I'm neither Ibian nor have I ever stated that people shouldn't be helped.

And you haven't made any fucking point.

You're deliberately missing a point that should be so obvious that it's incomprehensible that you try to argue against it, when it would do much more to help society than your whining. You're telling people to whine, I'm telling them to shut the fuck up and seek out incremental improvements in their own life-style.
You then keep coming up with slaves and child soldiers, which can neither be easily saved by Westeners nor are they in any way relevant to the point that I've made (nor do they disprove it, quite on the contrary everything you've said was evidence for my point).


P.S. I find your attitude disgusting, and expected more out of you than to assume that a call for self-improvement over self-pitying could in any way be constructed as "the most unfortunate people should be left to rot". Get your head out of your fucking ass.

This just shows that your reading comprehension skills are non-existent. You're filling gaps that never even existed.

The quote of mine stated that:

An individual which chooses to invest their individual time into complaining about their individual situation instead of trying to improve their own individual situation doesn't deserve an improved situation. (Spoilers: Always the same individual.)


You now take an outsider, e.g. yourself, complaining on behalf of a victim (which you made up) to disprove my assertion.

None of what you've tried to state here has anything to do with what I've stated.

In my statement, the slave girl or child soldier or whatever the fuck you want to use as an appeal-to-emotion example (any individual can be used here, really) is better off investing their time into figuring out any way to improve their situation over complaining over their situation.
Complaining will do nothing to improve their situation, especially in the outlandish situations you've named here.

Yet you try to use those to disprove a completely different claim that you have made up (and constantly keep changing with new examples). All while trying to portray me as some kind of inhumane devil. That's some serious mental acrobatics that I would only expect out of a lawyer.

This all started with someone whining over wealth inequality and the widening wealth gap. Which should be completely irrelevant to literally everyone except data fetishists.

You keep pulling shit out of your ass and trying to shove it down my throat.

You act as if I had stated that considering helping them or actively (trying to) do so shouldn't be allowed, which is false. None of that crap has anything to do with the argument though.


Name me one example in which you will see strictly better results by complaining than by thinking up different potential solutions. You can't. Because complaining is a destructive force with a net effect that is either zero or negative.
Nobody is stopping you from helping others, and props to you if you're not just a hypocrite running your mouth and actually doing what you preach to others (which I doubt). But none of that has anything to do with the fact that energy invested in complaining is wasted energy.

Best case you will make people aware of a given problem, but if that was your goal there are vastly more efficient ways that won't cause other gullible people to just complain as well.

On an unrelated side note. It's quite interesting how the subsets of shared opinion holders on this thread seem to go through all possible permutations.

If said slave chooses to spend time that he could've used e.g. on devising an escape plan on complaining.

So you'd rather have people complain and die than having them trying to figure out steps to improve their life in whatever ways accessible to them. How is that supposed to ever accomplish anything?

So you are stating that the child soldier in your example would be better off complaining than trying to figure out how to stay alive or find a way out of his current life?

You're making false correlations. Just because it's possible to sometimes see greater results with less effort doesn't mean that it's generally desirable to put in no effort (or waste whatever effort you can bring up on whining). In any realistic scenario any individual that tries will perform better than the very same individual in the very same situation would without trying. There's just no sensible argument about this as far as I can see, although I'd be eager to hear one.

Implying that your efforts don't necessarily mean anything just because other people got more "money" or whatever without trying just doesn't make sense. Obviously some efforts will go to waste. But fact is, if you look at one individual person at any point in time that same person will be better off if they invest their time productively as opposed to wasting it on whining or doing nothing at all.




Also, the day an AI takes away humans jobs should be a global holiday. Personally, I can't fucking wait. As far as human zoo goes, I'm hard pressed to imagine a future in which we don't increase our own capabilities by making transfer of information from and to our computers more efficient.

In addition to this.

If all the people who spend their time complaining spent that time on finding sensible goals that are achievable by them and moved towards them, there'd be an inevitable increase in people who know what it takes to move upward as well as people who would be positioned to help their old peers do so.

I fail to see how a culture of complaining could in any reality possibly think to compete with this one. Anyone propagating that bullshit is part of the problem.

The idea that "trying to improve your life" could somehow be interpreted as "just breaking free at any time from any circumstance" is just plain naive. When did anybody ever say that improving your life was generally easy? Where do you even take those arguments from?

I'll speak a language you can understand, as you've kindly started doing so yourself.

Your argument about hard work is fucking retarded. Only an imbecile would make that argument, as even a child understands that chopping away at a tree with a plastic butter knife won't ever do anything. Will it be hard work? Yes. Does it accomplish anything? No.

If you're too stupid to stop repeating what hasn't worked for your entire life and complain about the outcome that's on you.

Equality of opportunity doesn't mean equality of hardships encountered either. You can have the same opportunities on a race track, but still end up staggering. Doesn't mean the other racers had better opportunities than you. Doesn't mean you were at fault for staggering either. The question is, do you get up or start complaining.

Your ex could have just given up, but she didn't. So she's better off than she would have been. And unless she's too old to move she still has plenty of opportunity to move upward. An average income is enough to retire as a (multi) millionaire if you invest a good bulk of it. Even if you start investing at 30-40.

P.S. You could also argue that those hardships made her more resilient against stress. Which could very well mean that it would be easier for her to achieve top 1% and higher goals than the average person. Would that mean that she had greater opportunities than others? And that the people without such hardships were dealt an unfair card?

Lack of real upward mobility does not imply the lack of opportunity for such. There are all kinds of reasons not to move upwards. Tribes exist that specifically avoid all contact with anything outside of their world, by choice.

We live in a world with finite space and constantly increasing population. Millenials can very well afford houses, but they want houses in heavily congested areas that they can not afford. I never understood why poor people would try to move to rich cities without having a job guarantee.
Millionaires could start complaining that they can't afford the houses of billionaires and it'd be roughly the same thing with an extra three zeroes. It's just a plain retarded argument that has no place in reality.

Furthermore, wealth concentrating among older people is also a more than obvious conclusion. After all, they had more time to mature in their financial decisions.

Wealth inequality is a non-problem and merely a propaganda talking point that distracts people from empowering themselves. I'm a millenial from a low income immigrant family by the way, and there's no such thing as lack of upward mobility. Just don't fucking spend 99% of your waking hours getting shitfaced and you'll at least move toward a comfortable upper middle class life with more than enough options to purchase reasonable real estate (multiple rooms, pools, saunas in most cities). It may not be easy, but it certainly is as simple as that.

Anyone who has time to complain about wealth inequality doesn't really deserve moving upwards in the food chain, as they could've invested the same time on figuring out sensible goals for their life as well as some steps towards them. Whining and trying to steal from others who have done so before is going to do fuck all at best, and get a lot of people killed at worst. Just stop.

Looks like a reasonable averaging to me around a price line smack through the middle of the barts.

Customers of government services are not governments but citizens. Often involuntarily so.

It's somewhat peaty which isn't for everyone / harder to get into. It actually tastes surprisingly sweet once your palette adapts, with hints of something salty.

LN and/or batched withdrawals should fix any tx fee issues. Or am I missing something?

Also, if I used cash at all I'd be happy to throw my change into a Bitcorn machine for a 10% fee. I lose most of the coins I have anyways or throw them into random tip jars and whatnot.

Did you buy at 19k?