Along the lines of what DOOMad was saying, back in the day the bitmixer campaign was offering a small amount of money to wear their signature no matter whether you posted in a given week or not---they based it on activity, which means that they were paying for posts on the board which were already there. That scheme was wonderful, I think, because there was no incentive to put any posts beyond the 14 in a 2 week period which buys more activity points. Too bad they discontinued this program, I guess.
A capped amount BTC will do the same as linking payments to activity instead of posts. Both Bitmixer and Bitcoin Scratchticket campaigns have caps on the amount they will pay for posts - 0.035 BTC, Bitmixer and 0.010 BTC, Bitcoin Scratchticket - thus limiting the incentives to spamming posts to the moon. Problems with spam come when unscrupolous campaign managers tell enrollees they will pay posts even over maximum limits like Bit-X formerly did. This is a good point that the max payout does something similar to linking to activity however, in my opinion, linking to activity was even better because as an advertizing poster, you didn't need to post anythign at all in order to get a little payment. Therefore there was no incentive to post anymore than when you actually had something to say. The old bitmixer campaign was a model situation, in my opinion. I guess at some point they must have felt like they weren't getting their money's worth as advertizers, though, because, alas, things have changed. Bitmixer seems really concerned about the need to limit spam. IMO another good practice could be forfeiting sig ad payments to spammers and giving them to initiatives like Help the forum and earn Bitcoins!. Something like a Pigovian tax to curb spam - spam can be considered a negative externality. I would like an activity-linked payment system, too; however, i'm not sure advertisers find it good enough for them. |
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I spoke about Italy since I'm based there; however, the Italian law is based on European Directives so i don't think other EU allow such a trade - so, we can safely say such practices are also illegal
Id like to see the EU law or directive that make this illegal. Since I am a EU citizen my country (germany) should have a similar law. Yet I know its different with other digital goods, such as steam games. Reselling a steam game is violating their ToS, but it is within my right to do so. I think I would know if this had changed. Besides that, many other accounts or digital items sold here would be illegal under this assumption. This would include and is not limited to everything tradable via steam, e.g. CS:GO skins[1]. A companies rules are just that and any rule a company tries to enforce that is violating laws can be ignored. I have yet to see evidence that reselling MS keys is illegal anywhere. Yes, those keys might get revoked, but as others have already pointed out thats part of the risk to buy these and there has been no reported incident where this happend. AFAIK Microsoft has given up on this fight in the 90's. They are probably happy for the market share these cheap keys give them. Their plans and announcements for Windows 10 indicate this as well. Win10 will most likely be free for home and basic use. of the European Parliament and of the Council of 23 April 2009 on the legal protection of computer programs. You should look for the German law that translated the said directive in national law to check the applicable rules in your case as no internal law are exactly the same even if translating the same directive. I'm not too concerned about e.g. CS:GO skins but I'll never put a reselled MS key on my PCs, I'll definitely go to OpenOffice or other open-source software IF I want to save some bucks. I cannot afford to spend money on lawyers' fees. AFAIK fight on copyrighted software here is still going on; most cases are brought to courts by Guardia di Finanza after being discovered during investigation on financial crime & tax avoidance schemes, but BSA usually take part to court proceedings as a party damaged from the offence. in other European Union countries as well (total population is roughly 507 million people). As per forum rules, as stated by sirius, here: 1. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden; so, since such deals are illegal there IF any buyer or seller involved are based there such a trade is not allowed in Marketplace board. HE COULD DO NOTHING AGAINST RULES IF HE WOULD BE BASED IN FANTASYLAND SINCE NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT SUCH COUNTRY MAKING A FUSS OVER IT. EUROPEAN UNION IS NOT SO AVAILABLE TO PASS OVER IT...ALSO BECAUSE OF THE TTIP DEAL (LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT PART HERE) THAT SEEMS TO BE BOUND TO INCLUDE ARMONIZATION OF IP LAWS AND RECOGNITION OF COURTS SENTENCES.Peace & LoveLeaked EU analysis of TTIP IPR negotiationsNothing you linked is law, TTIP is in the state of secret negotiations and nothing regarding it is currently relevant for anyone. It might get very hairy in the future, but it is not yet time to quote that. I know this is not yet law, but I put here to try explain why the EU is not insignificant party like TECHSHARE seems to represent. I don't think that is legal. (Not saying it is illegal)
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
Technically, Vod has the right to put it as long as he believes that such a trade might result in a scam.
Otherwise, you will only consider it a scam only when the scam is done over with? It is a warning, lol. I don't think you will get it removed, IMO.
Technically, Vod is on the DefaultTrust list and some of those selling the keys do so for over a year without incident. There is no reason to mark them all as scammers now. I cant see one at least. [1] see last reply by community mod http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/619568793896191005/Probably, I would have put a neutral trust to OP as ABitNut did with JudoMS giving them benefit of doubt, at least at first. However, IMHO being such practice illegal in my jurisdiction i could be justified to give people trading in MSDN Keys a -ve trust feedback. |
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Along the lines of what DOOMad was saying, back in the day the bitmixer campaign was offering a small amount of money to wear their signature no matter whether you posted in a given week or not---they based it on activity, which means that they were paying for posts on the board which were already there. That scheme was wonderful, I think, because there was no incentive to put any posts beyond the 14 in a 2 week period which buys more activity points. Too bad they discontinued this program, I guess.
A capped amount BTC will do the same as linking payments to activity instead of posts. Both Bitmixer and Bitcoin Scratchticket campaigns have caps on the amount they will pay for posts - 0.035 BTC, Bitmixer and 0.010 BTC, Bitcoin Scratchticket - thus limiting the incentives to spamming posts to the moon. Problems with spam come when unscrupolous campaign managers tell enrollees they will pay posts even over maximum limits like Bit-X formerly did. |
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salve a tutti sono Thecardios sono nuovo nel mondo de BC e sto cercando di raccapezzarmi xD ma se ho una domanda dove la posso fare? grazie a tutti per la disponibilità =)
Benvenuto thecaridos! Se vuoi raccapezzarti riguardo al mondo dei BTC sei sicuramente nel posto giusto. Su come fare per porre una domanda ti ha già risposto alch1mista. Buon BTC!  |
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Rather than creating threads for such cases I think you should directly send these reports to badbear. Here is a quote by BadBear
If you pm me about sig spammers, rest assured, I do read them all and check them out. Some go on my "watchlist", some I act on. I don't generally respond to such pm's though, I don't really like discussing actions taken against users with other users, and I don't have time to respond to all the pm's. If you've pm'ed me about such users and haven't gotten a response, don't let that discourage you. I know it sucks to not get a response, I really do, I've been there. It feels like the pms are going into a black hole, and it was a waste of time. Just treat it like reports, send a pm about it and move on, I'll deal with it if it's needed. I do appreciate it, I get a lot of pms (have almost 6k pms in my inbox) but I think this is important.
I agree with you. Hope OP wasn't posting here instead of sending PM to BadBear/Theymos due to the sig ad campaign he is enrolled in. However, It seems the 2nd case today of a post to report ban evaders done here in Meta by sig ad campaign members, see here. |
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What u need?
Anything that can be used as collateral. A collateral is a thing which can be sold easily/fastly. . To help OP understand what is and what isn't a collateral I'm quoting here Vod's post in the [EDU] The Rule of "No Collateral, No Loan" - IGNORE AT YOUR OWN RISK! thread. Hope it helps him. What is considered collateral?Collateral is something that can easily be resold to cover the loan value plus interest should the loaner default on the loan. - The best collateral is another crypto-currency, such as Litecoin (also written as LTC). Coins must be moderately traded on multiple exchanges. - Some digital wares such as domain names can be considered as long as the user cannot recover it. - Small valuable items that can be shipped though the mail - i.e. gold, silver, iphones, etc. - Large items, such as a motorcycle or guitar can be used if you live close to the person giving you the loan. Try localbitcoins.comWhat is not considered collateral?- Items not in hand. Don't trust a user that promises to give you something *when* they default! Tracking numbers only show something has been mailed - it could be an empty box. - Future income. You can prove you'll make xx coins in the next few days, but nothing forces you to send those coins to pay your debt. - Identification. So what if they can prove who they are. Are you going to spend more money and time taking them to court on untested legal grounds? You'll probably just walk away, like everyone does. ID is useless. - Games codes or similar. To verify the collateral you need to use the code, which destroys the collateral. Consider this a purchase, not a loan. (Post in Digital Goods instead) - Most new alt-coins or alt-coins that trade for satoshis are not good collateral as they can become worthless overnight. - Paypal should never be used - they are anti-bitcoin and will rule against you 100% of the time. Escrow can't even help, as paypal charge backs can come over 6 months later! - Most valuable online accounts can easily be recovered by social engineering (the user contacting support to say they were hacked, and regain control of the account) When should you use Escrow? - Never send collateral directly to a low activity/post account offering you a loan, as they are likely to take your coins and disappear. (Escrow Scam) - Use only "Hero Members" or "Legendary Members" for escrow - they have a vested interest in the community with the time they have spent here. - Do not use a third party escrow service unless hero members can vouch for it - it's too easy to create a website, do a few escrows then disappear with a big balance. Rinse and repeat. When considering the trustworthiness of a user, ignore "Posts" as there are schemes that pay a user per post. A person can make 1,000 useless posts in one day and contribute nothing to the community. Instead look at the "Activity" number - that gives you a more accurate tally of how involved the user is in the community. Ignore the sob stories that users post - it's just a scam to get your coins. If a person really is in such a situation, they can turn to family, friends or other social circles they frequent. They are just posting in our community because the payment is anonymous and irreversible. Lastest scam sob story: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=908707.0Finally, do not encourage scammers to come here! Giving out loans to newbies with no collateral, or loans to people with negative trust from "OldScammerTag" are likely to get you negative-trusted by other users, like me.  |
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If signatures cause so many problems why not just ban paid signatures? That allows personal sigs to remain and eliminates all the spammers?
How can you say an user wasn't paid to wear a signature? I'm not sure your proposal can be enforced...really. Signature campaigns shouldn't be allowed on the forum is what he's saying. So no public proposals for renting signatures should be allowed. You should be able to tell if there is more than 5 users wearing the same signature.  So IF some users are wearing the same signature of a e.g. dice site but with distinct referrals...would this considered paid or not? I am just asking since in the past i did so outside of a sig ad campaign...and i don't like being forbidden to do so "outside" of sig ad campaign. I don't see, however, how this could be separated from a normal sig-ad campaign...without to investigate BTC-addresses.. |
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Probably, one moderator is not enough to handle the Whole Russian local board. That's right. I talked with hero members last year and they may help. But I can't oblige them to do so while Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation is working on their bill that makes cryptocurrencies illegal in Russia. Russian moderators can get to court and prosecuted. I can't ask heroes to take risks. I really hope no Russian mod have to get under scrutiny by Russian Security Services due to his job here. However, if risks of being investigated by police & security services are affecting mods recruitment maybe, a non-Russian national fluent with the Language and based outside Russian boundaries could be tasked with the job of moderating the Russian local board. Just my 2 cents. |
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If signatures cause so many problems why not just ban paid signatures? That allows personal sigs to remain and eliminates all the spammers?
How can you say an user wasn't paid to wear a signature? I'm not sure your proposal can be enforced...really. |
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Maybe you have better chance to use the Report the Moderator link or to PM BabBear or Theymos.  You may also avoid the risk of an Off-topic post. |
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I don't left you a -ve trust feedback myself, since i didn't notice early your thread; however, I have to correct you since in some jurisdiction - like e.g. Italy - buying & selling w/o COAs and/or using SWs with such Keys on computers is illegal and dealt with huge administrative fines; however, often in some bigger cases, a felony charge is brought to courts.
Is "some jurisdictions" such as Italy the entire world? Is the seller based in one of these countries? Is the forum hosted in one of those countries? Are customers from those countries even trading with him? No? You don't know? In that case NOTHING HE IS DOING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES. I spoke about Italy since I'm based there; however, the Italian law is based on European Directives so i don't think other EU allow such a trade - so, we can safely say such practices are also illegal in other European Union countries as well (total population is roughly 507 million people). As per forum rules, as stated by sirius, here: 1. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden; so, since such deals are illegal there IF any buyer or seller involved are based there such a trade is not allowed in Marketplace board. HE COULD DO NOTHING AGAINST RULES IF HE WOULD BE BASED IN FANTASYLAND SINCE NO ONE WOULD CARE ABOUT SUCH COUNTRY MAKING A FUSS OVER IT. EUROPEAN UNION IS NOT SO AVAILABLE TO PASS OVER IT...ALSO BECAUSE OF THE TTIP DEAL (LOOK AT ENFORCEMENT PART HERE) THAT SEEMS TO BE BOUND TO INCLUDE ARMONIZATION OF IP LAWS AND RECOGNITION OF COURTS SENTENCES.Peace & Love |
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To me his -ve trust feedback to OP look legit & correct since he seems to strongly believe FuckIdolPlus his a scammer. If Vod wasn't strongly convinced of it, It would have left a neutral feedback to him or no feedback at all. However, after looking at OP trust feedback page, I found another member - ABitNut (uid: 331100) - who left him referenced -ve trust feedback over similar trades. If OP cares over -ve trust feedback he should politely ask Vod & ABitNut to revise their feedbacks. ABitNut is the person who started the word that selling MSDN is illegal and what not. He ignited the fire and VOD became the gust of wind, spreading it. I don't left you a -ve trust feedback myself, since i didn't notice early your thread; however, I have to correct you since in some jurisdiction - like e.g. Italy - buying & selling w/o COAs and/or using SWs with such Keys on computers is illegal and dealt with huge administrative fines; however, often in some bigger cases, a felony charge is brought to courts. |
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To me his -ve trust feedback to OP look legit & correct since he seems to strongly believe FuckIdolPlus his a scammer. If Vod wasn't strongly convinced of it, It would have left a neutral feedback to him or no feedback at all. However, after looking at OP trust feedback page, I found another member - ABitNut (uid: 331100) - who left him referenced -ve trust feedback over similar trades. If OP cares over -ve trust feedback he should politely ask Vod & ABitNut to revise their feedbacks. |
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I'm willing to do this loan of 5 clam only if you're willing to go first.
OP is looking for 0.05 BTC not clams. Maybe you get confused by his other loan request, here. Edit: I agree with Hazid that this thread don't belong to Economic board but to Lending one; so, I urge a Mod to move it there. |
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Hi, i am short on money, and tomorrow my friend has birthday and I need to buy her a gift.
Amount to loan: 0.05
To addres : 1GfHCYBHMVeAJ18emrZUt9n5gGHKFXtfhw
Term: 2-3 days
Repay amount: 0.055
http://gyazo.com/5b1a00a43a0a9f9de03e90d5dab2f820Reason to report: Off-topic post & thread. Loan requests don't belong here; I think the thread should be moved to the Lending board, where loan requests belong. |
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How to get full member?
You will be a full member the fastest on 5th of May considering that you posted at least 1 post in the two weeks interval to accumulate the activity points , full member is 120 activity points atleast Every two weeks you will be updated 14 activities, at second week's Tuesday if the number of posts is enough for the updates! And Jr account is worth about 0.01-0.03
What if member than? there is no fixed price about a value of an account it will be depends on demands and offer but if you are asking about the price of your account, it is worhtless because it got a valid red trust . I would also add that IF OP still need to how an understanding of ranked accounts' prices he should look in the Digital Goods board. Maybe he's looking to buy a ranked account to have a new clean start without the burden of -ve trust feedback. Examples of account sellers threads: ===>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=624612.0===>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631455.0===>>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=292662.0 |
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This can result in a lot of abuse. One person can get in with a ton of newbie alts, post a ton of insubstantial posts and then report the newbie posts on their main account.
I don't think doing it in the way you says is worth since positive mod action is required to have the reported post paid. Thus, multiple spam posts from alt-accounts could end up first having them banned then having your main account permabanned for ban evasion, like admin & mods are doing on sig-ad ban evaders recently. |
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Any of you guys interested in it(betting off of the standard ponzi set-up)? I've been getting into it recently and was seeing how the community views it. What sites do you guys use? I've been using http://7dayponzi.com/ lately.. Reason to report: Off-topic post & thread. Due to being related to ponzies it could be moved to Investor-based games board, if deemed worth to be kept. |
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