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761  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [OPEN!] LTB Transcription Project on: July 29, 2014, 07:18:42 AM
Broke phone again. ...... ................  Angry

Added episodes to queue & reservation list as appropriate. Will take me 1-3 days (about to head to sleep). There's no planned bounty change for remaining episodes. I'll probably take them on if they aren't reserved around "project end date." Need to talk over what's happening again with those involved. I/O overload atm.
762  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I can't find any information on Nick Szabo, is he is who he says he is? on: July 25, 2014, 11:48:23 PM
Satoshi is from the future. In his timeline, he was very poor and bitcoin was invented in 2012 by someone else.

He sold everything he had and bought a one way ticket to come back in time to start bitcoin himself, so his future self would be a trillion-air and not need to travel back in time.
This could be reasonable. I guess there could be a completely logical reason to not time-travel to the most major events we've had in Earth's history (assuming they weren't already tampered with) - so even though we might discount time-travel theory just because we haven't noticed it, it's possible Bitcoin was the first event considered important enough to tamper with. Starry-eyed, I know. In a FTL future where Satoshi may've come from, events are likely much more significant to many more people (assuming the number of people on Earth over the past tens of thousands of years doesn't create any exponential function with regards to the number of humans colonizing in space in the future, which seems plausible). Fiat has absolutely no place in the FTL era. You go visit a moon on YX-0038 with a briefcase of USD or rubles and they might pay its fuel value... so maybe a micro-satoshi, or just a beer to cheer you up. Crypto can be sent far into space already -- there's really nothing preventing extremely long travel, though you'd probably want a particular individual planet to handle most of the actual transaction processing due to latency -- actually, I guess it'd make sense to have unique cryptos for each "sector," ironically bringing back one of the same issues Bitcoin was supposed to solve: geographical boundaries restricting value flow. I'd be surprised if there weren't already a paper or few on intergalactic Bitcoin, though.

More likely, though - Bitcoin was never invented in the "previous past" - at least, it wasn't open-source. If it was already invented and open-source, it would've been silly for Satoshi to not copy-paste the future past's code and to instead give us a kludgey, insecure client. Since he didn't copy-paste, he probably slapped together the code after a couple crash courses and tried to reverse-engineer what happened in the future, and in that case, Satoshi would not have needed all the input he took during the time he was developing. OTOH, it's also very possible the code of the future relied on so many not-currently-invented dependencies, it had to be re-coded from scratch. Satoshi may've been a coder from the future but didn't count on having to write Bitcoin in such a now-obscure, archaic language, though the original daemon being Windows-only would imply Microsoft will probably always dominate the OS market (or it was otherwise the only OS Satoshi could find a copy of in the future).
763  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [OPEN!] LTB Transcription Project on: July 25, 2014, 11:17:57 PM
We're getting really close to the end. An "amnesty" is in effect. Any episode reserved can be considered to have its "decaying payment timer" reset to this day. If you had an episode reserved for a couple weeks and submit it within the next few days, you'll get full pay for your pay tier. After the first few days' grace period, the decaying payment will restart (with any previous "decayed balance" zeroed out), so if you wait four days and'd normally be paid .15 for the episode, you'd be paid .145 rather than .095 or whatever if you had it out for a couple weeks.
764  Economy / Lending / Re: Lending Subforum Intro & Scam Trends on: July 24, 2014, 02:43:44 AM
After replying the to guy with "100BTC"...... I propose anyone lending money should sign their BTC addy proving they have the BTC.
It should be in OP.
Kinda-sorta added.
765  Other / Off-topic / Re: PC Gaming Thread on: July 24, 2014, 02:39:21 AM
Played Distant Worlds Universe and previously-mentioned Divinity Original Sin.

I have no idea who the target audience for DWU would be, but it's pretty well thought out. It's what I'll call a GalCiv-like (or Sins-like... I confuse the two), but with surprisingly well-made AI and playing even more like a sim -- actually, the AI will manage as much or as little of your empire as you'd like (starting out, you'll probably want that to be almost everything unless the tutorials are helpful), with you being able to fine-tune what it does with a comprehensive automation/policy screen. Empires also have a well-made private sector which'll efficiently build ships and mining bases in sectors you control.

DWU's big issue is just that it's horribly, horribly slow, unlike any other game I've played. They have no issue plopping you down with one planet on one solar system you have absolutely nothing interesting to do with for the first 20 minutes of gameplay. That's after waiting 2-5 minutes for the game to load (similar to the length of time it takes BTC Core to load).

In its favor, it really is very well-detailed. It's a thinking game, where you're generally planning more than executing. It's not at the point where there's anything more fun than planning in the game (generally, you plan so something interesting happens, but in DWU, at least after the galaxy's been pretty well picked clean of explorables, you plan so you can plan again, but nothing interesting ever happens), though, so I'm not sure if it has much advantage over writing up a grocery list. That said, I keep playing it for some reason... might be worth a look if waiting for GalCiv2 without beta access.



I don't have much to say on DOS. It plays a lot like Baldur's Gate (but feels much more "fluid" -- click-to-move system isn't nearly as maddening) and has a very similar sense of humor. Probably up your alley if you enjoyed Black Isle games.
766  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [OPEN!] LTB Transcription Project on: July 24, 2014, 01:06:10 AM
Completed Episode 127 – The Realist and the Experiment

Link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/234689052/LTB-Episode-127-The-Realist-and-the-Experiment

Bitcoin address: 16vNyGSXoDKoaNMQtnA65sJWjqo2iFa1Ho


i have made paragraphs because first part was monologue.


And sorry for being late, weekends you know Smiley
Sorry to be slow. Finally added to PR list. Will get to it tomorrow morning (or tonight if audio finishes downloading "early").
767  Other / Off-topic / Re: How much would it cost to build my own lab? on: July 21, 2014, 07:16:25 AM
Y i agree your location is the most important factor for the price and whether u are even able to get the chemicals u need  Wink

Chemistry is a lot of fun. Biochemistry is a bit more applied, and therefore less pure.

Chemistry is the most pure you can get and remain hands on (fuck you physics).

Ha! You're awesome, and you obviously know the rivalry between physics and chemistry. Physics majors are akin to the philosophy majors--almost totally useless.

Biochemistry is fucking boring as shit, all that pipeting will just give you hand pain and a numb brain--I hated it. I specialized in analytical, taught myself microbiology and ended up being a process scientist for a while. I'm now trying to educate myself how to teach children, because we have a 3-yr old...chemistry is almost out the window, but she has read some of my chemistry books, and I'm trying to figure out how to teach it to her safely.

--Amy (not Kluge, don't blame him for what I say even though he gave me the link to this thread.)
768  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [OPEN!] LTB Transcription Project on: July 20, 2014, 11:25:38 PM
Taking e109 is cool. Will PR/pay e125 tomorrow morning. Will update OP list.

ETA: Whoops - PR slipped my mind. Will have it done within 3h of this edit. ETA2: Paid.
769  Economy / Economics / Re: Welfare/tax adjusted income, sliding pay in a Michigan, USA on: July 20, 2014, 11:24:41 PM
Very interesting. In the UK we have a similarly unfair system. An unemployed single mother with three kids would have to be earning 75000 dollars to maintain the lifestyle given out in benefits. Working couples with children are entitled to extra support (tax credits) which equalises pay to within a few thousand dollars regardless the hours worked. In essence you have to earn well over twice the median wage before you start to see any real improvement in net takehome after tax.

And that's before you consider the hugely overpriced poor  quality housing Smiley

The west is now an awful Orwellian nightmare. Crony pseudo capitalism, total surveillance, socialist state Sad
Yeah -- it's really weird to work >250% the hours (ex1a vs ex1c) and have net take-home only increase <20%. It's a case study in socio-economic immobility. Taxes and welfare have set it up so the sweet spot is working part time for the majority of people, where working long hours or multiple is punished rather than rewarded.

There's another interesting take-away. For most people, saving $100 is worth significantly more than earning $100 more at their job. Maybe quit working over-time and spend the time clipping coupons! Lips sealed Cheesy
770  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: SLOOOOWWWWWWWWWW btc today on: July 19, 2014, 06:26:47 PM
I dont mind waiting for a few minutes, but anything over 15-20 could become a problem from a customer to business aspect.
People want to pay for their goods or services and be done with it. They dont want to hang around and wait 20-30 minutes for their transaction to go through.
I think the wait time could be a problem. Maybe in the future we can have that figured out and have transaction times around a couple minutes tops.
You wouldn't hang around for 20-30 minutes. As soon as it's relayed, there's no reason for the product or service not to be delivered unless it's a large purchase, in which case, there's very little risk in waiting for more than two confirmations. Above, say, $5,000, you may want to wait for 4-6.

CC, check, and cash fraud is a part of life for retailers. BTC fraud is exceptionally rare (and usually some other fault of the service than fake transactions being confirmed) and it's significantly more secure than a check in most instances, where stores certainly don't wait for checks to clear to provide the service or product.

Sorry, I disagree with the bold part even for a small amount. There are sites like bitundo.com trying to scam before first confirmation.
Yeah, sorry - I was thinking a B&M store with small-ticket items.
771  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: SLOOOOWWWWWWWWWW btc today on: July 19, 2014, 06:08:47 PM
I dont mind waiting for a few minutes, but anything over 15-20 could become a problem from a customer to business aspect.
People want to pay for their goods or services and be done with it. They dont want to hang around and wait 20-30 minutes for their transaction to go through.
I think the wait time could be a problem. Maybe in the future we can have that figured out and have transaction times around a couple minutes tops.
You wouldn't hang around for 20-30 minutes. As soon as it's relayed, there's no reason for the product or service not to be delivered unless it's a large purchase, in which case, there's very little risk in waiting for more than two confirmations. Above, say, $5,000, you may want to wait for 4-6.

CC, check, and cash fraud is a part of life for retailers. BTC fraud is exceptionally rare (and usually some other fault of the service than fake transactions being confirmed) and it's significantly more secure than a check in most instances, where stores certainly don't wait for checks to clear to provide the service or product.
772  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to prevent Bitcoins being seized? on: July 19, 2014, 06:05:05 PM
All you have to do is make a BIP38 encrypted private key. They cannot decrypt it to take your bitcoins, and they cannot get the bitcoin address from it to look it up either.

Correct but they can also get a court order compelling you to open the thing to them.

If you fail to do so, you can and will be held in contempt of court and given free room and board in the Greybar Hotel until you change your mind.

Has there been a precedent setting district court case that decided this? I know it has been challenged. At least in the US you can't be force to incriminate yourself.
It's disputed and has gone both ways in courts over the past few years. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140626/06532327686/massachusetts-ignores-5th-amendment-says-defendant-can-be-forced-to-decrypt-his-computer.shtml
773  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: SLOOOOWWWWWWWWWW btc today on: July 19, 2014, 05:58:34 PM
4 confirmations in 30 minutes is way under target confirmation time. Of course, a transaction is verified at one confirmation (arguably, at the time it's relayed)...
774  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to prevent Bitcoins being seized? on: July 19, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
Never have your pubkey associated directly with your legal identity. If your legal identity is tied to any pubkeys you use, you're probably boned and will need to turn over the privkeys. If you have pubkeys showing in your wallet at all and they hold coins, you're probably boned and will need to turn over the privkeys, even if they're watch-only.

So put a watch on the Silk Road seized coins addresses.

I thought about suggesting that... go with the "oh, I'm just some fucking weirdo who likes to watch coin flow from a random subset of addresses" argument... but even still, if they can directly tie coin-filled public keys to you, I'd guess they demand you decrypt them and prosecute if you don't.
775  Economy / Economics / Re: Welfare/tax adjusted income, sliding pay in a Michigan, USA on: July 19, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
I guess that's good enough to call done. I think it's worth noting that everyone demanding a higher minimum wage should keep in mind it's very possible to have that being a net detriment (possibly a killer for large families) to the lower class working at those rates without first increasing the welfare net by a significant margin.

Again - not exact, just ballpark info (often with rules from other states!). Large families already on welfare are likely to be financially harmed or ruined in trying to move out of poverty and into the middle class -- small families will see greatly diminished returns for working longer hours (and possibly be financially harmed moving from poverty to middle-class) unless both parents are working for at LEAST ~$12.50 per hour already, full time (in which case, it's only a relatively slight diminishment). Once they're out of Medicaid/CHIP's umbrella, they're basically screwed unless they receive a dramatic increase in pay and work much longer hours. Individuals without dependents are most likely to survive a transition from minimum wage pay to a higher pay since they receive little in the way of welfare.
776  Economy / Economics / Re: Welfare/tax adjusted income, sliding pay in a Michigan, USA on: July 19, 2014, 04:16:14 PM
Need a break. Will clean up and add more cases to look at in a few hours. Oh -- before someone else gets to it -- $3,672 annual food budget for household of two in poverty is possibly unreasonable. Even though the allowance exists, it may not have been fully utilized if it weren't "free."
777  Economy / Economics / Welfare/tax adjusted income, sliding pay in a Michigan, USA on: July 19, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
Don't have much to do today, so figured I'd throw out some food for thought. I live in Michigan. In most cases, people will have a higher net income not working while on welfare than working for $12.50/hr or less full time. I've decided to ignore people not working since Michigan's generally pretty harsh toward people without work vs. those working part-time (you are ineligible for almost everything unless you attend a government training program for something like 20h/wk). Here are some examples of net income based on earnings (using tax rules for FY2013, welfare rules for 2014) and assuming people take full advantage of welfare available to them. I will not be going into the many state and federal tax deductions which, for most people, are more trouble than worth filing for (for example, deductions for buying work boots), or which are generally not used by many individuals (environmental credits and deductions).

These are not necessarily accurate examples and in many cases, I've generalized and "averaged" where eligibility and benefits would need a large amount of extra data. Michigan counties also often "demand" income taxes (usually ~.5-3% of income after a certain point) based on where the person works and lives, but this is usually so poorly enforced (generally not at all), I'm not going to bother including its effects. I will also not be including any tax refund deals companies offer -- for example, Amazon partners with Turbotax and provides a 5-10% bonus on top of the refund for any amount (up to a maximum of something like $2,500) taken as a Amazon GC balance. Michigan has relatively high property taxes (I personally pay ~1.75% of FMV annually), but MI income taxes generally refund a large portion of paid property taxes as a credit.

Michigan participates in the following major welfare programs (excluding post-employment unemployment, disability, etc, and minor welfare like WIC):
SNAP/EBT (food stamps)
Formulas for calculating eligibility/benefits here.
TANF (cash assistance)
TANF is a very nuanced program not easy to calculate for given generalities, and I will actually be using Delaware's rules because there's a slick calculator available and their rules are much more straight-forward. This will significantly decrease accuracy of results, but still probably give a better ballpark estimate than I could. I will be assuming everyone meets asset maximum requirements. Though I'm not factoring this in, TANF cannot be taken by a family for more than 5 years -- in defense of this, TANF counts as unearned income which can dramatically reduce SNAP benefits.
Medicaid/CHIP (comprehensive health insurance with practically no co-pays or deductibles)
Net income factor here is guesstimated at $300/mo per adult (after co-pay and deductibles), $250/mo per child. Eligibility info was taken from here.
Section 8, "Housing Choice Vouchers" (near-free rent)
HCA is a bureaucratic clusterfuck and I will be generalizing/guesstimating. I will be using DoJ family size median income numbers and eligibility information provided by HUD here and local knowledge on general rent prices without Section 8.
LIHEAP (energy subsidization, subsidized appliance replacement)
LIHEAP benefits are very variable, particularly in MI where we have both normal subsidizations as well as "crisis" payments in case of shut-offs (with much more lax eligibility). It also comes with a flat 20% reduction in gas/electric costs. General info is taken from here. I've guesstimated the subsidy for any household making less than $12,837 annually @ $1,500 ($850 in gov't direct subsidies, $650 in savings from rate reduction), and the subsidy for any family making between that and $22,911 to be $25/yr (crisis coverage, which gives up to $350/yr but will probably not be used). In reality, LIHEAP scales just like any other Progressive welfare program, but I can't find all the data I want to really give a decent estimate.


Ex1a -- Bill ($10/hr, 15h/wk)
Bill earns $10/hr pre-tax. Bill lives alone with his 16-year-old son. He has no investments and is generally able to get a heavy or light work schedule based on his preference. Averaged out, let's say Bill works 15h/wk, for a yearly haul of $7,800 ($650/mo). This is Bill's only earned income. Bill owns his home outright on which he pays $2,600 annually in property taxes, $1,800 annually in homeowner's insurance. Bill has no other income or expenditure relevant to his income tax filings.

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - $3,381
Michigan income tax - $2,436
TANF - $1,992
SNAP - $3,672
Medicaid - $6,600
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - $1,500

Real annual income - $27,381
Effective hourly pay - $35.10



Ex1b -- Bill ($10/hr, 25h/wk)
Same as Ex1a except Bill decides to work more, 25h/wk, for a yearly haul of $13,000 ($1083/mo).

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - $4,250
Michigan income tax - $2,215
TANF - $1,272
SNAP - $2,124
Medicaid - $6,600
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - $25

Real annual income - $29,486
Effective hourly pay - $22.68



Ex1c -- Bill ($10/hr, 40h/wk)
Same as Ex1a except Bill decides to work more, 40h/wk, for a yearly haul of $20,800 ($1733/mo).

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - $3,316
Michigan income tax - $1,884
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - $6,600
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - $25

Real annual income - $32,625
Effective hourly pay - $15.69



Ex1d -- Bill ($10/hr for 40h/wk, $15/hr [OT] for 20h/wk)
Same as Ex1a except Bill decides to work more, 60h/wk (40h/wk for normal pay, $10/hr, and 20h/wk for overtime, $15/hr), for a yearly haul of $36,400 ($3033/mo).

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - ($1,083)
Michigan income tax - $1,220
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - ineligible
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $36,537
Effective hourly pay - $11.71


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Ex2a -- Rhonda & Jim (R- $7.50/hr for 15h/wk, J- $12.50/hr for 15h/wk)
Rhonda and Jim are married with three young kids. They rent a 3BR HCA-participating apartment. Where they live, that apartment would normally go for $650/mo. Rhonda works for $7.50/hr for 15h/wk, for an annual haul of $5,850. Jim works for $12.50/hr for 15h/wk, for an annual haul of $9,750. Combined, that's $15,600/yr ($1,300/mo). They file jointly (because it's easier on me!). Rhonda and Jim have no other tax-relevant details.

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - $7,934
Michigan income tax - ($327.50)
TANF - $3,996
SNAP - $4,740
Medicaid - $16,200
Section 8 - $6,240
LIHEAP - $1,500

Real annual income - $55,883
Effective hourly pay (averaged, per person) - $35.82



Ex2b -- Rhonda & Jim (R- $7.50/hr for 25h/wk, J- $12.50/hr for 25h/wk)
Rhonda earns $9,750/yr. Jim earns $16,250/yr. Combined, $26,000/yr ($2167/mo)

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - $8,379
Michigan income tax - ($769.25)
TANF - $2,532
SNAP - $2,676
Medicaid - $16,200
Section 8 - $5,200
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $60,218
Effective hourly pay - $23.16



Ex2c -- Rhonda & Jim (R- $7.50/hr for 40h/wk, J- $12.50/hr for 40h/wk)
Rhonda earns $15,600/yr. Jim earns $26,000/yr. Combined, $41,600/yr ($3467/mo)

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - $4,101
Michigan income tax - ($1,432.25)
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - ineligible
Section 8 - $2,808 (very possibly not eligible)
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $47,077
Effective hourly pay- $11.32



Ex2d -- Rhonda & Jim (R- $7.50/hr for 40h/wk, $11.25/hr for 20h/wk [OT], J- $12.50/hr for 40h/wk, $18.75/hr for 20h/wk [OT])
Rhonda earns $27,300/yr. Jim earns $45,500/yr. Combined, $72,800/yr ($6067/mo)

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - ($2,276)
Michigan income tax - ($2,758.25)
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - ineligible
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $67,766
Effective hourly pay- $10.86


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Ex3a -- Janet ($17.50/hr for 15h/wk)
Janet lives by herself. She has a house on mortgage for which she pays $500/mo ($6,000 annually) for the mortgage, and $2,200 annually in property taxes. Janet makes $17.50/hr and works 15h/wk for a yearly haul of $13,650 ($1,137.50/mo).

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - ($317)
Michigan income tax - $1,956
TANF - $1,368
SNAP - $840
Medicaid - $3,600
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $21,097
Effective hourly pay- $27.05


Ex3b -- Janet ($17.50/hr for 25h/wk)
Janet makes $22,750/yr, $1895.83/mo

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - ($1,470)
Michigan income tax - $1,569
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - ineligible
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $22,849
Effective hourly pay- $17.58


Ex3c -- Janet ($17.50/hr for 40h/wk)
Janet makes $36,400/yr, $3033.33/mo

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - ($3,518)
Michigan income tax - $989
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - ineligible
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $33,871
Effective hourly pay- $16.28



Ex3d -- Janet ($17.50/hr for 40h/wk, $26.25 for 20h/wk [OT])
Janet makes $63,700/yr, $5308.33/mo

Annualized income and (outgo) from Progressive programs:
Federal income tax - ($9,360)
Michigan income tax - ($171.50)
TANF - ineligible
SNAP - ineligible
Medicaid - ineligible
Section 8 - ineligible
LIHEAP - ineligible

Real annual income - $54,169
Effective hourly pay- $17.36
778  Other / Off-topic / Re: How much would it cost to build my own lab? on: July 18, 2014, 05:33:38 PM
I'm interested in building a lab to house biochemistry experiments. I'm not sure exactly what experiments I'll be doing but I have a good understanding of biochemistry and genetics since I have a degree in the subject so knowledge-wise, I should be OK. I'll need a PCR machine, centrifuge, spectrophotometer, etc. Raw materials will also be needed and replenished at regular intervals.

What price range am I looking at here? Anyone else do research as a hobby here?

I've done research in biochemistry, and PCR's are quite expensive and large--but there are places online where you can find used equipment. I have a small centrifuge, probably not the kind you're looking for though. I have some basic stuff like test tubes, beakers, volumetric flasks, etc. I'm looking for some basic analytical equipment like a spec-20, FTIR and a sep funnel, etc. It's going to become a hobby for me since I've been out of the field for several years and our daughter is getting close to the right age to start learning about this stuff.

http://www.labx.com/

http://www.biosurplus.com/

--Amy (not Kluge)
779  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would Bitcoin insurance have helped in a disaster like Mt. Gox? on: July 18, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Companies are effectively renting the reserves of insurance companies, so yeah, insurance companies need to have sufficient reserves -- they act very, very similarly to investment banks. While 700kBTC might seem unrealistic, that's "only" ~$437.5M. AIG isn't the largest insurance company on Earth, but has ~$50B market cap, so they could probably get by okay since they can pay in fiat. (maybe users aren't completely satisfied with this, but so what? They got their fiat value back which is a Hell of a lot better than $0 and 0BTC)

That aside, though - insurance companies tend to be pretty strict and asshole-y since their liability is pretty much entirely Gox's security protocols and financial health. They wouldn't allow Gox to do the things it did, and would refuse to service them until they complied with a long, long list of demands and audits. Bitcoin's too big to have small startup insurance companies trying to take over some of these massive accounts, I think, so it'll need to wait for experienced professionals to bone up on BTC info, grab some specialized accountants and code auditors, then jump in.
780  Economy / Digital goods / Re: How much will Bitcoins.com sell for??? on: July 18, 2014, 10:55:36 AM
I'm going to stick my neck out and give a relatively precise range.

$30k-$3M.

I'm curious why all the new TLDs would have ANY impact on prices of "real" domain names (.com first, then .org, then the two-letter country codes, and then everything else may's well be xxJJeiN39995839.donkeyprincessmonkeygiraffeheadsonplattersofwhatever939cx58395C CiJ)
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