  And that has a small physical footprint.

I think a time may come when these things will seem silly.  But at the same time I love rPis, and have several of them doing various jobs in my home.

At the same time... the limitations on the home node really revolve more around TOR bottlenecks than anything else.

You bring up a good point about the PI setups being apt to be under-powered.  THIS issue stems from people dangling too many things off the USB ports, or running the setup with a weak PSU.  And the setup might LOOK like it is working until the HDD starts choking and failing because of not enough power. Or the board shuts down for the same reason.  And this issue can easily be avoided... run the unit off a high quality USB C power source, or use self powered drives.  I have not had this problem for years with any of my Pis.
45  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 26, 2023, 04:40:25 PM




You know...  my CL node ran for about 1/3rd the time the LND node ran.  The fact the database is nearly an order of magnitude larger is interesting.

I can only assume most of that data is failed routing? lol.  I really am curious.  The LND node also had 5x the # of channels.

Causes a chin-scratchening.
46  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 26, 2023, 04:01:10 PM

Oh well.  It's been fun.  And I will likely still hang around here.  Who knows?  Maybe I will spin up another node eventually.

Please do.

Your almost-horror story was quite fun to read, but I can only imagine how the drama unfolded.

In the end, you did the right thing.
And you learnt something new.
I hope we won't lose your enthusiasm for firing other nodes!


Oh.  It might happen sooner than I had thought! Wink  I cannot stand trying to get Breeze running half as well as Zeus + either of my RPi nodes.

I am just stuck with a set of decision.

1.  CL or LND? This is hard.  I DO NOT want to run two.  I was running both when the HDD failed last time.  And there is no need to run more than one node as a hobbyist.  Too much to manage.  And running one will allow me to drop a reasonable amount of sats in the node and maybe enjoy seeing routing more often again.  And if routing is what I want to prioritize it seems LND would be the choice.  It routes better in my experience.  

2.  Stick with the RPi setup or graduate to something more stout?  There are a lot of good arguments for the latter.  Raid being the simple easiest one to see.  Particularly with LND since it's channel backup stuff is not (or at least WAS not) quite as well done as CL's.  The hard drive failure we simple to recover from in CL, but tricky with LND.  But the Pi takes just a few watts more than a nightlight (possibly even less really) and that is attractive.  And it is plenty of CPU.  And I COULD always just hook a little raid enclosure up to it for that purpose... hmm.

3.  Stick with Raspiblitz, or?  First of all I will not "roll my own".  I CAN for sure. I am highly Linux fluent, and would have no problem compiling and deploying the software.  I have done this in the past.  But maintainence is a bear.  And the LND/CL distros (Raspiblitz, Raspibolt, Umbrel, MyNode, others) I really like the ethos and style of Raspiblitz.  I am more a ssh/bash type of person that a Web Interface type.  But Umbrel does offer a lot of cool plugins... hrm.

And finally I have to come up with some other silly name.  Deej was a beast, but is gone.  Jeed never really flourished.  What is next?

47  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: April 24, 2023, 04:59:45 PM
The main reason I am posting this now is I have noticed a LOT of anti-monero chatter particularly on twitter recently.  Almost so much that it seems odd.

Not much volume but we are in this little area where we have a directional decision to play out.
48  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 24, 2023, 01:25:32 PM
Well...  I will post it here since a few of you may have just noticed you have a few more sats in your onchain wallets again.  

Jeed, has joined his mirror image Deej in the abyss.

It was caused by nothing your resident troll could wag his finger at.  No flaws in either LND or CL.  Just the foibles of a man, who try as he might, is apt to do silly things.  Well Deej failed because of a fritzed HDD.  While Jeed was slain by his master accidentally posting his private keys on an image sharing site.   Roll Eyes

Yes.  You read that right.  And it's a long story in which the hero thought he had CROPPED the funny image he was going to post somewhere but instead uploaded both of his monitors.  The OTHER monitor had a notepad open with the list of LND and CL seeds (and passwords in at least one case!) he has used.

The image was deleted from the sharing site within moments of having been posted.  But we know all about how "deleting" works nowadays.  Perhaps some admin will see the image and think he's struck it rich.  Luckily for me I know my way around both LND and CL fairly well now.  In fact let me take a moment to praise the power of the lightning-cli command (CL).  What a powerful set of tools there! I was able to use
Code:
 lightning-cli listpeers
to get a running list of my "close_to_addr": "bc1qnevergonnagiveyouupnevergonnaletyoudown", for each channel.  and swept the funds off right away.  In fact closing down the node was very easy.

I am proud to say in spite of my ridiculous error last night I do know hopw to work both node implimentations quite well, and have well formed opinions of each.

Bottom line?

LND is more widely used, and for what ever reasons routes better than CL for the most part.
CL is just better software all the way around. The command line management is fantastic once you learn it.

But they are both great implementations, I think.  Today I am fighting off the urge to spin up an Eclair node, which I have not done so far... but yeah.  I think the roller coaster of me running lightning nodes might need to stop for a moment.  However running the little BTC node on the Raspberry Pi will likely continue for some time.  I don't need the hard drive yet.

Oh well.  It's been fun.  And I will likely still hang around here.  Who knows?  Maybe I will spin up another node eventually.
49  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: April 24, 2023, 12:28:05 AM
Folks do you know are there any hardware wallets other than Ledger and Trezors that support Monero or plan to support it?

Those are the two biggies.  But there is this (currently vapourware):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12ttiso/a_firmware_engineer_at_foundation_devices_setup_a/

I am assuming this was what NVK was talking about?

50  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2023, 08:01:08 PM


I mean... it's wrong.  Like on so many things... but...

The name "Wall Observer" is derived from the idea of watching the Bitcoin price movement as if it were a chart on a wall.  And notr even a hint to the shit-posting.

 Roll Eyes
51  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2023, 07:53:21 PM

♫  ♪  ♩    One of these things   ♫  ♪  ♩  
  ♬ ♫ ♫   Is not like the other!    ♬ ♫ ♫
♫  ♪  ♩   One of these things   ♫  ♪  ♩
 ♩  ♬ ♫   Just doesn't belong!    ♩  ♬ ♫
Huh.  It's missing the rests, but the little notes actually quote the general rhythms and pitch directions of the tune.

Someone cared! Wink
52  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 22, 2023, 04:09:23 PM
What's happening degens?

I am sitting here drinking some Guatemalan coffee I roasted 2 days ago and sending myself transactions back and forth between Samourai wallet and Wasabi all of which say "JASON LOWREY IS KING" in the comments.  I am even bouncing some of it off the liquid network for fun.

SEE?  https://blockstream.info/liquid/tx/bb11b2e9c49b4a4ee1ba2f75d19bd99cb7d937237eea6d5adf066c46dea85bc7

Oh wait... you can't see that really.  It's all Monero-y in there.

I just want to see what happens.  I am risky like that!

Do you miss me?  Yeah... I figured not really...  I am glad to see ChartBuddy is still postin'.  Even if I am his only fan.
53  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 19, 2023, 04:02:29 PM
MicroStrategy integrates BTC-lightning addresses into company emails. this means that any employee can send BTC to the recipient quickly & inexpensively via email address

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/04/18/microstrategys-saylor-integrates-bitcoin-lightning-address-into-corporate-email/

saylor@microstrategy.com has been receiving a torrent of 21sat payments.  Like he needs any more! Wink
54  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 12, 2023, 01:00:57 PM
This company is producing a lightning SDK and set of APIs (I think?) for enterprise use.  Multiple customer targets, but likely banks, and busy commerce.

In itself this is interesting.  And bullish because of the serious dev going on in the lightning space...

But the CEO.  David A. Marcus.  He was Facebook's Chief Shitcoin Officer.  The guy behind Libra and Diem.

Is it bullish when people with significant failures on their resume tread the "if you can't beat them, join them" path?  I'm not wholly convinced on that one.


Well, that is the most negative way to see it.  And you could be right.  The dude might just be a loser.

And he was just lucky to have been the President of PayPal, and eventually a Meta VP.  And I do not say that sarcastically... I do not think being a C-level person at a huge corporation means you are smart more than it means you are driven, and possibly a sociopath. lol.

But LOTS of people at this forum were shitcoiners before they finally realized Bitcoin IS significantly different.

Yeah.  I do think "if you can't beat em, join em" might be bullish.
55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 11, 2023, 08:39:54 PM
A little bird clued me into something...

https://www.lightspark.com/



This company  is producing a lightning SDK and set of APIs (I think?) for enterprise use.  Multiple customer targets, but likely banks, and busy commerce.

In itself this is interesting.  And bullish because of the serious dev going on in the lightning space...

But the CEO.  David A. Marcus.  He was Facebook's Chief Shitcoin Officer.  The guy behind Libra and Diem.

Seems he saw the light?  That's a pretty big shift going from trying to be "the next Bitcoin" to diving all the way into developing a Bitcoin Protocol/Lightning Network Protocol (BP/LNP) services company.



56  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 07, 2023, 06:09:54 PM

I think you must be unfamiliar with this speakers sense of humor.
57  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: April 03, 2023, 05:45:35 PM
A very interesting presentation by Giacomo Zucco, her last week in Viareggio:

The State of Lightning Network - Giacomo Zucco @ Lightning Summit Viareggio 2023


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March 2023, 30. Talk by Giacomo Zucco about the future of Lightning in front of an audience of Bitcoin industry insiders and in particular Lightning Network. Very interesting insights and connections with Slashtags, Nostr, Greenlight and many other players in the international Lightning scene.


Please note this is a copy of the streaming session, so quality is not great.

Slides are available here.

But how can you stand his incredible accent!

(just kidding... just kidding... I know I know)
58  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 24, 2023, 03:41:04 PM
This noise is all so tiresome.  Please wake me when we make a new AYH.

 


 homer out.

You shan't be sleeping very long, sir.  (Where's Proudhon by the way?  Has he appeared yet?)
59  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 24, 2023, 02:32:53 PM
Just breaking my WO fast to come and say one single thing.

GET PEOPLE ON TO THE FREAKING LIFEBOAT.

The doors are closing.

60  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: March 24, 2023, 01:16:03 AM
MONERORDINALS!  Kiss  REEEEEE

For some reason this seems bullish.  I mean he's no Proudhon, but.

Plus nothing is going to overcome the bitcoin explosion.  Hopefully this is a omen to it holding it's USD value during the blast...
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