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Maybe we can get the needle to stop skipping on this record and move along. Still waiting. You asked for a breakdown of the 100,000 devices. I gave it to you. Stop asking. You have it already. If you don't understand the math, have someone explain it to you. There are only 7668 known devices. You said that extrapolating out to the 70k orders was bad math, now you are using bad math and repeating it back at me. You cannot have it both ways. If it was bad for me, it is bad for you and therefore incorrect. You are using estimates *I* made and claiming them as your own instead of figuring your own, can you not make a guestimate yourself or must you continue to rely on others work? You are unable to think for yourself, cause you only know how to cut and paste, therefore I disavow your conclusions. Still Waiting. |
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Unless March has an insane amount of Jalapanos ordered, they are coming close to finishing pre-orders on them. That will free up people for the other lines.
I'm not sure what qualifies as insane in terms of quantity, but March and April do in fact have a lot of orders in them. Insane to me would be 4-5k for March alone. |
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BFL: 7PH and rising.
Got a link or breakdown. 1) Has anyone compiled a guestimate of the amount of pre-orders. 2) I did a breakdown in a previous thread I cannot find ATM. Worked out to an average .1TH per BFL order and ~70k orders using the ~4900 known orders. 3) Refunds were not taken into account due to lack of information. 4) Monarchs were considered the "and rising" For posterity. Still waiting. |
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Lies lies lies ...I think u lie so much you forget what you have said mensa boy Working in computer science .... I fail to see your point, I was working in Computer Science not corporate shipping. I can't play a piano either.
1) Not in Mensa, IQ not high enough. 2) Was referring to M.I.T. did not graduate 3) Electronic Technician in the Navy. You are getting as bad a K9 with cutting and pasting irrevelant things out of context.... are you a sock puppet too? Maybe your depression is becoming delusion? Schizophrenia even? You really need to get a check up dude. You need to check yourself as its a bit out of control !!! Is this what you find satisfaction in this non stop drivel and name calling on a forum.... MIT & whatever rubbish you claim is being demonstrated plain and clear... Good work.... Aww, you lied. You said you ignored me. Now I cannot trust you. You also cannot tell I am baiting you. Too bad, so sad. HaVe a nice day! I know I am! |
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Maybe we can get the needle to stop skipping on this record and move along. Still waiting. |
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<bs snipped> Still waiting on that breakdown from http://bfl.ptz.ro/ that you claim to be so smart in doing. I care not for your continued BS. <more BS snipped> I used that spreadsheet to show they likely had shipped 165TH and you still have a hardon for 7ph. Sad. I estimated they had shipped ~8000 jalapenos, ~1600 LS, ~500 Singles and ~77 Minis and you say 5420 devices. Since you can only post misquoted trash you obviously cannot perofrm a simple calculation. Still waiting. |
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Nobody posted anything contrary to me. Not even sure what that means, Josh.
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Maybe you can explain, you are so smart!
You deleted Red_Wolf_2's post more than once. You obviously did not like that he disagreed with you about me being Josh. He also said something about int03h who turned out to be Ivan. Guess you just need your talking heads to agree with you and anything else gets deleted. Who cares! take this to direct post, and get a room! Enough already! Agreed, for the love of (insert deity here) would a moderator PLEASE step in and shut down this giant pile of useless non-hardware related posts that are cluttering up the forums? They are supposed to be for discussing custom hardware, not who is and isn't "shady" (to use a phrase Bicknellski likes to use so much) This thread really deserves to be in the scam/accusation section. It contain nothing about hardware. Of course, then you'd have to get rid of about a dozen other posts too. Viceroy's should go 1st. |
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Nobody posted anything contrary to me. Not even sure what that means, Josh.
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Maybe you can explain, you are so smart!
You deleted Red_Wolf_2's post more than once. You obviously did not like that he disagreed with you about me being Josh. He also said something about int03h who turned out to be Ivan. Guess you just need your talking heads to agree with you and anything else gets deleted. |
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Dude, look in the mirror for the person who needs a checkup.
OMG! You came out of your thread where you can't delete everything people post contrary to you! Are you ok? Do you need a doctor too? |
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Months ago I paid 1 BTC each for 2 miners and 1 BTC in shipping to my country (I live in a technological wasteland called Australia), my miners are so far from ROI I can't express it in words.
Don't worry, bcp19 says BTC will go to $1000 and you will get "ROI". Actually, worry. A lot.  That statement is a lot like your long con, until it happens, you can discount it and discount it and discount it. Up until it becomes true. Which will come true first? The supposed long con or BTC=$1000? I bet the latter. Captured for posterity purposes since bcp19 has been ninja editing his posts. Wow, more lies! I'm having trust issues with you now. |
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<bs snipped> Still waiting on that breakdown from http://bfl.ptz.ro/ that you claim to be so smart in doing. I care not for your continued BS. |
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it'll get deleted, so why bother refuting idiots? |
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Lies lies lies ...I think u lie so much you forget what you have said mensa boy Working in computer science .... I fail to see your point, I was working in Computer Science not corporate shipping. I can't play a piano either.
1) Not in Mensa, IQ not high enough. 2) Was referring to M.I.T. did not graduate 3) Electronic Technician in the Navy. You are getting as bad a K9 with cutting and pasting irrevelant things out of context.... are you a sock puppet too? Maybe your depression is becoming delusion? Schizophrenia even? You really need to get a check up dude. |
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You are a moron...and have no idea how any of this stuff works
...Computer science ... yeah right !!
Lol, obviously sarcasm escapes you. Have you seen that Doctor for your depression yet? You need to go soon, your life could be in danger if left untreated. |
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They will be replaced by more energy efficient ASICs or will be run in areas where electricity is dirt cheap.
Once we reach technological brick wall (10nm), the network hash rate will level off and difficulty might actually stay flat or go down.
At that level, mining=electricity & hosting costs + a tiny profit.
The economic brick wall is 28nm. 20nm is beyond rediculously expensive for anyone who doesn't know their own fab (Intel, Samsung). Nobody is predicting high availability of 20nm in 2014 either. Nobody (not even Intel is using 14nm) given how parallel Bitcoin mining is the only advantage of going to a smaller process is when the cost per transistor is lower. That usually takes 2-4 years. So 20nm probably won't make sense even in 2015 or 2016. So while I agree with your final sentence replace 10nm with 28nm. The market will become highly saturated and mining margins will be a small percentage over electrical cost of the most efficient miners. Have a less efficient miner, have higher than normal electrical costs, paying for expensive datacenter space expect it to only be a question of how long before your net operating margin goes negative. I am making a 11 nm hashing chip. It does 800GH/s and I am selling them for 200 BTC each. Pre-order now. http://www.Minegoto11.com^^^ scam. We need a scammer tag. |
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Months ago I paid 1 BTC each for 2 miners and 1 BTC in shipping to my country (I live in a technological wasteland called Australia), my miners are so far from ROI I can't express it in words.
Don't worry, bcp19 says BTC will go to $1000 and you will get "ROI". Actually, worry. A lot. That statement is a lot like your long con, until it happens, you can discount it and discount it and discount it. Up until it becomes true. Which will come true first? The supposed long con or BTC=$1000? I bet the latter. |
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It only matters when BFL gets their shipment of chips in. They said it would take 100 days for the chip order. That means they needed to order in late June to get them by the last day in September. That also assumes that it won't be late, like every other thing BFL has attempted.
I doubt they will get the chips by September, but it is possible.
According to bcp19, BFL would have to assemble at least 100,000 devices before sept 30 (since bcp19 believes that BFL has 7PH/s of pre-orders). BFL has said that they can do 300 units per day max. It would take 334 days to process 100,000 units at that rate which means that BFL could not finish their backlog by September. So either bcp19 is way way off in his estimate of BFL pre-orders. Or he doesn't believe they could ship all their pre-orders by Sept 30 (would require shipping 2800 units a day).
I never said 100,000 devices, your lies are getting larger by the day. You still cannot live in reality. Yes actually you did. Your math says 100,000 devices. 70,000 orders you said. 100GH per order average you said. 7 PH/s total you said. According to the distribution on your data set at http://bfl.ptz.ro that works out to over 100,000 devices. Pre-orders stopped April 5th. You seem to think they need to catch up with everything. Reality check.
April 1st if you count when BFL claims they shipped their first device. But we are talking backlog, not just "pre-orders". You also discount refunds and upgrades.
You said 7PH/s and risingContinue your delusions, I enjoy the laughs.
Guess you didn't take any math courses at MIT huh?    Once again, the 7ph was an ESTIMATE of the TOTAL ORDERBOOK before refunds were calculated. You have this insane need to cut and paste snippets out of context as if they are facts, yet you are still wrong. *I* said pre-order, YOU said backlog. Semantics, since they mean the same thing in regards to the shipping comment. Still, TOTAL ORDERBOOK. GUESTIMATE. And again, you are childish AND purile. You seem to know how to make an estimate, let's here yours then. You keep telling me what I am doing wrong, show me what is right. I cannot accept your assertions any longer until I see YOUR mathematical proof. Get your pen and paper going. Stop denegrating others and PROVE you are right. You have ALL the infomation you need on that website. I am waiting. |
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Put up the maths.
Put up or shut up.
I would put them up yet again, but I tire of K9's refusal to live in reality. GPU & FPGA: 20TH <-- generous BitFury: 85TH <-- by their pool Avalon: 100TH? <- god knows... refunded a lot of B3... 800k chips? lol. "2 more weeks" ASICMiner: 110 <- I'm being generous. Blockchain shows 5% of blocks... 3000 USB/TH... 315TH out of 500+ BFL could easily have more than any other company. I will say, I have a problem with BitFury's numbers. They have their "own" pool, but they don't show up on the block-chain. Are they part of the 125TH "unknown"? If so, how are they in a pool? THAT seems shady. ASICMiners' shares have dropped by almost 30%... what do the shareholders know we don't? Don't bother nitpicking my numbers, I'll just ignore you. Show your own numbers if you disagree(and if you can) Bitfury does not just use one pool. That is a single example of a bitfury installation. 500K/800K of Avalon chips were not stuck in customs. The ones delivered to addresses in China arrived in late July. That is 150TH unaccounted for. All batch 3 units were built and shipped. Given ASICMiner's ability to sell overpriced hardware in the market, I am guessing Avalon got an even better price for the units who's owners wanted refunds. That bumps it up to at least 465TH out of 500+. Oops. 150TH of avalon chips = speculation. Maybe that's what BitFury is using and you're doubling up all batch 3 shipped? really? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=257748.05 days ago, BitFury was at 40TH, today 90TH. 50TH in 5 days!!!!! Hot damn, that's freaking amazing! 90% of network increase from 1 company in 5 days! :redflag |
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People will switch them off to save electricity until such time are they are profitable to run again.
Wont happen, If not big unprofitable, most will run in a hope of price rise The big farms like ASICminer need to make a profit or their shareholders will scream. With the recent selloff of ASICMiner shares, maybe they are already screaming? |
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It only matters when BFL gets their shipment of chips in. They said it would take 100 days for the chip order. That means they needed to order in late June to get them by the last day in September. That also assumes that it won't be late, like every other thing BFL has attempted.
I doubt they will get the chips by September, but it is possible.
According to bcp19, BFL would have to assemble at least 100,000 devices before sept 30 (since bcp19 believes that BFL has 7PH/s of pre-orders). BFL has said that they can do 300 units per day max. It would take 334 days to process 100,000 units at that rate which means that BFL could not finish their backlog by September. So either bcp19 is way way off in his estimate of BFL pre-orders. Or he doesn't believe they could ship all their pre-orders by Sept 30 (would require shipping 2800 units a day).
I never said 100,000 devices, your lies are getting larger by the day. You still cannot live in reality. Pre-orders stopped April 5th. You seem to think they need to catch up with everything. Reality check. You also discount refunds and upgrades. Continue your delusions, I enjoy the laughs. |
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