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October 31, 2023, 06:08:47 AM |
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I will not defend anyone here, it's just that I think in fact both clubs Manchester United and Chelsea have different advantages and disadvantages so comparing the matches between the two clubs is very different so I will not side with which club is much better while both are still in the same condition. both bad at the moment because like Erik Ten Hag, he doesn't have reliable players yet and still needs new players. On the one hand, Pochettino chose too many inappropriate players, wasted too much money but didn't achieve his planned desires. The two clubs will appear to have different performances as the end of this season approaches and at that time it makes sense to differentiate between the two clubs because if it is too early to compare now there are still many matches to go.
Manchester united and Chelsea having one of the most inconsistent form this season, winning today and losing tomorrow is basically the kind of results the fans are not in support of. In my opinion, the blues are supposed to be having one of the equally balance results in league games because they've signed new prominent players, appointing a new coach, so tell me, what's the problem of the current team? As for Manchester United, they have a long way to go, Erik Ten Hag have issues with his player and I think he doesn't possess the required good chemistry among his players.
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October 31, 2023, 06:24:38 AM |
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You are right, Chelsea will face a tough test for the next 5 matches even though Manchester United and Brighton are not entirely reliable. Tottenham, Manchester City and Newcastle are tough opponents, but Pochettino must try to get something positive from these tough matches even if in the end he has to give up some lost points.
I am very pessimistic about Chelsea, they are currently in a very bad situation, losing to Brentford at times after having had several positive matches will certainly make this team's mentality really decline. Many people thought that Chelsea had bounced back before but they are back to the way they were at the start of the season, maybe in the next 5 matches which will be against the top Premier League teams (except Manchester United) there is no hope whatsoever for Chelsea to get points. If Chelsea suffers a losing streak in those 5 matches, then I wouldn't be surprised. Manchester united losing to Arsenal and Manchester city isn't good reason to say Chelsea is stronger than Manchester united. Okay how about Manchester city that lost against Arsenal, can you also say that Arsenal is stronger than Manchester city? Inasmuch as football is concern, a team performance can't be judged at a time when the season is still young as a team that didn't perform better at the beginning might surprise everyone at the end.
Every game will be different, we can't measure it that way but what is certain is that Manchester United's 5 defeats in the first 10 Premier League games they have played this season is the worst since the 1987 season. Manchester United and Chelsea are the same teams that are at the bottom this season, so I can't measure the strength between the two and this is a difficult match for both of them.
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October 31, 2023, 06:48:44 AM |
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I will not defend anyone here, it's just that I think in fact both clubs Manchester United and Chelsea have different advantages and disadvantages so comparing the matches between the two clubs is very different so I will not side with which club is much better while both are still in the same condition. both bad at the moment because like Erik Ten Hag, he doesn't have reliable players yet and still needs new players. On the one hand, Pochettino chose too many inappropriate players, wasted too much money but didn't achieve his planned desires. The two clubs will appear to have different performances as the end of this season approaches and at that time it makes sense to differentiate between the two clubs because if it is too early to compare now there are still many matches to go.
Manchester united and Chelsea having one of the most inconsistent form this season, winning today and losing tomorrow is basically the kind of results the fans are not in support of. In my opinion, the blues are supposed to be having one of the equally balance results in league games because they've signed new prominent players, appointing a new coach, so tell me, what's the problem of the current team? As for Manchester United, they have a long way to go, Erik Ten Hag have issues with his player and I think he doesn't possess the required good chemistry among his players. Even i was also feeling bored to see the inconsistent trend from chelsea or may i wrong about that? I meant if the performance of chelsea is always up and down. Was this a new trend brought by chelsea? Im losing my mind to see how poorly the performance from this club is. Chelsea is so terrible to watch. The club is also very inconsistent not only on its performance but mentality from the players. I was also aware when chelsea gets conceded a goal and its mentality was also getting down. People are also feeling so tired to see that chelsea must be performing like shit. Anytime. People are even remember chelsea's pattern correctly. Where is the main problem of chelsea? Coach? Players? management? That question is still remain unanswered question till chelsea will able to perform even better and consistent. This club is so hilarious. I don't know how long chelsea will still show poor performance like this. Im keep seeing its fans were complaining their favorites club played like amateur footballers.
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October 31, 2023, 06:59:05 AM |
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Chelsea and Manchester United are not feeling too well this season, both in performance and coordination they're the same. But the only difference is just the position on the log, at least one is above the other. Both clubs need something big, emergency winning and getting to the top and this kind of act always put the managers under pressure, to me Pochettino isn't under pressure compared to the big boss Erik ten Hag.
The start of the season hasn't been great for Chelsea and Man United. I thought Chelsea was making a comeback, but they failed to beat Brentford. This, of course, raises questions about the strategy Pochettino is using after drawing with Arsenal. Brentford isn't a top-tier team, and Chelsea should have secured a win yesterday. As we all know, Chelsea faces some tough matches in the upcoming weeks in the English Premier League. Week 11 against Tottenham, week 12 against Man City, week 13 against Newcastle, and week 15 against Man United. Chelsea needs to bounce back quickly if they want to maintain a good position at the end of the season. For Man United, it's not just the coach's performance that's make it hard... there are serious rumors of problems within the entire club.
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October 31, 2023, 07:00:34 AM |
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In the next five Chelsea matches, I really do not think that Chelsea will be able to win. I am not going to be surprised if I see Chelsea losing all the five matches. I am talking about the five matches that they are going to play next. All the matches are going to be played against really good teams. Chelsea might have a chance to win against Brighton. But other than that, I do not know how they will manage to win against Manchester United, Manchester City, Newcastle United, and Tottenham. I don't think Chelsea is winning any of those four matches. They might get one point from a few of those matches. But that's about it. I don't expect Chelsea to do something incredible at all.
Chelsea lost the opportunity to at least get to the half of the table when they lost against an average-playing Brentford. After splashing about £400million on players in the last transfer window, the club is still finding it difficult to score goals. I don't think they have a bad defense or midfield but their main issue is the attack. The team will always dominate the games but fail to create chances to score. Imagine them having close to 69% ball possession in the Brentford game and having just two goals on target. The injury of Christopher Nkunku has really affected the plans of Mauricio Pochettino and it became worse because Jackson and Sterling are not reliable attackers. Jackson's performance was awful and Sterling was just quiet in the match against Brentford. Comparing both teams, Manchester United is better than Chelsea. The club didn't spend as much as the Blues and they also have some ownership problems that is distracting the club. In the first half of the game against City, the Red Devils were exceptional but Haaland's second-half goal destabilized the club and made them play like a championship side. From then, United was at the mercy of the visitors. Erik ten Hag is a good coach judging from his past performance in Ajax but he has failed to do the same in English. Maybe he still needs more time to get used to the league.
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October 31, 2023, 07:10:06 AM |
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I will not defend anyone here, it's just that I think in fact both clubs Manchester United and Chelsea have different advantages and disadvantages so comparing the matches between the two clubs is very different so I will not side with which club is much better while both are still in the same condition. both bad at the moment because like Erik Ten Hag, he doesn't have reliable players yet and still needs new players. On the one hand, Pochettino chose too many inappropriate players, wasted too much money but didn't achieve his planned desires. The two clubs will appear to have different performances as the end of this season approaches and at that time it makes sense to differentiate between the two clubs because if it is too early to compare now there are still many matches to go.
Manchester united and Chelsea having one of the most inconsistent form this season, winning today and losing tomorrow is basically the kind of results the fans are not in support of. In my opinion, the blues are supposed to be having one of the equally balance results in league games because they've signed new prominent players, appointing a new coach, so tell me, what's the problem of the current team? As for Manchester United, they have a long way to go, Erik Ten Hag have issues with his player and I think he doesn't possess the required good chemistry among his players. It is true that Manchester United and Chelsea have inconsistent performance this season, even though the season is still long, neither of them has shown any signs of improving. Looking at Chelsea's performance, I think Chelsea's performance is not much different compared to last season even though they have recruited several new players and replaced the coach. In my opinion, Chelsea's problem lies in the current Chelsea players and there are many rumors saying that Pochettino is recruiting a lot of young players with little experience, while Manchester United is experiencing several problems between players and managers so that Manchester United has not been able to work optimally this season.
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October 31, 2023, 07:16:09 AM |
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To be honest, Chelsea will be under a lot of pressure in the next 5 matches, so I don't think Pochettino will sit quietly in his chair. There must be positive changes to face this tough challenge, but it is very doubtful that Pochettino will be able to win the next 2/5 matches. Even so, no one knows whether Chelsea is really bad or maybe it will be a surprise, we'll see.
Yes, it's a tough opponent for Chelsea and maybe it's very difficult they get 3 points in every game. At this time, there is another bad news. Chelsea are investigating the transfer case of Willian and Eto,o. They have a cut of that transaction of £10m. There are indications that there is an inflow of funds sent to a company referred to as a 'Russian entity'. If it is proven there will be a point deduction penalty or a monetary fine.
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October 31, 2023, 07:30:29 AM |
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In the next five Chelsea matches, I really do not think that Chelsea will be able to win. I am not going to be surprised if I see Chelsea losing all the five matches. I am talking about the five matches that they are going to play next. All the matches are going to be played against really good teams. Chelsea might have a chance to win against Brighton. But other than that, I do not know how they will manage to win against Manchester United, Manchester City, Newcastle United, and Tottenham. I don't think Chelsea is winning any of those four matches. They might get one point from a few of those matches. But that's about it. I don't expect Chelsea to do something incredible at all.
![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Chelsea will be facing very hard fixtures. Unable to maximize the chance to get full points from the easy fixtures and this club will face very hard schedules. vs totenham vs city vs newcastle vs brighton vs Mu This is why i saw that even its supporters were being so skeptical. They were saying this caused by they ahve strong reason why chelsea may not even earn a single point. I think that fixtures made so many chelsea fans are losing their hopes. We can imagine if chelsea will get nothing from those matches. This will make chelsea go down to the bottom or even closer to the relegation zone. It seems like that chelsea will join in the relegation zone battle soon. We may see many people are mocking this club again. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) 1 billion for relegation battle. That's worthy price to be paid by chelsea. I must say if MU was quite better compared with chelsea.
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I think, Chelsea still more stronger than Manchester united in this season because Arsenal defeated Manchester united 1-3 for the favour of Arsenal, but Arsenal find it difficult to defeat Chelsea which statistics show how Chelsea lead the match with two goals before Arsenal struggle to equalized the goals before the end of the match. It was another defeat from their home for Manchester city to defeated Manchester united 0-3 to embraced the three points without allowed their opponent strikers to achieve a goal, but it will be difficult for Manchester city to create such opportunity to defeat Chelsea without allow them to score a goal in this season. I believe, Chelsea have opportunity to improve higher in the Europa league competition because their new players are taking a good steps to dominate in a way their coach will be happy.
Manchester united losing to Arsenal and Manchester city isn't good reason to say Chelsea is stronger than Manchester united. Okay how about Manchester city that lost against Arsenal, can you also say that Arsenal is stronger than Manchester city? Inasmuch as football is concern, a team performance can't be judged at a time when the season is still young as a team that didn't perform better at the beginning might surprise everyone at the end. How do you even go about comparing two flops? Both Manchester United and Chelsea have been poor since the start of the season. Too much high expectations leads to what again? There will be hell for Pochetino and Chelsea at most for Mauricio Pochetino and with how he handles the club in the next six games. Go take a look, Chelsea has game that will send them down below, if not well managed, Manchester United has that could take them higher, but they have a dumped manager for the past few games. Erik Ten Hag has been different since this season, the signature of Sofyan Amrabat shouldn't also be completed, he is not the solid defensive midfielder Manchester United needs. Take a good look at Rodri, and Declan Rice! Do I need explain any further?
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October 31, 2023, 07:37:47 AM |
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Even i was also feeling bored to see the inconsistent trend from chelsea or may i wrong about that? I meant if the performance of chelsea is always up and down. Was this a new trend brought by chelsea? Im losing my mind to see how poorly the performance from this club is. Chelsea is so terrible to watch. The club is also very inconsistent not only on its performance but mentality from the players. I was also aware when chelsea gets conceded a goal and its mentality was also getting down.
People are also feeling so tired to see that chelsea must be performing like shit. Anytime. People are even remember chelsea's pattern correctly. Where is the main problem of chelsea? Coach? Players? management?
That question is still remain unanswered question till chelsea will able to perform even better and consistent. This club is so hilarious. I don't know how long chelsea will still show poor performance like this. Im keep seeing its fans were complaining their favorites club played like amateur footballers.
there nothing wrong and Chelsea does not lack everything from coaches, players to good finances. everything feels very perfect, but the problem here is that Chelsea needs players who have the best talent and coaches with more experience who can help Chelsea be better. consistent again. IMO, some people might agree because we can see that Chelsea has spent a lot of money but what have they got? Players who have ordinary talent do not match the money spent. on the one hand, if you really spend a lot of money you can get players who really have the best talent, taking the risk of pushing star or other lucky players. I understand that most people are disappointed with Chelsea performance which cannot be like before when its glory days were still very strong and as Chelsea season progressed it became worse and this needs to be questioned from the perspective of Chelsea owners.
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Manchester united losing to Arsenal and Manchester city isn't good reason to say Chelsea is stronger than Manchester united. Okay how about Manchester city that lost against Arsenal, can you also say that Arsenal is stronger than Manchester city? Inasmuch as football is concern, a team performance can't be judged at a time when the season is still young as a team that didn't perform better at the beginning might surprise everyone at the end.
At the start of the season, sometimes some teams still cannot find their maximum performance. The reasons are of course various. There are some new players at the club who haven't been able to adapt or something like that. But for Manchester United, this team actually became weaker after one of their players experienced legal problems (Antony has become a little weak and his performance is not very good now after he was caught in a legal case ) which made Man Utd slightly lose balance in the midfield. And Onana's performance at the start of the season was also quite bad, although Man Utd's defenders were also to blame. But from what I see, the current Man Utd goalkeeper, Onana, has gotten better. Even if he didn't make many brave saves in the match against Man City yesterday then I think Man City would have scored more goals against Man Utd. Fortunately, Onana always dared to step forward a little. And he is quite fast in responding to opponent shots. But still, too many attacks by Man City made Onana overwhelmed. Because I don't think Man Utd's defenders are able to guard the Man City players well. So Haaland was even in a lot of empty positions and gave him the freedom to even face Onana directly. When talking about who is the best between Chelsea and Man Utd. I still believe Man Utd is better at the moment. But if we judge who will be superior until the end of the season then it is certainly difficult to see now.
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October 31, 2023, 07:41:46 AM |
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Pochetino is a good manager, but I don't know how he can deal with the transfer madness in Chelsea. He needs a consistent squad, but he has a bunch of overrated players(some of them injured and others are definitely not in great shape). I think that it's over for Erik Ten Hag in Manchester United. The fans and the new owner won't tolerate new failures and it's pretty clear at this point, that the players simply don't want to play with Ten Hag as their manager. Maguire and Evans are done with football. Rashford doesn't have any motivation to play and Mctominay can't control the middle. United needs to find a new manager by the end of 2023.
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October 31, 2023, 07:46:43 AM |
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In the next five Chelsea matches, I really do not think that Chelsea will be able to win. I am not going to be surprised if I see Chelsea losing all the five matches. I am talking about the five matches that they are going to play next. All the matches are going to be played against really good teams. Chelsea might have a chance to win against Brighton. But other than that, I do not know how they will manage to win against Manchester United, Manchester City, Newcastle United, and Tottenham. I don't think Chelsea is winning any of those four matches. They might get one point from a few of those matches. But that's about it. I don't expect Chelsea to do something incredible at all.
The loses from Brentford was really made Chelsea players and Mauricio Pochettino frustrated even Pochettino has admitting that Chelsea was in the serious problem and Chelsea was unlucky because next month they will facing several strong teams in Premier League and starting this monday Chelsea will playing at Tottenham home ground and if we see from their current conditions i don't think Chelsea will be able to beat Tottenham because we all know Tottenham currently in the good shape and they even always be performing well for each matches and obviously Chelsea will tasted another lose from this match and the next after that match Chelsea will playing against Manchester City and Newcastle so these schedules is really hard and most likely Chelsea will losing point from those matches
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October 31, 2023, 07:54:13 AM |
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Erik Ten Hag, I would not say failure for this coach, but with what he can show now it is not enough to make him stay longer with Manchester United. Now there are no more excuses for him, because he has also been in the squad for a long time which means that most of the players he has now are the players he really wants. Although in the player transfer market he cannot move freely, but still as a coach he must provide the best for the team he handles. I don't know what the management's response will be, and until now I've seen them remain silent.
He is a coach who had a good performance with Manchester United last season who succeeded in bringing Manchester United back to the Champions League so the club will not comment anything on his performance at this time because Erik still has time to improve their performance this season. Indeed, Manchester United experienced a major setback this season and also several internal problems at the club, namely the player relationship with the coach, also became a major obstacle for them. I think Erik Ten Hag should reduce his anger towards players because he has had several feuds with players. There is still plenty of time and fans still believe that Erik Ten Hag can bring Manchester United to improve their performance this season. Yes, he still has time to improve the perfrmance of his foster children, but how long does he need to do it all? because the league continues to run and in my opinion he is not long enough to be able to improve the performance of Manchester United. They are not doing well in the Premier League, as well as in the Champions League. They still have a chance I would say the same thing, but if they don't improve in the near future then it's not impossible that they will lose their place in the Champions League. Ending up in the Europa League is not a good thing, especially when the group they are in actually gives them a great chance.
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Pochetino is a good manager, but I don't know how he can deal with the transfer madness in Chelsea. He needs a consistent squad, but he has a bunch of overrated players(some of them injured and others are definitely not in great shape). I think that it's over for Erik Ten Hag in Manchester United. The fans and the new owner won't tolerate new failures and it's pretty clear at this point, that the players simply don't want to play with Ten Hag as their manager. Maguire and Evans are done with football. Rashford doesn't have any motivation to play and Mctominay can't control the middle. United needs to find a new manager by the end of 2023.
Ten Hag was able in the previous season to save Manchester United after the catastrophic failure they had at the beginning. This season, after already 1/4 of the matches been played and Manchester United won half of them and was defeated in the other half.. In addition, they receive goals like 150% more than what they score. When we blame a coach, we blame his tactics and how prepared his players were for the match. I mean, Manchester United can sack Ten Hag but does this will help players like Maguire playing better? The answer is no since he was playing bad even before Ten Hag being with the team. Same goes for the others. I don't see a problem trying their shot with another coach but I am not that pessimistic with the results of Manchester United this season..
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October 31, 2023, 08:24:35 AM |
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After their defeat against Manchester City in the derby last week, Erik Ten Hag as Manchester United coach revealed the reason why he gave Evans as a starter instead of Varane, even though he was also available in the match. Erik ten hag said it was "Tactics" and actually I don't understand what Erik ten hag meant, even though if Varane were to start it's likely their defense would be much stronger. On the other hand, is it possible that Erik Ten Hag will still save Varane's energy in the next match or be on guard as a starter in the UCL match later. I really don't know what Erik ten Hag meant and still even though he said it was a tactic, in the end they also lost at Old Trafford. Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1718908849883902243
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October 31, 2023, 08:31:21 AM |
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I understand that most people are disappointed with Chelsea performance which cannot be like before when its glory days were still very strong and as Chelsea season progressed it became worse and this needs to be questioned from the perspective of Chelsea owners.
I'm not a Chelsea supporter but I'm quite concerned to see a club that used to be great but is now a worrying club. Pochettino may not be able to set the right strategy to make Chelsea perform better and maybe there are players who can't adapt to what Pochettino wants. I think Chelsea has to fix everything because it's not only the players but also their management who recruit players who don't. according to expectations. Chelsea needs really good players to make Chelsea recover from adversity, it is also possible that they are hampered in their development because there are several injured players and unsatisfactory player purchases making Chelsea even worse. I think they really need to be able to rise from this downturn. because if they continue like this they could be thrown back to the bottom of the standings.
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October 31, 2023, 08:38:47 AM |
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Yes, he still has time to improve the perfrmance of his foster children, but how long does he need to do it all? because the league continues to run and in my opinion he is not long enough to be able to improve the performance of Manchester United. They are not doing well in the Premier League, as well as in the Champions League. They still have a chance I would say the same thing, but if they don't improve in the near future then it's not impossible that they will lose their place in the Champions League. Ending up in the Europa League is not a good thing, especially when the group they are in actually gives them a great chance.
Ten Hag had time to create a team, he had the whole last season to do this, now everything is different, they expected much better results from him, they expected MU to be able to fight for the championship, but instead Manchester United is in the middle of the table and the team is playing frankly weakly. I don't see how ten Hag could improve the game, weak attack, weak defense, and the morale of the team is in decline. I am more inclined to think that Manchester United will have to look for a new coach again.
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October 31, 2023, 09:06:30 AM |
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After their defeat against Manchester City in the derby last week, Erik Ten Hag as Manchester United coach revealed the reason why he gave Evans as a starter instead of Varane, even though he was also available in the match. Erik ten hag said it was "Tactics" and actually I don't understand what Erik ten hag meant, even though if Varane were to start it's likely their defense would be much stronger. On the other hand, is it possible that Erik Ten Hag will still save Varane's energy in the next match or be on guard as a starter in the UCL match later. I really don't know what Erik ten Hag meant and still even though he said it was a tactic, in the end they also lost at Old Trafford. Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1718908849883902243Ten Hag had to evaluate his tactics because it turned out he failed miserably in the derby match and it was embarrassing because Manchester United couldn't score a single goal. Saving Varane for the Champions League match doesn't seem like the right reason, or maybe because Ten Hag realized that it was impossible to beat Manchester City ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) even though there was a weak team that had beaten City before, so United's defeat was purely because of Ten Hag's bad strategy. Next, they will face Fulham, and this should be a good time for Manchester United to win again and at least in the next three matches Manchester United should be able to get full points because in the next three matches, they will only face weak teams, after Fulham they will face Luton and then is Everton, if these three matches are not maximized it will make Ten Hag's position at Manchester United even worse and more sharp criticism will be directed at him.
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October 31, 2023, 09:24:45 AM |
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Yes, he still has time to improve the perfrmance of his foster children, but how long does he need to do it all? because the league continues to run and in my opinion he is not long enough to be able to improve the performance of Manchester United. They are not doing well in the Premier League, as well as in the Champions League. They still have a chance I would say the same thing, but if they don't improve in the near future then it's not impossible that they will lose their place in the Champions League. Ending up in the Europa League is not a good thing, especially when the group they are in actually gives them a great chance.
Ten Hag had time to create a team, he had the whole last season to do this, now everything is different, they expected much better results from him, they expected MU to be able to fight for the championship, but instead Manchester United is in the middle of the table and the team is playing frankly weakly. I don't see how ten Hag could improve the game, weak attack, weak defense, and the morale of the team is in decline. I am more inclined to think that Manchester United will have to look for a new coach again. That as I already said before is an absolute must for United,they can't risk another year after this with Ten Haag as coach again,when he came he came potently making Cristiano not play which was his first mistake as a coach,then he made it clear to every one that it would be kinda like military training in the bad way of such words,as military training in good meaning is very much welcome and players started to react differently to this with Rashford being a big victim,he does not shoot at all during this time contributing massively to the bad results of Manchester United.I don't blame him for the game against City as City has players of another level but in general overall Ten Haag is the only one to be blamed.
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