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461  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2020, 04:10:06 PM
Gold is even down..
wtf

You can't buy TP with it. What would you expect?

P.S.: Also sooner or later countries will have to sell from their reserves to recover from this.
462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2020, 02:59:36 PM
Gold, oil, Bitcoin all dropping along with stocks, where are people putting their money?

Uh? What money? There's NO money when EVERYTHING WORLDWIDE goes down.
463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
We are all gonna die... poor.
464  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 11, 2020, 08:36:14 PM
A 5-digit BTC not asking for more .... in the short term  Roll Eyes


We will never see a five digit bitcoin again (trying to jinx it Cheesy)

we will never see 6 digit Bitcoin Wink

We will never see 9 digit  Grin

If this happens we will have a beer in space  Cool


And beyond
9 Digit is dream of every bitcoiner but not near soon will take many decades.

I don't think we should be talking about ten digits yet.
465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 11, 2020, 01:20:35 PM
Spain reports 372 new cases and 11 new deaths, raising total to 2,067 cases and 47 dead.

The weather in Spain is nice 20°C - 30°C...

Where I am it is right now at around 30, even slightly higher at some times of the day. The number of infected is VERY low in comparison to the rest of Spain. If it keeps that way it will probably confirm that higher temps and dry climate really do help in stopping the spreading of the virus.

Good thing this has happened right at the start of the good weather.
466  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 11, 2020, 01:36:50 AM
Fallas de Valencia suspended/cancelled.

Semana Santa (5 April to 12 Apr) I would bet it will be cancelled too. That will be HUGE.

Political Congress also suspended after one main congressman got positive and others suspected of having been infected.

This is a big shitshow for sure.

I was scheduled to go to the hospital for a routine check... I will cancel it. There have been very few cases where I am and probably the climate being over 30 centigrades already will reduce contagion... but no way am I going nowhere near a hospital at this stage.
467  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 10, 2020, 02:07:07 PM
Consolidating at 2 pages/hour. Roll Eyes
BTFD.



Further, I hope I will be put in isolation the moment I touch Danish soil in 2-4 weeks (or shorter, depending).

Don't know whats on your mind, but it's not going to be like this,



but more like this:



Very strange indeed.

More like I don't wanna get my family infected. If I am sick, I'll know and get treatment. And if not, then it's at least a new experience.

I thought you wanted everyone infected. Make up your mind.
468  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 10, 2020, 12:32:49 PM
On February 27th, Italy had 600 people infected with coronavirus.

Today, it has 10,000 cases and the entire country is on lockdown.

That was *11 DAYS AGO.*

Guess how many the US has right now: 600.

THAT is exponential growth. Do the math

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1237134832070619137

When you go from 0 to 1 and then to 2 that is also exponential growth. All virus propagations start with exponential growth. It is too soon to assume the growth rate will not decline until all population gets infected. In fact, it "seems" in China there is no exponential growth anymore.

Not saying this is not serious. It is... just saying it is propagating as normally expected.
469  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2020, 09:24:42 PM
are you WO dudes crazy?

uh?  Roll Eyes

You really need to ask?
470  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2020, 09:03:31 PM
Guys, I hate to say it, I've been a long-term believer in BTC for a long time but it might be time to panic sell everything?
I'm joking lolz.

Yeah, sell everything, beginning with all your TP, and BTFD!  Grin
471  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2020, 08:13:27 PM
Madrid region orders to close all schools and universities for next 15 days.

Last infected count: 1300+
Deaths: 28
472  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2020, 02:11:20 PM


UPDATE:



It has been a long time since this trend line was broken. It should be at or near the bottom before continuing the trend.
473  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2020, 01:07:17 AM

UK       206        2      0.97%

2 deaths from 206 positivies is a 0.097%.

Maths is hard.

Lol.

Yeah, that's right, what was I thinking?

It is this which confused me:

Quote
Region   Positives  Death  P/D
China    80652      3070   3.81%
Italy    7375       366    4.96%
Germany  799        0      0
Spain    500        10     0.02%
US       2584       16     0.62%
UK       206        2      0.97%

The UK percentage is right, but it is the Spain one that is two orders of magnitude wrong.
474  Other / Meta / Re: Forum merit system on: March 08, 2020, 11:45:33 PM
I would argue that willingly or not, many of the most high-ranking members here subvert themselves to rules and preferences of the administration, other than actively taking part to forming new rules.
(...)
Features like merit fit the forum well but they were not made BY the community. Rather FOR it.

But it's a feature that was made in response to users requesting that something be done about spammers.  Users outlined the problem and requested that a change be made.  The administration acknowledged that and acted upon it.  For the most part, users support the improvements merit has brought.  There's just a small but vocal minority of antagonists (or perhaps even just one, lately) who would benefit from undoing such a positive change, and hopefully they will continue to be ignored, no matter how many sock-puppet accounts they create.

Notice how this doomed refuses to meet a challenge to debate  " such a positive" when clearly it is hugely negative.  Since this positive has been clearly debunked many times. It is such a negative.

Also very scared to debate the improvements that have been suggested many times.

Notice chipmixer, DT and probably merit source. Very positive for him.
Very negative for the entire forum.

This one run away from any challenge to confirm his words. Same for most member in meta. They like "subjectivity" this they can abuse for themselves.


You should get professional help for your obsessions. Not only you are wasting the time of many others... which it seems it is the lesser of your problems, but you are also wasting your life and whatever mental health you still have left with this trivial and pointless quixotic crusade.

And you all guys are doing him no favour feeding his mental issues each and every time. This must come to a stop. It's not fun anymore. I'm done here.
475  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2020, 09:10:29 PM
At 2% mortality and 70% infection you get less than 100 Million deaths worldwide.

At your 4% (which is nowhere close to the <1% that I've seen for people that aren't already half-dead anyways) and 100% infection rate we'd still get 300 million at worst.

And that's assuming that neither vaccines nor cures will be developed and distributed. In reality we'll see deaths far below 100 million spread over several years, which is pretty much normal business.

About 50 million people die on average per year worldwide.

It is safe to assume that Corona virus will just hasten that date for many people who would have died anyway due to their body aging or growing weaker.

The rest, car accidents, etc. will continue to happen as well.

Not quite. If someone dies from Coronavirus... they can't die in a car accident, etc... You can only die once.

It will be interesting to see the total deaths (from all causes) in one year and compare with previous ones. Maybe the cause will change but the total not so much?
476  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
Well it’s a good way to get spread in jail

You could have a point there... One that makes me think what will happen when jails start getting infected. It will happen.
477  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2020, 08:45:40 PM
In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

maybe. but what is the official statement of how Italy became so massive infected with the COVID-19? are there any explanations so far?

no idea if there's an official statement,
but here's one explanation https://summit.news/2020/03/05/coronavirus-patient-zero-in-italy-was-pakistani-migrant-who-refused-to-self-isolate/
again, sad

That’s what happens when you don’t have a social safety net.  There’s no point in him self isolating if he can’t pay his rent and is thrown out on the street.  

Maybe as part of this we will realize that we have to take care of our sick and vulnerable.  But probably not, we will just jail them instead. 

Jail them is more expensive. Way more.
478  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2020, 08:10:22 PM
Edit:

Filipone your numbers are out of date.  

There are 19 fatalities in the USA as of 30 minute ago with 484 cases.  

Which gives a fatality rate of about 4%



Similar in Spain with the latest figures:

600 infected, 17 deaths -> almost 3%

It's too soon to have accurate percentages with that small samples (of deaths).
479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2020, 08:04:16 PM

UK       206        2      0.97%

2 deaths from 206 positivies is a 0.097%. If they were using a simple spreadsheet that kind of error should not happen. That's why we can not trust any of those figures, and much less the skewed stats used as a data source.
480  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2020, 07:55:36 PM

No someone explain me:

  • What's wrong with Italy? (More death than any other countries, considering Positives: i.e. fatality rate?
  • What's wrong with Germany (Positives in line with other countries, no deaths)
  • What's wrong with US/UK (Very few death considering the positives)





I do think the problem is the data source for the stats. There may be differences in health system but not that much.

Things that I think could be relevant here:

- What percentage of the population has been tested for infection? If you only test the ones that come to the hospital in a very ill state you will surely have a very high death rate in comparison to the positives.

- As soon as the hospitals are overhelmed, the death rate do increase... probably a lot.

- If you don't test anyone, all deaths would be attributed to the secondary symptoms instead of the virus.

- There could be genetic and environmental differences, but no study has properly evidenced those.

- There are cultural differences in which citizens of some countries go to the hospital even for a little cold... and those that only go there when they are almost diying.

- There could be differences in the medical treatments... but I assume this would be coordinated and basically the same everywhere. It could be different in an earlier stage but now they all should know better. Or maybe not.........

Main reason, anyways, I would attribute to skewed statistics.

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