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7901  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. on: July 12, 2013, 05:19:19 PM
Another guy, named Larry (an Afro-American), just started coming around to speaking again since being dramatized at a younger age

Dramatized?  TV play, movie, or stage show?

I think you meant traumatized.   Tongue

Josh was right! I'm losing it.

<In the voice of Josh>

The second time Bruno "The Drama Queen" has spoken a truism.
7902  Economy / Auctions / Re: Avalon resell and hosting plan on: July 12, 2013, 04:56:53 PM
taler has transferred his units to Phinnaeus Gage's charity project. taler does not own the units any more and Phinnaeus Gage will hold the units for his charity projects.

Does anybody know the actual status of this hosting plan run by HorseRider? I've received an email of which I like to respond to.

Thanks in advance.
7903  Other / Off-topic / Re: Race War about to start... on: July 12, 2013, 06:42:19 AM
Meanwhile, in LA.

Rufus: I's hunted down some grub for...
Damien: Shhhh! It's about to happen.
TV: We the jury find the defendant not...
Rufus: Them bastards! Let's burn down our city again.
Damien: Let's do this!
Rufus: Is the phone charged so we can shoot videos?
Damien: Damn straight! Where to first?
Rufus: The shoe store.
Damien: Word!
7904  Other / Off-topic / Re: Your oldest/worst password? on: July 12, 2013, 06:34:50 AM
poker123, using it on every site requiring a password until I got wise and starting using 1pok2er3 tempting them bastards to crack that.

And you guys thought I was an idiot! Guess I fooled you all.
7905  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. on: July 12, 2013, 06:25:29 AM
But that's the definition of a scam.  It isn't just: "take a bunch of money and disappear with it all."  

Lots of cons and frauds run with some getting return - maybe big return.  That's how they stay in business.  

It's called partial reinforcement scheduling.  If you want to keep 50 sheep at the fence, feed two some grain, then stay in sight of all of them, and they'll all stay, hoping they get theirs.

What you are describing is a Ponzi.
A scam is, most often, where everyone gets fucked.

BFL is certainly a Ponzi, and i suspect before too long they will pack up shop and move to Costa Rica, or the FTC will kick down the door and seize everything.

Either way, i feel like i got bent over the table.

If you have ordered from BFL and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).
First ask BFL for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.
If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with BFL to get your refund.

More people need to read this!

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If you have ordered from BFL and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).

First ask BFL for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.

If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with BFL to get your refund.
7906  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. on: July 12, 2013, 06:21:49 AM
Now what, playing the sentimental game? Want a tap on the back, good boy? wtf Larry the "afro-american"? Is that some special qualification?

I was only pointing out that Larry is an Afro-American. At the age of five he was severely beaten by his step-dad of which never served a single day behind bars for his actions.

In response to the rest of your post, the intent of my post was NOT to seek any sentimental recognition.

So, no, it's not some special qualification.

Care to play again?
7907  Other / Off-topic / Re: What things scares the shit out of you at night/when itīs dark? on: July 11, 2013, 09:44:44 PM
Nothing scares me at night. Unless I saw a shadow. Then that would freak me out. Unless it's a shadow of a goat, then I'd be fine. Unless it's a dead goat, then...
7908  Other / Off-topic / Re: Who DeathAndTaxes is? on: July 11, 2013, 09:42:58 PM

U have placed two spaces between sentences! Just like Satoshi!  Wink

EDIT: The text I made bold was a hint! U r very smart, I suspect u just make appearance that u r not so smart...

Maybe D&T is just part of the older generation. The 2 space after sentences was something they did in the early days of typing, I think. I had a teacher in middle school who told us to do that in reports.

I think you are right.  It's a legacy of learning to type at a certain time and place.  I distinctly remember my typing teacher (teaching us to use an IBM Selectric typewriter) telling us to put two spaces between sentences.  This probably dates Satoshi (and the rest of us) as having learned to type with an older typewriter standard, OR from someone who taught an older typewriter standard.   More conclusively though it places Satoshi as having learned in an English speaking country.  Apparently no non-English speaking countries do this double space thing, according to: http://www.ditchwalk.com/2011/01/19/two-spaces-after-a-period/ .  But no one suspected Satoshi as actually being Japanese anyway.

Hence Ashish Gulhati being my SN of choice. Is D&T n Oz?
7909  Other / Off-topic / Re: 1 BTC Contest :) easy 1-2 minutes UPDATED on: July 11, 2013, 09:39:53 PM
Warning. Likely scam. OP has negative trust on seals and bcchanger. Posting history shows typical scammer behaviour.

7910  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. on: July 11, 2013, 05:59:06 PM
Might be a fine job for you, you don't seem to have anything imported at hand lately to do with your life besides hanging around here in the BFL topics?

Except jacking off to MFC girls, barn wood, and writing a book (non-fiction not necessarily Bitcoin related).

And making pies.

And spending a hour each morning with autistic adults. Ironically (factually), I pitch a Nerf-like baseball to a guy name Joss. Another guy, named Larry (an Afro-American), just started coming around to speaking again since being dramatized at a younger age thanks, in part, to my efforts. I also taught him to shake hands.

As a whole, and to be fair, SLok, your assessment is somewhat accurate.
7911  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. on: July 11, 2013, 05:26:51 PM
RE: "That said, I don't believe they are a scam, I believe they will eventually ship their asics, just not to everyone, and a lot of people will be left behind and probably never recover their investment."

But that's the definition of a scam.  It isn't just: "take a bunch of money and disappear with it all."  Lots of cons and frauds run with some getting return - maybe big return.  That's how they stay in business.  

It's called partial reinforcement scheduling.  If you want to keep 50 sheep at the fence, feed two some grain, then stay in sight of all of them, and they'll all stay, hoping they get theirs.

Somebody may need to redo this chart reflecting as it applies to BFL.

7912  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: BFL (BF Labs Inc; Butterfly Labs) officially refusing to refund their customers. on: July 11, 2013, 05:20:31 PM
Please don't report BFL to the FTC, such distractions might push out my shipping date even further out.  Grin Grin Grin
∞ + x = ∞


Lol, is that infinity, or Butterfly? Grin
Lol it was meant to be "infinity", I didn't realise their thread resembled an infinity symbol.
Quite ironic, isn't it.


Dude, their actual logo is an infinity sign, that's what's hilarious!!

I'm surprised no one has picked up on this before!!
Actually, it's a Mobius strip, isn't it?  I have heard that (maybe a myth) the infinity symbol derives from the Mobius strip.

Actually it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_attractor

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The Lorenz system is a system of ordinary differential equations (the Lorenz equations) first studied by Edward Lorenz. It is notable for having chaotic solutions for certain parameter values and initial conditions. In particular, the Lorenz attractor is a set of chaotic solutions of the Lorenz system which, when plotted, resemble a butterfly or figure eight.



Of which BFL is on record in stating that that's not where their logo was derived.
7913  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 05:02:30 PM
Yesterday, I must have put the following in a wrong thread. It was meant to be in this one. It was a self-moderated thread, thus being deleted. I have no idea which thread I mistakenly put it in. I offer up an apology for doing such. It truly was penned solely for this thread.
_____________________________________________________________________

The day Sonny got served: http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/98501-www-goliathsports-com-anybody-knows.html#post823964

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WorldWager com Tech,

TWICE in this thread you refer to Goliath as "theives" and "scammers".

And you might be right.

But what about your own shop? When I click on
www.olympicsports book.com, wouldn't I think I am going to Olympic?

When I click on
www.millenniumsportsbook.com, wouldn't I think I am going to Millennium?

You, sir are a thief.

You are stealing Olympic's and Millennium's customers, by tricking them into going into your book, when they think they are going to Oly or Millennium........

Clean up your own house first, they whine about "scammer" Goliath.

Goliath = GoliathSports = Just another company Sonny owns.

See how he plays the game?
7914  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 08:32:28 AM
http://www.casinozone.com/directory/software/details.asp?iid=83

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SPORTSBOOK SOLUTIONS, INC.
SPORTSBOOK SOLUTIONS is a privately held company founded in 1998 to develop a market leading software system for the next generation of Internet sportsbook operators. Our talented team of programmers came from both the banking and sportsbook world. Their experience in building enterprise level banking systems is second to none.

SPORTSBOOK SOLUTIONS, INC. DETAILS
Address
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Website
www.sportsbooksolutions.com 

Email
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Phone
+506 231-0818
7915  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 07:55:24 AM
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xcdra7Q3d9sJ:www.sportsbookreview.com/worldwager/news/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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01/20/2005   06:40 PM CST   
WorldWager downgraded from F to F-
05/13/2004   11:48 AM CST   
WorldWager WorldWager.Com lowered from F+ to F
09/19/2003   12:00 AM CST   
WorldWager - Downgraded from the Black List to the RUN! List - SBR rating lowered from F+ to F-
08/30/2002   09:47 AM CST   
WorldWager - Downgraded to the Black List - We have received and verified multiple slow pay complaints

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Sportsbook news results for the search term: worldwager
Scam sportsbook WorldWager (SBR rating F-) off-line for good?30.07.2007
Scam sportsbook WorldWager (SBR rating F-) off-line for good?
The sportsbook's website wordwager.com was parked last week. SBR has received many complaints of fraudulent activity from World Wager players over the past four years including deleted winning bets, creating new rules to void winnings, and simply refusing to pay part or all of player withdrawals. WorldWager solidified its scam status in 2004 when SBR questioned the book about deleting months of betting history and lowering account balances. WorldWager's owner responded:
 

"If the lines posted by worldwager.com are off by more than 1.5 points on any point spread sport or posted incorrectly (reversed), management is entitled to delete any wagers placed on the wrong lines. In any money line sport, if the lines are off by more than 20 cents, management is entitled to delete any wagers placed on the wrong lines."
7916  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 07:37:26 AM
07-26-2003, 12:49 PM
A sample of their OWN forums - they have people waiting for dime payouts SINCE March (scary shit here)


More shit BFLers have to look forward to when they go bye-bye.

By the way, I'm still waiting for Sonny's lawyer to sue me. It's an open invite. Why? I want them (BLF, et al.) to sue me.

Sonny Vleisides is nothing but a crock and will probably run away with millions of dollars worth of bitcoins once his probation is up.
7917  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am fucking panicking on: July 11, 2013, 06:51:54 AM
Just wait a bit.

I'm buying more, just waiting to see how many bears get in on the pile.



Here I go, fixin' shit again!

7918  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 05:46:33 AM
http://ca.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20100915_0004129.CCA.htm/qx

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The defendant shall not transfer, sell, give away, or otherwise convey any asset with a fair market value in excess of $500 without approval of the Probation Officer until all financial obligations imposed by the Court have been satisfied in full.

Seeing that Sonny Vleisides is a main principal at BF Labs Ins., did he get approval to transfer 1000 BTC to be donated to charity?

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The defendant shall maintain one personal checking account. All of defendant's income, "monetary gains," or other pecuniary proceeds shall be deposited into this account, which shall be used for payment of all personal expenses. Records of all other bank accounts, including any business accounts, shall be disclosed to the Probation Officer upon request.

Any probation officer worth their salt should be able to recognize alarm bells if too much money, which includes bitcoins, finds its way to his personal bank account from BFL.

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14. as directed by the probation officer, the defendant shall notify third parties of risks that may be occasioned by the defendant's criminal record or personal history or characteristics, and shall permit the probation officer to make such notifications and to conform the defendant's compliance with such notification requirement;

This one is my favorite if I read it correctly.

Does this mean that Sonny Vleisides should have declared his past from the onset of introducing BFL to this community without us having to coerce it from him? This puts the Sonny K. issue into a whole new perspective.

Now, for the real reason why I hunted down this link.

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United States v. Vleisides

United States District Court Central District of California

September 15, 2010

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
SONNY VLEISIDES SOCIAL SECURITY NO. 6 5 7 4 (LAST 4 DIGITS)

Sonny Vleisides was released on September 15, 2010, as shown above (not really shown, but follow the link to see that the statement is true).

Let's see what happened three days later, shall we?

http://www.bangthebook.com/picks/goliathsports/?h=1

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Username:goliathsports       Joined:08/18/2010

Bullishbet=GoliathSports=WorldWager

In the thread above, Sonny a.k.a. Glock, et al., claims that GS stole WW's template and that they are not the same entities. Shortly thereafter, WW shut down.

My contention is that Sonny, fresh outta prison, couldn't reopen WorldWager because his name was directly attached to it, but that's not the case with GoliathSports.

I'm sure any probation officer worth their salt should look into this. Are you reading this Sonny's probation officer? Thought so.

Quick aside: Sonny and I have the same exact last four digits, in exact order, in both our SSNs.
7919  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 04:58:21 AM
http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/94155-good-software.html#post767383

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I hate to sound like a shill, really, it's not my intention, but I do feel very strongly about this topic, so I will throw in my 2 cents.

When I evaluated all of the online books on the market (over 2 years ago), I found most of them to be utter crap when it came to user interface.
They were non-intuitive, and very confusing if you weren't a hard core player, and even if you knew what you were doing.

When I was approached to become the lead architect for a new sportsbook product I opted to start from scratch and leave behind what everyone else had done. The product that emerged (v1.0) was so simple that anyone from a 12 year old child to a 65 year old woman could place a bet in seconds without knowing anything about sports gaming. (and yes, our user interface panel groups included 12-65 year olds)
However, we still wanted to appeal to the hard core players and allow the flexibility and advanced bet types that they require. I think that my team has been the first to do both.

You can see what I'm talking about with the current version (v1.2) that is available now at www.WorldWager.com however, we are staging the release of version 2.0 in a few weeks. (Let us know if you want in on the beta test)
 I'll let you all in on a big secret: WorldWager 2.0 kicks the asses of any online book on the market, HANDS DOWN! It has every bet type imaginable, including some cool new bet types that you've never heard of because we invented them.
In addition to that, we also have full matchup, team, and individual player stats analysis built into the interface to help in your decision making. Want to know how many times the Steelers beat the spread, on the road, while it was snowing? You can query things just like that in unlimited combinations to your heart's content.
You can watch play-by-play action on your current bets live. You can interact with other players with LiveChat, or in the forums. You can compete for cash, prizes, and reputation in pick challenges and cumulative rankings.
Have you ever made a bet, then wished you didn't once the game started? Well, you can put your bets up for sale in our open market and someone can take it off your hands. Or, buy a bet from some unconfident player that doesn't know their team will come on strong in the last quarter.

These are just some of the groundbreaking and industry shaping (I hope) things you will find at WorldWager.com. BTW, you don't need an account to start configuring your wagers, but we are currently running new customer promotions (free money, no deposit).
Please don't hesitate to contact me directly if you have any suggestions for our product, or for the new customer promo links.

-Sebastian Glock   

P.S. Any books that want to license our product to offer their own customers, please visit: www.SportsbookSolutions.com
I guarantee it won't blow up when you grade games with 5+ million customers, like your current software does.

I've seen Sonny Vleisides use that Glock (only Glock) sig elsewhere, but at the moment it eludes me. I want to say it was on one of his webspawner pages depicting a Butterfly Labs ad.
7920  Other / Off-topic / Re: Sonny Vleisides Manipulating his Webspawner Site for Nefarious Purposes on: July 11, 2013, 04:24:45 AM
http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?p=4924

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Re: World Wager, STAY AWAY
Not shocking to see their site down again, I couldn't get the link to work..

These worldwager guys are a bunch of wannabe Ponzis. You could check out their "investor relations charts" sometime on their site. Nothing but a bright sunny day ahead for anyone dumb enough to send them money (at any level).
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I think I'll just do that: http://web.archive.org/web/20020527031137/http://wwweb4.worldwager.com/

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