I am really really surprised as to why this is happening. Not a single word needed to be said, remove the word, close the thread, end. I wonder what will be next instead of this simple solution.  Totally agree. The answer is in, close the thread, unless you want to stir the drama some more. Nice try, completely twisting what Lauda said. Unfortunately, since ibminer decided to double down, it is no longer a matter of retracting a single word. Can you please just remove the wording and fight it out in however many threads you guys want? Is that so hard to do  I have no desire to fight with ibminer. What I want is to resolve this, route him to /dev/null, and go do something important. My actual intention had been that when my demand for a retraction of a single word was met, I would lock the thread and walk away. I did not say so outright, because it is dangerous to make such promises, and because it is the kind of thing that could be misconstrued by persons who are twisting my words and mischaracterizing my actions ( especially suchmoon). However, I think it was clear enough: I do not wish either faith to ibminer, I just hope he removes the statement and this thread is shut down. This is indeed an ugly thread. I did not want to create it; and I do not want to keep it going. Although I doubt that anything will change my own loss of respect for ibminer or my distrust of his judgment, I think it’s clear straight from OP that I will consider this thread to be resolved if my stated demand for an appropriately marked retraction is met. An apology would be decent; but in principle, I am disinclined to demand such things, or even ask for them, for I strongly dislike fake, coerced “apologies”. I am addressing only (contra)factual statements here—in a general manner similar to what I would do in a courtroom defamation case, adjusted appropriately for the nature of the venue as a Reputation forum. OP, following my concisely stated demand: ibminer is, of course, “entitled to his opinions”, which I really don’t give a damn about either way. ibminer made a false factual statement. It is of such an inflammatory and destructive nature that, as I noted in the draft reply to pugman that I timestamped and filed away yesterday, I believe that I would have an actionable tort case against ibminer. (So noted only to measure the magnitude and seriousness of the matter. A single word can indeed incur a successful lawsuit. I am a crypto-anarchist behind Tor; and anyway, if I were to sue, I would not be so stupid as to discuss the matter on an Internet forum beforehand!) Now, he has piled on a whole heap of new accusations and insinuations—much of it in vague terms that are impossible to answer or publicly rebut as to fact. Some of what he has now said, I know first-hand to be factually false; the rest is presumeably false, unless he has extraordinary evidence. I don’t have the spare time to continue sitting on top of this thread as I did yesterday; but I will not just let this go so easily. ibminer has piled wrong atop wrong. He needs to answer for that. @ibminer, could you please remove that "underage" bit because the GGB profile that was used was " not underage". You even get to be Colonel Jessep here:  I know that you mean well. I appreciate that. Since you said that a few times now, I just need to make it clear that ibminer is not in a position to demand anything of me—and I am never nice.
Something else that I should probably address: You were one of the best members around when you were posting about "technical" stuff that actually matter but then out of a sudden you became so active in this board in a way that puts you a few topics away from being the next cryptohunter, obviously with better writing skills.
As far as DEMANDING the edition of a post, i wouldn't set my hopes too high, we barely get people to change their feedback, let alone edit a post, the way i see it is that ibminer seems like a reasonable dude, i am pretty sure the effect of a single-line PM would be stronger than this topic.
I agree with this. Nullius had a whole different reputation and status after he left, everyone thought he was different, witty, and a technical genius. And we wanted for nullius to return back, because more than half of the actual members of the forum practically loved him because he gave the vibes of old 2011 posters, which this forum had been lacking for ages. And now after his return, everything feels different. Nullius, things wont be the same for you if go around demanding things, publishing pms, and going against DT members isn't going to help. You're better than that, and you know it. Back then, you handled the Alia situation much better, but now its getting quite the opposite. I get it, you're smart, but things won't be the same, if the things you do keep being the same, it won't go so well. End your disputes privately, its better for everyone. I appreciate anybody who appreciates my work; but I do not owe anything to anybody (save for a very few individuals who have immeasurably enriched my life, whether through their own published work or though their private interactions with me). Moreover, I have not changed: As shown below, my personality now is indistinguishable from that in 2018. Perhaps your perceptions of me may have changed. My characteristic aggressiveness and absolute certitude in the face of conflict would understandably be appealing to those who agree with me, and not to those who don’t. Nullius, things wont be the same for you if Thanks; taken under advisement. go around demanding things, Nothing wrong with my demanding redress from somebody who wronged me. N.b. that that was stated in the manner of a legal demand (in manner of speaking—without any implication of being an actual legal demand). A demand for retraction of a false and defamatory statement is a quite ordinary response. publishing pms, In 2018, I created a whole thread for that, my “hate mail” thread. Want the same nullius back? Here he is. At my exclusive discretion, I reserve the right to publicly post any PMs received by me (0) on the subject of negative trust feedback left by me, and/or (1) in relation to such a public discussion as this one.
Whines > /dev/null. I have spent my whole adult life handling highly confidential information for people with whom I have a relationship of mutual trust. And if someone sends me a friendly PM, I will treat that with the ordinary discretion of a gentleman. Whereas nobody has a right to impose on me and swear me to secrecy, just by sending me a Personal Message— especially not if the PM is of a hostile nature. It is completely ridiculous to criticize anybody for publishing unsolicited adversarial PMs. My 2018 PM-dumping thread was inspired by the example of various activists whom I have seen publish extreme hate-mail and death threats sent via “private” channels of communication. Reductio ad absurdum, would you criticize them, too? and going against DT members I go against governments. I have real-life, years-long experience litigating against large corporations (who eventually steamrolled me by sheer mismatch of resources—eh, I bit off more than I could chew there). Do you suppose that I be scared, or even impressed by DT members on an Internet forum? I respect those who earn my respect, and that’s that. I am not a flatterer—in colloquial terms, I don’t kiss arse (and I categorically despise people who expect that from me). Yes, everyone needs to kiss the ass of ibminer or suchmoon will use the lack of politeness as an excuse to defend his wrongdoing. Oh, shit! I just quoted OgNasty. The world is truly ending.  🙂Now, lest there be any doubt—I really have not changed even a bit: Re: Measures against scams misusing the Bitcoin nameSo-called “Bitcoin Cash” is neither Bitcoin, nor cash, in the sense that it has neither the unlinkability nor the fungibility of cash. [...] I am still having trouble deciding what I should call Roger Ver’s little abortion. Perhaps ASICBOOSTCOIN. Re: Buying Drugs with Bitcoin ?Anyone bought drugs with bitcoin and what are you thought on the subject ? Thanks so much for pissing in the pool here. I hope you O.D. Otherwise, die in a fire.
Re: Bitcoin Diamond improves on Bitcoin transactions[Idiotic shilling for yet another fork scamcoin.]
Fall in a well and die. Or I stick a fork in your eye. Well, what's the most expensive? A $500 bag or a divorce?
If you’re not an idiot, then neither your wife nor anybody else knows how much Bitcoin you have.
Re: Bitcoin not so anonymous?I guess they could identify you only once you cashed out. Other than that, your identity is safe (unless you have verified your identify in an online wallet, of course);
WRONG. [— snip what I still think is still one of my best-ever posts, together with its even better sequel —]
Merited by soniclord (50)Add to this that to exonerate himself of guilt, soniclord would need to prove that he has an IQ not exceeding 75. [...] Well, either severe mental retardation—or a state of insanity, replete with psychotic delusions. There can be no other way for someone to actually do that innocently. It is implausible, improbable, impossible. Development & Technical Discussion:
Bitcoin’s Public-Key Security LevelIn layman’s terms, a 128-bit security level is very, very strong. It is what buzzword-lovers usually refer to as “military-grade security”. Those who seek better than “military-grade security” (or wish to make fun of that idiotic term) may instead seek “‘Spinal Tap grade’ security”.
Bitcoin Distorters, Dancing Pigs, and Cryptokitties; ochlocracy equals kakocracyThere is only one Bitcoin.[...] Ethereum has a deeper problem: Bolting a Turing-complete VM onto a blockchain and painting it over with a Javascript-style language is manifestly irresponsible as anything other than a research project ( i.e. not as “money”). [...] Human beings know how to build correct, reliable computing machines. I’ve read of fully redundant systems which could lose a CPU any time without blinking, capability-based research systems, etc., etc.... But all that is too expensive, plus too slow to bring to market. People want their Dancing Pigs and their Cryptokitties. Thus, we get everywhere the computing equivalent of Ethereum. Who wants to wait for research like Simplicity before running a hot new ICO? It’s the same with buildings. Once upon a time, a cathedral would have its foundations laid by workers who cherished the faith that their grandchildren may live to see spires rise to the sky. Nowadays, having forsaken cathedrals to please gods, all the world’s a goddamn bazaar: A pile of cheap shacks and stalls thrown up in a hurry so that idiot masses and idiot plutocrats alike can hawk their baubles to their fellow idiots. Shiny! Needs a bounty ANN thread. As the wetware degenerates itself in a negative feedback loop, we soon find empirical proof for a principle well-known to philosophers since the beginning of time: Ochlocracy equals kakocracy. — Ergo, “regulations”. |
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This:Checking hashes alone is of limited use. What if an attacker totally compromised the website, and changed the hashes to match his malicious replacement of the downloadable files? Whereas the PGP signing keys should be stored and used with much higher security than can be expected of the webserver. I think that fluffypony (now binaryfate as the signer?) probably knows how to handle PGP keys. ;–) I have not reviewed the linked guides. I did skim the beginning of the Windows beginner guide, and noticed an omission: It does not explain how to verify the Gpg4win download, when you do not have PGP/GPG installed. Chicken-and-egg problem? Not quite: The Gpg4win maintainers have a Microsoft Authenticode signing key, * so that you can bootstrap trust using built-in Microsoft Windows features: https://gpg4win.org/package-integrity.htmlThat is always the first link that I provide to Microsoft Windows users whom I am tutoring in PGP usage. I suggest that somebody involved in the Monero Project should add this link to the Windows verification guide, with a concise additional explanation, and perhaps some more screenshots of what this actually looks like in current versions of Microsoft Windows. The pertinent part of the guide: https://src.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html1.2. Use Gpg4win InstallerYou will be presented with a security verification screen, click Run.  Check that the file is authentic, then click Run. I have no Windows in my house, so I can’t see how this works in current versions. The screenshot’s identification of Intevation GmbH as the signer matches the information currently stated on the above-linked Gpg4win verification page. Users should understand the significance of this, and also know how to check the key fingerprint. From my recollection of having used long-obsolete MS Windows versions in the distant past, it should all be point-and-click. In my opinion, if the signature is valid, you should carefully check which Authenticode key was used to sign the file: Don’t just blindly rely on the system of certificate authorities trusted by Microsoft to verify to you that your download was signed by... somebody who could follow the procedure to obtain an Authenticode signing key. At the baseline, you should be aware of the Authenticode signature so that you can watch to see if it is not verified; and you can also check it manually if desired, with a few clicks in Windows Explorer. The same link provides information on verifying Gpg4win using PGP/GPG signatures, for those who are upgrading (or migrating from a different OpenPGP implementation) and want to check the PGP signatures. (* Obtaining and keeping an Authenticode signing key requires expense, red tape, and (IIUC) dox to a certificate authority. It should not be expected of most open-source projects. Gpg4win really needs one, so that users with no PGP can verify their first PGP software.)
I just noticed that the bitcoin.org download page does not link to any corresponding guide. For now, I suppose that Microsoft Windows users installing Bitcoin Core can follow the Monero verification guide, but with laanwj’s public key.
I did a few more test.
First I scan also installer from version 0.15.0.1 (which I am using now without problems). Main computer: no virus. Backup computer: virus!. Humm...
Also I use virustotal.com for both files. Both have half a dozen virus detected, but no GREAT virus (most of them coinminer or related things).
I am "almost sure" it is a false positive. Please don’t waste your time and effort. For this purpose, “antivirus” software is of negligible ( i.e., practically zero) help—even negative help: If you trust the Monero lead devs, then the PGP-signed hash file does what you want: It proves that you are installing the software that they themselves provided to you. If you don’t want to trust, then nothing short of a thorough code audit will suffice.
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@moderator: Whoops, sorry.
ibminer, you have added here several serious allegations on your part—against me, and about others. As to myself, I have first-hand knowledge that you are wrong about everything except what I myself just said upthread a few hours ago; but I will set that aside for the moment. Overall, either you must have strong evidence to support your allegations, or your reply here is utterly despicable.
0. In substantial effect, you have unavoidably stated that the GirlsGoneBitcoin verification process was, and thus can be fooled by a 15-year-old boy using “software and video packs”. Also, all of alia’s customers on the forum (n.b. that I was never one of them).Based on the research I did back then, it was clear to me that favours was not paying anyone, it was him, likely using software and video packs (all commonly used by e-whores).. Actually, you are more than questioning theymos’ reliability: You are directly impugning it. I and many others rely on this as sterling information: If the GGB verification process is unreliable, then it would behoove you to inform those who are relying thereupon. If, in this case, it was actually fooled by a 15-year-old boy using “software and video packs”, then I myself relied on it to my detriment; and I should be let to know about that. In the absence of sound evidence to the contrary, I will presume that theymos knows what the hell he is doing—and that you, ibminer, are slinging some very dangerous mud without thinking about the consequences.
1. You made a vague statement that alia/favours was “being supported by [me]”. What, exactly, do you mean by that?Based on the research I did back then, it was clear to me that favours was not paying anyone, it was him, likely using software and video packs (all commonly used by e-whores).. and being supported by you. For the record, the only “support” of any kind whatsoever that I ever gave to the alia account was reputational: I made the account significantly more forum-famous than it already was when I found it—which only occurred because it was already more than a little bit forum-famous. And aside from some innocently intended positive comments that I made about alia to specific individuals in PMs, almost all of that was in full public.view (forum posts and merit).If you allege otherwise, be specific—and put up the evidence now. I know first-hand that you don’t have any, because I did nothing wrong as you are insinuating.
2. I actually have nothing to hide here. Please feel free to post the PMs:nullius == alia's main supporter, promoter, and the person who made alia who he was on the forum (<- self-admitted, I won't bother posting the PMs unless nullius would like me to). I am calling you on this, because your unjust and inexcusable insinuations are damaging to me. Without even reviewing PMs that I have not looked at in over two years, I can affirmatively state that publishing my PM correspondence with you would not damage me at all, because I did nothing wrong other than to be innocently scammed by a scammer. If you want to nitpick or twist on a word here or there (such as the pronouns that I used at various times during the development of a very confusing situation—oh, muh pronouns!), then I can explain anything that I said in its proper context. If you are seeking to prove that I was “self-admitted” to have promoted the alia account, I think the point is moot: I myself just said essentially the same thing, on this thread, just a few hours ago (and I have made similar remarks to others in the past, in public and in private): I would personally go with "shilled for scammer"(no hard feelings @OP) but that's me  No offense taken. I was fooled; it was cold comfort that “alia” fooled many others, and had even obtained an unprecedented theymos neutral-tag verifying the account as a camgirl. The level at which I had indeed publicized alia did, in my judgment, impose on me a positive duty to spare no effort in actively contributing to the investigation by the anonymous scam_detector, RGBKey (whose red-tag was the warning that jolted me into taking scam_detector seriously), ibminer (which is why I did respect him—and I appreciated what he did then), theymos himself, you, and too many others succinctly to list. I never argued with anybody who made fun of me about this, or said that I made an error in judgment—which I admittedly did, and for which I took responsibility as much as I reasonably could.Furthermore, I also consent to forum administrators or staff viewing my PMs sent to alia and received from alia, if they have any suspicions about me.OP here: As a further precaution, despite my potential embarrassment with some of them, I deliberately left intact all of my PMs with alia—just in case the forum’s administration were ever to have any suspicions about me in the matter. (The PMs are still there—*cringe*.) Some of them are embarrassing in the “ *cringe*” sense; I would not want for those to be published. None of them is in any way inculpatory of me. I think that admins and staff are sufficiently level-headed to view the matter objectively and dispassionately. If they have any questions, they may PM me. For obvious reasons, I do not want to say too much more about this in public. But I do so say, just in case ibminer’s wrongful remarks about me have the predictable effect of causing admins or staff to have such suspicions about me as would be allayed if they were to review evidence already in their own possession.
3. Please state specifically which of my act and/or omissions you think were wrong, and what you think I should have done instead:Your actions after he was identified showed me you were not someone I, nor anyone, should trust the judgement of. I was fooled by this scammer just as badly as anybody else. The alia account was used to scam some people for money. It was used to scam me for reputation-builiding. I have all along reasonably taken responsibility for anything that I actually did. I have all along erred toward being critical of myself: I should have known better. I should have been more alert, more cautious. I should have analysed this situation in every detail. Yes, I am essentially victim-blaming myself using the same arguments used by scammers who rationalize that “fools deserve to be scammed”. That is acceptable for me to do to myself, because I have a right to hold myself to a much higher than ordinary standard for both astuteness and carefulness: I am smarter than this. It is not acceptable from ibminer—enough is enough! Although I was moderately careless with a “female” situation (as most men are at least once or twice in their lives), I was not even negligent—much less knowingly engaged in any wrongdoing whatsoever. It should not need to be said that when the scam accusation broke, I was in a situation in which I myself was shocked, caught off-guard, and initially confused as to the facts. Nevertheless, I promptly caught my bearings and not only cooperated with, but actively assisted the scam investigation to the best of my ability. I am ashamed of having been fooled, but I am proud of how I handled it when I discovered that I had been fooled. To suggest that I did anything whatsoever wrong after that point is indefensible for you. So, put up or shut up: What did I do wrong, and what should I have done differently?
4. ...:As such, ibminer has knowingly falsely accused both me and, by unavoidable implication, theymos of peddling “underage” sex on a forum as to which various entities would relish an excuse to attack for censorship purposes.
I never accused theymos of such nonsense. Keep trying. How do you square that with your now-amplified statements quoted above? I really don’t want to spell this out for you. And why are you tangling yourself in self-contradictions to focus this crap on me, of all people? I was never one of alia’s customers. I never saw an “alia” camshow—whether a live camgirl, or “software and video packs” as you allege. All that I did was to get overly excited about my lovely forum girlfriend, interact with the account publicly in ways that rapidly amplified its fame, send it a bunch of merit for posts that I thought were meritorious, brag too much in PMs to a few individuals who never accused me of anything for their own parts, and exchange some sexually explicit textual communications with what, in reliance on GGB verification, I believed to be a camgirl. So—why me? ( N.b., I still believe GGB verification much more than I believe you. At this point, I do not find you to be at all credible.)
There is more in ibminer’s post that should be addressed; but first things first... Note: When I saw ibminer’s post, I was finishing a draft of a long reply to pugman. Abstract: Look up the word “tort”. And please never rely on Wikipedia legal arguments for anything important. Combining the posts would make this far too long; thus, I have set it aside for now, and OTS-timestamped a copy of my draft in case I want to prove later what I was writing. (Should have done that with my February draft of what became OP here. OTS should be a habit.)
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~ Lauda being the voice of reason these days is surprising, but a nice twist. OgNasty being the voice of reason these days is surprising, but a nice twist. (Neither insult nor flattery is intended—just as none is presumed, for my own part. I know that you’re just being fair. So am I.)
I say they settle this with a fight to the death. As a person who practiced bodybuilding (and partially martial arts) for the past 20-25 (or more) years, I stand on nullius' side LOL, trial by combat and code duello are old-fashioned enough for me. But that does not work through encrypted mixnets. I guess this is a part of the point of what T. C. May and Wei Dai meant by crypto-anarchy! Classical antiquity:Protip: When a nice guy wants a princess, he buys her diamonds—
#ToxicMasculinity ♂ #MakeLoveNotWar ♂ #CodeOfConduct Unfortunately, similar to Tim May's Crypto Anarchist Manifesto, whose vision is also embraced by nullius, as far as I know, this topic went almost unnoticed, being read only by 159 times. And, as a consequence, it went unmerited until a few days ago. The times are hard for us, who live in these days. Anarchism and crypto-anarchism may be a cure for many of us. Therefore, an advice: " Arise, you have nothing to lose but your barbed wire fences!". I will end here, with a quote from Wei Dai: " I am fascinated by Tim May's crypto-anarchy. Unlike the communities traditionally associated with the word "anarchy", in a crypto-anarchy the government is not temporarily destroyed but permanently forbidden and permanently unnecessary. It's a community where the threat of violence is impotent because violence is impossible, and violence is impossible because its participants cannot be linked to their true names or physical locations". Anything is a good opportunity for art and/or talk about crypto-anarchy. Well, I suppose that we will just need to settle this by rational debate a good old-fashioned Internet flamewar in which I repeatedly need to shoot down irrational and evasive cheap-lawyer nonsense, whilst ignoring arbitrary insults.
Yes, everyone needs to kiss the ass of ibminer or suchmoon will use the lack of politeness as an excuse to defend his wrongdoing.
Not really, even a rude PM would have been better than a rude drama thread. For you, of all people, to try to lecture me, of all people, about courtesy (let alone drama!) would be comically ironic, if it did not descend to the level of the outright perverse. Nor is there any wrongdoing. A disagreement at most. Beyond perverse. Did you read OP, and my subsequent replies to you?
End your disputes privately, its better for everyone. With all due thanks for your extensive personal advice, I must ask: Why do we have a Reputation forum, if not for discussing reputational issues, and publicly settling such grievances as by their nature are best addressed in public, on the record? I am not simply dismissing what you said: It is a serious question. For my part, I do not see any reason why I should hush up my complaint about the public defamation of me. To the contrary, a part of the actual relief in actual courtroom defamation cases is to get everything out on the record in a public courtroom, so that a prevailing plaintiff can have it publicly demonstrated why he is right. It can significantly enhance the repair of damage to one’s reputation; in some cases, it can be even more important than monetary damages, which may be nominal, infeasible to prove, or impossible to collect.
http://loyce.club/archive/posts/5415/54152367.htmlWhy nullius is always quoting himself?! (Inferioriy complex .. I don't think so) Sometimes for rhetorical purposes. Other times for efficiency: If some people are presenting to me arguments that I already sufficiently answered in n different ways, then it is optimal to self-quote (perhaps with boldface, highlighting, large text, etc.), rather than to waste my time writing explanation n+1. ( N.b., although your post was strictly off-topic, I did want to answer it; and I do not want for people to think that I exercised my self-mod powers to delete a post which I would have left intact.) Edit: Note to forum moderators: I assumed that the user deleted his own post (which I obviously didn’t delete myself). I should have checked modlog. I would not have tried to gainsay staff moderation over this! My apologies.https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php |
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The term “underage scammer” is ridiculous, unless we presume that there is a proper legal age for legitimate scams. Do we start to “card” for it or do otherwise age verification, to make sure that scammers are not underage?
Beautiful strawman. Now show me where I made the "underage scammer" statement that you're so eagerly debunking. OK. For the nth time: Something that is technically correct Well, I certainly think the term "e-whore" is broad enough to include scammers whose scam involves (the pretence of) providing sexual services, but I'm neither ordinary nor (according to some people) reasonable, so make of that what you will. “Pretzel logic”, Exhibit A: “Because he was aware of the circumstance involving a camgirl, it’s a good chance he used the term ‘e-whore’ to refer to a male scammer.”“e-whore” to refer to an identified male scammer
Considering that ibminer was well aware of the circumstances of alia's scam I would say that it's a good chance he mean exactly that.Do you (stop pretending not to) get it yet? Or to assist reading comprehension, do I need to add more highlighting, enlarged size, boldface, etc.?
I would personally go with "shilled for scammer"(no hard feelings @OP) but that's me No offense taken. I was fooled; it was cold comfort that “alia” fooled many others, and had even obtained an unprecedented theymos neutral-tag verifying the account as a camgirl. The level at which I had indeed publicized alia did, in my judgment, impose on me a positive duty to spare no effort in actively contributing to the investigation by the anonymous scam_detector, RGBKey (whose red-tag was the warning that jolted me into taking scam_detector seriously), ibminer (which is why I did respect him—and I appreciated what he did then), theymos himself, you, and too many others succinctly to list. I never argued with anybody who made fun of me about this, or said that I made an error in judgment—which I admittedly did, and for which I took responsibility as much as I reasonably could.
"She is underage e-whore". Whatever context might be here, this certainly sound like underage prostitute, not much people will go straight to dictionary to see what e-whore means (nor they will look for more context). I guess it is because focus is on that "underage" part. Moved/amplified from edited addendum of previous post:Maybe alia really did have a friend named Dave. That part could be true. In that case, the alia “Dave” scam would have been “technically correct”. It is still wrong—doubly wrong and doubly dishonest, in the context of alia’s claim to know a “Dave” who was “the best” at “wallet recovery services”. Context is important; and it is incredible that I need to explain this, let alone drill it in against arguments tantamount to “what the meaning of the word is is”.
Or will he now claim that he just didn’t realize that the term “whore” is associated with sex work, and didn’t realize that he was applying the word “whore” to an account that was used for online sex work? You're probably thinking of a different Dave, “You’re probably thinking of a different word ‘whore’, but yes, the word ‘underage’ can shift its meaning somewhat.” |
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The TL;DR of a point further discussed below is that if the same standards are applied to ibminer as were applied to alia, then this... Something that is technically correct Well, I certainly think the term "e-whore" is broad enough to include scammers whose scam involves (the pretence of) providing sexual services, but I'm neither ordinary nor (according to some people) reasonable, so make of that what you will. “Pretzel logic”, Exhibit A: “Because he was aware of the circumstance involving a camgirl, it’s a good chance he used the term ‘e-whore’ to refer to a male scammer.”“e-whore” to refer to an identified male scammer
Considering that ibminer was well aware of the circumstances of alia's scam I would say that it's a good chance he mean exactly that.People who are not aware of what happened back then might think that you tried to promote some underage prostitute
I doubt it. I feel like I summarized this scammer pretty well in my prior post but I guess people still believe there is a sister...
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If my brother wants to respond to whatever allegations you are making, or what he has said in the past, he will do so. favours is my fucking brother. Merited by ibminer (1)You're probably thinking of a different Dave, but yes, I'll get to it. I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to show me who I scammed.
Oh, dear. How many Daves are there who run famous wallet recovery services, widely known as “the best”? On grounds of “not born yesterday”, I didn’t buy such tomfoolery from alia. Not even when I had obvious personal motives to want to believe her, and to hope that there was some terrible mistake. No way! Bullshit is bullshit, and I blowtorched alia as soon as I smelled it on alia. Do not expect differently here. For this argument amounts to, “You’re probably thinking of a different word ‘whore’, but yes, the word ‘underage’ can shift its meaning somewhat.” Not buying it.
I do not think OP wants to tag ibminer either. If I had wanted to tag ibminer, I would have damn well done it already! In almost every other instance in which I have created a Reputation thread against somebody, I tagged immediately with OP; hereto, the only exceptions have been the cases in which I had already tagged, before I decided that a dedicated thread for it was warranted. Or is suchmoon accusing me of being hesitant about tagging? Maybe of waiting to hear other people’s opinions before I act? I think it’s bloody obvious that I do not want to tag ibminer. —Do not want to. Wherefore indeed, I procrastinated and avoided this since February.
Well, I certainly think the term "e-whore" is broad enough to include scammers whose scam involves (the pretence of) providing sexual services, but I'm neither ordinary nor (according to some people) reasonable, so make of that what you will. To me "e-whore" without context doesn't mean literal prostitution and top definitions on Urban Dictionary are about attention whoring, not webcam stuff. Granted the word "underage" may shift that meaning somewhat... That is indeed the slang used in some places. However, if you want to be so technical... Something that is technically correct ...the term “underage scammer” is technically incorrect on its face. More importantly, it is obviously not what was meant here. The word “underage” does not merely “shift that meaning somewhat” (!). Underage denotes that there is a minimal age limit for an activity to be considered legitimate. It is also an emotionally charged word, in the context of anything involving any kind of sexual activity— especially sexual entertainment in exchange for money. Furthermore (and more importantly in the context of reputation and the defamation thereof), hereby bending credulity well past its breaking point: ibminer chose to use wording which an ordinary reasonable person anybody with an IQ above room temperature would expect for people to read as as I did. At best, it would be a double entendre that >99% of people would read as “underage camgirl”. That would be underhanded and deceitful. Or will he now claim that he just didn’t realize that the term “whore” is associated with sex work, and didn’t realize that he was applying the word “whore” to an account that was used for online sex work? You're probably thinking of a different Dave, “You’re probably thinking of a different word ‘whore’, but yes, the word ‘underage’ can shift its meaning somewhat.”
To me "e-whore" without context doesn't mean literal prostitution and top definitions on Urban Dictionary are about attention whoring, not webcam stuff. Granted the word "underage" may shift that meaning somewhatWith due apologies for the evident necessity of belabouring the obvious: The term “underage scammer” is ridiculous, unless we presume that there is a proper legal age for legitimate scams. Do we start to “card” for it or do otherwise age verification, to make sure that scammers are not underage? Contrast: - “Juvenile scammer”, “minor scammer”, “teen scammer” (an ambiguous, overloaded word—but everybody will know what is colloquially meant here; contrast the very different implication of “teen porn”, a marketing shorthand for ages 18–19), etc.
- “Underage porn”, “underage prostitution”, “underage camgirl”, “underage girlfriend”, etc.—or in non-sexual contexts, “underage drinking”, “underage purchase of cigarettes”, etc., etc.
These just look stupid: - “Underage serial killer” (Do we age-check for this, too?)
- “Underage drug dealer”
- “Underage terrorist”
- “Underage armed robber”
- “Underage rapist”
- “Underage scammer”
This is why I invoked an “ordinary reasonable person” standard. It prevents all sorts of word-twisting. I think that in the context, with an actual camgirl involved, a claim by ibminer that he oh so innocently meant “underage scammer” would be a “ dog ate my homework favours is my fucking brother!! and I meant the other Dave!!” level of excuse.
Reputation is essential, as I tried to explain here, fact stated also by Tim May: " Reputations will be of central importance, far more important in dealings than even the credit ratings of today". Yes. Especially for a pseudonymous account behind Tor. Reputation is all that I have here; this is backwards, for the reasons explained by T. C. May: Something that relates to the virtual reputation of your perfectly anonymous account, which you boast about so often. I do think it’s remarkable that several people are essentially criticizing me for using a forum named “Reputation” to discuss reputational issues.
From all the above mentioned aspects, I consider that nullius proceeded in a legit manner for defending his reputation. And, as he proved ibminer's statements to be false, it would be expected that ibminer would say "I'm sorry, I was wrong. And I'll correct my mistake. First of all, by apologizing". I do not wish either faith to ibminer, I just hope he removes the statement and this thread is shut down. This is indeed an ugly thread. I did not want to create it; and I do not want to keep it going. Although I doubt that anything will change my own loss of respect for ibminer or my distrust of his judgment, I think it’s clear straight from OP that I will consider this thread to be resolved if my stated demand for an appropriately marked retraction is met. An apology would be decent; but in principle, I am disinclined to demand such things, or even ask for them, for I strongly dislike fake, coerced “apologies”. I am addressing only (contra)factual statements here—in a general manner similar to what I would do in a courtroom defamation case, adjusted appropriately for the nature of the venue as a Reputation forum.
Edit—minor corrections above, plus this addendum:If he actually wanted to change one word - this is one of the worst ways to proceed. If he wanted to smear ibminer - it's not a bad effort, C-. So, ibminer falsely associated me with an “underage e-whore”, and I am the one smearing him by calling him out for it? That is much worse than “pretzel logic”. (Hostile and defamatory public statements should be dealt with in public. But nice try saying that I should have hushed this up in PM—so that if the issue were not resolved by a “ polite PM” about ibminer’s rude remark, you could accuse me of being untrustworthy if I reasonably needed to publish the PMs to protect my reputation. Not playing your game.) Edit again: ( statement moved here) |
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Something that is technically correct although I can see why you don't like the connotations. In what way is it “technically correct”? Are you alleging that the camgirl who transacted online sex work on GGB and on this forum was underage? I think that I can safely assume you are not suggesting that any ordinary reasonable (or even sane) person would read the term “e-whore” to refer to an identified male scammer, who obviously did not do any camgirl work.
Insubstantive insults and insinuations aside, some other parts of your post may warrant reply; but first things first. I need not remark on my opinion of how you think a joke by theymos reasonably calls for outrage, but you laugh at a serious discussion a false allegation that, in substantial effect, this forum permits and facilitates underage sex work. |
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~ Yeah its not so bad until you are the one who gets it. It starts out like a cold, seems fine. Gets better and better until....From one second to the next you notice breathing getting harder and harder as your eyes widen with shock and your lips start praying to the only god you know for just one more life saving breath. “The only god I know” is the god of Bitcoin. He cares about consensus validation, not about breathing; I am on my own with that one. I do not pray, and do not need to. Keep your psychologically perverse fear-porn fetish to yourself. It is disturbing how much you evidently relish spinning a graphically gory horror-story from the real-life suffering of others, in a futile attempt to scare someone who, albeit not immune to the virus, is immune to your memetic contagion. |
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[Animated GIF #1, expressing ridicule.] [Animated GIF #2, expressing more ridicule.] [Animated GIF #3, expressing more more ridicule.] [Animated GIF #4, expressing more more more ridicule.] [Animated GIF #5, expressing more more more more ridicule.] I henceforth pronounce this demand to be funnier than Bitcointalk's April Fool's prank. Granted the bar was set very low. suchmoon, protip: If you want to continue to claim, contrary to all evidence, that you are “thick-skinned”, then you should probably not get so excited as to use five redundant animated GIFs in a row column. If one would suffice to make your point, then I think that about three is about the outside limit before you start to look... excitable and emotionally invested. Now, I neatly laid out why it is unacceptable to fling around those sorts of vile and scandalous false accusations on an Internet forum—especially when it is effectually a smear of the forum’s administrator, on whom, as ibminer damn well knows, I and others rely to prevent underage shenanigans both here and on Reddit. It is a serious matter. ibminer used a keyword that essentially invoked the Four Horsemen... ...whereas I trust that if anybody were actually to promote an “underage e-whore” here, theymos would drop the ban-hammer with the force of a thermonuclear weapon.None of this is a new thought. When I first saw ibminer’s factually false, defamatory, and, in the totality of the circumstance, peculiarly vicious comment, my first thought was, “Fscking Four Horsemen: ibminer just went half-Danos.” If not properly retracted, that comment indeed puts ibminer about three rungs in Internet Hell above that whackjob whom you surely did not appreciate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=992943Trust summary for DanosSent feedback [all false and defamatory]| Vod | 2018-03-15 | Reference | Proven pedophile and ponzi scheme scammer.
Check his untrusted feedback really well before trusting this guy | | actmyname | 2018-03-15 | Reference | This guy is sociopath and pedophile.
Known for buying child gay porn over the dark web with bitcoins.
Do not trust this guy or share any personal information with him. | | nullius | 2018-03-15 | Reference | This guy is pedophile.
Buying child gay porn, mostly under 6 age.
This guy is criminal who can steal your underage kid and bring his sexual fantasy's in thru your kids nightmares.
You were warned. | | suchmoon | 2018-03-14 | Reference | Known clown who trust abuse random people without any sense or proof based arguments.
Based on his untrusted feedback he's a scam artist.
Do not deal with this person. |
(Why didn’t you merit that particular smear? What, were you slacking?)ibminer must indeed properly retract the factually false smear-word “underage” in his post that I cited. I reiterate my demand. As I said, I do not care either way about what opinions he expresses: I only deem considerable the opinions of persons whom I respect, which categorically excludes persons who make such dishonest statements in the first instance. Your reply, which fixated exclusively on one line of OP that you saw fit to ridicule, is off-topic. Do you care to address the substance of the issue, or are you just trolling?
Everything is fare in LOVE and WAR !  Is “fare” a subtle pun for how ibminer dishes it out, but can’t take it when his dish is sent back as tasteless and nauseating? |
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In reply to LaudaMore people need to learn and understand more about projecting (intentional or unintentional). True. Whereas here, the people who are arguing have such fundamental differences in their (mostly unexamined) premises that most of them cannot even understand that they are viewing others’ opinions through the lens of their own subjective mental models of the world. There is a total difference of worldview between “safety first” people and “life is risk—live and die with courage” people. To see across the impassable chasm between worldviews requires an objectivity that only rare philosophical minds even have the innate ability to acquire through the considerable study which, of course, also requires a will for such an undertaking. There is absolutely no way to tell the state of the person based off of their reaction. For all they know, the mastermind behind this humorous joke, theymos, had COVID and barely survived it. FYI (and I have no idea about the status of theymos’ family, which is none of my business):People are panicking about this to an unbelievable extent. It's a bad disease, to be sure, and some precautions should be taken, but it's not worth putting the entire economy on hold. [...]
(I recently had all of the symptoms of the virus. I wonder if I had it, or if it was just the ordinary flu. It was very unpleasant, though I got over it in a few days.)
Point of the plot: If you do not like it, then ignore it. Do not in any way attack or demoralize those that do.
Interesting comment, considering how many situations you have jumped in on to attack and demoralize based on you not liking something... If this is what you want to live by, you too should practice what you preach. Note: It is not an universally applying rule (not to all things[1], but yes to all people). Yes, that is my mistake on matters of humour. That is my mistake, I am working on it? What are you doing? 
[1] Maybe it does, but this is a difficult discussion. Kitty, you are mistaken about your “mistake”: - I have never seen you try to coerce anybody into enjoying your sense of humour, as if it were “universal”.
- If ibminer, et al. disliked theymos’ sense of humour here, then they were perfectly free to ignore a day-long Internet forum joke without throwing self-righteous, pulpit-pounding public temper tantrums about it.
There is nothing comparable between your defence of theymos’ right to laugh... Point of the plot: If you do not like it, then ignore it. Do not in any way attack or demoralize those that do. ...and others’ demands that everybody should just be huddling down in their homes cages wearing sackcloth and ashes right now. I myself do go a big step further than I have seen you go: I express my unlimited contempt for superannuated children, who are wont to kick and bite when the illusion of their safe nursery-world is invaded by cruel reality. They are spreading panic which is actively harmful to the rest of us. I condemn anybody and everybody who PANICS.
Out of respect for those few Americans who are not contemptible domestic animals begging to be wrapped in unlimited chains forever, I will quote a great American—a famous quote, which obviously applies here:
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” — Benjamin Franklin
In reply to TwitchySeal~snip~
If you're gonna go via corona, you'll most likely be heavily sedated hooked up to a machine for days or weeks before it happens. No pain or stress. No, I myself most likely will not be. I am determined to never die in a hospital; and hospitals are anyway short on ventilators for people who actually want them. Consider it self-triage. You may or may not agree with my priorities as to myself. But it is my personal decision, and one made with a far deeper personal understanding of the issues at hand than that of the usual level of “informed consent”. If I present symptoms of COVID-19, then I will lock myself in alone at home, and stay that way until I am either recovered or dead. I have prepared myself accordingly, just in case. Meanwhile, I don’t dwell on it. I have briefly alluded that someone I care about contracted COVID-19; if I am thinking about COVID-19 in my personal life, I am mostly not thinking of myself! (She is thus far alive and kicking. It is a private matter that I do not wish further to discuss publicly, other than to express her and my deep gratitude to the few people who sent along their well-wishes, which I duly conveyed.)I have had past experiences which assure me that my words are not idle big-talk. The Latin quotation from Seneca now writ large in my signature is not idle talk, either. Such philosophizing is useless and worthless, if one is not ready at any moment to put it to practice—as perforce can only happen in times of hardship and tragedy! Anything else is the vapouring of a cheap hypocrite. But imagine having the person you're closest to put on a ventilator and quarantined. Almost no updates. You can't see them. Could you still function while waiting for the phone to ring?
One of my neighbors is going through that right now while self quarantined by herself. Sometimes demoralization just can't be rejected - at least temporarily. Please express to your neighbour my condolences and well-wishes. For any decent person, fear for a loved one is indeed incomparably worse than any fear for oneself. Nobody can pretend to understand the individual pain that your neighbour now bears for a person who is irreplaceable to her. As a practical matter, the most courageous service that she does for her loved one is to endure this, and keep putting one foot before the other— no matter what. I once saw up-close the same excruciating process drag on (for over a year, not a few weeks) with a woman whose teenage daughter had advanced-stage cancer. In such scenarios, women usually have greater emotional endurance than men (and that is very old-fashioned wisdom, not modern “feminism”). Your neighbour will need every ounce of that strength—whether to nurture her loved one after the “hooked to a ventilator” part is over, or to assure that the memory of that person is not lost amidst tragedy. She may not be able to rouse that strength for herself—but she must, for her ill family member; and it would be a crime to sap her strength by immersing her in demoralizing “end of the world” mass-panic. —Her, and all the people worldwide who are now likewise situated. (How does it go nowadays? “Denial, anger, depression, bargaining, acceptance.” I optimize out the first four steps—as is not only realistic but necessary, when the object of these emotions is still alive and will need significant support if he or she remains that way.)
In reply to ibminerI am determined that if, despite my severe individual precautions, I myself were to contract COVID-19
 For you, they are of course just "severe individual precautions"... everyone else is apparently just lacking courage and fearful. Not you, though.. Mr. courageous, laughing in the face of death with your "severe individual precautions" -- right back at ya', COWARD! There do exist options other than “bullheaded foolhardy recklessness”, and “hysterically shrieking demands to lock down the whole world and forbid all laughter”. I am thinking: “Rational individual precautions based on a dispassionate risk- reduction analysis, which have only a small impact on persons close to me, and zero impact on society.” I will take that one. See also: In my own life, to protect myself, I am making some severe trade-offs. But I am doing that consciously, coldly, without fear; and there are individuals whom I care about sufficiently that for my part, I would risk COVID-19 to spend some time with them if I could. There are also faraway individuals whose actual illness with COVID-19 I would personally attend if I could, even if they were to cough all over me—even though that would be almost tantamount to a suicide mission for me. Each trade-off must be weighed differently—consciously, coldly, without fear... Reductio ad absurdum, would you also call it cowardly or hypocritical for a soldier who preaches courage to don a helmet and body armour before walking into a hailstorm of bullets. (That sentence is concluded with a full stop, because it is not actually a question. And b.b. that it is a reductio ad absurdum: I am explicitly not comparing myself here to soldiers! In this context, I will accord the honour of that comparison to frontline ER doctors and staff who are currently bathing themselves in high viral loads of SARS-CoV-2.)
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You constantly talk yourself in circles, which is why I don't read 90% of what you post anymore. Your failures of reading comprehension are not my fault. Nor is your incorrect assumption that I care if you read. If you don’t want to read what I write (or are manifestly incapable of understanding it), then that is your loss, not mine. At this time, I have only one further item to communicate to you: A grievance over a dishonest, factually false, and defamatory (plus peculiarly petty) remark that you made to me a few months ago. With disquiet and indecision, I held my reserve on that out of respect for your considerable work against forum scams; I now see that that is always a mistake, for I need to address it before I plonk you. Other than that, please feel free to place me on your ignore list. I am not writing for you. Information wants to be valued—and I do not mean that in the monetary sense. Intelligence is priceless.If you are not reading it, then it is not for you.
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I never argued with ibminer’s ~exclusion of me over an admitted past error in judgment on my part (and I may add, one uncharacteristic of me). That is a matter of personal standards. An alia scam investigator who hit the case before ibminer nevertheless has me in his inclusions list; ibminer has excluded me since that time; in the circumstance, neither position is facially unreasonable. I so state upfront, to make it clear that I am not arguing over ibminer’s use of the trust system. This is a separate matter: The word which I have hereby underscored is factually false and defamatory, and of a nature that is peculiarly scandalous and damaging to my reputation. On top of that, because nullius has already shown me in the past he has severely flawed judgement when he promoted and attempted to make a "legend" on this forum out of an underage e-whore trying to long con this forum. His judgement of me wouldn't phase me. The negative implication of the term “e-whore” is an expression of opinion; however, the the obvious and unarguable (contra) factual implication of the phrase “ underage e-whore” is a false allegation that I was both engaged in and promoting online sexual activity with a person below legal age for such activity. Taken as a whole, the statement conflates the 15-year-old male scammer who controlled or was associated with the “alia” account, with the female who was doing online sex work through the same account. That is egregiously dishonest on ibminer’s part. As to fact, these are direct quotations from the pertinent investigation in 2018: Actually, you are more than questioning theymos’ reliability: You are directly impugning it. I and many others rely on this as sterling information: [— screenshot of theymos’ neutral tag GGB-verifying alia —] My neutral rating was intended only as a statement of fact. alia was verified on /r/GirlsGoneBitcoin.... The person in the verification photos is definitely female, and is extremely unlikely to be 15. Furthermore, alia has had a number of customers for her camgirl stuff on this forum who were apparently mostly satisfied. Therefore, it is most likely that the person behind the alia account was hiring a camgirl to do their camgirl-related work. ibminer is well aware of these quotes: He was directly involved in that thread. As such, ibminer has knowingly falsely accused both me and, by unavoidable implication, theymos of peddling “underage” sex on a forum as to which various entities would relish an excuse to attack for censorship purposes. This shows severely flawed judgment: It shows that in the heat of anger, ibminer will toss out a factually false, defamatory, quite dangerous comment which reeks of the Four Horsemen of the Cryptocalypse, without considering the potential harm to others. At the very least, it is harmful to my forum reputation. Wherefore, I demand that ibminer modify his above-quoted post of 2020-02-13 with a clearly marked edit striking out the word “underage”, and stating that that word is retracted as factually incorrect.When I have stated the foregoing, a failure to affirmatively retract and correct the false statement would evince actual malice. ibminer is, of course, “entitled to his opinions”, which I really don’t give a damn about either way.
(To be clear, as a crypto-anarchist in cypherspace, I am applying some legal terms of art in the foregoing for the principal purpose of precise analysis in addressing significant reputational issues—including the question of whether ibminer is maliciously dishonest, or “only” extremely careless about the truth when he is angry and in the mood to hurl insults.)
Aside, for the record: Before the alia scam accusation broke, the only (putative) photo that I ever saw of alia was a faceless, not-quite-topless photo that was posted on imgur, and publicly linked from one of alia’s forum threads. I never saw alia on video. I never saw alia nude. I never saw alia’s crotch depicted at all (clothed or otherwise). Indeed, I never saw or in any way possessed any visual depictions of alia that could not be legally shown on public television in most any Western jurisdiction (including every jurisdiction with which I am familiar in both Europe and the United States).In the scam investigation thread, someone dug up a fully-clothed photo including the face of a female who was apparently involved with the male scammer’s old account; however, to my knowledge, it was never proved that that was the same female as did faceless “alia” camshows reported by customers on various threads. I am a man of words, I was never alia’s customer, and I was in no particular hurry. To the contrary: As a most basic test of sincerity, I was waiting to see how long it would take from the time of alia’s “I think I’m in love” green-trust tag for her to send me what she charged others money to see. She never actually did so. Thus, my personal communications with alia were strictly textual. Those communications were predicated on the reasonable belief that I was communicating, and exclusively communicating, with a GGB-verified camgirl. When I first became aware that the alia account was misrepresented in any way, I immediately deceased all communications with it other than those reasonably calculated to ascertain evidence needed for me to get to the truth of the matter, and cooperate in the scam investigation. As a further precaution, despite my potential embarrassment with some of them, I deliberately left intact all of my PMs with alia—just in case the forum’s administration were ever to have any suspicions about me in the matter. (The PMs are still there— *cringe*.) My thinking: “If she means it, then sooner rather than later,
she will take the initiative to show off to me
some ‘freebies’ without being asked.” Protip: I am not so easy to manipulate, after all.
If you want to fuck with me, have fun—
but do not fuck with me. Much though I like to have fun, I am a man of principle—and I do not “think with the little head”, as the saying goes. Moreover, I am aware of the potential dangers to a pseudonymous activist who addresses controversial issues in adversarial settings. I have spent decades assiduously avoiding anything with even the slightest hint of illegal underage sexual content online, both for reasons of principle and for practical self-protection against potential entrapment. ibminer’s factually false and defamatory “underage” remark is grossly unjust to me.
The foregoing is a moderately edited edition of text that I wrote on or about 13 February 2020. I indecisively withheld it, out of respect for ibminer’s considerable work against forum scams; I now see that that is always a mistake, for to protect my reputation, I must tie up this loose end before simply ignoring him. Local Rules: ibminer is the subject of this thread, and therefore has a reasonable right of reply. Others will be moderated at my discretion. Posts which quote the whole OP will be deleted without remark. |
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Any stats on the spread of the memetic infection that causes feverish virtue-signalling, demoralization fetish, and intense fear, and acute loss of sense of humour leading to behaviour destructive of self and others? Seriously, this joke was sadly and inadvertently a sociological experiment. The reactions of various persons were quite revealing as to character.
I did not infect anybody. I suppose this means that I am too socially isolated. :–/ It was bitserve who infected me. With poetic irony, the infectious post was: [...]
What are you going to sanitize your hands with then?
Good explanation yeah. That makes sense. I would never depend on a third party sanitizer, but I get the point in this case. LOL. I should have wiped the forum with 70% isopropyl before I made an April Fools’ joke that was admittedly in very poor taste:OK, folks, I’m out. I sold all my Bitcoin.[...] $$$ U.S. Dollar TO THE MOON! $$$ Source: Found through image search, then
lightly massaged with the power of wishful thinking: MOON!$1 = $1 [...] $$$ Go, dollar, go! $$$ |
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PSA: Reject demoralization porn!
I will laugh at the virus, even if it kills me—
no, especially if it kills me. As I was bleeding to death I looked up at the paramedic and said "Oh god don't let your ugly ass face be the last thing I see", he had a good laugh and that is how I face adversity. If you can't look death in the eye and laugh thats your own weakness.
Don't let fear rule your life, if you do then your not living, your just existing. No-one gets out of life alive. RESPECT.Life is risk, and death is a part of life. No-one gets out of life alive.
I have 9 lives, and even I do not get out alive - you win this argument. LOL. I should only believe in a god that would know how to dance.
And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity—through him all things fall.
Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!
Please refrain on using me in your weak attempts to garner narcissistic supply.
My advice to you is: seek psychotherapy.
My advice to you is: quit acting like a bitch. I fully realize narcissistic bullies, such as yourself, see compassion and empathy as being a "bitch" behavior... but hopefully one day you will be able to grow up... although, I also realize it's part of your mental disorder, so I'll try to be sympathetic to your condition. I have no truck with Mr Nasty. Whereas you are yapping up the wrong tree with this insufferable preaching: Your lecture on “compassion and empathy” is basically just a Jesus sermon, regardless of its being dressed up in modern liberal terminology. As is well-known to the very few people who have taken the trouble to educate themselves in such matters, liberals are essentially second-century Christians in disguise. Case in point: Your determination to save his soul (L. psyche < Gk. ψυχή), and your simpering faux-sympathetic moralizing about the devil in him. The Christian version of that lecture is that you will pray for him and his condition. Surely, this will impress him with your virtue make him laugh and blow you off with another crude comment—but at least it makes you feel good, which is the important part. For my part: I have a profound admiration for the courage and stamina of people I know who actually contracted COVID-19, and have struggled to shrug it off with a smile despite feeling horribly sick, with immediate rational concerns about worse. I am determined that if, despite my severe individual precautions, I myself were to contract COVID-19, I must follow their heroic example despite my pre-existing health condition, which makes the virus almost tantamount to a death sentence for me. If I were to die of it, I would want for people to remember me not for the disease that killed me, but for whatever I may have achieved within the necessarily short span of my human lifetime. I salute the front-line medical professionals who are calmly bathing themselves in a sea of the virus—without flinching, without complaint—with the calm, cold, rational scientific knowledge that due to the disease course often caused by high viral load, they may be tomorrow hooked up to the ventilators that they are hooking other people up to today. I do hope that they have first dibs on those precious ventilators, for they are deliberately inflicting the virus on themselves to save the lives of total strangers who probably do not properly appreciate what they are doing. Danger is their calling. Whereas I have no patience for cowardice, a quality which by its nature is revealed by adversity, risk, and death. Safety and prosperity do not reveal character. This does. Character is also not revealed by idle big talk from a position of comfortable theories. Cold reality now says: “Put up or shut up.” The extreme negative reactions to theymos’ joke are symptomatic of a disease worse than the virus: The moral weakness of modern society, and of people who never would have survived the untold aeons of plagues, famines, wars, and other perpetual adversity that preceded the soft comfort and illusory safety of technocratic modern times. You only exist because your ancestors long ago struggled for survival against risks and crises that really make COVID-19 look like a joke. The Black Death is only one example: A disease with high infectiousness like coronavirus, but which really did cut down even young, healthy people as a scythe fells stalks of wheat. If the Black Death were to hit today, I think that modern moral weaklings would commit mass-suicide to try to avoid being killed by disease. They are anyway doing something almost tantamount to that, over COVID-19. There are real people with real suffering happening, Yes, and this is reality: Life is risk. People die.It is very sad. But if you cannot cope with reality, then you are probably not a person who should be making Internet armchair diagnoses of the psychological condition of others. You are lecturing others about “real people” from a world of fantasy. And you are sitting on an Internet forum and making unwarranted assumptions about the need for moralistic lectures by the real people behind the screen names who are joking about the virus. Do NOT make such assumptions. You have no idea what real people are behind the screen names, and what real suffering may be kept private. Boldface on the key phrases where the virtue-signalling metre pegged:and I don't think there was much educational value or humor involved here. The less serious it is made out to be.. by making a game or a joke out of it after recently posting people were overreacting, and downplaying it.. sends a bad message IMO. The more people that don't take it seriously, the more it will spread and increase the death rate and suffering of all those involved. Pure moralistic acid—virtue-signalling, in modern parlance. You are deliberately trying to demoralize anybody who is not sufficiently panicked for your tastes. It is you who are sending “a bad message”.Whereas morale is critical to long-term survival, and also to having a world that is actually worth living in.Don't get me wrong, I have a sense of humor, I've listened to several songs & parodies about the virus, and had a good laugh.. as a lot of them are actually funny.. and usually make some sort of point on stopping the spread or keeping yourself safe/sane... like the " stay the fuck at home" song.  Oh, a “cower in your cages, bitches” song. It is demoralization porn. “safe/sane”? No, not sane... In the old days, B.V., self-isolation, avoidance of socialization, and anything that could be called “social distancing” from fear of germs was considered an indicator of need for psychotherapy. ...and ultimately not safe, either. The nature of life is that you will be safe when you are dead.
Just in case Lauda’s post was TL;DR: I just didn't see anything funny with this particular joke/game, so it came off as mocking, which doesn't feel right to me given the circumstances. narcissistic bullies Want to make Internet armchair diagnoses of others? First, cure thyself.
And before anyone tries to claim that we're all suffering as a result of the pandemic, and therefore we can all joke about it: if the worst you've had to face is running out of toilet paper, you're not really suffering, and if you think you are, you don't (yet) know the true meaning of the word. So, virtue is measured by suffering; and thus with suffering is accorded the moral right to speak freely and behave normally. Where do I get a Foxpup official imprimatur of sufficient suffering to know “the true meaning of the word”?What you just said is despicable. Go stuff where it belongs your unwarranted assumptions about Internet screen names whom you know nothing about. For my part, I could give professional lessons on real-world suffering, physical hardship, and tragedy that NONE of the whiners on this thread can even imagine. That is not an unwarranted assumption: The public display of weakness is ipso facto evidence of having suffered insufficiently to be either killed by it, or hardened to it. As would be known by one who has. Protip: “That which does not kill me, makes me stronger” is another Nietzsche aphorism, oft misapplied with a dose of saccharine glurge by witlings who are ignorant of its origin and meaning: From life’s school of war. —That which does not kill me, makes me stronger.
[Aus der Kriegsschule des Lebens. — Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker.] It is the diametric opposite of this fetishization of suffering. It is the forge-fire of a double-edged sword that cuts first against one’s own weaknesses of character, before swinging out against others. (Nietzsche would know: He lived for years with debilitating, torture-level chronic pain.) |
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Virtue [is] the edit distance between your name and "Lauda". Actually struggling to make full sense of that. Edit distance? I get it, but I still don't get it, if you know what I mean. The Holy Thermos has won much respect with such qualities as, e.g.:- Making /r/btc shills cry
- Unrelenting opposition to Ĺ̷̖͈̔̈́ȧ͖̱̦̗͎̯̬͍̇͌̒̃̚̚u̲̭̗͖̥̗͜d̩̦̳̻̰̱̏̇ͅa̵̳̲͈͇̬̺̙̮̯’s WITCHCRAFT!!
- Subtle jokes that require a computer programming background to understand (or sometimes, an actual sense of humour to appreciate)
ǫ̴̖̱̼̺̪̯͓͈͙̈͝m̵̧͓̘̩̭̝̱͖̠̋̀͜g, ẗ̯̹̜̭̯͉̒̓͆͘̚ḩ̸̺͚͈̩̞̓̄͋͗̓͝͝i̸̧̛̻͖͔̼͒̀̔͒͂̚ͅṡ̼͓̳͇̤̍͊̽͑͌͛͜ thread is still infected! v̯͇̰͔̖̰̫̼͛̿̽̆̿e̝͚̝̘͙͚̗͑̐́͛̊͜r̝̥̻̗̬̲̀̒̿̈́͜ͅy̢̨̞̼̞̪̝̽̆͒ strange! L̨̙̘̠͉̀̍̑͟ą̷̲̘͚͎͎̙̩͚͙̪̋ͅu̵͕̬͔̰͍̰̮̳̪͓͚̟̲̔̇d̢͇͉̟̱̩̃̉̚ͅa̻̩͙̫͙͈̽͆ must be indeed the source and a w͖͗̾̏̿̏́̀̂͆î̬̥͚͖͂̈́͗͂͛̍͜ţ͕̤̯̜̂͑͋̓͗̇̂̇̋͘c̛̯͎̬̙͑̂̑͌̊̂͟͡h͎͙̰̑̋̓͆̇̐̐̊͘̚͜͟! Indeed, the TRUTH is PROVED! And... * nullius is keeping his distance from you now See how Ļ̡̛̭̫̳͔̖͍̰̗̐̋͟ͅâ̖̱͗̊͘̚͠͠ú͇̪͉̹̯̖̲̝͊͐͑ͅd̡͍̠̤̻̺͇̺͟ă̌́̄͌̂̔̋͡͠’s bioweapon is destroying society!? L̨̙̘̠͉̀̍̑͟ą̷̲̘͚͎͎̙̩͚͙̪̋ͅu̵͕̬͔̰͍̰̮̳̪͓͚̟̲̔̇d̢͇͉̟̱̩̃̉̚ͅa̻̩͙̫͙͈̽͆ is evil! |
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This thread has been deleted to show corona-v is not a joke to me.
April Fools.
not. Yeah it was old time to get rid of the old and in with the new. It was helpful to do it as I listen to my wife still coughing 90 days after being released from the hospital with double pneumonia which may have or may not have been caused by corona-v.
While I don't like the joke I get it and it will help some. I picked a thread that was locked and a bit out of date. I did not want to punish people if they are earning with their signature's in a current thread. I personally feel better for having done it.
I think I will move on to my 9 alt coin threads. They had over a million views and I truly love them. But I am in lock down here in New Jersey facing 30 more days of Fud. I believe deleting my favorite pride and joy threads may help me cope with what will happen over the next thirty days. These 9 threads date back to 2016 they should be out of date and old so time to clear out the old and make space for the new. ~ I felt what you were trying to do. But With my wife and my wifes 4 cousins already sick And with one of them on a ventilator it felt saddening to me. I do feel better having deleted the two threads 🧵 with 1000 plus posts on them. I won’t be doing any others as multiple people have asked me to keep the alt coin mining threads 🧵 and the other difficulty threads. I also realized that my actions of deleting my self modded threads 🧵 may be like a bunch of morons not cooperating with the lockdowns. so I will leave the other threads up. wishing all of you luck in your lives with corona-v. You just destroyed the personal work of many people who contributed to your threads in good faith, and who themselves did nothing whatsoever to cause you to take even unreasonable offence. Depending on whether you had any real fans who posted frequently in your threads, you may even have knocked some people down a rank. Furthermore, as you evidently did not pause to consider, if you really just mass-deleted so many posts, there is a statistical likelihood that you just trashed posts by somebody out there who is currently ill with COVID-19—and there is also a not insignificant probability that one or more authors of those posts will die of COVID-19, whereupon their bereaved families may come in search of online relics for their memories. Thus, you are a hypocrite for pretending to even care about such things in any case but your own. Your legitimate worry about ill family members, to whom I think that anybody here will wish a speedy recovery, does not entitle you to lash out and hit innocent bystanders over your reaction to a joke by the forum’s administrator. You just shredded the collective hours of many people’s lives in a fit of grandstanding and virtue-signalling. If I had ever contributed to any of your self-mod threads, I would be personally quite angry at you now. As it is, I am relieved that you have no power to delete any of my posts. And before you fire off some indignant reply at me, I warn you that you should NOT make any assumptions about the effects of COVID-19 on my own life. Neither should you inquire about that: It is none of your business, and will remain so. I point that out only because I am effectually drawing fire here, whereas you thoughtlessly threw a tantrum without even reflecting on the fact that neither you nor I has, or should have any idea of what the real effect of COVID-19 is on theymos’ private life—let alone the lives of all the authors of those posts you just trashed.
For the record: As one who does not generally contribute content to sites run by others, I myself have carefully considered very unlikely hypothetical scenarios in which I may mass-delete all my own posts here. E.g., if I were to be administratively forbidden from red-tagging fork shills, I may decide to burn my own work and walk away. (I did say, very unlikely hypothetical scenarios.) Whereas if I were to leave the forum in anger at its administration, withdrawing thereby my own contributions, I would not take it into my own hands to destroy the work of people who had contributed to my self-moderated threads in good faith, in accord with my local rules, and sometimes even from sincere friendship toward me. In this hypothetical, I may post a note encouraging people to follow my example. But to trash others’ work myself in that circumstance would be self-centred, narcissistic, and downright treacherous of me. I would not do that. |
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At last, my witchery and my greatest magical creation have been exposed!  QUOTED! The ultimate ě̬͈̩̘v̮̘̦͕̓i͎͙̲̲̋d̨̞̹̞̽e̵͖̟̦͓͑ṅ͖͓͎͜c͔̼̯̓͟e̹̬̤̠̐: A confession from t̩͐̽̈̓ͅh̰͈͗̈̋̽è͓͖͊̈́͝ witch!* The Nullian Grand Inquisitor kisses his $5 wrench. See? Torture works, just like Hollywood and t͙̦͎̹͓͍̼͇̏̂̓h̡̧̭̜͔̦̲̩̑ė̱͇̤̮͙̮͜ CIA told you! It works every time! Guilty; |
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China must pay. Fuck off with your stereotypically hysterical American war-psychosis. Suck my giant black cock. You must be mistaking me for your lover-monkey Ibian. *plonk* ← For the n00bs, this is an old Usenet-ism which means that further replies will be filed appropriately. 🗑️Aids was originally a monkey disease. But then some fucking actual nigger ate one of them. Or possibly fucked it. And here we are It is my opinion that China must be destroyed. |
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China must pay. Fuck off with your stereotypically hysterical American war-psychosis. Unless you also want to jump on the liberal bandwagon of mass-guilt blaming all Americans of European descent for (a very few of) their ancestors having brought smallpox to the Americas...
No matter what I do, 99% of people will miss 99% of the deeper substance in my posts. I may as well make the form entertaining! Those who can get it, will get it, nevertheless.[/anchor] E.g., this is one of the top-ten most serious observations that I have ever made on this forum: All Oceana will soon be flooded with the needed fuel for a perpetual war against Eurasia Eastasia Eurasia Eastasia Eurasia (why, yes: my crystal ball says that tensions between America and China are a feint, and the real risk of war is in Eurasia). 99% of people will simply chuckle, and scroll on. |
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Quotations intentionally re-arranged a bit: Will we ever be able to come into contact with other humans again? To some, that would be a feature and not a bug. People who are perpetually fearful and socially isolated are psychologically pliable in the extreme. It is a formula for mass demoralization—as if modern peoples were had not already been demoralized to the point that they would meekly accept almost anything! It really is the end of the world as we know it. Observe the effect on domestic livestock or zoo animals who are caged individually, and disallowed all social contact with their own kind. Even those species which are ordinarily less social than humans tend to sicken and weaken in such conditions. And I have not even begun to discuss the deeper effects of severe restrictions on personal movement... But the hand shake is a big one. The fist bump isn't much better, elbow bumps aren't my thing (aren't we supposed to cough in them now?) I kind of like Iranian foot tap, but that requires being closer than 6 feet apart. For ordinary social courtesies, East Asians have a good idea with bowing. However, that does not solve the problem of people being locked down en masse, socially isolated, and psychologically deteriorating under a level of ironclad government control that is completely unprecedented in the West outside the formerly Communist-ruled countries of Europe. generate discussion
connect with the huge thing dominating the minds/lives of basically everyone on Earth. Thank you, theymos. |
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