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521  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Mixin hack! CEO Begs Hackers To Return Funds and Take $20m Reward on: October 01, 2023, 01:22:07 PM
Say that a thief stole $200M worth of money and he will be so kind enough to return that money and get only $20M.
These kind of things are rare but happen sometimes. Back in 2021 Poly Network was hacked for $600M, which hacker eventually returned. In the end they offered him a reward and position of chief secrity advisor. Having said that, I doubt that its gonna happen in this case, but I guess it doesn't hurt to try,

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/11/22619272/poly-network-attack-600-million-cryptocurrency-theft-doge-ethereum-binance-return-defi

I hope the position was remote as I can't imagine this hacker guy coming to the office of the company he hacked, shaking hands with top managers of the company whose money he had stolen. That would be kinda weird!
522  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers? on: October 01, 2023, 11:08:27 AM
And ten years from now he will have made himself an even bigger fool to over 20 mill followers.

It kind of reminds me a bit of r/Buttcoin, which has been around since time immemorial... They have made names for themselves by being steadfast in their wrongness. I remember I tried to use a source for a bitcoin article I was writing one time and the editor told me, no, the guy from r/Buttcoin wrote that, he's a total chode, you can't use it.

Some other prominent anti-bitcoiners that were once active on the forum:

jonoiv
NotLambChop
RawDog (most likely a troll account)
MemoryDealers (he started turning to the darkside in early 2016, basically by arguing that Bitcoin Classic - later BCH - was the same thing as Bitcoin)

Oh yeah I remember them all (except for the RawDog guy). jonoiv was a real douchebag he appeared during dumps and mocked hodlers. Every single time. I can see his last activity on this forum was back in 2021. I guess he just accepted that Bitcoin is great and it's not going anywhere or just got tired of his own bs and people ignoring this delusional prick. Grin
523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers? on: October 01, 2023, 09:23:40 AM
At least one username sticks in my mind. The avatar of another username which I already forgot is still in my memory also.

Sometimes, their presence is needed especially when everybody is unreasonably bullish. For as long as they are also bringing with them some logic, or at least some sense, in their arguments, it doesn't hurt the forum to have them in certain discussions. It provides some good balance, although some of them are probably not really naysayers like Proudhon. He/she certainly owns Bitcoin and is pro-Bitcoin. He/she's just chilling.

Yeah, I agree on proudhon, he could be a massive hodler in disguise, making fun of everyone else here. I remember the "Proudhon song" aka "Bitcoin is a bubble". That was hilarious lol. He was trolling both the naysayers and maxis with his crazy predictions.

Quote from: Darker45
They're probably a lot better than many influencers who are always mega-bullish in their TAs as if Bitcoin will just take a straight line to the moon. Many newbies must have been carried away by how they present chart patterns as if something big is always about to come. These FOMO-inciters are probably more damaging to Bitcoin's reputation than some naysayers.

I haven't thought about this, interesting opinion. Perhaps you're right. Overly bullish expectations can be harmful too.
524  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Where are all the Bitcoin naysayers? on: September 30, 2023, 09:37:00 PM
I remember in good old days there was a bunch of notorious Bitcoin naysayers visiting this forum frequently. In particular, I can mention such accounts as Stolfi, Proudhon the llama and Roach (this nazi guy was hilarious actually). I'm sure many forum regulars remember them. There were many others as well, appearing from time to time, posting anti-bitcoin bs and FUD.

I have to admit that I rarely visit some parts of this forum, but I haven't seen any anti-Bitcoin accounts active recently. Why is that? There are no naysayers left? Lost interest in this forum? Or maybe I'm not attentive enough and they're still among us?  Grin  
525  Economy / Economics / Re: Russia's economy is 'imploding' on export decline, economists claim on: September 30, 2023, 07:56:58 PM
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Oh, you're still here? You need to defend your motherland in Donbas! I've heard they need more fighters ASAP! Stop trolling from the safety of your home, join your comrades on the front lines. And remember good news for you: now they're accepting retarded people as well!  Grin  

Anyways, getting back to the topic: your laughable claims are not supported by anything. No sources, no proof, nothing. Somehow, I'm not surprised. Stop spreading BS and lies. Please.


1. you can easily check any fact I have given you. Which is to be expected, I have never been able to do with your fantasies Smiley

2.Judging by the people I saw in the rf army in 2022, in the so-called "second army of the world" - they recruit ONLY mentally distant and moral degenerates there:) I don't understand why you don't defend the "brown Russian world" yet Smiley
But... you will soon have a great chance "Russia: Vladimir Putin signed a decree on conscription of 130 thousand people into the Russian army".

OMG, it's unbelievable but everything this guy is posting is a lie. Everything. By googling the latest headline you provided (no source mentioned as always) it's easy to find this:

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Sept 29 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree setting out the routine autumn conscription campaign, calling up 130,000 citizens for statutory military service, a document posted on the government website showed on Friday.

All men in Russia are required to do a year-long military service between the ages of 18 and 27, or equivalent training while in higher education.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-putin-signs-decree-autumn-military-conscription-2023-09-29/

So it turns out it's a routine conscription and the conscripts are not going to Ukraine. Who could have thought? It's a lie again.  Grin

Meanwhile, the support for Ukraine is fading day by day:



As you can see, if people were in charge not the governments, Ukraine wouldn't receive any support at all most probably. In particular, only 24% support the purchase and supply of military equipment to Ukraine!

All is good, Slava Ukraini!  Grin
526  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: September 30, 2023, 07:22:27 AM

Sakkari was able to win easily against Garcia. Took two seats back to back. she is going to face Pegula in the next match which is the semi-final of the Japan open.

Sakkari, who breathed a sigh of relief as champion in Guadalajara, continued this form in Tokyo and reached the semifinals without losing a set. Pegula, making her post US Open debut, also came back well from the break and reached the semifinals without losing a set against the likes of Bucsa and Kasatkina. I expect the two racquets, who are well matched on the court, to break the game upper barrier in this match, which they have comfortably surpassed in their last three matches.




Watching Sakkari v Pegula now. Things look good for Pegula as she is leading with an early break. It's 4:1 Pegula now and Sakkari looks tired after winning title in Guadalajara. Pegula had some rest after the US Open and this approach pays off atm.
527  Economy / Economics / Re: Russia's economy is 'imploding' on export decline, economists claim on: September 30, 2023, 07:19:02 AM
A bit of positive news from Russia Smiley

- VTB head predicts the dollar at 250 rubles in the transition to the Chinese model of the currency market
Russia's transition to the Chinese model of the currency market with the introduction of two ruble exchange rates will lead to a sharp decline in the domestic currency, said VTB CEO Andrei Kostin. "If we introduce two ruble exchange rates, we will have one at 150 and the other at 250, that's for sure," Kostin said at the International Banking Forum in Sochi.

- "Gazprom" reported a record in the history of gas production collapse. At the end of the first half of the year, Gazprom's production amounted to 179.45 billion cubic meters, the company said in its quarterly report. Compared to the same period of 2022, the volumes fell by 25%, and if compared to the pre-war period - by almost a third: in January-June 2021, Gazprom produced 260.8 billion cubic meters. Never in the three decades of its history has the world's largest gas company reduced production so rapidly.

- Budget expenditures for Putin's maintenance will be increased by 20%. The maintenance of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the next three years will cost Russian taxpayers 74.7 billion rubles. This amount for the "functioning" of the head of state the government has laid down in the draft federal budget for 2024-26, which was submitted to the State Duma on Friday.

- Russia faces a shortage of black bread. Rye of the first, second and third classes will make up about 97% of the entire harvest, but 59% of this volume will be of the third class, which is a poor quality indicator

- Russian farmers are under the threat of mass bankruptcies after the withdrawal of foreign grain traders. Monopolization of the grain market following the departure of foreign players who left Russia after the outbreak of war in Ukraine has brought thousands of farms to the brink of bankruptcy.
Grain traders are buying grain below the cost of production and this is destroying the economy of farms, a member of the State Duma committee for agrarian issues, Sergey Lisovsky, has said.

Oh, you're still here? You need to defend your motherland in Donbas! I've heard they need more fighters ASAP! Stop trolling from the safety of your home, join your comrades on the front lines. And remember good news for you: now they're accepting retarded people as well!  Grin 

Anyways, getting back to the topic: your laughable claims are not supported by anything. No sources, no proof, nothing. Somehow, I'm not surprised. Stop spreading BS and lies. Please.
528  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] Sherbet.com 🍭 Signature Campaign | Reward up-to $130/w on: September 29, 2023, 09:58:55 AM
Thanks for accepting me. Avatar, sig and personal text updated. Current post count: 3604

P.S. Please remove me from Mixin Safe campaign.
529  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Re: Mixin hack! CEO Begs Hackers To Return Funds and Take $20m Reward on: September 29, 2023, 09:51:54 AM
$20M Bug bounty reward?!  Roll Eyes
I don't know if this is true statement or not, but it sounds like a desperate move from Mixin CEO...
I said many times that using cloud for anything serious is worst thing you can do, that is just computer from someone else.
In last few days I saw several users claiming on social media how they lost coins in this hack, but I didn't see any proof for their claims.
Strange thing in this situation is that all Mixin websites work as usual for me, and there are no information about this hack.

Furthermore, it's not even clear what was the origin of the funds and why Mixin were keeping it (apparently in a hot wallet). Were those users' funds? Then why nobody is complaining? Which service of Mixin stored so many coins? Wallet? Messenger?  Shocked

Could be private investigators who rather keep their loses private than coming on social media to look like an idiot for keep such funds online in the first place. It was the Mixin safe I guess.

Well, I don't work for Mixin Safe but I guess Mixin Safe is still in beta and the number of users is still very low. And surely this service can't hold $200m in funds it simply doesn't have some many users. Mixin's most popular product/service is a messaging software but I'm not sure how it's monetized or how can it keep users' funds.
530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin October Month Performance on: September 29, 2023, 09:33:59 AM
Bitcoin October Month Performance

🟢2013 → 60.79%
🟢2015 → 33.49%
🟢2016 → 14.71%
🟢2017 → 47.81%
🟢2019 → 10.17%
🟢2020 → 27.7%
🟢2021 → 39.93%
🟢2022 → 5.56%
⚪2023 → ?? %

What do you think?
How much will Bitcoin pump this October? 👀

Comment Your opinion ⬇️


At least 10% pump incoming. October has been really bullish for Bitcoin so far and this year this bullishness will be supported by the approaching halving. On the other hand, the pre-halving year is mostly sideways, so it would be very unexpected if we'll reach $50k for example.
531  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Legal Tender in Central African Republic on: September 29, 2023, 09:22:12 AM
Rome was not built in a day, however the network effects** in bitcoin keep building (and growing).. whether you want to believe (or recognize) it or not.

**Referring to those 7 network effects outlined by Trace Mayer.

In other words, there is no need to show a complete country or a complete system operating on bitcoin in order for bitcoin to be successful because little by little bitcoin is getting into each and all countries.. and still bitcoin is likely less than 1% of the world's population of adoption - scattered all over the world.. so bitcoin exists in an overwhelming number of countries around the world.. but for sure in no kind of a dominant way.. because bitcoin is existing side by side with various fiat systems that are likely going to continue to lose more and more of their value into bitcoin.. so in that regard, we have the greatest wealth transfer in the world going on right before our eyes, even if some people (probably and overwhelming majority of the people because otherwise they would already own some) are failing/refusing to see it.

Exactly this. Bitcoin is only 14 years old give it some time. People were laughing at the inventors and early users of cars, planes, TV, internet but look where these technologies are now! So, has Bitcoin changed the world? Not yet, but it has potential to do it in future.
532  Economy / Economics / Re: Our future with renewable energy. on: September 29, 2023, 09:07:01 AM
Some countries and regions have already achieved or are close to achieving this goal, such as Iceland, Brazil, New Zealand’s South Island, Denmark’s Samsø island, and Germany’s Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Schleswig-Holstein regions. These examples show that 100% renewable energy is not only feasible but also desirable for a sustainable future.

I don't think these regions depend 100% on renewable energy or are climate-neutral or something. Even if the public/government is using and providing exclusively renewable energy it's not true for private individuals who still drive diesel cars, use natural gas or wood pellets for heating etc. In order to become truly climate-neutral you have to make 100% of population use renewable energy, which is not feasible atm. All in all, this climate/eco/renewable energy situation can be best described with saying "too little too late". We have already passed the point of no return according to ecologists and climate activists and only started doing something to prevent it.
533  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: USB Mining on: September 29, 2023, 08:35:37 AM
Hello everyone

Usb Bitcoin Miner ! is that recommended for a newbie?

im willing to start mining using 6 of those USB but im not sure how and where to start

if anyone have tried this please give us some TIPS or advice please

My tip would be to forget about this idea. Just buy $300 worth of Bitcoin and hodl. You are guaranteed to earn more eventually. No, I mean why are they even still making these USB sticks? What's the point? Just for testing/educational purposes?  Grin
534  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Banking scams ...How are Bitcoin better? on: September 29, 2023, 08:22:24 AM
The Banks are continuously improving their service with offering that are more user-friendly and easy to use. One example of this are "Contactless Card Payments" where you tap your card for small purchases.

The scammers have figured out how to use that service to their advantage... by simply tapping it continuously (if it is not limited) and if it requires a pin... by watching you and following you after you have made a purchase. (They then take your card by force and physically tap it until your account are empty)

They also use card skimming devices to "clone" your card and use pin hole cameras to capture your pin while you are typing it. They can even bump into you with a device that will initiate a small purchase from your card that can "tap"  Roll Eyes

Your credit card are constantly under attack, when you use it online and your Banking Apps are making you a target, because they only need access to you to force you to enter your pin... then they can change daily limits and transfer as much money as they like. (Local criminal syndicates work with Bank employees to identify potential targets.)

So, I was thinking... How can Bitcoin be better? Can we find better solutions for these attacks and will these solutions still give us ease of use? (No complexity but still user-friendly)

Share your experience with these Banking problems and give possible solutions for this, because we will draw a lot of people to Bitcoin, if we find innovative solutions to problems like this.  Wink

Now, more and more people are using Apple Pay or Google Wallet which eliminates most of the issues you have mentioned in your post. Frankly, I don't even remember when I had to use my plastic card for the last time.

As to the Bitcoin vs banks discussion, I guess mostly it depends on how you treat your money/assets not the technology you're using. Breaking some basic safety rules will lead to losing your funds and/or coins.
535  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Navigating Bitcoin ATMs While Traveling. Tips and Considerations on: September 29, 2023, 07:54:33 AM
Anyone here has any solid advice and heads up on the use of Bitcoin ATM. I'll be traveling to a new city and I'm learning there are a couple of Bitcoin ATM I'm the city. I'm looking to use one in the restaurant
where it is located in . I just want to know if there's any heads up or I should avoid it and pay in Bitcoin without using an ATM?
Thanks

Never used one in my life. If you need to withdraw why don't just order a Bitcoin debit card? The fees at the ATMs are so insanely high there's really no reason to use them, except for if you're desperate to stay anonymous/avoid KYC.
536  Economy / Economics / Re: Chase Bank New Policy On Crypto - Users Beware !!! on: September 28, 2023, 10:51:39 PM
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I have been here longer enough to know how crypto bear market always feels like

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as this news always appears at the end of the downward curve

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I think its normal to see this kind of negative news especially in the bear market

I'm just not sure why many people think we're in a bear market? Guys, take a look at the graphs of each and every previous cycle. There were no major dumps roughly 6 months before the halving. You seriously think we're going below 13 or 14k during this cycle?
537  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Re: Mixin hack! CEO Begs Hackers To Return Funds and Take $20m Reward on: September 28, 2023, 08:09:57 PM
$20M Bug bounty reward?!  Roll Eyes
I don't know if this is true statement or not, but it sounds like a desperate move from Mixin CEO...
I said many times that using cloud for anything serious is worst thing you can do, that is just computer from someone else.
In last few days I saw several users claiming on social media how they lost coins in this hack, but I didn't see any proof for their claims.
Strange thing in this situation is that all Mixin websites work as usual for me, and there are no information about this hack.

Furthermore, it's not even clear what was the origin of the funds and why Mixin were keeping it (apparently in a hot wallet). Were those users' funds? Then why nobody is complaining? Which service of Mixin stored so many coins? Wallet? Messenger?  Shocked
538  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: September 28, 2023, 08:00:57 PM
Quarterfinals of Toray Pacific WTA in Tokyo look promising:

Swiatek v V.Kudermetova

Pavlyuchenkova v Alexandrova

Garcia v Sakkari

Kasatkina v Pegula

All matches definitely have a three set potential. Pavlyuchenkova is on fire atm, she could cause some serious problems for the fellow Russian. Garcia v Sakkari I guess no comments are necessary, both players are of a very high level. Kasatkina has also been playing very good lately, normally I'd say Pegula but this time it's unclear with the American being tired after a very intensive and successful season and the Russian has chances with her exhausting defensive play.
539  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Mixin hack! CEO Begs Hackers To Return Funds and Take $20m Reward on: September 28, 2023, 07:24:30 PM
They are offering a $20m bounty to the Lazarus group out of the $200m scammed.
Do you have a source for this statement? It's not in your screenshot, and I haven't found any evidence that the Lazarus Group is behind this.
A $20M bug bounty might work for a hacker who's in over his head, and $20M is enough to lead a very luxurious life without having to launder $200M and being on the lookout for the rest of your life. But if it's North Korean state hackers, none of this applies. They're lucky if they get food tonight.

The Lazarus group are the number one suspect as of now although investigation is still ongoing.

@OP we already have Mixin Safe hack thread ([url]https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467994.0)so[/url] why not share this there instead spreading conversation across several threads.
I didn't realise it until now because I was just reading the discussion on the project's main ANN and didn't think it was proper to discuss it there because the OP could easily lock the thread now that the service is down. However, my updates are more appropriate for this board.


More updates!

Could it be an inside job?


One year before the hack:

June 18, 2022: 0x1795, an address connected to the hack, received 5 $ETH from Mixin (0xB0Cf). This address transferred 51 $ETH to address 0xd07A on August 6, 2021 and deposited 5.9 $ETH on Binance (0x4b83) on July 5, 2022.

October 20, 2022: ETH miner 0xab3B sent 118 $ETH to 0xfc73, a user of Gate.io and OKX.

November 9, 2022: Mixin address(0xB0Cf) sent 10,000 $ETH to 0x5D5a.

September 16, 2023: 0x5D5a sent 100 $ETH in gas to 0x4701.

During the hack:

September 22, 2023: 0xfc73 sent 0.5 $ETH in gas to 0x52e8, a wallet connected to the Mixin hack. This wallet holds $94M worth of $ETH.

September 22, 2023: 0xd07A sent 50 $ETH as gas to 0xb5d6, another hack-related wallet holding $71,000 in $ETH, moments before the attack. This transfer was done so that the hacker could disperse tokens from Mixin's addresses through 0x52E8 for the attack.

September 22, 2023: 0xb5d6 (hacker wallet) sent 0.3 $ETH as gas to 0x3b5f, an address that swapped USDT into DAI to avoid being frozen out of stolen funds.

September 23, 2023: Disperse.app address 0xD152 sent 0.0025 $ETH in gas to Mixin wallet 0x68EF. It is likely that the hacker used Disperse.app to distribute tokens.

After the hack:

September 23, 2023: One hour after the hack, Mixin user 0x6e05 retrieved 30 $ETH from the platform, perhaps sensing that a hack was taking place.

September 25, 2023: Mixin announced the stoppage of deposits and withdrawals, two days after it got hacked for $200M.

September 25, 2023: Mixin wallets sent 988 $UNI to a hacker-related address (0xCD65) that now holds $8M in crypto assets.

September 25-26, 2023: Mixin wallets sent $9M worth of crypto funds, including $HMT, $UNI, $ETH, and $USDC, to 0x4701.

September 26, 2023: 0x68EF, a Mixin wallet that received gas from the hacker (0xD152), transferred $USDC and $HMT to 0x4701. It is likely that 0x4701 is an address controlled by Mixin to secure their remaining tokens, although Mixin has yet to confirm this.

More can be found Here for the Blockchain specialists.

Yeah, this does look suspicious. Also not clear why they did only announce the hack two days after it actually happened? At this point there are more questions than answers...

As to the bug bounty, it could actually work (only if it's not an inside job  Grin) as the criminals won't need to launder that money and risk being caught.
540  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Mixin Safe: A Convenient and Decentralized Multisig + MPC + Timelock solution on: September 28, 2023, 07:17:43 AM
I've seen several incorrect posts by now. To be clear: Mixin lost $200M, not Mixin Safe.

As far as I've seen, only Mixin Network is mentioned and within that, there are different groups of services. Mixin Safe, MixPay, Mixin Wallet, Mixin Messenger maybe something else. Apart from the statement "Mixin Network's cloud service provider was attacked by hackers", I have not seen anything more detailed about which part was the subject of the attack

Yeah they all definitely belong to the same person/entity. It's yet unclear though which part of their network got hit or which app had the vulnerability which lead to such a tragic outcome. I also haven't seen any official press release or statement by Mixin group employees. Mixin Safe was in beta I believe but still they will at least have to change name/rebrand if they're planning to develop it further.
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