Thanks for your sagacious input (quoted for the benefit of future generations).  I guess my sources were wrong and there have never been any tensions between the Ukrainians and the Poles in that area.  Nothing but brotherly love from the beginning of time, and any possible tensions are completely out of the question as a future issue.

A bunch of the Nationalists were funded into a state of readiness by Kolomoyski (same 'Ukrainian'/Jewish oligarch who sponsored Zelensky and Hunter Biden.)  These forces were used for ethnic cleansing attempts in the Eastern part of the county.  Even a Nazi can understand a target of ethnic cleansing would have not choice but to fight back which has to be a factor in their motivations to accomplish the mission.  Especially relative to the potential mission of limiting how much land the Poles end up taking in Western Ukraine.

Almost certainly by design, a lot of the Nationalists are no longer among the living.  Seems to me that the Ukrainian military planners (aka, the CIA) did everything they could to get the Nationalist forces killed off, and away from the defense of their native areas.  But some have survived.  Seems that a good number of the regular army currently working on Eastern issues are conscripts or typical non-fanatic troops who trying (and often failing) to stay alive as Russia finishes up this phase of their 'special military action.'

By now even the most unsophisticated of the Nationalists must surely be starting to understand what tools they have been.  And who's been using them...and it wasn't generally 'the Russians'.

Looks like Western Ukrainians might want to brush up on their Polish:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7dUd8IDEWWRU/

If I were a Naziesque Ukrainian nationalist (leader) getting my ass hamburgered in the East, I'd be inclined to pack up my kit and head back over to the area where my actual family might be.  I'd make as nice as possible with the Russians as I pack up for my trip back home, though, because it is quite possible that they might be more on the helpful and supportive side in the not-to-distant future.

Animals don't evolve to waste good things, and no animal I know of consumes it's own urine as a normal operating procedure.  I would expect that in 'normal' times urine has simply nothing particularly valuable.  Clearly it doesn't kill a person either provided it is not contaminated, and anyone who has forgotten to flush the toilet can attest to the fact that it becomes rancid pretty quickly even if (again, in the normal case) it starts out sterile.

In corner cases where, say, one is fighting a (non-bladder) infection or some such, I could imagine it containing mis-filtered antibodies, antigens, exosomes, etc which if re-consumed into the digestive system would spur an increased efforts by the immune system to target appropriately.  Even here though I am dubious because if the practice were truly effective, I would anticipate  that one would experience a palpable desire to drink one's own urine during certain kinds of illness, and I've never felt such a desire.  That would be just one hypothetical.  The body with all it's systems, feedback loops, interactions with the environment, etc, is pretty damned complex.

Again, I'm not saying that there is ever any reason at all to drink one's own urine.  Simply that someone telling you 'no, never' under the auspices of knowing everything there is or ever will be to know about medicine and science is unlikely to be qualified to do so.  They probably think they know more than they do.

Or they are trying to pump some talking point designed by social engineers and thought to be possibly effective at herding the sheep in for 'their' shots.  And then pushed out for distribution to the troll farm 'social media influencer' contractors.  I've seen the Urine thing pushed out in various other outlets as well.  Other examples of this 'messaging campaign' phenomenon include:

 - 'I've shot up so many street drugs that I can handle Pfizer/Moderna whatever is in it' and

 - 'I and my partner, are so excited and cannot wait to get the shots.'

Edit: slight

If Zelensky (or more aptly, his sponsor Kolomoyskyi) wants to be a hero to his tribe, he could carry on with clearing out the Slavs to help set up for a New (and Better) Israel.  Closer to home, too, if one buys the '13th tribe' Khazar hypothesis or notices where most of the Ashkanazi Israelis came from.  Anyway, they couldn't do it without the able assistance of Russia of course.

I've heard that so far 'nearly 6 million Ukrainians' have fled as refugees heading to elsewhere, and Russia has a long way to go to shove the non-Noahide-capable people up into the far West in the (current) bordered areas or outside the borders completely.  That '6-million' figure tends to be 'sticky' in that part of the world somehow, but I expect that it will be blasted through shortly.  Even if the 'refugee' count stands still from here (highly unlikely) it is a pretty significant portion of the total population of (current) Ukraine.

Another big batch of refugees could be just what the doctor ordered in the project(s) of sinking target countries (esp, the U.S.) and there are some choice specimens for export as evidenced by the swastika tattoos.  Proverbial 'mixed multitude.'

For a while now it has struck me that 'the Jews' seem to WANT to be blamed for the vaccine catastrophe among other upcoming crises such as the currency collapse, famine, etc.  It's actually not to difficult to understand why, or to see some historical precedents and philosophical matches; if 'the Jews' are 'chased out' of one place they will pop up in another.  It's happened a lot through history.  For the hard-of-thinking, my suggestion is that the design is for that place to be 'New Israel' where a big chunk of the Ukraine now sits.

As for 'old Israel', it was never much of a thing to the Khazars who's religious family tree has roots sprouting from Babylon.  The Sephardim and assorted other crackpot fanatics will probably be left behind to fend for themselves and 'fulfill biblical prophecy.'

I'd also note that if any society even comes close to achieving a 'new normal' which is as Zelensky was crowing about several months ago, it won't even matter if there are die-hard nazis peppering a society.  Everyone of every stripe will be completely immobilized and 'crime' will be a thing of the past.  China led the way here, and are demonstrating how easy it is to control a starving city of 25,000,000 from a set of keyboards and some cloud infrastructure to run simulations and monitor things.

Ah Oh:  PUTIN Extreme Panic Ukraine kills 50 top Russian FIFTY officers and destroys enemy command

These totally true facts prove that the end is near for the last of the Rooshins who couldn't find their way back across the border in the stream of continuous routs since the special military action began.

Can I be friends with all of you gaggle dead-ender Q-tards now, or do I have to report "Putin passes out drunk; wakes up...IN GITMO!" to achieve some credibility?

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Circling back to the 'mass graves' in Mariupol area, now an on-the-scene report from the area showing basically exactly what I would have expected in the circumstances as I understand them:

  Ukrainian newest false flag of "mass graves" promoted by the Guardian
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZSLvHQD3C5TQ/

What seems to have happened in Bucha is that Ukrainian SS teams quickly filled the vacuum when the Russians left and assassinated the 'collaborators'.  Rules of war compelled the Russians to provide for the minimal needs of occupied civilians (food, water, etc.)  This they were doing.  Unfortunately anyone who availed of or assisted with distribution was considered a 'collaborator' by the more extreme elements of the Ukrainian political structures and these people were summarily executed.  Then they tried to use the aftermath as a false-flag.

What seems to have happened in Mariupol is that Azov were using the local housing as firing points (which I don't have a problem with absent other options), but they were using the local population as human shields and they were doing what they needed to do to keep them in captivity.  That translated to open season on targets from their firing points.  This is why the civilian bodies in the streets seem to have died well before there was close combat fighting with the Russian urban combat specialists in a given area.

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The hypothesis forming up in my mind is that (Ukrainian/Jewish oligarch who owns Azov) Kolomoyski, and even the neocons and CIA who manage Azov, are basically on Russia's side and are playing a long-game involving Russia effectively controlling the new state/territory to be formed in Eastern and Southern Ukraine.  There will be a 'rump' left in Western Ukraine consisting of what is left of the Azov-aligned forces and ideologically aligned people, and it might even be 'given back' to Poland at that time.  The hatred for these Nazi-esque people among any populations 'defended' by them in the 2022 war will be extreme and long-lasting which is effectively the same thing as inducing the peeps to shift their support to the Russian-aligned factions.

Honestly, it looks to me as though the same dynamics of 'totalitarian rule enforced by street thugs' was the norm in the Donbass areas as well, but with substitution of Stalin for Hilter as a 'historical father figure'.  Ironically, while the native populations of Germany, Russia, China, etc, distanced themselves from own legacy baggage (Hitler, Stalin, Mao) fairly quickly when it became practical to do so, certain pockets of the more distant areas did not and continue to lionize them.  I say this as a person living currently where there is a low-grade communist insurgency which is classified by some as 'Maoist'.  I must say, though, that it would surprise me if almost any of the bullet-stoppers filling their ranks had the slightest interest or understanding of history, politics, etc beyond some minimal level of well-honed propaganda.  Same could be said of their counterparts on the government side too of course.

It's not all that complicated, and perfectly in-line with what a LOT of people have been saying for while:  The peeps were being used as human shields.  When they got desperate enough to leave the apartment complex basements to get water, they would be picked off since the 'defenders' were telling them in no uncertain terms to stay put.

The 'defenders' were doing what their sponsors and handlers told them, for whatever reasons, to do.  That would be the likes of Kolomoyskyi and the Western directors.  The reasons behind this strategy are not really all that clear to me yet.  Anyway, Mariupol is Russian-speaking which is prone to stir the ire of various of the Azov formations and apparently the ones who were assigned to 'defend' Mariupol.

Lancaster's vids where he walked around within snipe-ing distance of the steel mill within hours of it's above-ground 'defender' clearing and ran across tons of civilian bodies which were old enough to have had their faces eaten by crows confirm quite loudly the veracity of the countless newly liberated hostages.  As for digging the graves, I'd be surprised if 'the Russians' were doing it as much as the locals.  Their job of putting the Azov 'defenders' in the hole was enough.  I would expect that locals took some excavators out there, dug some holes, and got on with the business of cleaning up as it became safe to do so.

As a practical matter, seems to me that burying dead bodies is more along the lines of 'what you do' no matter how the body got to be dead.  The alternative is not very sensible for health reasons, and one would only leave bodies around if it were unsafe to retrieve and bury them.  It is certainly not some sort of 'smoking gun in the hands of the Russkies' or whatever.  I seriously doubt that there will be much interest in international investigations of 'genocide' or whatever in Mariupol just as the Western Democracies quickly lost interest before they started in the Bucha affair.

Looks like Daily Beast and one of the more well know of the pro-Zelensky social media influencer dudes (well known for some pretty disgusting and super creepy gloating vid on Lira's demise) are realizing that slimy outing and whereabouts tip to violent right-wing extremists may not play out that well for them except among their brand of satanic weirdos.  And such people are still in a minority.  Damage Control:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/B5dv7HirL2vy/

I didn't know you could get them on Amazon, but I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.  I just did an image search for 'rainbow dildo' and that was the least NSFW one which came up on the first page.  Did you already get one, or just signed in to your Amazon account to look?

You are missing the point.  Completely!  My point is about thoughtless rejection of unorthodox ideas.

On the urine thing I won't even bother to put forward any hypotheses about biochemistry and physiology which might apply because they would almost certainly go right over your head scientifically and it would be a waste of time.

Again, I don't drink my own urine (or anyone/anything elses'), have no plans to, and am not suggesting it to anyone.  I simply don't reject the utility or effectiveness for certain conditions out-of-hand without research, and have not done the research.

It (skepticism of orthodox mainstream information/norms) used to be that way more, but honestly there have been a surprising number of 'normies' even in the early days.  The main difference between the anacro-normies and today's crop is that the old-timers generally liked crypto-currency (and are now fairly well off.)  The noobs come in all shades in terms of their disposition toward crypto, and are generally not so well off one would expect of the early adopters.

I do suspect that once some of the real power-players in society recognized the complications possible from the development of distributed crypto-currencies, they had their troll-farm contractors assign some resources to the issue and some of they landed here.  Some of them may have stayed even as the importance of this forum waned.  Or not.

To the surprise of no one who would have been paying attention to the new-Liberal 'cancel culture', The Daily Beast seems to have decided to take care of the problem by DOXing the guy to the 'security forces'.  Seems to have worked.  Now some of these people are waiting with baited breath the beheading vids which is pretty sick.

https://politiquerepublic.substack.com/p/cancel-culture-in-a-war-zone?s=r

The best hope for him would seem to me to be that when Daily Beast put the hit on him, he decided to fake his own death and do a little work to call attention their methods.  Most likely, though, he was picked up, tortured for a while to get authentication details, then disposed of.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhereIsGonzaloLira?src=hashtag_click

Not really worth mentioning until you brought it up, but 'pleasantries' was not really an applicable word here.  I happen to be a native English speaker though.  I made a statement of fact that I find the guy to be among the relatively few here who's stuff is worth reading to find out things I didn't know, see what someone who can and has studied certain things with some rigor is saying, and is able to make original inferences some of what seem likely to be valid.  Most people here are extremely predictable because the regurgitate the same standard mainstream party line which everyone is already familiar with.  And are utterly convince that what they heard is 'fact'.  You are a very good example of the phenomenon.  Mildly amusing initially, but it gets boring pretty quickly.

I couldn't understand some of what they guy was saying, and my Pavlovian response from the first second of footage was that it was more professionally designed than one would expect from a spontaneous quicky vid.  But it certainly could be.  Anyway...

Asking if Azov in Mariupol committed war crimes is absurd to me, but not fully though because there is an element of personal ethics which can vary from person to person, philosophical framework to philosophical framework, etc.  Although not religious, I grew up in a Christian country with 'Christian ethics' so the use of human shields is about as bad as it gets irrespective of what one law or convention may or may not say.  Were I of the 'means justify the ends' philosophy, I might be of a different opinion generally although I think that most things construed as 'Nazi ideology' have pretty bad 'ends' as well.

There seems to be a religious ideology which may be more common than most people think.  It is to actively make the world so filled with such vile behavior that God(s) will be compelled come back to straighten things out.  I suspect that it appeals to people who have a propensity for degeneracy of one form or another anyway.  Like Nazis, Bolsheviks, Maoist, some groups of doctors and scientists, etc.  This seems to be the attitude promoted by many Kabbalists (especially the ethnic supremacist ones), and at least tolerated by garden variety Luciferians.  It seems to me the best match for what we see going on in Ukraine these days, and yes, driven mostly by the Ukrainian (sponsor's) side.

Yes, I certainly consider the Azov guys to be 'just a gang of terrorists' from all that I can see when I try to be objective, but the people who built and control them (at least partially) are even worse.  Unfortunately that is in large part my own government since I still hold a U.S. passport and pay taxes through that entity.

Maybe they are ADL certified Kosher Nazis because they don't cause problems for Jews or Israelis.  Like the ones fighting under Zelensky('s handlers) now.

In seeking a hypothesis with the most explanatory power, the one which best explains Russia's attitude in my mind is that Jewish people/interests ran a whole cycle of Communism from the start-up under the Bolsheviks through the collapse and pay-out to the Oligarchs, and that effective control continues to this day.  Seems to me that from start until now Jews in Russia are afforded 'special' protections at the very least.  Maybe they need it for whatever set of reasons, or maybe it's just handy to have and generations of enforcement (involving terrorism) have it pretty ingrained in the society at large.

Also, perhaps, there is a somewhat obscured relationship between Judaism and 'the Nazis' which is not appropriate to say much about.  Certain of the Monty Python guys were pretty politically savvy and in The Life of Brian at least they made a lot of fun of what are today pretty highly protected classes in some societies (trannys, homosexuals, cripples, Communists, etc.)  Here's an interesting clip which was censored out before it could be approved for viewing in America:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4tBSreW84

At the end of the day, 'Nazis' of one stripe or another and at one time or another have been responsible for a lot of things that Jews, and particularly Zionist Jews, have found desirable for their goals.  Instrumental one might say, and I doubt that the phenomenon was or would have been unknown or unpredicted at the upper echelons of leadership and planning.

I don't care for either of them.  They are both just sock-puppets animated and funded by the same group near the top of the pyramid.  The 'Russians' also BTW.

Nope.  I didn't transform into a state department shill in one short month.  Put me back on your ignore list and check back in 20 years.


Oh, I see:

Steel mill Azov:


Port Azov:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrU0Y_2eU8I


Lol.  I hope if I ever get 'pinned down' in combat it is in the way Azov and associated mercenaries pinned down the Chechens in Mariupol.

I'm guessing that for to long the 'defenders' believed the stories about a Ukrainian breakthrough to save their asses, and probably thought that with the Western mercenaries among them, the West would somehow come to the rescue.  The joke is on them because the only people who would like to see them dead more than Russia would be Zelenski and their Jewish oligarch sponsors (edit: and U.S. state department Jews such as Victoria Nudelman-Kagan) who have been paying them for a decade for just this day.

Takes a lot of 'character' to justify the use of human shields just to maybe give a little more time for Western weapons to come in to some other part of the country.  I will give you that.

There are a pretty steady stream of them being paraded on the internet now that Mariupol has fallen.  They look surprisingly like the faces-of-meth tweakers which populate my area in the Pacific Northwest.  There is just something about that look (and behavior toward non-combatants.)  It's more than just the tattoos.

Well I'll be go'ed to hell:

  Gasoline in Melitopol, Ukraine can be bought in $RUBLES
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/oswFMqDISTLf/

Dunno if it's true or not of course, but it doesn't look as phony as what the lamestream media tries to sell us.  Looks like there is room for BTC and XMR up above the Ruble as well.