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My point is: driving the price down could help strong-shouldered owners/hodlers to flesh up their stash. The next time around, your dark pools or other provider will likely have a higher ask price. Meanwhile, your adversaries (strong-shouldered guys) have more than they had. If there is demand, the price springs back up, and you lose energy with every oscillation. So you nefarious guy end up losing, unless you provide new fuel on the average.

Might be naive thinking? Am I applying medium-long term dynamics to a phenomenon that is inherently transient and nonstationary? I think the more we progress, the more the BTC ecosystem approaches the ongoing dynamics of stable (as opposed to chaotic) systems.

Right, but if derailing fails (which it very well might), the nefarious actors end up enriching their very adversaries and giving them more power. Risky business, even if you've got millions to burn. I'm optimistic medium term. Maybe too much optimism?

The matter is it's quite cheap to mount a half-assed fork if you have some miner support. Keeping the value of the forked chain up is a totally different story. It's a hellishly long and costly business. That's where BCH stumbled, and that's where 2x will falter too, IMO.

Correct analysis IMO. I will add my 2 cents: it's unlikely the PBoC will adopt Bcash as the new ChinaCoin.
If I were the PBoC - a control freak among control freaks - I wouldn't go for an "old" coin with a history. I'd make a brand new coin where I (ideally) hope to gather info on all addresses, possibly by making purchases only possible through tethered Yuan.

Now this is a nice revolving system. For the earliest adopters, there is the nice "got fiat even" milestone when you withdrew as much fiat as you put in. The milestone can be hit several times, depending on the timing of buys and sells.

The joys of parenthood, Part 2. Vomit shower comes after sleep deprivation. The greatest joys come when the child ascends to teenager status. These will be fond memories.

Cynical? Who - me?  

Cooking isn't that bad. It can be fun, actually.

When I wrote "You have to know WHICH lines of code... bla bla...", I didn't mean YOU-Odalv. I meant YOU-developer-for-2x-Team (which I assume you aren't), and those developer(s?) (more than one? Really?) don't seem to be terribly skilled, according to the few who were able to peek into their github mess before they made it private. So nothing personal with you.

BTW, 20 years developing for banks doesn't necessarily mean anything. Many banks still have their old dinosaur system written in Cobol. No, not your banks. OK. From your words, I suppose you must use more recent programming languages, such as C++, so you are indeed able to tweak bitcoind, allright. Whatever.

However, Mr. Average Bitcoiner doesn't really agree much with the politics and rationale of the 2x fork. He's afraid of China. He's afraid of censorship from his own government. He's afraid he won't be able to run a node any longer because of bandwidth and memory requirements. He likes his SegWit, he waits for the Lightning Network to see what it can deliver.

But let us assume Mr. Average Bitcoiner agrees with 2x. He doesn't care about censorship or centralization. He hates SW. For some very good reason, he hopes LN fails miserably. Whatever. Do you think Mr. A.B. will be so eager to install node software signed by Odalv - even with all these slightly unlikely assumptions?

• It's not 1MB to 2MB. It's more like ~4MB to ~8MB.
• You have to know WHICH lines of code need changing, and change them right. And figure out the technical consequences. The developer(s?) on the 2x Team don't seem to be able to tell the keyboard from the screen. And the team don't seem to care much about censorship resistance, either.
• Node operators, besides trusting the 2x Team to do the right thing technically, must be WANTING to take that step. I, for one, am not.

But I see you're a legendary member, so you know all this. You trollin' me, man?

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Hm? Is Google Translate out of order?

100 confirmations should be safe enough, quite hard to reverse that much.
But in a fork/war context it could take days instead of 1000 minutes (16-17 hours).
And doubt about the winning chain can add to the paralyzing effect. IF the fork happens, which still remains to be seen.

Without replay protection, it will be a slow mess to untangle the altcoins though.

This. I was a little slow after the fork - safe splitting, many confirmations needed etc. We have some hope however, probably with the next FUD wave.

Besides, they can keep everything offchain - basically no transaction costs for micropayments - even before LN takes hold. I think it's going to work out fine.

Breaking out? I think 4k is incoming.

Subscribed 100%. I was worried when there was talk about shutting down this thread, because it's my main source of sentiment and fresh info. When my interest is piqued here, I look around elsewhere, follow down links etc.

The little bit of "theatrical action" as I call it - overplayed characters such as "Verbal" JayJuanGee or the hateful Roach - are no big issue for me, and at times they even add a bit of color to the scene.

Moderate weekend pump. Not sure it's the Amazon rumor effect or something else, but it's still just a small movement.

Fully collateralized derivatives. I was pretty sure the first ones to get a green light must be of this kind.


Makes lots of sense.



I think the wording reported by Torque implies that in order to short, you need to match your order with a long. Zero-sum.

This opens the door to ETF and to all kinds of Wall Street madness. This is going to be huge.