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541  Other / Meta / Re: The Signature Campaigns would have to be optional in using the forum? on: November 25, 2020, 11:44:03 PM
I am considering the possibility of applying to a signature campaign, I have not done it yet because almost all signature campaigns require changing the avatar for its image
The avatar is a personal image of each user, I believe that the decision to use the avatar field in a campaign should be optional, not mandatory

Roll Eyes

<—snip—> I only suggest that the user decide freely if they want to <—snip—>

this is nullius being succinct.  “concision breeds precision”, &c.

542  Other / Serious discussion / Judge concurs with nullius: Keys = titular ownership (vs. beneficial ownership) on: November 25, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
N.b. that this discussion invokes some concepts from the common law of Great Little Britain and its whilom colonies.  Legal concepts and technicalities may significantly differ in non-common-law jurisdictions, such as in Continental Europe’s civil law jurisdictions.


I take the position that Bitcoin is a bearer asset.  And though I can’t be sure without reading the opinion, from the short description in OP, it appears there is a legal nuance that others have missed here:

Quote
Today 8 April 2020 Justice Gendall delivered his judgement, finding firstly cryptocurrencies are “property” within the definition outlined in s2 of the Companies Act 1993 and secondly that account holders cryptocurrency were held on multiple trusts, separated by individual crypto-asset type. This means that the cryptocurrencies are beneficially owned by the account holders and are not assets of the company.

Bearer assets such as cash, gold bullion, or old-fashioned bearer bonds can be held in trust for the benefit (“beneficial ownership”) of another.  This neither changes the nature of the bearer asset, nor absolves the trustee of legally enforceable fiduciary duties to the beneficiary.  Much as I can tell from the above snippet, the judge in this case seems to have imposed a constructive trust on the coins.

The word “beneficial” is key here!  A beneficial owner is not necessarily the titular owner.  On my educated guess from reading between the lines, I think that the court in this case seems to have ruled (or at least strongly implied) that, in substantial effect, possession of the keys is titular ownership.  The gravamen of the ruling would thus concur with I have been saying all along:

If you are a custodial exchange, etc., then you may be holding title to that Bitcoin as a nominee, or (quite arguably) a bailee, or some other legal concept which may be logical to apply.  However, account-holders at custodial exchanges are not the titular owners of any Bitcoin at all, in my opinion.  If you don’t have the private keys, then it is not your Bitcoin:  It is somebody else’s Bitcoin; and that somebody else, the titular owner of the Bitcoin, has contractually agreed to let you excercise beneficial ownership of some sort.

My suggestion of a contract-law theory would be legally distinguishable from the apparent trust-law theory in this judge’s ruling; but it would have a similar practical effect.  It is fully compatible with the “not your keys, not your coins” Bitcoin Weltanschauung.



To forum users, the nature of the argument may be more obvious if you consider the PGP-signed obligations of a forum escrow agent.  The escrow agent is holding the coins.  The coins are not, however, an “asset” of the escrow agent, but rather, a liability.  (It is why escrow agents get paid fees...)

If an escrow agent betrays his duties, then—well, good luck retrieving the coins with red-trust “judgments”!  —Similarly in different degree as for court judgments against insolvent exchanges.  That is the meaning of “not your keys, not your coins.”

any statutory precedent is meaningless if it cannot be enforced (and hence such things are in no way any kind of law at all).

Technical nitpick, because I am technical:  As you subsequently seem to imply, it is a judicial precedent, not statutory.

Much though I am sympathetic to this statement in principle, there will always be tension between the desires of those who would govern, and the practical limitations on their power.  Bitcoin directly exploits this tension.  In an era when governments and their owners, the banks have been attempting to replace all bearer assets with identity-based assets, Bitcoin’s nature as a bearer asset pushes us back toward the wiser, freer era of bullion, cash notes, and bearer bonds—with the added benefit that Bitcoin can be transferred around the world with the press of a button.

For better or for worse, courts will attempt to adjudicate disputes over the allegedly proper ownership of bearer assets.  As you say, it comes down to a question of enforceability.

Possession is nine-tenths of the law.  Always has been, always will be!  Possession of the keys equals possession of the coins.  Bearer asset.

Knowing Bitcoin private keys and in turn the blockchain enforcing their ownership are a law unto themselves, far more powerful than any judicial or statutory pronouncements. that was Satoshi's clear intention from the very start

I like.

It is the anarchy of those who love order, and impose order first on themselves:  They who live by honour and not law.  They must become laws unto themselves.  [...]  You are a law unto yourself.  [...]  Be your own authority.


Context stripped, because it’s funnier this way:
Would you wander in and call HM Queen 'property'?
Or that Trump fella?

Do you really want to ask me that question?  ;-)

Seriously, they are both property:  Both are owned by the banks.  “HM Queen” of Great Little Britain is property of the Bank of England, and the “President” of those whilom American colonies is property of the Federal Reserve.  Both nominal owners negotiate the finer details of global International governance through the BIS, IMF, et al.

Did you say “sovereign”?  Sorry, that concept is obsolete—not modern!  Anyway...


Most important things imho:
* KYC will be needed in the claims process
* no private coins have been used to pay off debts (yet?)
* returns will be in crypto where possible (which is logical in light of the judgment in the OP)

* KYC = WTF

For the sake of argument, pretend that the judgment were about gold coins held in a depository that went bankrupt.  Of course, it is logical that the gold itself should be returned—unless it could not be recovered.  In the latter case, it would be better to attempt recovering some value than none at all.
543  Economy / Reputation / Re: PSA: Screenshots are not more secure than quotes, and are harder to read. (Etc.) on: November 25, 2020, 08:07:39 PM
@nulius you're kinda becoming like TOAA/cryptohunter. Friendly advice: Long posts like these isn't helping anyone. Keep it small and precise.

I have been making long posts since December 2017; have you seen my post history?  Unlike cryptohunter’s posts, mine are cogent and legible, and express new thoughts rather than only repeating the same drivel ad maximam nauseam; to compare me to him says more about you than about me.

Anyway, I am here because this forum is not a total idiot-site like Reddit (or worse, Twitter).

Unlike Discourse, the software will be featureful and information-dense. Unlike Reddit, the software will support and encourage lengthy, high-quality posts (while allowing shorter posts).


I agree screenshots may not always be fully secured, reliable or even real for that matter. But the parties involved here don't seem to be kind of people who would fake a screenshot. Besides, like Marlboroza said, peloso hasn't disagreed with it, for what its worth.

I never questioned the authenticity of efialtis’ screenshots, which I presume to be true copies of the evidence.  Perhaps you may try reading what I said:

A screenshot is no better proof than a quote; and a quote is much easier to read.  If your word can be trusted about the authenticity of a screenshot, then you can be trusted to provide a quote—whereas if a quote from you is untrustworthy, then so is a screenshot!

[...]

For the sake of ocular health and safety, and to avoid a false sense of security, please stop using screenshots in situations whereby a visual depiction is not required.  Thank you.

I saw efialtis’ evidence as sufficiently important that I spent my time and effort reconstructing it in a more usable format.

Counterproductive use of screenshots is an ongoing problem on this forum.  It has long irritated me, my security sense, and my poor, tired eyes.  Therefore, obiter dictum, I have taken the opportunity to request that people use quotes, when a quote will suffice—and to explain why.

I am attempting to educate the users.
544  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nullian Verification: Post your PGP keys and timestamped statements here! on: November 25, 2020, 07:25:31 PM
PSA:  Use crypto!


Please help to support this timestamp server’s trustless blockchain timestamping.  (It is not mine; I do not benefit from this!)

This is an OpenTimestamps Calendar Server (v0.5.0)

Pending commitments: 21
Transactions waiting for confirmation: 1
Most recent unconfirmed timestamp tx: None (0 prior versions)
Most recent merkle tree tip: None
Best-block: 0000000000000000000a7ab152e6f454737d5f84dc95de809a44fa31e480f207, height 658644

Wallet balance: 0.02506021 BTC

You can donate to the wallet by sending funds to:

bc1q2fl3ux03qyng39mx8d0dxc3jrsv5kl3d8q5mw5

Average time between transactions in the last week: 2.71 hours
Fees used in the last week: 0.00107453 BTC

Latest mined transactions (confirmations):

a3fa8c9c7d52302a93c19f4c4c3b1aac2f9d548c0eb8d674ea90fa378d40d3b2 (1)
[...]

See also Bob, Finney, and Catallaxy.



2020-11-25:  The timestamped file:

Code:
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Hash: SHA512

Bitcoin Forum name: nullius
Bitcoin Forum userid: 976210
PGP primary key: C2E91CD74A4C57A105F6C21B5A00591B2F307E0C

# Ten most-recent Bitcoin block hashes:

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To verify the timestamp, you must save the signed statement with Unix line endings ('\n') and a single final line-terminator on the last line.  (No blank line at the end.)  Exclusively for ease of checking that the file is saved correctly, here is its SHA256 hash:

Code:
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The OTS file (base64ed):

(The following will be edited when the “complete” OTS is available, following adequate confirmations on the Bitcoin blockchain.)

Code:
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545  Economy / Reputation / Re: PSA: Screenshots are not more secure than quotes, and are harder to read. (Etc.) on: November 25, 2020, 06:34:11 PM


What, does the forum (and especially, Democratic DT) consist of five-year-olds who prefer pictures to text?  (No, wait—don’t answer that.)

Screenshots are awful for:

  • The imperfect eyesight of anyone over the age of forty.
  • Copying and pasting text for further discussion.
  • Mobile devices with small screens.
  • Screen readers for the blind.
  • ...USABILITY NIGHTMARE...

N.b. that not all of those use cases can be adequately served by right-clicking to view the image outside the forum’s CSS styling.

besides, peloso didn't disagree with screenshots :

peloso’s opinion is always irrelevant.

...so they must be real. It has been always like that, Bob says something, then Alice says it is not true, then Bob quote some words, then Alice ask them to provide screenshot then Bob post screenshot.

This is what I am against, and why I am taking the screenshot issue so seriously:  Security theatre provides a false sense of security!

This forum is riddled with asinine security-theatre stupidity, especially the public “I verified this signature!” statements in key-staking threads.
Nullian Verification
Local rules: [...]
Do not publicly say that you have verified a statement.  This gives a false sense of security, and tends to inculcate in the public a habit of relying others to “verify”, instead of verifying for themselves.  This is crypto!

If Bob and Alice play the little dance that you describe, then they are wrong—and you know better.  They should learn that a screenshot has no greater evidentiary value than a quote.  I am attempting to educate the users.

I myself only use screenshots of forum posts or PMs when I wish to illustrate a point that could not be adequately conveyed by plain text—for example, or for a contrary example.

It is for the greater good of the forum that SOON, I WILL BANE USERS WHO POST SCREENSHOTS WHEN A QUOTE WOULD SUFFICE!  MUAHAHAHA!
^^^ Alice and Bob, take notice:
...so they must be real. It has been always like that...



Back on topic:  peloso used *extremely* improper tactics to attempt to influence efialtis’ trust list.  I will let the PM exchange speak for itself.

Because trust system abuse is actually an important forum issue, I have reconstructed the PMs from efialtis’ screenshots, including compensation for his Greek timezone.  Timestamps should show in the timezone that you have in your local forum settings.  By the way, observe how peloso expects instant responses to his all-important demands. Roll Eyes

I prefer to use this as the reference link for my own feedback.  For those who wish to do likewise, an anchor tag has been provided so that your reference link can skip the above discussion of screenshots.

hii
recommend you to include me to your trust list Cool

hii
recommend you to include me to your trust list Cool



Hey Smiley

Why is that? I am not so much into the politics here to be honest but I didn’t like that continuous „war“ you guys are having.

this is not my war and not i began this
you distrusted me for their ( gangs )
but you must know i can answer
i not want distrust you cos i bot know you
but if i do it you will out from D1

hii
recommend you to include me to your trust list Cool



Hey Smiley

Why is that? I am not so much into the politics here to be honest but I didn’t like that continuous „war“ you guys are having.

you not so much into the politics but you honestly distrusted me ((

i see nothing changed  Angry
ok i distrust you to and you out of from D1

it may change in the future anytime you want


For the record:  I have been preparing an action against peloso since on or about 9 November.  That is the reason for my interest in this thread, and not vice versa.  (It has been competing for priority with three other cases, two of which are definitely more important than peloso.  “It’s done when it’s done.”)
546  Economy / Speculation / [WO] The Gresham’s Law of account rank and grandfathered merits on: November 25, 2020, 04:36:44 PM
The shitty thing is, I just realized that now my profile looks as if I'm a pré-Merit member who's never succeeded in getting more than 8 Merits during his entire membership on these boards.

Feels a bit like downgrading as a "big" 12-year-old kid in elementary school back down to suddenly being a junior in high school. Cool

^^^ THIS!!!

Discussion transplanted:  The Gresham’s Law of account rank and grandfathered merits.

I have been complaining about the “grandfathered” merits since February–March 2018.  Now, I look like some idiotic “Legendary” who has earned only 1045 merits.  Roll Eyes  Did theymos learn nothing from monetary policy, Gresham’s Law, etc.?

[...]

Youthful accounts with high merit are glamorous.  Highly-ranked accounts don’t look like wise elders, thanks to the inflationary effect of grandfathered merits:  They look like people who have just been shitposting for a very long time.



friends1980, congratulations on the new rank.  Though wouldn’t it be much sweeter if you could dispense with the 100 grandfathered merits, and celebrate self-made Hero bragging rights after you have earned 500 merits?  At the rate that you are now going, it will not take long!

Anyway, a toast with something other than Chianti:

(buy your stock of champagne for the next 3 years people Wink - prices are ridiculously low atm, since meetings and parties are forbidden, therefore there's a huge overstock)

🥂 🍾
547  Other / Meta / The Gresham’s Law of account rank and grandfathered merits on: November 25, 2020, 04:32:17 PM
Transplanted from the Wall Observer:

While BTC is flirting with its ATH, I reached a new ATH forum rank. I'm not much for self-glorifying rank-up threads in the Reputation boards, yet wanted to say sincere thx to everyone who helped me get here. I've had a ball (only one, not two #nohomo) until now, and I'm planning to keep that spirit up. Thx.

So, what's new? Smiley
Congrats for your new achievement for me its really dream as I also join this clube hopefully this will happen even very long way to go but doing good with positive mind.

Thx mate. The shitty thing is, I just realized that now my profile looks as if I'm a pré-Merit member who's never succeeded in getting more than 8 Merits during his entire membership on these boards.

Feels a bit like downgrading as a "big" 12-year-old kid in elementary school back down to suddenly being a junior in high school. Cool

^^^ THIS!!!

I have been complaining about the “grandfathered” merits since February–March 2018.  Now, I look like some idiotic “Legendary” who has earned only 1045 merits.  Roll Eyes  Did theymos learn nothing from monetary policy, Gresham’s Law, etc.?

For my part, I have taken to checking post histories before I award merit to those I’ve never seen before—especially those at the Newbie and Jr. ranks, and those in upper ranks who seem to have earned little or nothing above their “grandfathered” merit.  Not a few times, I have backed away from the merit button after a glance at post history revealed bounty posts or other spammish behaviour.  Also, I have recently developed a policy of never awarding more than +1 per post to a Newbie; since this is unfair, I have a very short list of posts to which I plan to return in a few months and add more merit, if I see evidence that the person still deserves it.

For me, it is especially bad because I registered my account 8 months before I started posting; and I have had a total of 23 months of major gaps in my post history.  I have zero grandfathered meritsall of my merits are earned—and yet, a naïve glance at my registration date would imply that I have at least 250 grandfathered merits, if not (after I reach higher activity) 500 or 1000.

The way the system is built, I am tempted to abandon this account after it reaches “Hero” activity (— because my signature PGP key fingerprint deserves background un-colours! —), and reboot with an alt account.  (If I don’t really retire altogether.)

Youthful accounts with high merit are glamorous.  Highly-ranked accounts don’t look like wise elders, thanks to the inflationary effect of grandfathered merits:  They look like people who have just been shitposting for a very long time.



friends1980, congratulations on the new rank.  Though wouldn’t it be much sweeter if you could dispense with the 100 grandfathered merits, and celebrate self-made Hero bragging rights after you have earned 500 merits?  At the rate that you are now going, it will not take long!

Anyway, a toast with something other than Chianti:

(buy your stock of champagne for the next 3 years people Wink - prices are ridiculously low atm, since meetings and parties are forbidden, therefore there's a huge overstock)

🥂 🍾
548  Economy / Speculation / Re: [WO] Overinvested in money on: November 25, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
overinvested in bitcoin

It’s funny.  I never hear people say, “overinvested in (dollars|euros|whatever)”.  ;-)

Can one be overinvested in money?  Is that like allocating too much cash in your portfolio?

Yes, from a financial perspective, you can be overinvested in $, € or whatever kind of asset. It's all just about balancing/hedging a portfolio. YMMV.

It is sound thinking!  You avoid some deleterious illusions.

Most people think of buying Bitcoin as an “investment”, and selling Bitcoin as “cashing out” into what is not perceived as an investment.

Whereas I never perceived Bitcoin as an “investment”.  (I would be richer if I did.)  It’s just my savings.  I used to keep my savings primarily in paper cash; now, I keep my savings primarily in Bitcoin.  *shrug*

With Bitcoin, due to its extraordinarie appreciation over time, it is somewhat easy to become "overinvested"... even if that was intended or not.

I am probably "overinvested" in Bitcoin currently... but YOLO. Again, YMMV.

* nullius is jealous:  I wish that I were “overinvested” in Bitcoin!  :'-(''''''

If the state accepted BTC for taxes, I wouldn't have this "problem".
Fyi, my state doesn't. Hence "overinvested".

Sure, understood.

I could make one for the ECB and European states, too:

Meanwhile, sheep are made mutton.


I said “conjoined twins” for a reason.  Study history, economics, and political philosophy.
It is no accident that they arrived almost simultaneously—both with roots
c. 1909 from earlier seeds, both signed by Wilson in 1913.
They are parts of an integral system.
549  Economy / Speculation / Re: [WO] Overinvested in money on: November 25, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
overinvested in bitcoin

It’s funny.  I never hear people say, “overinvested in (dollars|euros|whatever)”.  ;-)

Can one be overinvested in money?  Is that like allocating too much cash in your portfolio?


Firing at random, for I am now something like 20 pages behind WO.  ATH yet?

If all your bills are denominated in bitcoin, then no problem to keep all your money in bitcoin -otherwise, if you have bills in dollars, you might be forced to reallocate some of those 100% bitcoins into dollars in order to make good on those bills.. and you may end up making such conversion at a time that is not of your choosing.

Point taken—as consistent with hard experience, personally.  My remark was tongue-in-cheek, wink-wink ;-), just because I am unavoidably amused at the notion of being “overinvested” in money.

If I walk up to any random business and ask them if they will take bitcoins to settle or to render a good or service, there are pretty low odds that such random business is going to agree to transact with me in bitcoin.. because likely their first response would be, "what's that?"  No one wants to appear dumb, of course, so they might fake it and they may have even heard of it, but they are not set up with an ability to receive bitcoin, an they might be reluctant to set up such ability, especially if they are approached from random peep (namely yours truly) off of the street.

The last time that I tried this, the response was dismissive:  “It may go to zero.”  The business proprietor knew what Bitcoin was.  He thought that it was a stupid idea.

That was when Bitcoin was in the doldrums around $4k–5k for a long time.  Maybe I should try it during a FOMO bull run, rather than a bear market.

I do think that business owners should immediately swap to Tethers* the exact amount that they project they will need to cover their fiat-denominated Accounts Payable in the short term (approximately the marginal cost to them of the underlying merchant transaction), for the reason that you state to me personally:  Losses and potential insolvency are bad for business, too!

I have considered writing software to support this, but it got kicked down on the priorities list...  It is something that BTCPay Server should consider, to solve their weak point that keeps many businesses stuck on outsourced payment acceptance.  (Many ideas here, will omit for now.)


* Much better than using Shitpay!
550  Economy / Speculation / [WO] Overinvested in money on: November 25, 2020, 05:19:08 AM
overinvested in bitcoin

It’s funny.  I never hear people say, “overinvested in (dollars|euros|whatever)”.  ;-)

Can one be overinvested in money?  Is that like allocating too much cash in your portfolio?


Firing at random, for I am now something like 20 pages behind WO.  ATH yet?
551  Economy / Speculation / [WO] The Wall Observer’s velocity as a market indicator on: November 25, 2020, 01:15:16 AM
Thread seems pretty dead for beating on a new ATH no?

I call troll.

In approximately the past four days, I missed about a zillion pages of WO just because it is moving too fast, and I do not currently have time even to skim it.

Is that itself a market indicator?  ;-)
552  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nullian Self-Moderation Policy on: November 25, 2020, 12:58:47 AM
Idiots who think it’s cool to show some sort of petty defiance against a self-moderated thread’s clearly stated local rules:

What the fuck is this shit. I get my name pinged and end up in a self-mod thread with three ignored posts LOL.

Pro tip nullius: mentioning my nick over and over again is not gonna trick me into reading your rants so you might as well give it up. Gotta implement ignore in my notification thingy now, thanks for wasting my time.
Pro tip suchmoon:  Mentions of you may be intended primarily for others, not for you.  Although this mention was for you, so that you could take notice of my threads’ local rules, and obey them.

reserved

What, are the two of you eight years old?  Will you next blow me a raspberry and say, “nyah, nyah”?  You are as bad as cryptohunter, TECSHARE, hacker1001101001, and Vispilio.


Anyone who considers posting in self-moderated threads run by these users should take notice:  suchmoon and nutildah trash posts that respect their threads’ local rules, but gleefully show off their total disrespect for the rules set by others.
553  Economy / Reputation / PSA: Screenshots are not more secure than quotes, and are harder to read. (Etc.) on: November 25, 2020, 12:22:56 AM

All the n00bs who don’t verify PGP signatures will now bow down to me.
Muahahahaha!

Why does everyone use screenshots?

PSA:  Screenshots are trivial to fake.  A screenshot is no better proof than a quote; and a quote is much easier to read.  If your word can be trusted about the authenticity of a screenshot, then you can be trusted to provide a quote—whereas if a quote from you is untrustworthy, then so is a screenshot!

The above is a real screenshot, not “Photoshopped”.  I produced it with minimal effort by editing the actual webpage, using my browser’s developer tools.  Thus, it looks perfect; and nonexistent graphical modifications cannot be detected.  That is also how I conveniently crafted a parody of Jihan’s infamous “fuck your mother” tweet.

For the sake of ocular health and safety, and to avoid a false sense of security, please stop using screenshots in situations whereby a visual depiction is not required.  Thank you.

(If you see a questionable message alleged to be from theymos, check for digital signatures from theymos’ PGP key after verifying that the key’s PGP fingerprint is 5E6B 3F3B A961 193C 5C9B  4435 C655 5693 DAB5 91E7.)


i permit to post here PMs

As you are aware, your permission is not required.

The purpose of this thread is to publish hate-mail, whines, threats, etc. I receive for spamfighting activity, in cases where no other pertinent thread exists.  If/where warranted, I may then use posts here as references for issuing negative trust feedback.

[— The above was from 2018; this was added in 2020: —]

N.b.:  Although I always handle my communications as a gentleman, and I would issue negative trust feedback for unreasonable or treacherous disclosure of personal communications, I publish unsolicited hostile communications as a matter of policy.  Be guided accordingly.

PM = Personal Message, not Private Message.

Compare "private interview" to "personal interview" or "private locker" to "personal locker". Something private isn't expected to be made public, but something personal is only owned by or associated with a single person, not necessarily with a strong guarantee of privacy.

It’s funny, the imbeciles and assorted trolls whining at Lauda and now at Vod forgot that I have a whole thread for this:

UNSOLICITED HOSTILE COMMUNICATION SEEKING TO INFLUENCE MY TRUST-RELATED DECISIONS
hi

can you explane why you excluded me?

Yes, I can; but I do not wish to.

Please be advised that this PM discussion may be published at my discretion.

Please be advised i NOT PERMIT this discussion  be published

but i know
you from lauda gand and she's assliker
good luck

Nothing is new with me.  I have always published hostile unsolicited communications as well as (at my discretion) communications begging for merits, trust, and/or money.  And I have always left feedback consistently with my publicly stated trust feedback policy, q.v., which I should soon update with a policy on inclusions and exclusions.


yes is right ) pugman aka atriz is your friend but atriz is scammer, atriz also suchkamun,s friend)
so i collect here a lot of fucking cult of lauda))

Damn right, with Lauda gone we need someone else to worship. Will you be our new cult leader? To qualify you need to hand out some bullshit ratings (check), call people names (check), and have some plagiarism in your post history (hurry up if you haven't done that yet).

Although your grammar and diction exceed the abilities of your kindred spirit cryptohunter, your post hereby so echoes him as to prove that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  You are a gutless, two-faced manipulator who should not be trusted.

she is too distraught at the moment because her notorious criminal buddy just pretended to self-destruct on that other infamous thread  Roll Eyes ;
I haven't noticed suchmoon being all that distraught by Lauda's departure.  I think your perception of reality is a little bit askew, but I don't think there's anyone here who'd be able to help you with that.

You don't know that, I might have been secretly crying for days Cry but this has nothing to do with the shitposter detective. This thread was started before Lauda's departure and didn't refer to Lauda in any way until one of the shitposters brought the cat up on page 5 or 6.
554  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nullian Self-Moderation Policy on: November 24, 2020, 10:38:02 PM
reserved
555  Economy / Reputation / Re: Nullian Self-Moderation Policy on: November 24, 2020, 10:37:53 PM
Reserved for moderation log:  I want to make a listing of posts that I have deleted, but haven’t had the time to gather and format the information.  I also question whether it is a good idea.  Arguable.
556  Economy / Reputation / Nullian Self-Moderation Policy on: November 24, 2020, 10:37:36 PM
I have been intending to do this for awhile.  Writing a growing list of rules into the OP of each self-moderated thread is growing tiresome; and it is unmaintainable.  It is better to create one reference to link.

Edited 2020-12-07 with #4 below, and another edit soon to come.


Current Ban List (last updated 2021-04-10)

If your name is here, do not post on any of my self-moderated threads (unless it is a Reputation accusation thread against you):

Vispilio, peloso, OgNasty**, suchmoon*, cryptohunter and his known or suspected alts, Timelord2067, hacker1001101001, KingScorpio, Hyena, nutildah*, Dire“Wolf”M14 bin Kalb.

Note:  There is no appeal to this decision; and this hereby thread is not an “accusation thread”.  If your name is on this list, do not post on this thread!

* Liberals banned for deleting from a self-moderated thread either (a) my response to an accusation thread against me, or (b) an on-topic, reasonably civil post by me in Politics & Society.

** See update.



Rules

0. Exception to these rules:  If I raise an accusation on a self-moderated Reputation thread, then the accused shall always be accorded a fair and reasonable right of reply.  The qualifier is only a precaution against the possibility of a troll using troll tactics to attempt to derail a thread.  I will always err to the side of letting the accused speak on his own behalf.  I think that my record speaks for me here, insofar as I have opened a number of self-moderated accusations, and never yet deleted a post by the accused—even posts that were personally insulting, or even defamatory towards me.

1. My self-moderated threads are moderated at my sound discretion.  I reserve the right to exercise authoritarian control over them (which I always say, but I never seem to do...).

2. Subject to #1 above and #3 below, I do not generally wield self-moderation on the basis simply of personal dislike for the author of a post.  (If I did, then the majority of all “people” would be forbidden from my self-moderated threads.)  Thus, even if you have had an argument with me, you should not be worried that I would axe your hard work if you make what (in my judgment) is a thoughtful, on-topic, reasonably civil post on one of my self-moderated threads.

3. If, simply from personal dislike for me, you ever delete from one of your self-moderated threads a post by me that is on-topic and reasonably civil, then subject to the above-stated exception, you shall be categorically permabanned from my self-moderated threads.  This ban may be applied retroactively, at my discretion.

4. If you have ever publicly announced that you have me on your ignore list, then you are banned from my self-moderated threads; and your posts will be deleted without comment.  You should know who you are; I need not provide a list.  I did not think to make this rule before, because it seems obvious:  If you have me ignore-listed, then how are you reading my OP, let alone replying thereto?  Logic error.  Anyway, a public announcement that you have punished me with the Almighty Ignore List is a conceit that overestimates the value of your readership.  I would ban you from reading my posts, if I could; I can’t, but I can ban you from replying to them in self-moderated threads.  Thus, you shall not post in my self-moderated threads; and I will try to avoid contributing to yours (even if not self-moderated), unless an overriding public interest is served by my making a post there, e.g., to protect others from potential harm.  Bye.


This list of rules will be edited.

This thread is not really intended for discussion.
557  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & no-longer-new rank requirements (topic title obsolete, v0.0.1-alpha) on: November 24, 2020, 04:25:20 PM
That is the purpose of the merit system!  For you see, a “platform just for Bounty” is a useless cesspool from which all of the legitimate users would flee.  Incidentally, that would cause the money to stop flowing here; so don’t whine about attempts to save the goose that lays the golden eggs.

... why do you mind spam so much?

Roll Eyes

and that is how the world is going on,

The world is wrong.

you cannot expect that all new members are here to love forum and post quality posts

Yes, I can.  I can also make idiots miserable.  Such as yourself.

Quote from: casperBGD (personal text)
Bitcoin is like Gold, and Ethereum is like Oil

Roll Eyes
558  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & no-longer-new rank requirements (topic title obsolete, v0.0.1-alpha) on: November 23, 2020, 03:45:05 PM
Everyone thought that the merit system cut the spam from its 2017 ATH.  Alas, it seems that the spammers were more demotivated by the onset of the 2018 bear market, which approximately coincided with the new merit system.

“Go, spam spam spam, go!” :-/


By a magical coincidence, it is empirically CONFIRMED SCIENCE that this 30-day limiter expires after not more than a time of exactly 30 days (2592000 seconds):

Merit summary for nullius

Sent in the last 120 days



I have them for everyone (and I did include the source link to find them),

Thanks.  Either I’m blind, or I was just being rhetorical.  Cheesy
Got one for me?  Cheesy

It looks like the image hotlink will always load the current image, thus making any caption misleading after the passage of any significant time.  I suggest adding a caption to the image itself, and switching to PNG.

Tests on the current 976210_blue.gif:
FormatBytesSavings
GIF1995
PNG (ImageMagick)59270%
PNG (OptiPNG)40280%
N.b. that the PNGs would fit into a single packet at most people’s path MTU to the server.  For the optimization of professionally run sites, cutting RTT latency of page loads is much more important than bandwidth savings.

ImageMagick can also easily add the caption with -annotate and related font settings (or, of course, the corresponding APIs for whatever you are using on the server).


I just start working to get merit.This post really helped me to understand merit distribution system.

If anyone reading my Replay please Suggest me where i need to post i mean good quality post to get Merit? 

Help me with that! 💓

I was about to direct this user to the appropriate forum, till I checked his post history and saw that he already has a thread in Beginners & Help:

Subject: Merit & Difficulties 😑
[...]

I needed merit so badly but i can't earn it i am trying to post in BTT with new topic but It's really not working .

[...]

Love you guyes For the Replay💓.
I know everything About crypto currency & i can post,no problem with that.

[...]

I create my account 2 years ago but i never used it. So from few months i start joining bounty i thought this platform is just for Bounty then Day by day i try to Learn & understand about BTT.
now i know what mistake i did!  😢😢

Roll Eyes

Protip:  Shoot at it until it dies.  The merit system was created to get rid of idiots who treat this forum as a “platform just for Bounty”.

That is the purpose of the merit system!  For you see, a “platform just for Bounty” is a useless cesspool from which all of the legitimate users would flee.  Incidentally, that would cause the money to stop flowing here; so don’t whine about attempts to save the goose that lays the golden eggs.

If you truly “know everything About crypto currency”, then—the results shall speak for themselves.
559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020: Political intimidation of attorneys on: November 23, 2020, 03:17:02 PM
And BTW the reason we have nutjobs like Rudy Giuliani and Lin Wood now on these cases is that reputable law firms don't want to touch this nonsense.
Actually law firms have decided to not represent the Trump campaign because of public pressure against these law firms and their other clients.

The pressure campaign to get law firms to drop the Trump Campaign as a client should be condemned in the strongest way possible. Everyone has a right to legal representation.

Representing a client is not an endorsement of their alleged actions or viewpoints. Representing a client is a means to ensure their rights are not violated and that the law is properly enforced.

*Weird flex*.  It reminds me of:
It is the modern liberal that is against free speech.
Have my last remaining sMerit.

If, even in a case whereby the facts are undisputed, a drug-addicted rapist and murderer with a record of an incorrigibly felonious character were to lack an all-star legal dream team for his final death-row appeal, then the liberals would scream!

Whereas if an attorney dares to represent aggrieved voters and/or the reëlection campaign for the President of the United States, then he is a “nutjob” who is ipso facto engaged in frivolous litigation and other unethical conduct—subject even to disbarment (!).

Some disbarments are more likely than this getting past SC,

You are obviously not a lawyer.  You have no idea what the standards for disbarment are.  Please stop opining from total ignorance—or else hit up West/Lexis, and show some case law applicable to any circumstance even remotely similar.  Every state has mountains of published opinions about its rules of professional conduct for attorneys.  Have fun with that.
560  Economy / Speculation / [WO] By happenstance, I was just now listening to the Goldberg Variations on: November 23, 2020, 01:03:10 AM
“TV era KYC/AML ID pox” is an anagram for “lack my private dox”.


Although in reality I would have hidden a sheep under the stairs.

I have mutton and lamb chops in a deep freezer under the stairs.  Good?  🐺

Louis nullius, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Your name checks out.  Just as long as you do not peddle Faketoshi’s gold.



She serves the gourmet,
Whilst he whistles an old ode to our rude modern times:
Albaner Mädchen Türken Männer, modernd moderne Untreue,
Italiener Wein Amerikaner
Whine und Internationale Sang...



A bank’s KYC/AML compliance officer once tried to test me.  I was critical of his discourteous intrusion.


Confirmed science in the hands of Americans will destroy the world!



On a serious note, many of my posts are laced with much subtler (and less corny) hidden messages.

Much of my more serious writing contains cryptic literary allusions.  I do hope that someday, professors will apply the proper methods of hermeneutics and textual criticism to find all of the hidden meanings subtly onion-layered into my forum posts.  (To be clear, my only lack of confidence is in the hope that scholars will exist in the future.)
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