Did you do such recently or earlier this year? Fundacja Bullerbyn · 1,702 like this
May 8 at 4:52pm ·
Jesteśmy ogromnie podekscytowani faktem, że od niedawna fundacja Bullerbyn przyjmuje również darowizny w wirtualnej walucie Bitcoin. Nasz adres dla darowizn to: 19ZYkup2xSwqiJFbc9YBRXtFYvVVHhXDA1 |
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That is a killer advert! Great job, Adam. |
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This should belong to the meta sub, I think. And this is not the only fishy add in rotation now, theymos also insisted on keeping an obvious scammer one, after cleaning the malicious code off. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274749.msg2943939#msg2943939EDIT : I actually just got it after replying to this thread   Do not click on that link, even if it's probably safe now.  TOO LATE! My new laptop's antivirus is giving me warnings out the ass and the CPU/fan/whatever the fuck it is running full blast. Thanks, theymos. |
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Thanks for your reply PG. If you have the best interests of BFL customers at heart, e.g. if you felt customers were actually at risk from not having an FCC approved device in their living rooms, then I applaud you. If you continue to highlight the significant risks of placing a pre-order with BFL (which you do very voraciously, I have to admit!) then I also salute you.
However, if you're just upset because Josh lied to you some time in the past, or called you a name, and you end up costing people on this forum $$$ because BFL have to delay their shipments dealing with the results of your missives, or end up having to charge more for their devices, then I do find that hard to support.
Will
I honestly do have the best interests of fellow bitcoiners at heart, whether they are BFL customers or not. Them owning a BFL device that is not FCC certified is a mute issue as far as I'm concern. Highlighting the risk of pre-ordering from BFL is a given, given sales are based on lies. Josh and I both have thick skins when it comes to each of us calling each other names and accusing each other of things that are obvious not true, e.g. me stealing barn wood at night or ripping off Bitcoin 100. We may both resort to silly tactics while presenting our overall agenda: Him, advancing sales for BFL, and me making sure as many people as possible do their due diligence, hence joining the choir on pointing out the lies and misinformation. There are bitcoiners a helluva lot smarter than I that have shown time and time again that what BFL has presented in the past, and now with their new line, that they are not passing the smell test. I honestly believe that if I never stated a negative word about BFL, bitcoiners would still be incurring the same increased cost you've so kindly pointed out. Note the tone in our conversation, to date. Pretty civil, eh? Josh was given every opportunity to conduct himself in a civil manner. He could have easily addressed the FCC concern as a mistake on his part, or with a lie, for how would we truly not know the truth. That issue would have died by December of last year. But, by it being ignored, he no longer has that option, short of admitting that he fucked up. We all fuck up. You, I, Josh, Sonny, etc. Speaking of Sonny, I have no problem with his past, but his past has turned into a reflection of how BFL is currently operating. Big difference. The parallels are too overwhelming to ignore. |
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I just bumped my "Do you trust BFL" POLL. Thanks, OP!
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Aside from any other flags being thrown, beware any company or individual who's best list of reasons for being better than the competition is to merely insult the competition.
Fuck! BFL went as far as stating that the competition's design is too balky.  |
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Tollin', Tollin', Tollin' lyrics come to mind: I'm tyin' to understand 'em While the trolls try to brand 'em Hopin' to be living high and wide. But while others are calculatin' BFL's got me waitin', Waitin' at the end of the line. |
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A Bitcoiner
Mr. Gage, With respect, I'm trying to work out your aims of continuing to post stuff about BFL here - you've made it quite clear that you don't approve of their business practices and that you think other people should not order from them, or trust them any more, but it's your end-game that confuses me. Are you trying to put BFL out of business, or just dissuade people from placing any further order or trust with BFL, or is it just a personal vendetta you have against BFL because of some perceived or real slight from the past? If the first, are you aware that if you succeed in your task, then there will be a lot of people on this forum who are waiting on good to be delivered that will be put out of pocket. BFL are delivering the equipment ordered, albeit at a very slow pace, and I don't think you disagree with this fact. If by some miracle you manage to cause BFL inconvenience e.g. having to respond to spurious FTC requests, or reply to letters from their landlord - it's just going to cost BFL money which they will have to pass onto their customers - members of this forum. How do you justify this? If it's the persuasion issue, then I think you have already succeeded, and to be honest, starting any campaign against their building management, or raising issues with the FTC, or any other active protests don't really help that cause. If it's the latter, then I suppose there's not much I can do since it seems it's a personal issue that I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but do you really have to be so passionate about it? Cheers, Will Will You have respectfully asked questions of me of which I will do my best to address. My stance again BFL is mostly centered around the lies and misinformation put forward by their camp, namely Josh Zerlan. Last November, Josh stated the following: When is the Jalapeno getting FCC approval?
Maybe two weeks? We are waiting for the test lab to issue the test report. With the bump in power requirements on the MR and the new screen, we had to make changes, although the new screen is already certified. We are doing all the devices at once, since they all share the same board. 3 months prior, Josh penned the following with his BFL_Josh account: I will still be posting as Inaba for communications that don't involve BFL.
As for the GLBSE assets, they should not be affected.
See the lie? As far as for the FCC statement goes, Josh, nor anybody else from Camp BLF, has responded to requests about how the certification process is going after it was proven that they lied about having some of them already certified, yet as of Friday (two days ago) there is nothing about BF Labs Inc., et al., mention on the official FCC site. If I were to submit a device Monday, by Wednesday it would show up on that site, but 10 months later, nothing about Butterfly Labs, et al. To be clear, I can give a rat's ass about the FCC, UL listed, et al., requirements, but I do care about people being lied to by an entity to better their financial position off the backs of those who worked hard for the money that they have given BFL, only to have them referred to as Monumental Assholes. I hope the above sheds a little light as to where I'm coming from, Will. You seem like an alright guy, and wouldn't mind speaking with you on the phone if you so desire. Simply PM me if you wish. Feel free to ask me any more questions via a post or PM, but please PM me if a post goes unanswered for too long, for I may have missed it oppose to ignoring it. Later, bud. Bruno Kucinskas |
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this means only one thing, that everyone at BFL is working his own way and living in his own world, no team work no organization no communication.... if they are not organized about the simplest things, how do you expect that they will fulfill a production plan hahahahahaahah
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A L Huber
10770 El Monte St
Overland Park, Kansas 66211
Sirs,
It's come to our attention that a tenant of yours, Butterfly Labs, occupying the same building as your address is refusing to refund millions of dollars paid them for products ordered since during the middle of 2012, forward.
Would you be so kind as to let us know if BF Labs Inc.'s lease is about to expire or is their lease a multi-year contract?
With tens of millions of dollars at stake and Sonny Vleisides, a convicted felon, at the helm, their silence could only mean one thing: The company is about to fold after Sonny's probation expires on September 15, 2013, for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elderly with his 15 year running lottery scam.
It has even come to our attention that people who have worked with Sonny Vleisides in the past scamming millions, are now part of the BFL organization with offices at the building that you lease to them.
Regards,
A Bitcoiner
PS: As many times as people have accused BFL of the above, they have never once made a public statement refuting any of the claims. But, their COO, Josh Zerlan, has reverted to calling all bitcoiners, Monumental Assholes.
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I have no idea who this finn guy was, but Sonny Vleisides had his hand in the creation of YodelBank. Millions more people were scammed for. |
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thought I'd share Let me quote from the Monarch Website: "Institutional Pricing: If you would like to purchase 50 or more cards, please contact Dave McClain for institutional pricing: 913-710-4865" Well, Instead of calling Dave, I sent him a Email. ME Dear Dave,
I would love to see your quote for 77 units of the monarch BPU 600 c
Thanks in advance Daves reply: Christian,
There are no special pricing or quantity discounts. The price on the website is the same for 1 or 77.
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With appreciation,
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
800-809-6463 (MINE) Ext. 101 my reply: What the fuck, seriously?
Let me quote the butterflylabs website:
"Institutional Pricing: If you would like to purchase 50 or more cards, please contact Dave McClain for institutional pricing: 913-710-4865"
and finally dave: My sincerest apologies. What time can we talk this week?
How stupid is that company? hilarious! Red Flag #X: The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. |
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adding "maybe" as an option would be fair...
Apologies for not adding it, though I can do it now, but won't. The time for fence setting is over. |
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Oh man, NO, not fraud and theft!!! I was hoping it was like a triple homicide or something. You know, a crime of passion - a one time deal. Usually guys who commit fraud don't stop. Man....add another red flag. Or maybe he learned his lesson..... He did learn his lesson. He won't get caught the same way he did before! Thanks to his discovery of Bitcoin upon being released from jail. And to think about all the time he wasted in that Italian cell wondering how he could revive the DMT after his release. |
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It is incredible that during all this backlog issues they still had time to work on 600GH 28nm miner.
They have nothing being worked on. Anyone can post they are WORKING on something doesn't mean they are and given the "design" as you go with their ASICs so far what makes anyone think they actually have anything? Don't believe it. Since I have so much barn wood in stock, I have decided to build furniture with in. I've been developing the idea for the past 6 months, and starting acting upon the idea a couple months ago. The following image is my latest creation.  |
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It is incredible that during all this backlog issues they still had time to work on 600GH 28nm miner.
In defense of BFL, Nasser was in charge of this, taking time out from developing PSBs that play elevator music, his ONLY claim-to-fame. |
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I would love for this new card to be real, but I have a hard time believing this is achievable. I hope someone can prove me wrong. Let's look at this from a competition perspective:
Avalon: 110nm, 67 GH/s, 600+ watts
BFL: 65nm, 60 GH/s, 300+ watts
KNC Miner: 28nm, 400+ GH/s, ~1,000 watts (Yet to be seen)
BFL Monarch: 28nm, 600 GH/s, 350 watts
So the die size cutting nearly in half from the Avalon's 110nm to the BFL's 65nm cut the power in half for roughly the same performance (60-67 GH/s). Avalon is 600+ watts, BFL single is 300+ watts. Makes sense.
One would assume that cutting the die size in half again to 28nm from 65nm would allow the power to be cut in half again for the same 60 GH/s performance. Let's assume it consumes 150 watts as a result (half that of a Single). Seems reasonable.
But now let's assume instead of 60GH/s, the performance is going to be 600 GH/s. If we are going to increase the hash rate by 10x, then the power requirement will also likely increase by 10x. That means the power should be roughly 1,500 watts (about the maximum you can safely draw from a single residential power circuit in the US).
If memory serves me correctly, KNC miner estimated 1,000 watts for their rig. If the BFL Monarch is going to perform 50% greater and the same die size, then power draw naturally would also seem to be 50% greater. So, that seems consistent with my 1,500 watt figure above.
It would be great to get some clarification from BFL on this before placing orders.
Thoughts anyone?
BFL could be fudging their numbers (again) to get orders? Nah, not possible. Spot on with the fudge comment!  |
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1) pre orders on an unproven product that hasn't even had a prototype
2) pre orders with a company who hasn't even shipped all their previous pre order from their last disaster, which came after their first disaster (FPGAs were late)
3) non refundable pre orders with a company facing legal action
4) pre orders on a flashy new product from a company who $%^&ed up the actual imaginary spec on their previous product which ended up needing WAY more power per chip and each chip delivered WAY less hash per chip due to the heat.
5) Result of 4) is money being claimed back, and far higher expenses and having to pay employees for a loooong time without actually really finishing the sales they made a year earilier
IF BFL ever deliver anything that is even 50% of what they have just started marketing I'll be EXTREMELY surprised
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Ponzi scheme for sure
It's starting to resemble a Ponzi scheme. They need new orders to get the old ones out. I'm hoping I'm not a the tail end of the Ponzi scheme. Man this sucks. And today I found out from the BFL chat room that BFL is in fact managed by convicted criminals. I didn't verify this which is why I left it out of the OP but nobody objected when this was brought up so it may be true. One this is for sure, BFL was the top dog in this sector for the last 2 years and they were behaving arrogant, rude and cruel at times and their customers are not their priority - shipping bulk chips next month proves that if their attitude towards disgruntled customers and jacking their prices by nearly double didn't. They were behaving like a monopoly much too soon and maybe now they see with all the new competition that future profits won't be as juicy as they have been and not to mention everyone hates them. Given Their shitty attitude and reputation towards their customers anything is possible with these guys. I'm surprised, Vlad, that you weren't aware of Sonny Vleisides background. |
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