the good thing with the inside job is that there are not many "insiders" and i think they already know the truth ( the police ) they established connection with kraken in order to give back the missing coins because the have found them? who knows... in 2 days we will know more  happy new year !!! |
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ok so what i can understand is that the 650.000 missing BTC where nothing more than numbers in the sql right?
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MtGox.com and Butterflylabs.com are two cases we have to leave behind in the bitcoin community but must take back our BTC in order to do that and of course this goes more on case 1.....
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they took our bitcoins mine for themselves and after the units were useless they send to us....
they have to shut down and every person that is involved there has to be monitored if he tries to open a new firm etc.....
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In my case i had 2 orders. I paid 120 BTC and 109.
I canceled my order and gave me back 27 btc( i ask to get my full refund because i paid with btc and told me in Skype that's not going to happen.... when i informed him that terms and conditions are not refering to that told me i'm sorry we are going to write it....) and the other arrived 1 year later and as you can understand was useless....
what do you think i should do???
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Here are the news i received by emailhttp://www.spencerfane.com//SnapshotFiles/fe6ec39c-1858-4244-8390-6b06950c2839/Subscriber.snapshot?clid=dd7f0e88-f2b4-4c82-91fd-07403facf79b&cid=e610c6a3-35d6-4e50-85e1-ffffd2d55145&ce=N%2f5mUKyduycDBpX19gxMSwdgnpW4zqhrThank you for your inquiry regarding BF Labs, Inc. d/b/a Butterfly Labs (“Butterfly Labs”). You have previously contacted this receivership and the purpose of this email is to provide you an update with respect to the same. A preliminary injunction hearing was held on November 24-25, 2014. On December 12, 2014, the Court entered an order denying the FTC’s motion for preliminary injunction, asset freeze, appointment of receiver, and other equitable relief. On December 23, 2014, the Court entered its order related to procedures for the wind down of the temporary receivership (“Wind Down Procedures Order”). Pursuant to the Wind Down Procedures Order, Butterfly Labs’ management has full control and authority over its business operations. All inquiries related to operations, products, refunds, and shipping, should be directed to Butterfly Labs. For further information, you may visit the Butterfly Lab’s website at www.butterflylabs.com or email Office@butterflylabs.com. ------------ What will happen now?
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my wishes to the team and everybody for a happy new year!
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except this "someone" is not a man ... can you think of that???
I have no idea of what you mean, but I still would like to know why Autumn Radtke died. Very good point also for Autumn Radtke..... i think we all want to know... I'm speaking for something higher than a single mafia guy... maybe an organization? maybe a state? who knows... |
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By the way, another theory I have for what happened at MtGOX is:
In Aug/2013 (say) some big investor sought MtGOX's management and proposed to buy all the coins that they would sell at 200 $/BTC. The price at the time was 110 $/BTC, so the management gave in and sold 800'000 BTC for 160 M$. Of course they had no right to do that, since the coins were not theirs but were only held on behalf of the clients; but they thought that, when a client wanted to withdraw, they could buy the BTC from the market for ~110 $/BTC, and still make the 90 $/BTC profit.
But then the Nov/2013 rally happened, and, before the management could react, the price surged and more or less stabilized at ~800 $/BTC, four times their sale price. Then they could only buy back 1/4 of the coins that they had sold, namely 200'000 BTC; but still owed 800'000 BTC to their clients.
If this is what happened, then perhaps that investor can be identified, and forced to return the coins or their equivalent in dollars at a suitably high price (since he was knowingly buying stolen property). However, that investor could be someone outside the reach of the law, such as an anonymous gangster from Yakuza or the Chinese mafia; or someone with enough power to block the investigation...
very very very good theory and very possible one.. Even if someone with enough power the police investigation must clear the cloud above Japan.... except this "someone" is not a man ... can you think of that??? |
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. For that matter, who knows if it's not happening as we speak? What's the main reason that the price is being kept at these levels when last year with half of the good news we'd go over $2000 by now...
i agree with you and by the news of Microsoft, or Paypal etc we should be at least double but yes there is a reason of keep increasing the acceptance and the transaction number and still low.... At http://www.mtgoxinvestigation.comthey write on the home page: " What we suspect According to data received at CCI, there is a reasonable doubt that, during Jan 25th to Feb 25th, money deposited by clients of Mt. Gox, was reported as transferred to Mt. Gox’s clients’ account, while in fact was routed elsewhere." And Kobayiashi did not comment anything on the meeting... |
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so what are your opinion here? it's a good time to buy?
I think this is perfect time to invest in bitcoin. I mean, all bigger companies have started accepting bitcoin, price is stable as much is it possible...I think from now it can only go up. But that is just a my opinion. i have same opinion like you... does anybody knows when Paypal will start accepting bitcoins? is in beta stage or something as we speak? |
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We have great minds in our world people, and don't have to be involved with bitcoin ( if you are a programmer you need maximum one month to understand everything that is needed for the case and the bitcoin )in order to help with MtGox case, logs and back up must have already spoken to who is reading them, the same with missing $26 million in bank deposits.Can you think it for a moment??? This is crazy and of course more crazy than the missing BTC.
One year later all the fiat must have already found or found where they send it or who has it... the same for the BTC missed..
It's clear to me at least that, all this year they do either the A plan or the B plan
A) trying to clear everything out and give back the BTC and fiat missing.
In that case BTC in my opinion will go TO DA MOON beyond imagination... ( just my feeling, because guys all the customers of MtGox are among the big players on the game and moved the market up to the day MtGox shut down....if we do get back our fiat and BTC we know how to trade again...of course there are opinions of fake accounts etc i'm talking about real traders - customers)
B) trying to cover everything and give back some donats to us
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so what are your opinion here? it's a good time to buy?
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this is the fact...1 year passed and we still don't have a clue where are our bitcoins...
too many people have been there to help and of course not for free...
i'm not in position to say if they want to cover up something or clear everything... time will tell
one is the fact. we are talking about huge huge fraud for all of us ( customers of gox and the community) and police should clear this out immediately.
my personal opinion is they are trying to either make it forget or clear the case..
what i don't believe is we are going to see our bitcoins again or the fiat after so many time without results....
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Your options: You can join the class action lawsuit at Wood Law Firm - Info here. You can still submit a complaint about BFL to the FTC, using this form. The FTC lawsuit is still ongoing, and any additional complaints they receive will strengthen their case. You can get your own lawyer, as suggested above, but that would probably not be cost-effective. In any case, you can make sure that everyone on the Internet knows what kind of company BFL is. Thanks for the info i just send the complaint! |
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thank you for your reply i wasn't awere of that and in fact i think it's good news.
but do you know what happens with all the other that we got ripped off and that is proven.
I received my 1 of two orders 1 year later
and i received refund on the other in usd and not in BTC even though such an information was not written.
I had a skype contac't with Dave and he told back then "i'm not going to refund you in BTC for no reason."
And when i told him you advertised something you can't provide and i paid you in btc so it's your problem you can't deliver not mine
he told me ok we didn't write this on the site but we will write it and we are not going to refund you in btc i felt been ripped off and that is proven not only for me...
so what will happen with all of us we got ripped of by them??
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2015 will be the "Bitcoin Year" TO DA MOON |
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