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7601  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: LIQUI.IO telegram group of people who lost funds on: May 08, 2018, 10:56:41 AM
Hello

We are gathering people who lost funds on liqui.io in a telegram group:

https://t.me/joinchat/AdU2FE9-2oyeBMf-lXNA9w

Liqui doesn't do much support and a lot of people lost funds in deposits that never got through or withdrawals that never succeeded.  Now it's time we stood up and do something about it.

Possibilities are:

- Press charges
- Class action suit
- Get the Ukranian government involved
- Mass social media actions

There are enough people who are more than willing to put some effort into this.

Please join us.
Do you think creating the group of victims on the Telegram will recover your funds? What you can do is spread the scam news as mush as you can,it will help the people in future by getting scammed.If the governments involves that might give some solutions but I doubt that it will happen.

And one more thing,Poloniex also will join in the scam club in the near future in my opinion because there are lots of cases are opened against them,so be careful guys and never store your funds in exchange for too long.
I dont even see the reason why they do create and hoping about recovering up funds or making a solution to those people who lose up funds with the exchange.Tracing it up would really takes time and it do really needs extreme effort and investigation by authorities to trace up for those people who are responsible for this.
Its always been advised for countless times about storing up big amounts on exchangers shouldnt be done because there would always be a risk.
7602  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What you should do when you lose most of money? on: May 07, 2018, 10:54:54 PM
Potential loses is part of successful trading and if you professor is trading then you should be ready to lose money. Many people did not know that for you to succeed you must taking a very serious risk and risk is a two way things and that is you either succeed or you fall. You should have this in mind first before ought for investment and if you lose all it is not your life you lose.
Risk and facing up problems later on is inevitable specially on trading field since we do know we need to risk up for us to gain but some or most people do easily quit when they do experience loss on first time or 2nd time around without even realizing on the mistakes that they made why they lose up money. Experience would be a great teacher and would mold us to be a better investor or trader.If you are not serious on what you aim for then you would end up just like that.
7603  Economy / Gambling / Re: 36eyes.com, This is a new chance to gamble with BTC on: May 07, 2018, 10:37:01 PM
Hi friends,
I don't like speaking so much 😁🙄
so please check it and thanks for your opinions and feedback.
this game is completely fair
you can be sure
36eyes.com
see you guys
36 blocks with having 6 eyes to hit select 1 block you do have 1.8x potential winnings should be on 5.8% odds which is not really a good thing. I have tried to figure out on choosing blocks do differ their multipliers.Whats the basis?
7604  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: BTC + Altcoins VS National Cryptos on: May 07, 2018, 10:11:05 PM
Sticking with national cryptocoins would be just still the same on using your traditional local fiat.

The thing is, this isn't necessarily a negative to most people. Crypto people would hold their heads high on their high horse and give lectures on economic freedom, the evils of inflation, the beauty of decentralization, and whatnot, but the fact is, most other people don't care. Fiat is all they've known, and they'd probably be the first to tell you that it works for them. If digital fiat is able to copy most of Bitcoin's best features, they'd probably be more likely to choose that (for utility as a currency, at least) over Bitcoin.
No doubt on that part which even myself would consider that digital fiat over crypto if the time comes because we do know its being backed by the government which we do really feel security and think of that it wont easily inflates or do have a stable value and as part of human nature we would normally choose up things which wont really give any headaches to us.We do always like to play safe that's why we normally choose things when we saw theres stability.
7605  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Are centralized cryptocurrencies safe? on: May 04, 2018, 09:22:20 PM
A centralized cryptocurrency is usually safer for its users in terms of hacking, but how about possible Government restrictions?

Are they easier to ban?
When we do talk on the word "centralized" then it would really just like the same with local fiat where governments do really have the full control but still it doesnt mean that they are safer because government do controls it there are instances which hidden transactions cant really be traced up due that fiat money is on physical form where people can make transactions without being caught on governments side. When it comes to restrictions then expect there would be definitely laws towards this and as a user you cant help it but to obey on what they had set out.

Easier to ban? If government decide to completely stop, since they do have the control they can do such thing unlike decentralized things which they dont really have the capability why they do really hate out crypto in the very first place.
7606  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The "All In" Challenge! Don't believe me? Just Watch. on: May 04, 2018, 09:00:19 PM
Taking a break after the loss will start again next month  Grin
Putting all in wont end up well all the time, i have my experience, where i was addicted just to gamble in sports, even if i am travelling and not able to watch the match live and so is the case with going full in, now i try to play safe and even then i end up with unexpected loss whenever there is an upset every now and then, use twenty percent in risky games and eighty percent in sure shot wins.
FOMO or going all in wont really be always advisable in any field we do make engagement specially on gambling.I presume that most of gamblers on sports did already experience this thing where we do made mistakes on allocating funds depending on the situation.I had experienced on going all in on a particular game which i didnt able to see it up due to some work reasons. 100% all in then suddenly lost it all in one game that thing give me some stress for a week as far as i remember and after that i do learn up.
7607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I have received the token and I am confused to sell it? What do you think on: May 03, 2018, 11:32:15 PM
I ask for your advice in invested or held up?
What token are you talking about? It is very difficult to give an advice when you do not say what token you got, but as a rule if you have a token that you think it has the potential to go up in the long term then keep it, but if you think that the coin is going to be dumped immediately in the markets as soon as it hits the exchanges then it is a good idea to sell it as fast as you can.
Most of the time bounty hunters do dump their tokens which commonly happening even me do dump out tokens and when theres a potential i can decide to buyback later but if i dont see any reasonable thing then dont do such thing.Sometimes these kind of situations would really vary on how we do believe on a coin.If you are a researcher type of person then this things turns out to be easy.Just do the job and realize on what would be the possible decisions you would made basing on that one.
7608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 5 Mental Responses That Will Make You Lose Money on: May 03, 2018, 10:25:45 PM
1 – Aversion to Loss

2. False Expert Belief

3. What Goes Up Must Come Down

4. Raising Stakes

5. Bandwagon Effect


https://degenbet.com/5-mental-responses-will-make-lose-money/
in fact these five ways can lead us to victory. as long as we can manage when we start and when we stop.
the 4th point is very crucial. when we can determine the exact time, when doubling the bet. it will be a great victory

The number 1 point is more crucial to. Actually this always running in mind everytime I bet. I'm always out of focus everytime I'm thinking if my bet will gonna win since I don't want to lose. Raising stakes will take an easy call for me. Once I lose my bets then it's normal to raise your bet to regain your loss and at the same time , to have a profit.

I don't think the point number one belongs to gambling category. Gamblers are natural risk takers. If some one wants to stay out of risks, he/she would choose some other method to earn money  without coming to gambling market.

I think you are trying to say "fear of loosing" and not "aversion lo loss". Am I right here?
Correct. If we do try to read up here http://www.escapetheivorytower.com/2012/07/the-difference-between-fear-and-aversion/ we would able to see the difference but well it isnt a big issue but you are right that Gamblers are natural risk takers they do know on the very first place that tendency of losing money is really here.
7609  Economy / Exchanges / Re: HitBTC.com - The most advanced cryptocurrency exchange on: May 03, 2018, 09:44:01 PM
Hi, Hitbtc!
The exchange Hitbtc froze my 12 bitcoins, which at the current market rate is more then 105 thousand dollars. At first it was possible to enter the private account, but there was an error "Currency operations not avialable" for any operation with bitcoins.
I wrote to the support desk, ticket # 238606. It was the 17th of febrary. The support service asked me to send a photo with a passport settled near a monitor with this ticket viewed on screen. I did it, and after that the support service completely blocked my account, so now I can not enter it. They also asked for information on the two bitcoin transfers that I carried out to this exchange. I provided this information on 26th of February. From that time they asked me to provide them lots of different certificates, confirmations, copies of screen. I always send them it as soon as possible, but receive only new requests. It longs two and a half months already.
I read a lot of reviews about this exchange. It turns out that there are very many similar cases on this exchange, that people are freezing their money, can not return it.
It seems that this exchange has a problem. Maybe they were hacked and they compensate their losses at the expense of customers. It seems that the Hitbtc Exchange is a scam. I do not advise anyone to use it.

Nina Savina

12 BTC? Wtf? Why you put up such big amount into an exchange.Most likely on any exchange once big amounts would entered into a specific trading account they would normally ask for KYC verification and other documentation.Ive seen on what you have done here and you do comply on what they are asking and now they are neglecting and leaving the situation unresolved.What a unprofessional way on handling traders on such site.Ive been using this exchange and completely stop when issues becoming rampant.
7610  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ways to promote ICOs? on: May 03, 2018, 08:30:12 PM
What are the best ways to promote ICOs?
Best ways would be the traditional ways which you can normally seen around.Not to be the precise or effective ones but it does give results why a certain project do succeed. When we dissect bounty programs it do compose of number or campaign which is on Signature, Twitter campaign,Facebook,Medium,Telegram,Reddit,Blog & Media,Translations,Referral Program. Theres are the things we do saw on marketing side.
7611  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bitdouble.io |social gambling game |Prov fair | 0.005 mBit faucet | New PVP game on: May 03, 2018, 08:03:44 PM
I had tried out on sites flip duel games and you would really just need to choose up head or tails with sites account against other players.How can we do prove its provably fair at all on each selection we would made?

Edit: I have seen theres a hashcode on each bet you do made.
7612  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Careful with Coinmarketcap on: May 02, 2018, 10:36:04 PM
I still think CMC is the most reliable at the moment. Its updates are good and reliable most of the times. Except a few due to different bugs
It depends on your personal preferences. I have seen quite some people speak of CMC as being trash, and similarly quite some people who say they love it. I'm in the middle of both options. It's good to have it, but don't take it too seriously.

There are too many variables involved making sure that these sources can't and aren't able to fetch accurate information. As long as you keep that in mind, there is no problem with CMC and similar sites.

People tend to get upset about everything quickly, while it's completely unnecessary. These sites offer an optional free service, so there is nothing that people can actually demand for. If you don't like it, use an alternative.
Having the same way of treatment on where im really just on the neutral side which i dont trust those data completely but this site is one of the things i do make use on checking out average prices.You are right people way do took this thing seriously without minding that this is really just a free thing and should be thankful that we can able to see a compile list of tokens which are on the market and seeing into their current ranks and overall marketcap.Lots of alternatives though and its up to you which one will you use up.
7613  Other / Archival / Re: True Flip - Become a shareholder of world's largest blockchain lottery on: May 02, 2018, 09:23:41 PM
Very cool idea. I have never thought about lottery combined with blockchain lottery.
And, it surprised me that you also have Chinese translation, and that's good.
It's sad I could't join the ICO.
Hope you project go well.


You like the project? You should not be sad as you can easily buy True Flip tokens at Kucoin and Livecoin. Isn't more secured now that it is already listed in a top exchange like Kucoin?
I'm interested but will think about it carefully as I don't have much money.
While I will keep an eye on it.
I tried many times but luck never came to me. I know there are many winners with great value so I am also trying to try my luck a lot more times. This is a very big project in the lottery field related to bitcoin.
There no need for you to bumped up which a thread isnt being active in a month.

Lottery based games either being integrated with blockchain or even on traditional ones would really require such luck and we do know chances are really very minimal on hitting those numbers.Ive seen TFL tokens price did able to reach out almost $5 per token but now it do only have $1 value which isnt still bad for into its investors.
7614  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investor for high-speed lotto at raffle.io on: May 02, 2018, 08:24:48 PM
I am beta-testing now on https://www.raffle.io/

Woah! Its open already. I like the wood themed background and the animation but i do suffer on 10-15 seconds loading when i do try to try the site.Is it normal? I do have fast internet connection and a fast PC but still not a big issue at all.Ive seen it do needs 2 players for it to start which results can be seen on 15 seconds which is incredibly fast also a good feature when you integrate shapeshift just for you to be able to get some LTC to put up in the balance.
7615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Bought BTC at 20k on: May 02, 2018, 07:28:29 PM
I would spilt the other $50k investment and buy BTC. This bring my average buying price down.
Nice idea because you will able to minimize the percentage loss if you did able to buyback bitcoin in a lower price which will really make the gap lesser into your 20k price purchase.
This would only be good if you do only focus on bitcoin itself.

I would buy a lot of different coins. Back in February-March. For example, PRL, POWR, CAPP, BTM, ADA, IOTA, XEM. Right now, many alts have rised. I would wait for a small correction. 50K good amount for big start.
If you are a risk taker then probability of recovery on such floating negative would be patch up by means of diversifying then this would be a good choice where buying out cheap coins into those times where market is on deep reds.February to March is indeed the best time to buy cheap coins and if you did then you are already on gains now.
7616  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I became a victim of the fraud on: May 02, 2018, 06:12:41 PM
Hello everyone, I hope I will not be banned for this.

In general, I became a victim of fraud and this is due to bitcoin wallet. I'll tell you from the very beginning.

I got a job in one office, which deals with money loans. My task was to communicate with debtors and for every payment I had to receive 5%. One debtor asked his supposed friend to make a transfer to my account. My supervisor approved this and said that I hsve to take this amount and put on a bitcoin wallet. Today I got a call from the bank and said that the person who sent the money requires them back, but I already sent them. My supervisor does not answer me, the bank was told that they will contact me when the main office processes all the information that I gave them about the company and in general. In the bitcoin shop, I was told that money can not be returned if you have only a QR code of your wallet and an address. I do not have that amount to return that person (4,500 euros)

How can I return this money back? To hack this account or something like that. If someone does this, or knows someone who does this, I will be grateful for any information.
Dont worry you wont be banned. Actually you dont really have the problem at all yet your supervisor do told that you should put up those money in a bitcoin wallet. The thing questions on my mind why those funds would be needed to be transferred? This would be the main question into this problem.Your supervisor should really be sued out on such situation but the thing here is that proofs would be required since its verbal then it would be hard for them to believe on what you have said. Bitcoin transactions is anonymous and anytime we can really deny on making such transactions.
7617  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 NBA Season on: May 02, 2018, 04:46:50 PM
I don't think cavaliers can do a fair game after there game with the pacers team, it was something fishy, maybe if those mistakes were cleared cavaliers will be having there early vacation. If lebron is not in line with the team used to play inside the court then for sure cavaliers will just be easily to defeat.
It is a break of a game buddy, it usually happens in the game of basketball because the calls made by the referee can't be changed upon reviewing it on the slow motion. It just so happen that James is involved in that play. Grin
That's why its been so controversial because King James was involved on it, and its really  a crucial seconds of the game, but indeed that was already been answer several times here, with how James performed and survive the game 1 between the raptors I guess they've got a good momentum and they will take that now as a turning point to be on the top of this match, raptors needs to reassemble if they want to have a better chance defeating their nemesis.
Winning the game 1 would really be a good start since they do might able to get the pace and might able to sweep out Raptors. I was amazed on how raptors do make a lead with scoring but you will able to see the pressure on their players specially the main ones they would really need to make another gameplan which will potentially able to beat up cavs.
7618  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 NBA Season on: May 01, 2018, 10:35:20 PM
Respect to Oladipo, he has played very well in that series.
What I see on social media is many memes about Oladipo.

I think the cavaliers will not get pass the round 2, Toronto is a much improve team now and the have offense inside an out as well.
It's early to speculate until we see the series ends. I know Toronto is strong but let's don't forget on how many titles Lebron went through and Cavs as well.

I'm not a fan of him.
Lebron James is so experienced when it comes to do or die games and i think it really helps him in the series between the Indiana Pacers. Going into the series with Toronto Raptors, i think the latter should disposed the burnt James and the rest of the Cavaliers as early as possible because if it will go down the wire, it would favor the Cavs.
His experiences taught him a lot of lessons and he'll apply it for the upcoming game tomorrow with Toronto Raptors. The feeling is intense and many are already speculating that Raptors will get the first game confidence and will win the first match while the LJ fans won't let themselves lose.
Can't wait for the game tomorrow, will stop working just to watch the first game of Raptors vs Cavs.

Having that said Lebron would definitely ignite the spirit of Cavs, this series. Raptors are a team to beat to be honest but let's see how will Lebron keep the cavs on track. Derozan, Ibaka and Lowry would surely be a hindrance for them and for sure they won't let this opportunity passed by again. But, as I see it Raptors has an edge in this series due to their deep lineup and a much favorable chemistry. Who knows Lebron still might have a lot of surprises under his sleeves.
What we would expect from Lebron? There would be either a good play or just an another lame situation but in most cases we do see on how James do perform when hes already on the court.There would be always unexpected scenarios to happen but on this game this would really be a good one.

Cavs are tired, Raps should blow them out tonight.
On what thing the Cavs team is already tired? Im not being biased but this would be a good game.
Lebron has played a total of 288 minutes in that series. So he is gassed and if they are down in the first quarter they will sit him for the second and get wreaked.
He is shooting 54% while all the other players on his team are shooting 34% combined!
This means without him on the floor they will be losing those games. And unfortunately the Cavaliers know this with having him on the court as much as they can afford to get him out there.
No doubt on that Lebron is always been the play maker and which motivates the entire team on playing at their best but in the case if hes out of the court then its one of the factor which performance is mainly affected.I know and we know that they do already prepared on that scenario,they would need to sacrifice on some of their minutes just to make a rest and thats really a gamble.
7619  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 NBA Season on: May 01, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
Respect to Oladipo, he has played very well in that series.
What I see on social media is many memes about Oladipo.

I think the cavaliers will not get pass the round 2, Toronto is a much improve team now and the have offense inside an out as well.
It's early to speculate until we see the series ends. I know Toronto is strong but let's don't forget on how many titles Lebron went through and Cavs as well.

I'm not a fan of him.
Lebron James is so experienced when it comes to do or die games and i think it really helps him in the series between the Indiana Pacers. Going into the series with Toronto Raptors, i think the latter should disposed the burnt James and the rest of the Cavaliers as early as possible because if it will go down the wire, it would favor the Cavs.
His experiences taught him a lot of lessons and he'll apply it for the upcoming game tomorrow with Toronto Raptors. The feeling is intense and many are already speculating that Raptors will get the first game confidence and will win the first match while the LJ fans won't let themselves lose.
Can't wait for the game tomorrow, will stop working just to watch the first game of Raptors vs Cavs.

Having that said Lebron would definitely ignite the spirit of Cavs, this series. Raptors are a team to beat to be honest but let's see how will Lebron keep the cavs on track. Derozan, Ibaka and Lowry would surely be a hindrance for them and for sure they won't let this opportunity passed by again. But, as I see it Raptors has an edge in this series due to their deep lineup and a much favorable chemistry. Who knows Lebron still might have a lot of surprises under his sleeves.
What we would expect from Lebron? There would be either a good play or just an another lame situation but in most cases we do see on how James do perform when hes already on the court.There would be always unexpected scenarios to happen but on this game this would really be a good one.

Cavs are tired, Raps should blow them out tonight.
On what thing the Cavs team is already tired? Im not being biased but this would be a good game.
7620  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Your Money Safer In Crypto than at the Bank? on: May 01, 2018, 09:41:44 PM
This question is difficult to answer. If you put your money in the bank... it is not a bad decision, but remember who is printing banknotes and creating money from nothing (backed by air probably?) and they do not care of their customers if they are in serious problems like they were 10 years ago. In crypto, you are your own bank and you are fully responsible for every step you take. At the moment, I  would not consider it as a safer way to keep your financial resources. It does not mean that you are not able to make something out of it, but it depends on your research and several other factors. In my opinion, after some time when crypto will be more respected and less volatile, it will be widely used and its spread might surprise us, who knows?  Smiley
Well said. I completely agree with you here. Cryptocurrencies have a long way to go in order to be recognized as stable forms of payment due to the extreme volatility involved with this market. FIAT will not be replaced by cryptocurrencies according to me. Instead, crypto will stand next to FIAT currencies as an alternate payment method. In this scenario, FIAT is still the safer route as of today, but cryptocurrencies will most likely stabilize in one way or another in the future. Crypto is already being used on a regular basis these days.
Youre absolutely right this is indeed a difficult question because people do believe hardly on crypto and most people do still hardly believe on traditional fiats due to its being backed by the government or simply do have the support.We do see cryptos potential but we cant deny we do still need fiat among all because acceptance of cryptocurrencies would really be just good to be an alternative not to be the main thing which would patch up fiat itself which is really impossible.
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