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841  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 18, 2014, 09:45:41 PM
7 shifts now and NO Blocks
this is totally mad
i go just under 4 Th/s with nothing to show for the day


BTC Guild is approximately 1/6th - 1/5th the network.  The entire network has periods with > 1 hour between blocks.  A 6 hour block is not unexpected for 1/6th - 1/5th the network.  It happens.  As a matter of fact, it happens probably more than once a month (both for the whole network and for the pool).
842  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 18, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
Guys, don't just sit here. Go find some blocks :p

Smiley

I have an abacus at work even now.

#FingerHash


http://www.coinion.com/2013/12/11/child-labor-bitcoin-mines-exposed/
843  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 18, 2014, 08:24:24 PM
It did seem we were on the upswing again.
Still at least we are doing better than other pools.

Rally, almost 5 hrs without a block... and here I thought our luck was picking up yesterday.

3 month luck is finally under 100% Sad.  First time it's ever happened.  I did add a 6-month luck figure now that we actually have 6 months of luck history stored.  Then again, expectation states it should be above and below 100% in roughly even amounts of time (averaging out to neutral over an infinite length of time).  I suppose the bright side is we had our good luck when difficulty was lower, which puts long term earnings above expectation by a decent margin for users that were around during those times.
844  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multipool Done Right on: March 18, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
I had a feeling this would happen with the 1.6 dogecoin change.  It looks like ~80-90% of our time is now spent on DOGE, hopping to other coins only briefly when they either have a good block reward (MEOW/LOT), or have a difficulty drop for the KGW coins, or DOGE has a diff spike and we move off it til the next drop.

The profitability of multipools is really starting to suffer as more hash rate is being directed at them.  I'm looking to add 3 coins this week, but after that there will be a pause in new coins while I re-evaluate the pool profitability more.  I'm seeing a pretty grim future for profit switching pools given how fast coins are tanking in profitability.
845  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 18, 2014, 05:45:32 PM
At least Comcast is better than Cox...I miss my Comcast now Sad.
846  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 17, 2014, 06:08:36 PM
Not responding to any specific question, but rather the general questions that hit while I was asleep.


Balance Updates - Your balance on PPLNS updates as soon as a block is found.  You do not have to wait until a shift is closed for the payment to hit your balance.

Current Shift - The current shift does *not* receive payments from blocks.  If this was done, people would have a slight indication for pool hopping.  People would be able to jump into the pool if the current shift found a block or two within the first few minutes.  It wouldn't be a guaranteed profit like proportional hopping, but it would be fairly likely to produce above average results.

24-Hour Earnings - Because the open shifts are not done receiving payments, they are not included in the 24-hour earnings.  Instead, the pool uses the last 24-hours of closed shifts to calculate 24-hour earnings.  This means there is a 9-10 hour lag on 24-hour earnings.
847  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Join Slush's Pool! on: March 17, 2014, 04:45:26 AM
I have nothing against the pool. Their score based system just hasn't work well for me.

Another vague comment.  Are you saying that their system does not pay you your fair share?  If other pools are not score based, what are they based on?

Most pools are based off proven unhoppable methods (DGM, PPLNS, PPS, CPPSRB).  Slush's payment method is hoppable, though not as reliably as the old proportional methods.  I don't think that's what most the responses refer to though.  I think the biggest thing people have against slush's pool these days is the complete absence of Slush, especially since the little quirk in his round calculations still screws up once in a while.  It supposedly always gets fixed, but that bug has been lingering around for about a year if his thread comments are any indication.
848  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: ghash.io is becoming SHOCKINGLY AGGRESSIVE NOW, closing in 45% on: March 17, 2014, 03:26:06 AM
I'm giving them a chance because if I am going to come close to ROI on my ants I need as little variance as possible. Ive been on the guild for a year using PPLNS, paying high fees and the moment I go to us PPS they drop it. I'm sure if a lucky streak returns they will re add it since it is profitable for the Admin and Profits are what matters ... business business business

Variance swings both ways, and ends up dead even in the long run.  That's the only reason PPS was kept as long as it was on BTC Guild, when it's been under consideration for removal for the better part of a year.
849  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 17, 2014, 12:37:34 AM
I'm done with this crappy pool and its "consistently" bad luck. Had always pointed a few ants here and previously PPS used to compensate for the "7 years of bad luck" spells ... Ghash.io is now my goto pool with eligius as a backup. Next difficulty will be up another 15-20% and can't for few more months for this to turn around.

Approximate Pool Luck* (24H / 3D / 1W / 2W / 1M): 62.048% / 73.438% / 81.512% / 91.078% / 96.360%

Good luck to you all

Yes, how dare this pool have bad luck for once.  "Consistently" bad luck my ass.  The pool was positive for almost 7 months straight.  This is THE FIRST MONTH the 1-month period has had bad luck since it was tracked beyond difficulty boundaries back in September.
850  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [AUTO SWITCH] ScryptGuild (BTC Guild) Beta - Multipool Done Right on: March 16, 2014, 07:29:23 PM
I'm getting occasional server offline messages from CloudFlare when connecting to the web site on HTTPS.  Usually happens when attempting to log in.  Error comes up when trying to retrieve the index page.  I can manually go to http://www.scryptguild.com/index.php and it will load.  Then I can switch back to HTTPS.  I just hope my login credentials haven't just been broadcast on unencrypted packets.

Cloudflare has been causing some major issues for the website recently, especially for users (and myself) who are connecting from the west coast (US).  I'm likely dropping their service soon.  ScryptGuild had a few delays this week with some changes at BTC Guild that required the majority of my attention.

I know Lottocoin has had a delay in payouts recently, due to a user with a very high balance enabling auto payouts instead of auto convert, but the pool didn't have enough in the local lottocoind to make the payout.  This should be resolved in a few hours.  I'm going through the coins today and adjusting how much it holds locally and how much it pre-loads onto the exchange for conversion.
851  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 16, 2014, 07:24:56 PM
O.k. so since I am now on the PPLNS method, do I need to set up a Namecoin wallet ASAP? I have very little hash rate, so it could be a long while before I would even be able to sniff at planning a payout. and since ScryptGuild has brought auto-convert to BTC, will you consider making that possible between Namecoin on BTCGuild?

You don't need a Namecoin wallet to earn them, they automatically accrue regardless.  You can set the wallet to an exchange (generally BTC-e) and trade them for BTC there.  I'm not planning on any auto conversion of NMC on BTC Guild.

I hve been mining btcguild for over a month with 230gh... I had no idea there is any namecoin reward or am I reading this wrong?


As stated above, NMC is hidden by default since the majority of users don't care about it.  You can enable it on the Settings page.  It doesn't include the detail that BTC does, basically just a balance counter and a CSV export in the settings page for your payouts.

Unlike a few other pools, BTC Guild doesn't keep the NMC if you had it hidden or didn't include a wallet.  Your account, as long as it was on PPLNS, was generating NMC the entire time and has accumulated a balance.
852  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 16, 2014, 06:18:30 PM
A lot of what's hurting is too is the act that ghash has around 9Ph.

Other pools being faster doesn't impact luck in any way except for orphans (smaller pools have a slightly higher chance of having blocks orphaned because larger pools are more likely to build off their own blocks in a race).  Since BTC Guild still pays for orphaned blocks, that doesn't actually matter for us.


Brandon, please convice me of this becuase I'm not convinced of this point yet.  I've mined PPS and PPLNS for months now and I've not earned anywhere near the money using PPLNS.  It's very frustrating - almost 40 to 50% less.  So how exactly will I earn more when I'm just not seeing the payouts.  PPLNS is like: most days it's below 100% and every now and then it spikes above.   Angry

For PPS to out-pay PPLNS, the luck has to be ~95% or less.  Up until this last 2 weeks, the 3-month luck was over 102%.  As a matter of fact, until this last 2 week period, BTC Guild's 3 month luck for PPLNS was paying better than what you'd get under a 0% fee PPS.
853  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 16, 2014, 02:49:14 AM
Umm, just to ask, when I was using the PPS method, a portion of my hash work was probably still contributing to the pool generating namecoin, even though I was getting paid a flat rate per share in BTC?

Correct, sort of.  Merged mining doesn't siphon off part of your hash rate for NMC.  Merged mining has *0* impact on how much hash you're pushing towards Bitcoin.  The pool was always merged mining whether you were PPLNS or PPS.
854  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 16, 2014, 02:21:22 AM
   Well, with this shift at eliminating PPS, maybe when you update the support page at the website you could put in a no-nonsense guide to "Best Practices" with your wallet and a couple more direct links to say the exchanges like BTC-e or Coinbase. I have already come across poser sites that try to steal from people by emulating what they thought was the right site they were looking for. ie. the fake Bitmain site taking fake orders for real money from people who thought they were buying Antminer S1's. Bitmain is still dealing with irrate customers that placed orders with the thieves.

I'm planning a few overhauls to the support sections in the next few days, to provide slightly more information about aspects other than strictly mining.  I did update the How Am I Paid section to reflect the removal of PPS, and added a section that explains the "charge up / wind down" phases of PPLNS to help people understand why they don't make much per block when they first start, and why they keep getting paid after turning off.
855  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 16, 2014, 01:39:03 AM
O.k. so since I am now on the PPLNS method, do I need to set up a Namecoin wallet ASAP? I have very little hash rate, so it could be a long while before I would even be able to sniff at planning a payout. and since ScryptGuild has brought auto-convert to BTC, will you consider making that possible between Namecoin on BTCGuild?

You don't need a Namecoin wallet to earn them, they automatically accrue regardless.  You can set the wallet to an exchange (generally BTC-e) and trade them for BTC there.  I'm not planning on any auto conversion of NMC on BTC Guild.
856  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 15, 2014, 11:39:15 PM
Eleuthria,

I have never run PPS so it's a non event for me but it seems insane to me to have 6,200THs and have to lose sleep over getting wiped out because of bad luck.

The luck is what it is.  I have been mining since late last year and have never solved a block so bad luck is a relative term.  If I was solo my earnings would be 0.00BTC

Smiley



That's the thing that's hard for some people to realize.  It's one of the reasons when BTC Guild became a 51% threat I tried to get people off PPS by increasing the fees.  The larger the pool, the faster PPS makes you lose money, and the faster it gains money.  It doesn't decrease the highs and the lows, it simply makes them alternate more frequently.  It becomes a roller coaster, and the amount of stress it puts on you is immeasurable.  BTC Guild, when it was pure PPS, had days where I lost over 500 BTC.  It had days where I gained over 500 BTC.  In the long run, it made a profit, but the human mind is designed to place more emphasis on negative events/emotions than positive ones, and every time it was on a losing streak it was nothing but stress over "something must be wrong" even though nothing had changed internally between the two spikes of good/bad luck.

Keeping PPS is something I've done because it made sense.  It was more profitable for me.  But these days, I'm not concerned with maximum profit but instead trying to minimize risk.  My personal goal with BTC Guild has changed in the light of the non-stop "hacks" that major Bitcoin businesses claim to have happened, putting them out of business and screwing over their users.  While I personally believe most of those "hacks" were not hacks at all, it doesn't change the fact that the people who paid for it in the end were users, not the owners, who made off with lots of profit over the years.  In light of those events, my goals with BTC Guild have changed to make sure that if/when BTC Guild is closed down, it's on my own terms, and it's on a high note.  It seems like no Bitcoin business to date has actually shut down without their users suffering some kind of loss.

PPS is in stark contrast to that goal, since it includes a risk of bankruptcy, and increased risk of loss if the pool's hot wallet ever to be compromised.
857  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 15, 2014, 11:21:11 PM
  It seems like there may need to be a way to discourage people with the highest hash rates from jumping back and forth in payment methods and ride out the varience/luck. Maybe limiting the per worker hash rate on PPS to something equal to a pair of S1's or blades, if you have a faster rate then you have to open another worker . If they have to divide up the power of the equipment versus leaving it alone, you may have fewer people shifting back and forth if only because its a pain in the arse to switch their local set up. I only have a couple of Ant U2's and PPS is where I stay...steady consistancy...even if it means giving up a little in  the end.  OR  a slight(very slight) break in fees to those who declare a desired payment method   PPS or PPLNS and stick with it , a sort of reward based on User account controls and not the worker setting. This might make it easier to predict how large the wallet needs to be if only from knowing how consistant your base overall hashrate may stay on PPS or PPLNS.

People were not jumping back and forth.  Large miners understood the concept of variance, it was only small time miners jumping between them (and doing so was basically gambling, there never was any way to jump between them to guarantee higher payout).  The hot wallet problem with PPS is the fact that during sustained bad luck, the hot wallet is not refilling itself with new blocks but people are continuing to earn money and require coins in the hot wallet to be paid, meaning the hot wallet had to be kept MUCH higher than under a non-PPS method where block solves are the only way to have your balance increase.
858  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 15, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Are you planning to remove PPS entirely, or just he way it reports info on the top web banner?

I'm very likely to be removing PPS entirely, very soon at this rate.  I am NOT willing to continue LOSING money while running the 2nd largest Bitcoin pool.  In the long run PPS makes me a lot more money, but there are significant risks in it, specifically it requires a much larger hot wallet because bad luck doesn't mean people stop generating income, and the risk of bankruptcy.  The only time the pool has ever had significant losses (full hot wallet drained) was due to PPS and a change in behavior with Bitcoin 0.8, where I lost over 1200 BTC, all of which ended up coming out of my own pocket.  People may bitch about bad luck affecting their earnings, but it could be a lot worse:  I am actively *losing* money for the last 10 days from bad luck, and have to keep the hot wallet significantly larger than it would otherwise be by continuing to have PPS on the pool.
859  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 15, 2014, 07:43:03 PM
My 24 hour stats are stuck at .68 btc
Any one else having this stat frozen? It has been like this for 2 days.

BTW I do not mine .68 per day. more like .075. Payouts are normal and I am getting the correct amount. It is just the stat that appears incorrect and frozen.

If you switched to/from PPS, your 24-hour earnings will be broken for a while.  PPS is slowly being altered out on parts of the backend to make it easier to remove later on.
860  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [6000 TH] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+Orphan+NMC, Stratum, Private Servers on: March 15, 2014, 04:55:03 AM
Block solves are really bad right now, so not so much in the pplns payout...

I think it will be "fix" soon

There is no "fix".  It's pure random chance.
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