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621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: November 02, 2023, 12:21:01 PM
Yes but that is still uncertain, because it is not necessarily that just by looking at the records they can reduce their gambling because they see a much larger number of losses. As I said before the record can make someone do two things, first yes maybe they realize and reduce it because they don't want to get worse and secondly you have also said that it is very possible that by looking at the record they do not accept when they see the amount of defeat is much bigger then they will get emotional and continue to gamble by applying greed to catch up with the defeat in the previous time. I think it depends on the perspective of each individual, I can't say that for sure because only they know what's best for themselves. Hopefully there are some who look at this topic and they actually consider our conversation about what luck is and how it works.

By understanding all the ways luck works in gambling then I'm sure there's no reason for them to act greedy, because obviously there are no guarantees and certainties out there, so it's better to reconsider everything you're going to do in gambling. Yes, of course, and by understanding what is meant by luck, it is clear that they will not be affected by every temptation that comes.
Yes, it's not necessarily because it depends on each gambler. After all, some will be fine after paying attention to their gambling records, but there will also be those who will have the desire to try to recover their losses. It is best if they are willing to start reducing their gambling activities so that it will also reduce the amount of losses. But I hope that those who visit this thread and want to read about it can consider it and want to try it for their own good because everything can change so that it can be even better. Having a gambling record can be a limitation for someone so they don't gamble too much.

You are right because by understanding everything, they can control their greed and because there is no guarantee of winning from gambling, they will realize that they will not get a bigger chance of winning. From their gambling records, they can see the number of wins and losses and think about not using more money in gambling. They will also learn to resist this temptation so that it does not influence them to continue gambling.

Well basically maybe like you said it depends on each individual in response to his record, whether they will try to return the loss or vice versa by acting more carefully to reduce the number of losses along with always taking precautions. And on the other hand this problem is really beyond our control, maybe I hope they can read our discussion, nothing but just to be taken into consideration so that their gambling involvement does not get worse in the future.

If they are completely familiar with gambling along with luck then yes as I said before there is no reason at all to put greed in their gambling, because I'm sure they will worry if the final result is not in accordance with what they expect. So with this they will be able to apply the statement that "it is better to prevent than to cure" and also yes maybe they won't be
622  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 12:46:35 PM
Yeah that's right, Chelsea have done their best by recruiting some expensive players and replaced several coaches but the results did not match expectations so I agree Chelsea just need time to adjust everything and find the strategy and rhythm of the game. We know Pochettino has ability but currently he cannot implement the strategy well for several reasons basically he still has time until the end of the season.
Chelsea has spent a lot of money to recruit several player this season but in fact Chelsea performanced this season is not much different from last season, Pochettino has not made any significant changes to this clubs, I wonder why Chelsea is not as consistentcy as this after successfully hold Arsenal to a draw In the previous match, I thought Chelsea had started to recover and would play better than before, but it turned out that Chelsea lost when they hosted Brentford and Chelsea couldn't even score a goal in that match, so Chelsea was forced to lose points in that match.

True, Todd was willing to spend a lot of money for the good and progress of his squad, the amount of funds he spent was not playing, it was very large, and with the amount of large expenditures it made us or Todd himself initially optimistic that there would be significant progress at Chelsea with the amount of new ammunition that had been brought in. But apparently what happened was, yes there was absolutely no progress at all from this club, I don't understand what the core of the problem is, if we look at Pochettino I think he is one of the coaches who should be able to make changes to a team that is slumping with his myriad experiences in the Premier League, but yes maybe it's too early to say that, maybe Pochettino needs a lot of time to make significant changes to Chelsea, whether it will happen next season or even the next few seasons, we'll just wait.

Yes it is true, in the previous match Chelsea were able to hold the match to a draw against Arsenal, I also quite agree with you, maybe we can consider this result by concluding that maybe there has been a slight change from Chelsea by holding a draw against Arteta's squad. I think this is really a surprising thing because it is quite difficult to get a draw against Arsenal, and yes it turns out I was wrong, because as you said in the next match against Brenford there was absolutely no good result from Chelsea, with this then maybe I will conclude that the results they achieved against Arsenal were nothing more than luck.
623  Economy / Economics / Re: Biting more than i can chew. How can i do better? on: November 01, 2023, 08:28:22 AM
All of a sudden, everything changed. I lost one of my most loyal clients due to a car accident. I started getting fewer job opportunities. My monthly earnings were so low that I could hardly afford anything. All the friends I had left me, with only a few remaining. That's when I realized that I could do better. It's been over five months now, and things are still not completely okay for me. But I want to change and plan for myself.

See, this is the most important thing that really needs to happen at least once in your lifetime. Don't regret what you've done before. Those money you have spent and the time you have spent enjoying the things you like is a memory of a lifetime and it's gonna be priceless.
However, you have to always remember from now on that everything that goes up must come down at a certain period of time. You've just learned a valuable lessons and experienced the highest time of your life, now you need to fix everything up and I bet you know what you need to do to avoid struggling when times like these happens again. At least now you're more ready than not.

Agree to your assumption, this is a very valuable life lesson and it seems that everyone needs to experience something like this in his life, none other than because we can get better from the bitter experiences we have experienced, everything will definitely have a lesson, just like you experience failure in business, if there is no failure then you cannot develop further and will not be able to know what you should do if you are in such difficult conditions. That's right, never regret what you've done, it's what should happen and God will definitely test everyone through some problems, which God definitely gives a test according to the person's ability.

Life will always spin, that's the wheel of life, you won't always be on top, everything will go in turns. Whatever happens and whatever happens to you is nothing but something that will be able to make you better, the key is that you must remain grateful, it doesn't matter if you experience a little regret because it's natural, but on the other hand you must be able to make that experience the most valuable lesson, and yes that's right with that incident then you will know what you have to do next to be better and absolutely not repeat something in the form of a possibility that will make you fall in the same hole.
624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: November 01, 2023, 08:01:22 AM
Yes, there is basically no other method as a preventive measure except self-control and some restrictions, that's it, it looks quite easy but I'm sure almost all gamblers find it difficult to apply this method. The biggest risk they can face is addiction, honestly I'm not sure if you or they can survive in such conditions, because addiction will always be the worst point for someone in gambling. I'm sure everyone doesn't want to get into the addiction zone but on the other hand they always focus on chasing victory, even though that mindset is always your starting point for addiction. So the point is if they know about the concept of luck then I'm sure they won't act like that, because no matter how often you try, if in the end you are unlucky, you will lose again. So it's also important to understand what luck means and how it works. It is very important to understand so that when you experience defeat you will not continue to chase victory.

But that awareness must also really come out of his conscience by understanding the concept of luck, because it is not uncommon for them to just say it but not really realize and the next day it's like that again. Yes, of course it will return to each individual in his awareness, the point is I hope they understand the concept of luck.
If having this record can make them reduce their gambling activities, they shouldn't need to worry about anything. They can prevent them from gambling continuously because they have good self-control so they can limit themselves. But some gamblers don't have a gambling record and they are still doing well now because they can be disciplined in gambling and don't pursue anything except just wanting entertainment from gambling. They also never think about chasing victory if they manage to win, whatever the amount because they know it is difficult so they would rather accept whatever the winning amount is. They also know that gambling requires luck, so if they lose because they don't have luck, they won't continue gambling because that will only make them lose more.

And that's the point of having discipline in gambling so that we are not influenced by anything we see from gambling. Additionally, for gambling records, it will depend on each gambler. If they are comfortable seeing the number of wins and losses, they can keep a gambling record. But if not, they also don't need to keep a record of their gambling.

Yes but that is still uncertain, because it is not necessarily that just by looking at the records they can reduce their gambling because they see a much larger number of losses. As I said before the record can make someone do two things, first yes maybe they realize and reduce it because they don't want to get worse and secondly you have also said that it is very possible that by looking at the record they do not accept when they see the amount of defeat is much bigger then they will get emotional and continue to gamble by applying greed to catch up with the defeat in the previous time. I think it depends on the perspective of each individual, I can't say that for sure because only they know what's best for themselves. Hopefully there are some who look at this topic and they actually consider our conversation about what luck is and how it works.

By understanding all the ways luck works in gambling then I'm sure there's no reason for them to act greedy, because obviously there are no guarantees and certainties out there, so it's better to reconsider everything you're going to do in gambling. Yes, of course, and by understanding what is meant by luck, it is clear that they will not be affected by every temptation that comes.
625  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 31, 2023, 09:48:29 AM
Yes, he still has time to improve the perfrmance of his foster children, but how long does he need to do it all? because the league continues to run and in my opinion he is not long enough to be able to improve the performance of Manchester United. They are not doing well in the Premier League, as well as in the Champions League. They still have a chance I would say the same thing, but if they don't improve in the near future then it's not impossible that they will lose their place in the Champions League. Ending up in the Europa League is not a good thing, especially when the group they are in actually gives them a great chance.

Ten Hag had time to create a team, he had the whole last season to do this, now everything is different, they expected much better results from him, they expected MU to be able to fight for the championship, but instead Manchester United is in the middle of the table and the team is playing frankly weakly. I don't see how ten Hag could improve the game, weak attack, weak defense, and the morale of the team is in decline. I am more inclined to think that Manchester United will have to look for a new coach again.

Well actually Ten Hag has had time since last season to make changes to his team to make it look more promising, I think they already have that formula to present or display this season, but it turns out that there is no change and even now things are much worse. Last season they were able to finish third in the standings, which made some speculation appear that made everyone especially the fans believe that this season had a good chance of securing the top, but it turned out that when the season was running everything was far from expected.

For the current conditions I honestly wouldn't expect more from them, let alone to become champions at the end of the season, it seems impossible. 8th place in the table is very bad for a team like Manchester United. Yes, their movement and play looks monotonous, the defense is weak and also the attack is very blunt. Ten Hag said that the main problem of his squad this season is consistency, I agree with that, and that means I will blame him because none other than the management for the development of his squad is very poor, so it is only natural that Ten Hag should be blamed for this problem.
626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Minimum Age to gamble on: October 31, 2023, 09:26:15 AM
Although gambling sets a minimum age limit, this will not affect. As long as they already understand how to gamble and when they see gambling advertisements on the internet, maybe they will try it. With the initial intention of just "trying", what I'm afraid of is that with the beginning of trying over time they will get hooked and become addicted. As you said, even children seem to have the opportunity to do something like this because now many small children are always playing PCs and cellphones. It's just that they have no curiosity about gambling yet. So their parents should be able to monitor things when they play cell phones, because no one knows what is in people's minds.
It's difficult as a parent to supervise because I think it might also invade his privacy, it's best to just give directions about what is not good and what is good for him, for example if we ask about gambling we can explain the dangers of gambling, a child will definitely ask his parents before doing it. something they don't know about and we can also check the finances given to our children, sometimes if our children are too wasteful we can ask what the money is spent on.

At least we can know where the money is spent, if he is involved in gambling, he needs to be closely monitored and guided not to go too far in gambling. It is true that nowadays online casinos sometimes make it easier to get people to want to play on their sites, even young people under the age can play slot gambling and if asked for verification they pay for someone else's identity and then pay. There is no influence of the minimum age on gambling, but the duties as parents have an important influence on their children not being involved in any gambling.

But if it is their own biological child I don't think there is anything limiting including privacy, because obviously parents have power over whatever their children do, they have rights. Yes, I agree with that, parents are supposed to direct every activity that their children do, if it is bad then both parents should direct it to something better, and let them know that the actions they do can be bad for themselves or even for others. Like small children they have a high curiosity about anything, so parents must be able to really educate them to something better. If they are caught gambling then yes you have to limit them as much as possible, do anything that can keep them away from gambling such as for example limit the use of cellphones, keep them away from bad associations in their environment, it is very important.

For money problems too, yes we have to be a little suspicious of them, if the money you give runs out quickly then you have to ask them where the money is allocated or they buy anything that makes the money run out quickly, if the reason is odd enough then you have to suspect it and check what they are doing. Especially what they access on their cell phones, because as you said online gambling is very easy to reach. We cannot eradicate this gambling problem completely because it is almost impossible, removing one online gambling site then after that hundreds of new sites will appear. So what parents can do is prevent their children from reaching gambling on their cellphones, it is very dangerous and can damage their future.
627  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 31, 2023, 09:05:22 AM
I will honestly never get tired of saying that self-control and some limits are the first things that every gambler must have, and if they ignore this then don't be surprised when defeat always dominates you, as you said the more definite impact is that they will quickly enter the stage of addiction, In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands, you're going to want to make sure that you've got a good idea of what you're going to be doing. Checking the amount of defeat that turns out to be greater than the victory, it is also very likely to make them upset so that they continue to gamble to restore the amount of defeat, even though it is not recommended because obviously they will waste time and money and what happens is that the amount of defeat is even greater.

Checking gambling records in my opinion can make people aware and better and also vice versa, as discussed above it can also make them even more upset because it turns out that the amount of loss is greater, and I think for the problem of awareness it depends on each individual in reacting to it. I think privacy will only make it more difficult for them to get out of the zone, because how can people help them if they don't tell their problems.
I would also say the same thing as you because after all, self-control plays a role in preventing us from experiencing a lot of losses so that we will not sink deeper into gambling. We have to overcome and avoid problems that will arise and this has been experienced by many people who often gamble. If we don't want to experience the same thing as them, we really have to learn better control so that it can protect us while we gamble and after we finish gambling, we won't experience a lot of losses or want to recover from those losses. If we lose, there will be a feeling of wanting to recover from that loss, but if we have good self-control, we will not try to recover because it will be difficult for us. We will lose more and more and that means we will lose more and more money.

As long as the person is aware and willing to admit that he has used a lot of money just for gambling and is willing to reduce his use of money, he can really reduce his gambling activities so as not to experience more and more losses. But it all depends on each person's wishes because we can suggest something like that but if the person doesn't want to do it and thinks that he is still okay when looking at the gambling records, that's up to them. The important thing is that we should always limit ourselves and if we think having a gambling record is good for us, we can create one. But if not, we don't need to create it.

Yes, there is basically no other method as a preventive measure except self-control and some restrictions, that's it, it looks quite easy but I'm sure almost all gamblers find it difficult to apply this method. The biggest risk they can face is addiction, honestly I'm not sure if you or they can survive in such conditions, because addiction will always be the worst point for someone in gambling. I'm sure everyone doesn't want to get into the addiction zone but on the other hand they always focus on chasing victory, even though that mindset is always your starting point for addiction. So the point is if they know about the concept of luck then I'm sure they won't act like that, because no matter how often you try, if in the end you are unlucky, you will lose again. So it's also important to understand what luck means and how it works. It is very important to understand so that when you experience defeat you will not continue to chase victory.

But that awareness must also really come out of his conscience by understanding the concept of luck, because it is not uncommon for them to just say it but not really realize and the next day it's like that again. Yes, of course it will return to each individual in his awareness, the point is I hope they understand the concept of luck.
628  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: October 30, 2023, 11:38:22 AM

In my own analysis of people who dangerously chase their losses, over 75% of people who seriously chase their losses ends up as losing more money instead of getting them back from gambling. In my own opinion about the subject of the matter, I think it's better to avoid trying to get back our losses at that very time we lost the money because we won't be cool headed enough to be strategic and gamble rightly which will help us to win.


The gambler who target the loss in the gambling site should need of the time to recover the loss.Seriously no need to worry for the gambling loss,because after the certain period every gambler had the chance for the big win to the gambling sites.It’s better to manage the loss by using the free money to the gambling sites.The new can be begin certain money in few few month and recover all the losses the certain people

Maybe you mean gamblers who are always chasing victory, I agree with that statement because it is true and in accordance with the fact that anyone who is too serious in pursuing victory in gambling then instead of victory they get but instead of defeat will continue to dominate. I honestly don't really agree not to worry too much about the name of defeat even though there will definitely be certain times for them to get lucky, but I want to ask if the victory will match the number of defeats they have sacrificed? while on the other hand the percentage of defeat is much greater than victory, and that means there must be more defeat than victory, that's clear.

This is always the initial disease that causes them to be addicted, they misinterpret an opportunity that is not at all certain, even though the victory comes but look at the number of defeats is much greater because they get one victory with dozens of attempts and it is not healthy for recovery. The results in gambling are very dependent on luck, so even if you try as often as possible if you don't get luck then you will still lose, so you should never think about chasing defeat, it's better to reduce your gambling from now on the final results can never be predicted.
629  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 30, 2023, 08:44:30 AM
Although with all their strength Manchester United want to match the game from Manchester City, but we can see the difference in strength between these two clubs. Manchester United we know they are not doing well, on the other hand Manchester City are much better prepared in this match. Indeed, in the last few matches Manchester City also faced some problems, but when compared to what Manchester United experienced, of course they were better from any point of view.
The final score shows that there is a gap in strength between these two clubs, Manchester United is in a slump.

This match shows that ten Hag was unable to create a team that could compete for the championship, moreover, I doubt that they have a chance to finish this season in the top 4. For ten Hag, everything is even worse, I guess that he could lose his place on the team. Manchester United scored only 11 goals in 10 rounds, a very bad indicator, the same goes for the defense, they concede a lot and obviously ten Hag is not able to change this.
Man United deserved defeat, because Man City dominated in everything, they were unable to give Man United the opportunity to open the goal. It cannot be denied that Rashford's movements are very closed and even seem ineffective if he doesn't have the right partner. Apart from that, Haaland has made Man United his favorite goalscorer in the Premier League. In total, while defending Man City, Haaland has collected more than 7 goals at Man United. Erik Ten Hag was unable to solve the strategy puzzle implemented by Pep Guardiola, so from this match it was clear how little attack Man United built.
630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 30, 2023, 08:30:05 AM
And also none other than their desire to continue gambling is based on curiosity and greed for the winnings that are difficult for them to get or want to increase the amount of winnings that they have clearly gotten, but like those who are addicted they will never be enough with what they have gotten and always want more than that. In my opinion, it is quite natural why most of those who are addicted are from the lower middle class or in the sense that their finances are not good, it is none other than their goal to come to gambling because they want to increase their finances by making some wins that are clearly very difficult to get, instead of getting a win but the opposite happens, they actually suffer a lot of losses and after that they are even crazier to chase the win because they don't accept the defeat at the previous time. For the problem of impact, don't ask anymore, as you said the pressure they will definitely feel and also even to depression and the worst impact maybe they will be stressed and also maybe they could commit suicide because they are not strong with such conditions, I don't rarely find cases like that. If the level of addiction is very severe then yes they need help from others, because it is impossible with conditions like that they realize by themselves, I hope anyone who is now still gambling please stay firm on self-control.
Yes, it is normal for people to become addicted to gambling because they cannot control themselves while gambling and have no other activities especially when they look at their gambling records, they find that the number of losses is still greater than the number of wins. It will indirectly be recorded in his subconscious memory and tell him that he must be able to recover his losses one day and that can make him continue gambling without stopping. If that happens, he may not be able to recover his previous losses but it will only increase his losses even more because of his lack of self-control in gambling. But if there is a person who does not have a record of his gambling, that does not necessarily make that person a bad gambler because he could just use gambling as a way to have fun in addition to using other activities. So if we don't have a gambling record, we have a reason but we don't tell other people because it's private.

I will honestly never get tired of saying that self-control and some limits are the first things that every gambler must have, and if they ignore this then don't be surprised when defeat always dominates you, as you said the more definite impact is that they will quickly enter the stage of addiction, In the event that you've got a lot of time on your hands, you're going to want to make sure that you've got a good idea of what you're going to be doing. Checking the amount of defeat that turns out to be greater than the victory, it is also very likely to make them upset so that they continue to gamble to restore the amount of defeat, even though it is not recommended because obviously they will waste time and money and what happens is that the amount of defeat is even greater.

Checking gambling records in my opinion can make people aware and better and also vice versa, as discussed above it can also make them even more upset because it turns out that the amount of loss is greater, and I think for the problem of awareness it depends on each individual in reacting to it. I think privacy will only make it more difficult for them to get out of the zone, because how can people help them if they don't tell their problems.
631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 29, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
So far Nottingham Forest for the last 5 matches have not won except for a lot of draws, so here I conclude Liverpool can win more easily even more than two goals that's what I think, on the other hand we heard news from Luiz Diaz's family that his parents have been kidnapped in Colombia, now only the father needs to be saved.
I hope Diaz stays mentally strong.


Easy win for Liverpool and it's going to be in front of the Kop. Although Nothingham forest won Liverpool last season, it's a much better team now thanks to the additions that made the midfield much more solid and reliable so I expect Liverpool to win effortlessly. I do hope that Salah and Nunez gets on the scoresheet because it would benefit my FPL team and parley bets.

If we look at the difference between the two in the current conditions then yes I would agree with you, and maybe some people will also assume the same that this is a fairly easy match for Liverpool. In ten matches Liverpool managed to win six matches, three draws and only one defeat, while in the Notingham Forest camp from the last ten matches they could only win two wins, three defeats and the rest mostly drew, this made them finally in the bottom 15. Maybe I think with these statistics alone we can already confirm who will be able to get full points in this match, although yes, however Notingham Forest will fight hard to get full points but the difference in their performance is quite far and Notingham Forest's hard work will not be too promising when faced with a team that is far above them. Moreover, Liverpool are now in the top five, they will definitely fight hard to win full points, none other than because after all they have to go up in the hunt in the standings, and at least to shift the position of Manchester City to secure their position and increase the chances of qualifying for UCL. Yes, I hope M.Salah and Nunez will be able to maximize their front line with sharp attacks.
632  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: October 29, 2023, 10:06:55 AM

Mostly the new gambler understand the fact it’s hard to chase the loss in the real gambling games.Nearly the 20 percentage of the loss will be covered by the gamblers,but the reaming loss can be covered if they ready to play the game till the end.In order to recover the loss in the gambling,the gambler should train himself to get the loss money with the full effort.It may take time,some times few days and sometimes it take over some years.But the gambler should wait to meet the loss money to the profit from the same gambling sites.It may be added some more dollars in the regular way to get back the loss.

This is easy to say than done since we are talking about gambling and not trading. People gamble because they want a quick profit. It’s obvious that anyone with losses on gambling will do the quickest way as much as possible to recover their losses. Playing slowly to recover losses is a good idea but that kind of patience level is very hard to apply on gambling since people will not gamble if they have that patience.

This chasing loss is the typical error of players which the casino really like that’s why they give some cash back feature just to encourage user to play since they some insurance when they lose.

True, whatever they say about gambling is not going to be true, especially when it comes to some of the self-control that they say, honestly I wouldn't really believe what they say because obviously it's very difficult to be able to apply some boundaries when you're gambling, it's almost impossible although maybe yes there are some who can do it but most of what I know is that they just talk the talk and don't act according to what they said before. I agree with that, one of the reasons why they come to gambling is because they see an opportunity to get easy money when it's not as easy as they think, and I say that opportunity is just a trap to keep them gambling indefinitely.

Although they may be very patient with their efforts to recover the losses in the previous time but I can't be sure if they will actually be able to recover it, because obviously the final result refers to luck so maybe even though they have tried dozens of times it could fail and what happens is the amount of loss is even greater, it is very possible because of course there is no guarantee whatsoever to be able to win.

Well of course, chasing defeat in my opinion will only waste their time, before gambling you should be able to understand the rules, if you lose then you have to be sincere because it is very unlikely for anyone to return the defeat, as I said above, it's just about luck. The casino will only give winnings to tempt the gambler back to continue playing, that's all.
633  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 29, 2023, 09:08:52 AM
The point is that self-awareness is very important in problems like this, because addiction is not a physical disease but a disease that exists in the human subconscious where their mindset has been disturbed in terms of expectations in gambling. If they are already aware then it is clear that they will not do the same thing or repeat their mistakes again, with that then I think the reduction session in the form of time and budget they can definitely do, that's because their mindset has slowly begun to recover by considering gambling as it should be and not caring too much about expectations. Preferring to allocate their money to other important things in life is better and I think they will do this if they really realize. True, as you said the number of losses will usually be higher than the number of wins, that's for sure in my opinion and therefore for those who are still not too far in gambling I hope they will keep their mindset so as not to overdo it, don't put too much hope there because obviously this is just profit - profit only and in addition there is no guarantee whatsoever to win.
Gambling addiction is a constant desire in one's mind to be able to gamble more often. Still, the problem is that many of those who are addicted to gambling don't have a lot of money so when they lose, they have to wait until they can have money to continue gambling. During that waiting time, they can experience various kinds of problems such as discomfort, frustration, and others because they can't wait to be able to continue gambling. People who are addicted to gambling really need help and whether they realize it or not, the people around them must start to realize the fact that they need to help people who are addicted to gambling. And before someone becomes addicted to gambling, he should be aware that playing gambling has many risks and the worst thing is experiencing a gambling addiction so he needs to have or learn good self-control so that he is not affected by gambling.

And also none other than their desire to continue gambling is based on curiosity and greed for the winnings that are difficult for them to get or want to increase the amount of winnings that they have clearly gotten, but like those who are addicted they will never be enough with what they have gotten and always want more than that. In my opinion, it is quite natural why most of those who are addicted are from the lower middle class or in the sense that their finances are not good, it is none other than their goal to come to gambling because they want to increase their finances by making some wins that are clearly very difficult to get, instead of getting a win but the opposite happens, they actually suffer a lot of losses and after that they are even crazier to chase the win because they don't accept the defeat at the previous time. For the problem of impact, don't ask anymore, as you said the pressure they will definitely feel and also even to depression and the worst impact maybe they will be stressed and also maybe they could commit suicide because they are not strong with such conditions, I don't rarely find cases like that. If the level of addiction is very severe then yes they need help from others, because it is impossible with conditions like that they realize by themselves, I hope anyone who is now still gambling please stay firm on self-control.
634  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What's your nice hit to leave the casino. on: October 28, 2023, 10:02:00 AM
Not many people can have that kind of control and must continue to practice it until they can really master it so that they will have no difficulty saying that he has had enough gambling, and now they have to stop gambling. We have to manage our gambling time so that we don't suffer many losses because we gamble using money, whereas many of us use money for our families. It is true that we must always limit the use of money for gambling and how long we gamble so that our minds will not think about gambling and the wins or losses we experience. We should start using these limits rather than later regretting that we have become addicted to gambling.

If the money you are using for playing feels like a reasonable amount and keeps bothering you all day, then it is tough to keep yourself in control when you start to lose.
It's crucial to know when to walk away after big wins or losses.
Depositing only a small portion of your money into gambling account, say around 2%-5% of left money after covering all your expenses, is a smart move. When it's not a resonable amount, you won't be worried about losing it. When you will noy be too worried about losing that small portion, them you are less likely to keep trying to win it back. This can help you to not get addicted to gambling.

That is the importance of preparing or using money to gamble responsibly, or that means allocating money that you are ready to take responsibility for if something happens to your money when playing one of them loses.

This must be done because it is quite important, if only you allocate money for your kitchen needs or your life needs then surely when you experience defeat you will be upset and not accept the results, even though in simple gambling if you don't win then you will lose, and vice versa, so you have to be a responsible gambler and also wise for whatever will happen. This will also help you or make it easier for you to apply good self-control, because from the beginning you have prepared money ready if you lose later, and if you really lose in the end then I think it will not be too difficult for you to get out of gambling at that time.

And also yes I agree with your assumption, it is better to deposit 2 - 5% of the budget of your remaining needs or life interests at that time in your gambling account. That will be very useful to prevent things that are not wanted and for the final result will also definitely not be too significant in terms of risk. Yes, it's true, this way you won't be chasing the winnings so much or it won't be so overwhelming, but I think the main point is that they have to correct their mindset first and not at all consider gambling as a place to earn other than fun.
635  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: October 28, 2023, 09:42:42 AM
In addition to a little, I also think it is almost impossible to get success, besides that these actions will also only make your situation worse, instead of returning the previous defeat but what happens is that the number of defeats increases, and that is the cycle that always happens and is suffered by gambling addicts.
The only way a gambler to success in chasing losses is he need to hack the site and steal as much as he can lol.

I imagine if someone is successfully recover all of his previous losses, I don't think he will completely quit gambling, but I believe he will try to gamble in order to earn more. A gambling addict will not change if he's not realize and have a commitment to gamble only for fun.

Well that makes more sense, that way he will continue to earn money, and if his hacking is completely unknown by casino security then he will be able to earn money consistently and as long as he wants. And on the other hand the way they can succeed in gambling in my opinion is that they have to become the house itself, or create their own casino. You may know the casino makes a system to defeat always dominate the gamblers and that means the big and real profits are not made by the gamblers but by the casino itself, why is it like invisible and difficult to realize by the gamblers? Because the casino has a very smart system or rule, it involves the mindset and mentality of the gamblers who play there, such as for example ten defeats will be treated with just one win (mentally), and just try to calculate the number of defeats is much greater, but strangely most gamblers will not think about that, they will only be very happy when they get a win even if it's just one time out of dozens of losing attempts, and I say that's the smartness of the casino, they will give one win and exchange it for 9 defeats from the gamblers, obviously it's more profitable.

I call it greed, who doesn't want money? everyone needs money, and when they see in gambling there is an opportunity to make money then obviously even if for example they have managed to return the loss, after that they will be greedy and feel great that they have been able to return the loss in the previous time, they will never feel enough with any results there. None other than all that happens because of the factor of excessive expectations and their mistake in understanding what exactly is meant by opportunities in gambling, even though there is absolutely no guarantee. And I say this cycle will never end if they don't stop it themselves, because if it continues it will only make things worse.
636  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 28, 2023, 09:22:56 AM
And indeed this is a positive side or as a good reciprocity why they should keep a record of all the money they have allocated to gambling, do not always remember the victory but try to be patient by seeing how much they have lost. After all, this is also for their own good, and if they really love themselves then obviously I think there is no other reason for them not to reduce their gambling.

Yes, it is true that all of this we do is for our own good, basically it is better to prevent than to cure, because of course being in a gambling addiction is very unpleasant and I have felt that every time I experienced a lot of pressure in terms of finance. Money that was supposed to be used for living needs instead I used to gamble in the hope that there would be a much bigger return and in the end it turned out that all the money was gone, honestly I was almost depressed and didn't know where to look for help. So the point is it doesn't matter if they can't leave gambling because I understand to stop completely it's almost impossible at one time, well one way is to reduce your gambling activities and also reduce the amount of your budget, don't be too curious about winning because even though your budget is small if you are lucky then you will also win even with a small amount, but it's better than you losing 100% of the money you have. So just allocate at least 5% of the money you have if it's just for fun, it's better.
By seeing how much they lose, they can learn that they have used too much money and if they can reduce the amount of money, they can use the money for other things that might be more useful. And when compared, there is a possibility that the number of wins will be smaller than the number of losses because we will rarely get big wins. We lose more often and if there is no self-control, the number of losses will increase and even exceed our expectations.

The point is that self-awareness is very important in problems like this, because addiction is not a physical disease but a disease that exists in the human subconscious where their mindset has been disturbed in terms of expectations in gambling. If they are already aware then it is clear that they will not do the same thing or repeat their mistakes again, with that then I think the reduction session in the form of time and budget they can definitely do, that's because their mindset has slowly begun to recover by considering gambling as it should be and not caring too much about expectations. Preferring to allocate their money to other important things in life is better and I think they will do this if they really realize. True, as you said the number of losses will usually be higher than the number of wins, that's for sure in my opinion and therefore for those who are still not too far in gambling I hope they will keep their mindset so as not to overdo it, don't put too much hope there because obviously this is just profit - profit only and in addition there is no guarantee whatsoever to win.


That is why we have to allocate a certain amount to play gambling and there is no need to allocate a larger amount just because we lose. It is precisely by experiencing defeat that we must be able to introspect ourselves that what we are doing is starting to become excessive. We must be able to reduce it, either slowly or immediately reducing the allocation of funds for gambling. In that way, we can hope that we can reduce our gambling and we also do not take the risk of losing too much money because we already have the experience of losing big money so we try to prevent it from happening. We can only continue to try to control the use of funds for gambling so that we can gamble responsibly.

Well yes that's right, we must be able to realize and also with a little self-introspection when we have experienced a large enough defeat that you absolutely cannot accept, with that we should be able to think that even though you bring a large budget but it still can't change anything. It's really just about luck, and you've proven that any way doesn't work, one of which is bringing a large enough budget. I hope that you or anyone who is still gambling now can learn from the experiences I've had above. It only makes things worse. So there is nothing better unless you stop, it's okay, you can start slowly to get a little better and hopefully you can continue to do it consistently.
637  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: October 27, 2023, 12:46:44 PM
I was confident that they would get through this group without any trouble, and sure enough they are now top of the table with perfect points from their three matches. Erling Haaland also scored again in this match after he had struggled to score in several matches. Yes, in terms of strength, the team that is their opponent in this match is quite a big difference, so this victory has been predicted before.
With the points they are currently collecting, 1 more win will ensure they qualify from the group stage, and I'm sure they will.
There are no strong opponents in Group G so it is clear that Manchester City does not have any obstacles to qualify from this group. And it has been proven that so far no team has been able to beat Manchester City, after all they are the favorites to win the UCL so I think it is very natural.

Erling Haaland so far is still the same as last season, he is still the spearhead who is always relied on by Manchester City's front line, but if he hasn't met a tough opponent I can't say that Manchester City have proven themselves, we'll just have to wait in the know out round. Later, to what extent Manchester City can maintain its performance.

And it can be confirmed that with this situation or condition, Manchester City will definitely qualify for the group G stage, yes it is true and on the other hand Guardiola's squad is favored to become UCL or Premier League champions, as happened last season when they won the Trebble Winners achievement. With their very good and consistent performance, I think there is no reason for me to doubt their next performance, because on the other hand they have provided enough concrete evidence in several previous competitions that they are extraordinary and they are capable.

Haaland has no doubt in terms of its quality so it is very natural that many people have made it a favorite player in recent seasons. Guardiola has a very good strategy in midfield with some ball possession that always dominates and as a final solution they can always take advantage of that opportunity on the front lines with a very ferocious scoring machine like Haaland. I have nothing but hope and fingers crossed that Manchester City can maintain this form to dominate the league at the end of the season.
638  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: October 27, 2023, 12:18:48 PM
Only few gamblers succeed in chasing their losses, the motivation to recover our losses backfires because we are trying to win back the money that we've previously lost, when you're chasing your losses you are pressured to win and because you think you fumble on your votes and commit error after error, I've experienced this and the feeling is so bad that I can't eat in a few days because the what if, keeps running in my mind.
Chasing losses is a big nightmare for gamblers because you cannot think clearly and you feel you are in hostile territory, It is better to keep in mind that whatever happens, you will not chase your losses.

In addition to a little, I also think it is almost impossible to get success, besides that these actions will also only make your situation worse, instead of returning the previous defeat but what happens is that the number of defeats increases, and that is the cycle that always happens and is suffered by gambling addicts.

An addict will usually treat frustration over his defeat with some motivation that they create themselves, that is one of their wrong actions, already knowing their mindset is wrong but instead believing in assumptions that come out of their own minds instead of seeking some help from others through some advice. They will always justify their own wrong actions, with all positive mindsets such as "I'm sure in the next experiment I will be able to get a real victory", but in the end they still lose lol, it doesn't just happen once but it has become a cycle that they will continue to live indefinitely.

You have felt it yourself, because it is true that the pressure due to such conditions in gambling is very bad, so you even don't eat for several days, and not only that, but other unexpected things are also very likely to feel like depression or even act out of control. So the point is that there is no point in you chasing losses because gambling is just a matter of luck and why the final result is always not what is expected? because there is absolutely no guarantee that you will win.
639  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: October 27, 2023, 11:56:38 AM
Although this alternative is quite good but everything will return to their respective awareness, because it is useless if they take notes but do not find any awareness to get better. Management is one of the most important things in any field or profession or even in our real life, we must be able to make everything run in balance using this management. Well it is true that there are also those who do not record like this at all, as you said it is because they still feel that their gambling is still manageable or maybe they feel that they have not lost too much money, it is also quite good as long as what they say is not just a feeling but in accordance with reality.
It is true that you said that awareness is really needed in this case so that they can start reducing their gambling if they have spent too much gambling. This is done so that they can avoid the biggest problem that gamblers will experience, namely gambling addiction, especially if they do not impose restrictions while gambling. It will only make them addicted to gambling in a short time and when that happens, they will not even realize it because they are too engrossed in gambling. If everything goes in balance, they will not experience any problems. They can instead enjoy gambling as entertainment that uses money, but the use of money will not be as big as other people's because they always try to limit their gambling games.

And indeed this is a positive side or as a good reciprocity why they should keep a record of all the money they have allocated to gambling, do not always remember the victory but try to be patient by seeing how much they have lost. After all, this is also for their own good, and if they really love themselves then obviously I think there is no other reason for them not to reduce their gambling.

Yes, it is true that all of this we do is for our own good, basically it is better to prevent than to cure, because of course being in a gambling addiction is very unpleasant and I have felt that every time I experienced a lot of pressure in terms of finance. Money that was supposed to be used for living needs instead I used to gamble in the hope that there would be a much bigger return and in the end it turned out that all the money was gone, honestly I was almost depressed and didn't know where to look for help. So the point is it doesn't matter if they can't leave gambling because I understand to stop completely it's almost impossible at one time, well one way is to reduce your gambling activities and also reduce the amount of your budget, don't be too curious about winning because even though your budget is small if you are lucky then you will also win even with a small amount, but it's better than you losing 100% of the money you have. So just allocate at least 5% of the money you have if it's just for fun, it's better.
640  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 26, 2023, 11:17:59 AM
On the other hand, I don't think it will be an easy matter for Manchester City because apart from their away match against Manchester United, Erik Ten Hag's team is in its best performance after being down for a long time and even in the last few matches they have won dramatically. Previously, Manchester United also received an injection of motivation after achieving their first win in the UCL competition. Maguire and Onana are in good form from Manchester United and it is likely that both of them will be mainstays for defensive matters in the future. Well, it's a match worth waiting for this week and wondering who will win later.
Despite Manchester United won in the last three matches, but they were struggle since they only won with one margin and those are against weak teams e.g. Copenhagen, Sheffield United, and Brentford.

If you think Manchester United would give a good match against Manchester City, it's not make sense, Manchester City surely beat Manchester United.

Right now, Manchester is Blue. Tongue

It makes sense, of course the three opponents that Manchester United managed to beat in the previous few matches as you mentioned are far from comparable to Manchester City. And honestly in my opinion this can in no way be a positive speculation that in the next match against Manchester City at Old Trafford Manchester United will have a good or great opportunity to end up with the full three points.

As we see how Ten Hag's squad is performing now, they are 8th in the standings and of course the difference is very far if we measure it with Guardiola's squad where they can always dominate the full three points at the end of the match, yes even though this season I see them not too promising. But for the next match against Manchester United, obviously I am very confident that Manchester City have a greater chance than Manchester United. Honestly I can't predict the score but certainly maybe some speculation will also say assumptions like me.
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