Anyway, in your case you hired lawyer
If I were to create additional accounts I would be the one violating the self-exclusion. And that also was in 2013, a year where almost all websites required you to go under KYC. You can't compare 2013 to 2020 where you can open tons of accounts with an email and a password. And in that point I agree/concede - you made some valid points, and I totally feel for the OP here (of the other thread - however his name is - saturent etc.) However back in 2013, having a registered KYC verified account - self excluding it, and still allowing you to reopen it - that's negligence, however you want to look at it - that is plain stupid from the casino's side, not from my end ... when I used that account back then my mind wasn't thinking about how to sue it - I remind you the settlement was achieved almost 5 years later. Now, As for this "Saturent" - this guy came to the forum initially as neymarjr and got his issue settled, then he came again under different users making us believe in the forum each account is genuine - until he slipped and someone else recorded it.... he also posted in rent font as Boris7 or something like that ... that's cheating ... you don't the whole truth and you're not being honest .... If he has a gambling problem he could say it, one person did come forward and explained he lost a lot of money in SportsBet.io due to having a gambling problem and was advised to pursue the matter legally which I think is the only way to do something about it - but I wouldn't call him a scammer or cheater because he was honest about what happened and he didn't try to create several accounts with several users in Bitcointalk. There is a huge distinction between doing the right thing and the wrong thing - there is no doubt this Saturent guy did the wrong thing - you just don't resolve your issues like this. |
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You can when you explain me how arbitrage betting is not in violation of bookie's ToS and you didn't cheat. Sounds like...shady rule, right?
When someone bullies you and he doesn't stop - then all means to retaliate are ok until he stops. |
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Now, do you have proofs that someone created 20 accounts on this forum to run scam after scam accusation against a bookie? It might look like humor to someone but that is exactly what you are trying to say here.
Here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5266626.msg54975410#msg54975410saturent saturent2 saturent7 saturent01 saturent09 saturent99  The number 20 was a figure of speech. Marlboroza - is it okay to call you "Mr Perfect"? |
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You cheated one gambling site and when they took your money you wasn't really happy with that. You were fine with breaking their ToS:
I wasn't the one who cheated - they explicitly reopened my account, sent me bonuses and asking me to give it a shot, despite having a self-excluded account with them. Did I circumvent the rules and tried to reopen another account? No. They did it with the very same account, repeatedly, several times. I was vulnerable at that time, they were wrong for doing it, they had to pay for it, it's their fault, not mine - and that's why they paid. It might not sit with your agenda but it sits perfectly fine with my conscious. |
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I deposited 0.0000 BTC in SportsBet.io and they don't want to pay my winnings!
As a result I've decided to open 20 users in BitcoinTalk and start accusations against SportsBet.io making people believe each claim is genuine and honest.
They accused me of having multiple accounts, but I deleted a post from my end proving that I had multiple accounts, and I've changed my password 1 hour after deleting that post and I want the forum to believe me that my claims are genuine.
In a nutshell,
I'm trying to scam SportsBet.io and I wasted people's time in this forum making them believe my accusations are genuine, I also wasted genuine users' time who actually do need proper support from SportsBet.io and people like me just waste everyone's time by trying to scam SportsBet.io
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Now in a serious note, I think new users should not be allowed to post scam accusations in this forum until they become a high ranked member or have some other type of protection so newbies won't be able to do what they did in the past few weeks.
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This sounds extremely absurd.
It's not absurd, I know it's hard for you to see things from my perspective but you just have to realize this is the truth.  You can find out who the lawyer is already from the payment slip provided earlier, and I'm trying not to disclose any further information because I cannot disclose who the casino is, and I still have some respect for Game Protect for helping me with it - I am only posting this here so you could see, appreciate, and understand he really helped me, and there is no lie about it. Other than that we have no business/personal/family relations whatsoever, none none none. |
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So I take this allegation against Sportsbet is unfounded.
Just as the other allegations against Sportsbet have been virtually unfounded, this is another one that got far too much exposure than it deserved.
It seems the OP was using the same address to send BTC to Sportsbet that was used for another account therefore was in breach of Sportsbet ToS.
In this instance it is very clear Sportsbet were well within their rights to ban the user accounts for multi-accounting even if 2 different KYC were provided simply because a single BTC address was used.
There is a high probability that Sportsbet would have kept quiet and took no action if the OP had lost funds and kept losing them but took action after he won or tried to withdraw won funds BUT there is no proof that would have happened. When a user accepts ToS for using Sportsbet or any other betting website, they play by the rules or they will be banned.
Conclusion #1: Sportsbet acted well within their ToS that the OP willing signed up to do therefore Sportsbet did nothing wrong
Conclusion #2: Never use the same IP address, never use the same device to place bets and never use the same BTC address to send/withdraw funds when using Sportsbet otherwise you will be in breach of their ToS
Totally seconded, and I would have merited you for this post, but since you've been such an s in the GameProtect/GetPaid thread I would just say I agree with the above, and these are good conclusions (if I were a new user I'd be careful because of Conclusion #2 and maybe SportsBet.io should make things a bit clear in that regards so a genuine user who's 100% genuine won't get stuck with a similar drama like we had in this thread). |
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One simple doesn't "mind their own business" when someone says": Game Protect from Get-Paid.com's point of view is an excellent source to help people to make legal claims against legal issues they had with gambling operators I am no longer in favor of this opinion, I used to say it back then because Game Protect helped me but since the last incidents he had including one that involved me personally - then my opinion of Game Protect is neutral and I'd rather not have any business with him or related to him and I'd like this forum to stop pestering me with this once and for all. Please don't use what you saw on his site, I honestly don't remember what we agreed back then and everything was recorded on his site which is no longer available, so honestly I can't tell you what was back then, I'm trying to remember as best as I could - it was quite a while ago and if you don't "buy" my story then don't, take it or leave it the way it is, everyone has skeletons and nobody's perfect, so sorry if I'm not being 100% consistent here, I honestly can't be more than what I've been doing here and I'd like to put it behind me and please don't ask me anymore questions about Game Protect, you're free to ask me questions about my own businesses - by all means! Oh, ok then, you "donated" in advance but you didn't because you insisted on "no-win-no-fee" but you actually "donated" twice. How many times are you going to change story?
See above, sorry if you don't like what I'm telling you, I'm pretty close to describe what happened more or less. Try to grab the rest from Game Protect or alternatively just forget about him and move on.[/quote] The part that I focused on was that Get-Paid.com found game-protect trustworthy and that speaks volumes about Get-Paid.com.
You need to move forward, this part is already dead by now, since Jenni's case. Please quote some new quotes from that thread instead of going several years backwards. |
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Thanks for sharing this - even based on that, many things in this case still aren't being handled correctly (my 2 cents) but yeah - this is multi-accounting and while I also still feel that bookmakers use that rule to their advantage (don't care as long as the ppl are losing), I still have to withdraw my flag support for now.
I agree SportsBet.io in some way are being a PITA (=pain in the ***) with this multi account thing, but if these are the types of users they deal with ... well, if I were them I wouldn't be sure if I wouldn't do the same things - in the past before we installed a fingerprint system, we had in our site a group of scammers speaking "english berry good, I think admin getpaid berry good" created like 20 accounts and completed the same surveys repeatedly - these were $4 - $8 surveys, high paying ones - we suspended all their accounts because we didn't want the issue to repeat itself. If we had let them or one of them get paid and realize they can keep on "coming back for more" we would have jeopardized our business relationship with the advertiser - so whilst I agree that maybe some other sites might be lenient and this one seems to be more strict - I think this is up to the site itself to decide how to handle it so long as they have the evidence and now we all got the evidence we were looking for... I do appreciate what was revealed here anyway and would wait for the OP to explain this or else I would for the first time actually mark my vote - an opposition for a flag created against Sportsbet.io |
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You said it was around $10500 (take a look again https://archive.is/sHtI7#selection-6355.186-6355.209), why would you say it was around $10500 the day after you received payment while it was $10K? Makes no sense. Ok, lets say you lost memory in a day so it was $10K. 70% is 7000$, so $1432 are missing. The lawyer got 30%, not 45% - it doesn't matter if it reached court or not, the lawyer did his job and got his own share, which is fair in my opinion. GameProtect got 15% I got 55%-ish (see below) The total claim was around $10,000 - 10,500 - I am not 100% sure and honestly I don't really care what was the exact amount back then, to the dollar/cent - am I under an investigation in a police station now or what? Seriously, the easiest answer is "Mind your own business" but I've been trying to play it fair and nice and provide whatever you asked for but there is a limit to how much you can annoy someone over this. Nop, that's not what you said. I specifically asked you about that and you said that you donated in advance, take another look:
He got paid in advance before the claim and he got paid afterwards as well. I don't remember the amount I paid beforehand but I don't think it was a large amount. ...so what 1432$ fees are you exactly talking about?
30% to the lawyer, correct. $1432 to GameProtect (payable after winning the case, not before, I insisted on a no-win-no-fee after paying some amount beforehand). It should be $1500 and not $1432 btw but I am not going to go down into these details. You're making a fuss about it much more than it should be, and I totally understand you guys are over and super suspicious with some people here but honestly I'm doing you a favor of sharing those things with you and getting nothing/zero in return (don't need you to trust me, don't need any favors from you) - anyway throw the book one more time and you won't get any further answers as I really don't owe you anything, in addition to the despicable attitude from some members here. |
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Yes the general consensus here seems to be they are two different people but initially things seemed a lot more deeper than them just having a fleeting aquiantence.
BS. Would you bet 1 BTC on it? I would. If you dare - please place your bet. |
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And to be honest, date on that paper is just one day older than your post in game-protect's topic, while 70% of $10500 is $7350, I find very strange that you were very happy with missing $1782, unless you didn't notice that it is missing? Something just doesn't sound right here.
The total amount was $10k, from this the lawyer got some fees taken, and GameProtect also got his fees deducted hence the amount you see is what I got after all fees were taken. |
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And thats your contribution to the whole thread?  I wish I could help you to get this resolved. I'm really feeling for you, and I've been saying it from day 1. They have full anonymity and only reputation to rely on and yet they get so much "respect" from too many Bitcoin Talk members here which makes it even more suspicious where is the real integrity of Bitcoin Talk? (I'd love it if an admin could get involved with these unscrupulous practices). Regarding your very own problem why haven't you created a flag until now? Please create one. The first poster (neymarjr) got his issue resolved only after a flag was created. It's time every accuser will follow suit and let the integrity of this forum to hopefully win or express its genuine verdict. |
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Why is there no flag?
OP please create one.
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Are there another ways to draw more attention to such situations? Sportsbet just leaves auto-replies in all topics.
Yes, create a flag and edit your first post to clearly show the flag. A flag would create a nice big red banner over their main thread as well which currently seems to be "clean" with no wrongdoing. |
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Actually, if they only improved their handling on costumer care, there would not be all this mess around.
*customer care |
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The lawyer informed you that the case is lost and closed?
And this was caused by the idiocy of Game Protect?
How?
Game Protect, I understand you're upset I called you an idiot and you sent me an email about it yesterday to which I don't wish to reply via email. Here is what Jenni (I previously said Jenny, apologies, spelled with 'i') - this is what she informed me: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 9:57:58 AM Did you happen to hear back from the casino at all? October 11, 2019 1:58 PM Have you had any response? Oct 23, 2019, 1:18 PM Hi Get Paid Sorry for the delay - I am working away from home at the moment. I have asked ****** and am waiting for a response at the moment. As soon as I hear back i'll let you know. Nov 25, 2019, 6:30 PM Hi Get Paid Please see below. I have been chasing but am unable to get a response. Have you heard anything more your end? Nov 26, 2019, 10:36 PM Hi Get Paid See below. I don’t suppose you know of anyone else with a claim against this casino? Should I just move on from this? On November the lawyer said:
The casino cannot be reached by email, the operator is not registered anymore at the Chamber of Commerce and the operator lost its license. What we can do is file for bankruptcy but then I would need at least one more creditor. A bankruptcy trustee has far more possibilities than a lawyer has to look for assets and/or relevant info. If you can find one more creditor willing to participate we can consider filing for bankruptcy. I will await your reply. Jenni was looking for another victim of casinovenetian.info but she couldn't find any. No, the lawyer never said it's all lost but it took you a long time to respond to her (a month and a half). Again - I don't complain, I don't criticize any side here too much, but I used the term "idiot" because a proper business provides proper customer service. If we won't respond to our users within hours if not days at most (!!) then we would be criticized as well. So yes, the term is in place - it's an idiotic thing not to provide proper customer support and it's an idiotic thing not to respond on time. Did I say I trust you? No. Did I say I don't trust you? No. I'm unbiased and please leave me this way, you handle your own business and I'll handle mine, we don't have to continue being in touch so please keep it that way, thank you! |
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The OP has been updated
Thank you for promoting our business. |
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By that logic can Get-Paid.com prove he is not game-protect?
I can prove your logic makes 0 sense and you're just a pathetic leech who can't let go from his false accusations. You are a definition of a parasite, a fucking low life leech who's so bored so he chooses to bother random people in Bitcoin Talk. |
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