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561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: February 08, 2017, 08:38:07 PM
Hello, can anyone tell me or point to me to some page with the info for

how many coins will ever be created
and how many currently are created each day ?

thx


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?pli=1#gid=239466694
562  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 08, 2017, 08:34:14 PM
Edited..

... About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.


Actually, to me they seem even more incompetent for this very reason.  He repeatedly said they built for months on the old codebase, and didn't even look to see what was coming out.  And everything worked until the Monero team deployed the new code... Who does that? They and everybody who knew anything about Monero knew there were going to be significant changes at the protocol level so, why in the world wouldn't you make sure you were always coding against the latest version?

That's just extremely poor project management on their part.

When you are used to copy-pasta-ing code, you don't have much foresight. It seems they wanted a free lunch.

The market doesn't work that way (at least for the most part).
563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 08, 2017, 10:17:04 AM
As soon as i seen Smoothie as the last poster here i clicked..
figuring i'd see the "Like Cash / Fiat" retort.. nope. (he used the internet)

Then.. generalizethis "Mr Fungability" played the retort  Cheesy

You guys are a broken record skipping on and on..



EDIT:

In other news the Monero dev's dice gambling site he runs was hacked for a fortune people.

Aww poor Monero can't catch a break hahahhah

So should you be demonized because you are using the internet, the same technology that cyber criminals use to carry out their illegal acts?

By the logic being spoken in this thread, that is what it is starting to sound like.
564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 08, 2017, 10:01:12 AM
...
Might as well ban spoons (because used to make crack/ice), cars (because criminals use them as getaway vehicles), brief cases (as many drug lords and thieves carry drugs and cash in them)....the list goes on.
...

There is a difference, non of these (spoons, cars or brief cases) are promoted in any way that the promoters tell you buy spoons because you can do crack/ice, or buy cars because you can use them as getaway vehicles, or ...

But the monero "community" did some great job in promoting monero, because it's accepted on dark markets and it has now a real value/use case because you can now buy drugs with it.

So from my view thats something different, and thats why your anaology does not fit in here!

People talking/discussing about ways to use Monero that may or may not be illegal (depending upon your jurisdiction) is not exactly promotion.

Just because people find a new way to use something (for "bad" or "good") and talk/discuss it, does not equal promotion. You could say it is an idea whose time has come.

People in dark circles back in the day I'm sure spoke about how cars would be a great way to be used as a getaway when committing a robbery. Just because you didn't hear that conversation doesn't mean it doesn't also align with your definition of "promotion". I'm pretty sure there was inner circles of thieves and drug lords who spoke about this new thing called an "automobile" to their other criminal friends plotting crimes. Was that promotion as well?

If people realizing the use case for SOMETHING, pick anything, and using it for that specific purpose, that isn't promotion.

Your idea that the monero "community" (which no one can pin point) promoted monero as such is pretty flimsy.

Your argument is a strawman argument. Demonizing things that have "promotion" and ignoring all of the other items and inventions in this world that are also used by criminals just because they don't fit your definition of the word "promotion" is ignorant.

As previously mentioned, I do not condone illegal usage of Monero, but people are going to do what they are doing to do with new technology that exists.

Edit: So what you are saying is that if someone says "Hey I think people should start using spoons to create crack/ice" that that would be considered promotion and thus making it a target for people to demonize. These discussions of illegal acts associated with spoons, cars, and briefcases, has happened, you just probably didn't hear them.

Think about what you are saying as your argument is quite flimsy.
565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 08, 2017, 04:30:27 AM
And then in other news:

Anonymous Hacks Darknet Hosting Site

A faction within the Anonymous movement has claimed responsibility for hacking Freedom Hosting II, a hosting company for TOR based onion websites or the darknet.

The hackers claimed that child pornography made up more than half of the data that was hosted on the servers.

This is not surprising considering the fact that the original Freedom Hosting hosted as many as half of the child porn sites on the darknet.

The hackers have since dumped the data, and it includes the email addresses of nearly 381,000 users. At least 21 percent of them are already included on haveibeenpwned.com, a website that tracks user data leaks.

<snip>

http://wearechange.org/anonymous-hacks-darknet-leaks-pedophile-databases/

Thats the crowd you're serving ... thats the crowd you're associating with ... thats your promotion vehicle ... thats the name you're putting on crypto ... the scum of planet earth

By your own logic then you are also serving & associating with any and every criminal that ever existed on the internet by using the internet.

Also you are doing the same when you use any fiat currency, you are serving & associating yourself with every criminal that ever used that type of fiat currency.

When you drive a car you are serving & associating with people who have stolen cars, smuggled drugs and illicit materials since the car was invented.

And by these 3 examples you too are associating yourself with people who deal in child porn. That's how broken your logic is.

Might as well ban spoons (because used to make crack/ice), cars (because criminals use them as getaway vehicles), brief cases (as many drug lords and thieves carry drugs and cash in them)....the list goes on.

 Tongue

Governments also then associate themselves with all types of criminals (including those dealing in child porn) by merely allowing their fiat paper to circulate and be used by these people to do such horrible things.

I don't support/condone such illegal activities, but I also don't support such broken logic as yours to associate the usage of ANYTHING to every possible criminal that has used that said THING you are trying to demonize.
566  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 07, 2017, 08:34:37 PM
WTG rangedriver, it's gonna be fun to see how everyone did when smoothie posts the final results. Also it looks like my buys are in your predicted dips! Luckily the movments are not as volatile as your freehand. Smiley

What results?  Smiley
567  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 06, 2017, 05:16:08 PM
I think monero is going to 0,01 or below because of btc's rising and the problem of jaxx integration. Xmr team shouldn't have let it.

BTC rising always pulled Monero with it. so I dont believe this time will be any different.


This is not true. Only recently has the XMR/BTC price rose along with the price of BTC/Fiat.

2015 is a perfect example of this. Much of the price rises have seen an XMR price fall in terms of BTC and sometimes in the price of fiat.

568  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XMR] Monero - Marketing Team & Tactics on: February 05, 2017, 11:22:42 AM
New for 2017!

Vintage Champagne Monero trolling, Brut edition.

Laughable Ricardo spends so much time these days worrying about DASH and hilarious of how ignorant he and the 'Tone' are with their crypto fundamentals.

Enjoy!

"So much time"

Is in your perspective.

You are knowingly supporting a scam coin despite the overwhelming evidence presented in the video.

Instead of rebutting the technical facts presented....as expected you and the rest of your cult resort to personal attacks and strawman arguments.
569  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 04, 2017, 02:08:12 AM
Hey arsehole gang, time to start bashing VCASH again, its just having a comeback.
Looks like people are bailing XMR and buy XVC instead.

I could understand them. Too much shit coming up around XMR atm.

Bashing VCASH?  Nah, there's no need to beat that dead horse.

Without John Conner there is no VCASH just as without Evan Duffield there is no DASH.

Stop conflating BUS_FACTOR=1 hobby coins with those enjoying a critical mass of developers.

I think they have a nice coin now that the psycho is gone and the crew seems to do a good job, seems a nice hobby they have.
And you're getting desperate, because you're running out of arguments.
Your head honcho developer indeed has enough critical mass, I know that just by looking at his beer tits.

But anyway, this is the Monero FBI thread, lets go on with that and observe its downward spiral into oblivion.

When one resorts to attacking one's physical appearance instead of making valid arguments it then shows the true character of the attacker.

We are all adults here please act like one.
Thanks
570  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero FUD in HD on: February 04, 2017, 02:04:50 AM
You were all proud as a peacock struttin' around here boasting about your oh so great DARK MARKET ADOPTION.

Now ?

..get on it Investards ..line up and brag about it more.

By all means don't stop on my account (or the FBI's)  Cheesy



EDIT:

What's worse ? Spoetnik's "FUD" or the FBI hunting you ?



That pic - LOL

Interesting article about Ring CT on Steemit
https://steemit.com/cryptonote/@macrochip/warning-every-cryptonote-monero-transaction-in-history-will-be-retroactively-exposed

Warning: Every CryptoNote/Monero transaction in history will be retroactively exposed

The CryptoNote codebase and its best known currency-derivative Monero, both of which prominently use ring signature anonymity as their defining feature, build their entire privacy scheme upon said feature. This is highly problematic to anyone that relies on their transactions to be anonymous not only in the present but also well into the future as I will show in the following.

If someone or something (e.g. an AI) ever were to break ring signature anonymity every CryptoNote currency's blockchain will be completely de-anonymized from beginning to end. This only has to happen once. So in regards to anonymity Cryptonote has one centralized point of failure: The robustness of its ring signature implementation.

Case in point

A (former?) Monero team member going by the name of "Shen Noether" wrote a (now deleted) blog post about how he was able to break the anonymity of ShadowCash due to an erroneous implementation of ring signatures (Here's an archived version. - And an archive of that).

Shen went on to deanonymize the entire ShadowCash blockchain from start to finish just to prove the flaw he found was serious and painfully real. Had anyone -up to that point and subsequently- ever put their faith into SDC's flawed ring signature implementation and made a life and death transaction with ShadowCash, they'd be in mortal danger right now (to emulate doomsday rhetoric heard from Monero "steward" Riccardo Spagni in regards to other privacy-oriented currency projects and their purported flaws).

...more

That is a mighty big "if".

Please go ahead and attempt to break the cryptography behind monero. I'm sure many of its supporters would welcome it.

That is how technology gets better.
571  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: As it turns out, Craig Wright actually is Satoshi! on: February 03, 2017, 07:02:16 PM

Wait, Nick Szabo's middle name was Thomas?

Oy, I'm seeing unicorns!!!


"Wanna play on my tom-tom?"

Holy fuck!  You are one weird queer.  I like that about you.   Are you jewish?

He is a TUTU wearing  grandpa!

Hey Gleb!
572  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: February 03, 2017, 06:11:23 PM
LOL

are you ready for a miracle?

http://www.praisemonero.org/
573  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 02, 2017, 07:22:30 PM
Monero partnering guide....basically dont bother:


is this basically telling that the publicly exposed monero "devs" are actually not capable to help with integration? do they even dev? who really developed monero then?

The way I understand it is fluffypony did offer some consultation regarding Jaxx's monero integration.

But if I'm not mistaken he did it for free. Jaxx wanted help at no cost to them but at the same time wanting to reap the profits of having monero integrated into their app.

Nothing was exposed except the incompetence by Jaxx and their obvious ulterior motives.

LESSON: There is no free lunch if you are the first to attempt to develop an app for a new technology like Monero.

The mocked up image is from someone who only is cherry picking details of the overall situation.
574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 02, 2017, 07:54:05 AM
that's what you call potency of the tech..

unlike DASH's snake oil crypto haha.

the FBI is worried too that the knives being manufactured is going to be used to by criminals to murder?

Yup along with many other things like cars, spoons, brief cases, tweezers, hair brushes, tooth brushes, along with the almighty USD. Hmm wonder why they aren't so worried about those things being used by criminals?

575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 02, 2017, 07:37:34 AM
What did you guys expect, that Monero will flourish and become widely accepted crypto or something?
You have to realize once and for all, every fully anonymous coin when it became bigger and gain popularity it will be destroyed by governments.
True, that they won't kill coin itself, or close all dark marketplaces, but they will remove it from being accepted by legal services, mainly exchanges.
If you think that coin will keep its potential and value by being reduced only to payment method good for purchasing illicit goods then you are being extremely naive.

 

Then the only natural reaction I can see that the free market will come up with is there will be "dark" exchanges.

Assuming you are correct in that privacy-centric coins are banned from "legal" services.

Monero as a technology doesn't care about what governments do or don't do.
576  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 01, 2017, 11:30:52 AM
I cannot see this ending well for alternates.  HitBTC and Poloniex are so deep into Monero, where unless they start covering their ass now, then we're looking at international raids and confiscation of coins like the Silkroad.   It will be a very red week and many alternates would see 5%-10% of their total supply confiscated as evidence (and presumably later sold at some auction).  There is a remote possibility, much like Bitcoin right after Silkroad, that the liquidity being seized could result in skyrocketing prices.


Confiscating privacy coins would probably not net much information or evidence for the regulators. But you make a good point. Polo is a single point of failure. Hint Hint...Bitsquare.io
577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 01, 2017, 11:29:13 AM
There have been thousands of arrests regarding BitTorrent, all over the planet.

because it was being misused in the eyes of the law, not because someone had downloaded and done nothing with it. there is nothing illegal about using it to torrent stuff that either you own the copyright for or doesn't have any copyright. the prosecutions are about how it was used, not the software itself.

BT is just a protocol. If its used for criminal activity the shackles are clicking.
Monero promotes itself as a currency for the Darknet, thats what they've put on their flag, small stupid difference here.

Proof?

And who is "Monero"?

What company is in charge of Monero? Who is its CEO?

Promoted? Where?

i dunno who has the Github password ?

@cengsuwuei
Dark Market activity is a problem in the USA.
I read about a story where a guy was arrested via Bitcoin + Alpha Bay selling Fentanyl through the mail.
And in case you did not know my country Canada is having a massive severe epidemic with SHIT LOADS of people dying from it and ..Carfentenyl.

Simply coming into contact with a couple grains of Carfentenyl can kill an adult !
Now imagine that flowing through the US or CAN postal service and a package rips open killing a mail man..
Or some teen buys some with Monero then dies..

Imagine the tax payer bill when a call is made and they have to show up with hazmat suits like a nuclear waste spill happened. <-- this has happened in the News with Fentanyl lots before.

You think these sleazy greedy losers care about small children being exploited for child pornography on Dark Markets ?
If they did why were they running around this forum bragging about how Monero is now used on Alpha Bay ?

You think these greedy little fucking Investards care that they are providing a platform for Terrorist funding to attack US citizens ?
Kids dying from Drug overdoses ?
Of course not.. they simply rail on defending their criminal bullshit.

Monero - The Criminal Coin™

Brought to you by rpietila / Risto with his Silver tea pot collection and pink Bentley and Castle.

Everything you pretty much claim is done in fiat. All of those criminal activities are done in fiat trash. Moot point.

Do I condone illegal activities? No.

Do I condone financial privacy? Yes.

If you don't like privacy please remove all your doors, curtains, and passwords to all of your accounts. Always take a shit in a glass house where everyone can see you OH and...Also post your bank statements on the internet so we can all them.

Having the github password doesn't really mean anything. Monero was created initially by ThankfulForToday. Much like bitcoin if Satoshi were around he probably would have been taken into custody or questioned.

Do you see the FBI going after the people who hold Bitcoin's github password?

Once again, moot point.

Try again.
578  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [FREE] Monero Brass Coin Giveaway on: February 01, 2017, 06:16:17 AM
smoothie, can you tell us approximately how many freebies have been sent out?  I'd love to know and expect others would too.  You mentioned coins getting lost\stolen and I think that's great.  I wonder how many people have inadvertently been turned onto monero because of you. =)

My last count that was sent out was around ~560.

I have like 300 or so backlog of requests.

So i'd wager to say I'm closing in on 900 or so if you count the ones I haven't sent out yet.
579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 01, 2017, 04:49:22 AM
There have been thousands of arrests regarding BitTorrent, all over the planet.

because it was being misused in the eyes of the law, not because someone had downloaded and done nothing with it. there is nothing illegal about using it to torrent stuff that either you own the copyright for or doesn't have any copyright. the prosecutions are about how it was used, not the software itself.

BT is just a protocol. If its used for criminal activity the shackles are clicking.
Monero promotes itself as a currency for the Darknet, thats what they've put on their flag, small stupid difference here.

Proof?

And who is "Monero"?

What company is in charge of Monero? Who is its CEO?

Promoted? Where?
580  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero under scrutiny of the FBI on: February 01, 2017, 04:43:30 AM
Lets try to stay on topic, shall we.
I know thats asking a lot from Icey .. but still...



The topic of the FBI's scrutiny of Monero invites discussion of why they are not giving a shit about and scrutinizing Dash.

The question of the value of informing 150 law students about Monero (and what it would cost Dash to do the same) is also relevant.



Which I reckon Evan and the cult have tried to consider getting the attention of TPTB to look at dash and how that would be positive for dash. Also the costs to get such a "showing" in dog and pony show lol.

It cost 0 for Monero to get the attention of the FBI.

ZEEEE ROW
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